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Maynman:
Which research have you done on your religion to know if it has been refuted?

You that have done research, show your proof here that Jesus did not rise from the dead.

Maynman:
Who told you they wrote any of the books?
It has been refuted so many times.

Refuting a claim without proof is nothing. Show me the grave of Jesus and I will believe you.

But his tomb is empty. Hallelujah, Jesus lives.

jaephoenix:
Again , those Gospels were written hundreds of years after they purportedly happened
Also I'm a living witness to the power and glory of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I can cure sickness with the knowledge bestowed on me by His Hallowed Noodly Limbs.

You are making a joke out of this. But I know that you know the truth that Jesus is Saviour and Lord.

You will bow before him one day. You and your spaghetti will not escape Jesus.

Thursday, April 27th.

Exposition on the Book of Revelation - 27 (The Seventh Trumpet and The Two Witnesses).

"But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets." (Revelation 10:7).

The blowing of the trumpet by the seventh angel will complete the mystery of God according to the opening text. What is the mystery of God in this context? It is the hidden secret he had for the Gentiles which is now revealed to the Prophet and the Apostles.

According to Apostle Paul; "How that by revelation he made known unto me THE MYSTERY; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the MYSTERY OF CHRIST) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit. THAT THE GENTILES SHOULD BE FELLOWHEIRS, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel."(Ephesians 3:3-6).

Before the revelation of this mystery, the Jews were seen as the only people chosen by God. In addition, the Gentiles were seen as an inferior race of people. But God had a plan to make the Gentiles part of his family with equal status. And this is accomplished in Christ.

Hence, Apostle Paul wrote; "For through him we both (Jews and Gentiles) have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God." (Ephesians 2:18-19).

After the blast of the seventh trumpet, this mystery will be completely executed. And all other nations which the kingdom of darkness had control over will become the kingdom of our Lord, and of his Christ - Revelation 11:15.

But before the seventh angel sound the last trumpet of vengeance, two witnesses will be empowered to prophecy for one thousand, two hundred and sixty days which roughly translates to three and a half years. The prophetic ministry of these two witnesses resumes God's dealings with the children of Israel. The mission of these two witnesses and who they are likely to be will be the focus of our study tomorrow.

Prayer: My Father in heaven, hollowed by your name. You are the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. You work out everything according to the good counsel of your will. I thank you for the word that I hold on to as the anchor of my soul even in trying moments. I also thank you for the gift of your Spirit who comforts us and abides with us until the redemption of your purchased possession in the mighty name of Jesus. Amen.

Further Study: Ephesians 1:9, 2:11-15, Romans 16:25.

Thursday, April 27th.

Exposition on the Book of Revelation - 27 (The Seventh Trumpet and The Two Witnesses).

"But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets." (Revelation 10:7).

The blowing of the trumpet by the seventh angel will complete the mystery of God according to the opening text. What is the mystery of God in this context? It is the hidden secret he had for the Gentiles which is now revealed to the Prophet and the Apostles.

According to Apostle Paul; "How that by revelation he made known unto me THE MYSTERY; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the MYSTERY OF CHRIST) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit. THAT THE GENTILES SHOULD BE FELLOWHEIRS, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel."(Ephesians 3:3-6).

Before the revelation of this mystery, the Jews were seen as the only people chosen by God. In addition, the Gentiles were seen as an inferior race of people. But God had a plan to make the Gentiles part of his family with equal status. And this is accomplished in Christ.

Hence, Apostle Paul wrote; "For through him we both (Jews and Gentiles) have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God." (Ephesians 2:18-19).

After the blast of the seventh trumpet, this mystery will be completely executed. And all other nations which the kingdom of darkness had control over will become the kingdom of our Lord, and of his Christ - Revelation 11:15.

But before the seventh angel sound the last trumpet of vengeance, two witnesses will be empowered to prophecy for one thousand, two hundred and sixty days which roughly translates to three and a half years. The prophetic ministry of these two witnesses resumes God's dealings with the children of Israel. The mission of these two witnesses and who they are likely to be will be the focus of our study tomorrow.

Prayer: My Father in heaven, hollowed by your name. You are the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. You work out everything according to the good counsel of your will. I thank you for the word that I hold on to as the anchor of my soul even in trying moments. I also thank you for the gift of your Spirit who comforts us and abides with us until the redemption of your purchased possession in the mighty name of Jesus. Amen.

Further Study: Ephesians 1:9, 2:11-15, Romans 16:25.

aboyaji:
yes accomodation is very expressive there.

Self con is called a studio and you could get for 35k and above in the rural area. Not basically village. But around the borders of rural and urban areas.

OK thanks

aboyaji:
One bedroom apartment in the rural area can go as high as 40k.

60k and above in the city.

I mean a self contained. It seems accommodation is more expensive there. But I think the minimum wage should be far better.

aboyaji:
Yes, everywhere.

I am so sorry to bother you with too many questions. Are the rate the same for both the urban and rural areas? If not, what is the difference?

There is nothing we will not hear in the last days. Recent weird news includes;

1. Mother getting married to her own son publicly.

2. Father sleeping with her daughter that she is too beautiful to permit any other man from touching her.

3. Mother publicly confessing to sleeping with her son. And she said her promised to be there for her whenever she needs sex.

4. A woman introducing her new boyfriend to her husband and an old boyfriend. All in the same meeting.

5. Woman marrying four husbands at the same time.

etc.

This is the last days. This age will soon come to an end. Give your life to Christ and serve him with reverence and godly fear.

jaephoenix:
How do you know this?

It's an undeniable historical facts that no one has been able to refute.

Matthew, Mark Luke and John are the first documented evidence.

The Book of Act is another evidence.

The experience of Paul as written in the book of Acts and his letters are evidences.

If their written records are not true, someone should be able to refute them with evidences but no one has ever done that.

Lastly, I am a living evidence that Jesus is alive because he lives in me. And he has filled me with his Holy Spirit.

jaephoenix:
Same way a muslim or buddhist would say the words of their god won't fall to the ground but have the same word can't stand up to scrutiny

They are not the same. Jesus conquered death. He is alive. And that makes the difference.

aboyaji:
Hotel bills depends on the standard. 5k and above.

Self con is still dependent on standard. Rural area 30 to 35k per month.

French is their native language. You can find a few people who speak English, mostly foreigners like Nigerians and Co.

What about the urban areas? Do they accept monthly payments for the house rent?

Gerrard59:
C'mon! Check the top economies in sub-Saharan Africa, ALL are Anglophone countries. Francophone countries are terribly poor. It is the reason many people outside Africa don't learn French (except those aiming at Canada Express Entry). The language is economically useless as the majority of its speakers are in Africa. Due to Nigeria's population, she has plenty poor people. But when you factor in Burundi, Niger Republic, Mali, Burkina Faso, Guinea Conakry, DRC, Cameroon, Congo Republic, Chad, Mauritania etc. Damn! Terribly poor!

As for UK visa, even a donkey in Nigeria can be issued the visa, Absolutely anyone in Nigeria can be issued a UK visa.

Nigeria population is not an excuse for her poverty. Is Nigeria bigger than US?

Make your objective comments on the experience of the Nigeria in Ivory Coast.

If this is what you describe as poverty, I think I like that poverty.

Gerrard59:
That is not true anywhere in the world. Being colonised by the French is synonymous with poverty. Check Asia, Africa and South America - Anglophone countries prosper. The English language is the greatest gift offered by the British to all her colonies.

I am talking about standard of living, you are talking about English language. Will language put food on your table?

Wednesday, April 26th.

Exposition on the Book of Revelation - 26 (The Seven Trumpet Judgement - Continued).

"And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates." (Revelation 9:13-14).

After the five months torment of the special breed locust is over, the sixth angel will sound its trumpet. And the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates will be loosed as contained in the opening text.
These four angles which will be loosed are assigned to slay one third of men in the space of one year, one month and one hour - Revelation 9:15. But they will achieve this feat with an army of two hundred million - Revelation 9:16. Details of the identity of these armies were not given.

In addition John saw the weapons that will be used by these armies. The description fits modern day armored tanks. He described them as horses from which issued fire and smoke and brimstone out of their mouths.

It should be noted that the sixth trumpet judgment alone will take over a year to execute. And these events are part of what will happen after the rapture of the church. At this point the anti Christ who will rule for seven years is not yet revealed. So, it's impossible for anyone to correctly predict the year Jesus Christ will come back to establish his millennium reign on earth.

John concluded the narration of the sixth trumpet judgment thus; "And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet REPENTED NOT of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: NEITHER REPENTED THEY of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts."(Revelation 9:20-21).

Notice the phrase, 'repented not'. There will be no repentance after rapture. Now is the time of salvation. Every believer should wake up and preach the gospel to lost souls. Believers who are not involved in soul winning activities may not make heaven. So, don't think all these punishment are for sinners alone. God's wrath will also fall upon the children of disobedience.

Prayer: Dear Father, I thank you for waking me up this morning to see another glorious day. It's not because of my righteousness but because of your mercy. I ask for mercy in my shortcomings especially in the aspect of soul winning. I ask for fresh grace and boldness to reach out to lost souls in the mighty name of Jesus. Amen.

Further Study: Psalms 9:7-8, Colossians 3:6.

Wednesday, April 26th.

Exposition on the Book of Revelation - 26 (The Seven Trumpet Judgement - Continued).

"And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates." (Revelation 9:13-14).

After the five months torment of the special breed locust is over, the sixth angel will sound its trumpet. And the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates will be loosed as contained in the opening text.
These four angles which will be loosed are assigned to slay one third of men in the space of one year, one month and one hour - Revelation 9:15. But they will achieve this feat with an army of two hundred million - Revelation 9:16. Details of the identity of these armies were not given.

In addition John saw the weapons that will be used by these armies. The description fits modern day armored tanks. He described them as horses from which issued fire and smoke and brimstone out of their mouths.

It should be noted that the sixth trumpet judgment alone will take over a year to execute. And these events are part of what will happen after the rapture of the church. At this point the anti Christ who will rule for seven years is not yet revealed. So, it's impossible for anyone to correctly predict the year Jesus Christ will come back to establish his millennium reign on earth.

John concluded the narration of the sixth trumpet judgment thus; "And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet REPENTED NOT of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: NEITHER REPENTED THEY of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts."(Revelation 9:20-21).

Notice the phrase, 'repented not'. There will be no repentance after rapture. Now is the time of salvation. Every believer should wake up and preach the gospel to lost souls. Believers who are not involved in soul winning activities may not make heaven. So, don't think all these punishment are for sinners alone. God's wrath will also fall upon the children of disobedience.

Prayer: Dear Father, I thank you for waking me up this morning to see another glorious day. It's not because of my righteousness but because of your mercy. I ask for mercy in my shortcomings especially in the aspect of soul winning. I ask for fresh grace and boldness to reach out to lost souls in the mighty name of Jesus. Amen.

Further Study: Psalms 9:7-8, Colossians 3:6.

tensazangetsu20:
Comparing Nigeria to ivory coast is an insult in itself. Ghana is 100 times better than ivory coast. Ivory coast has been designated over and over again as a failed state. Cameroon, Gabon, Burundi, Niger, Chad, Mali, Burkina Faso, guinea and more are all french countries which are poverty stricken shitholes. FYI UK visa is the easiest for a Nigerian to get at the moment. We didn't even need a visa to the UK till your darling daddy buhari tried to kidnap umaru dikko and that ended the relationship we had with the UK with regards to visa free travel.

Paper rating and true life experience are not the same thing.

You read the account of a Nigerian who was in Ivory Coast for 7 months.

1. Good roads. No roads with sands or potholes.

2. Gas is far cheaper.

3. Security is almost 100 % such that children can play till 10 pm on the streets.

4. A bar attendant can earn up to 20,000 CFA in a week which is equivalent to 20,000 naira in a week. In Nigeria, if they pay for 15k in a month, thank God.

5. He couldn't finish Banana he bought for about a 100 naira.

6. Light is more regular.

7. Police are more friendly.

8. Stolen items recovered without your input and given back to you without demanding any payment.

Please tell me where Nigeria is better than Ivory Coast outside paper rating.

seguno2:
If the French are not so self centred and exploitative of their fellow humans who fail to work sacrificially as they do, they why do francophone countries have CFA tied to the French/European currency?

The colonial masters left us 63 years ago. What will you do to a 63 years old man who blames everything about his current situation, on the circumstances of his birth? Pat him on the back, or slap him on the face to reset his brain

It would have been better if we are using UK pounds as our currency.

tensazangetsu20:
LoL. All french countries are miserably poor. The Brits and the Spaniards were the best colonisers. We just refused to have brain in Nigeria and Africa but even at that the best countries In Africa are those colonised by the UK. Countries colonised by the UK in other continents are all doing very well. Hong Kong, Singapore, Canada, Australia, US. Spanish colonised countries are also doing well too and Spain allows them to claim Spanish citizenship after living in Spain for two years provided they are from a former colony but poverty and France are synonymous to each other.

Give examples of English colonized countries in Africa that are better than their French counterparts.

A citizen of Ivory Coast can easily get visa and travel to France but a Nigerian will not get vise easily and go to UK.

LadyNaija:
Jesus while answering a question from Nicodemus recorded in John 3:3 said: “I tell you the truth, no one can see the Kingdom of God unless he is born again”.

He went on to explain in John 3:5-7, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the Kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the spirit gives birth to spirit”.



Baptism gives us supernatural life. We are taught that it removes original sin; we are born with souls which are supernaturally dead. Original sin “sensu stricto”, is not a “blot” upon the soul but absence of something. Theologians tell us that it is like darkness where there should have been light. When one gets baptism, the spiritual vacuum in his/her soul (which we call original sin) disappears and God’s presence takes over.

Baptism does not take away only the original sin, but as in the case of an adult, it takes away all sins committed up to that moment of baptism and the person has a new beginning – born again, adopted child of God and heir to the kingdom of God.

1Peter 3: 20-21 compared the effect of baptism with the flood during Noah’s time when eight people were saved through water. He said, “….In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water and this water symbolises baptism that now saves you also ...” He explained that you are saved through water, not because of water’s physical action but through the power of Jesus Christ’s resurrection, through baptism’s spiritual effects.

This article is written in response to the general view that born again Christians are saved and are destined for heaven whereas other baptised Christians are doomed. In order to understand this new birth, let us first examine the Baptism of Our Lord by John the Baptist at river Jordan (cf. Matt.3:13-17; Mark 1:9-11; Luke 3:21-22; John 1:30-34).

What were the principal events on that occasion? First of all, all the Three Persons were present: Voice from heaven was God the Father, the dove was the Holy Spirit and Jesus was physically present. The events: 1. Jesus goes into water and is baptised 2. Heavens opens and the Holy Spirit descends upon him in the form of a dove and 3. Voice of God the Father speaks from heaven saying “This is my beloved Son.

This scene gives a graphic depiction of what happens at our baptism: a) We are baptised with water symbolising our dying with Christ (Rom.6:3) and our rising with Christ to the newness of life (Rom.6:4-5) b) we receive the gift of sanctifying grace and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (1Cor.12:13; Gal.3:27) and c) we are adopted as God’s sons (children) (Rom8:15-17).

Often people miss to understand the fact that baptism gives us new life/new birth because they have an impoverished view of the grace God gives through baptism, which they think is a mere symbol. Baptism is much more than a mere symbol. In the Acts 2:38, Peter said, “Repent, and be baptised every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit”.

When Paul (Saul) was converted, he was told, “And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptised, and wash away your sins, calling on his name” (Acts 22:16).

When a Catholic says that he is born again, he refers to the transformation that God’s grace accomplish in him during baptism. The Greek translation of “born of water and spirit” literally means one birth of water-and spirit; if it meant born of water and of the spirit it would have implied two different births – one of water and one of spirit which born again Christians would like us to believe. For an Evangelical or “born again” Christian to be saved, he refers to an occasion or a crusade where perhaps after listening to some preaching or sermon, his life is transformed.



Usually the preacher will announce, “If you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and believe he died for your sins, you will be born again”. So the Christians make a decision for Christ then the preacher calls them forward to be led in “the sinner’s prayer”. Then the preacher announces to them after the sinner’s prayer that they have been saved.

Once this is done, a new batch of “born again” Christians is formed who portray themselves as destined to heaven. This is not in the Bible. Even Paul in his letter to Timothy (1Tim 1:15), said “Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, - of whom I am the worst….” He told Timothy “fight the good fight, holding on to faith and a good conscience” (1Tim 1:18-19).


This shows that no matter how much grace one has received from God, he can never get to beyond the place where he is reckoned a sinner.

Some Evangelicals/born again say that water in John 3:5 was referring to amniotic fluid present at child birth. This is a shocking revelation because Jesus could have said, “You must be born of amniotic fluid and the spirit”.

This would imply baptism is an “internal” baptism but the Bible shows it is external: In Acts 2:38 people are told to take action, “Be baptised….in the name of Jesus Christ”. At Paul’s conversion at Damascus, “….He got up and was baptised and after taking some food, he regained his strength.” This was water baptism.

In most of Paul’s writings, he was reminding people of their water baptism and never implied anything about some sort of “invisible spiritual baptism” which has no biblical basis whatsoever.

So who are the born again Christians the ‘Bible way’? Born again are all those Christians who have been water baptised in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Matt 28:19).

This is an entry point to salvation but the real salvation comes later when they “obey everything I have commanded you” (Matt. 28: 20).

http://www.naijanewspapers.com.ng/2018/03/is-all-baptised-christians-are-born.html

Water baptism has nothing to do with being born again.

Water used for baptism was a symbol of the Holy Spirit.

John used water as a symbol for the real baptism which is to be done by Jesus.

John baptized with water but Jesus with the Holy Spirit.

If water baptism could save, then John the Baptist would have gotten people saved even before Jesus came.

So, if you have been baptized in water and you have not confessed Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, you are not born again. When you die, you will go straight to hell.

aboyaji:
I'll go first...

1. Cooking gas: Cooking gas is very cheap in ivory Coast. It costs an average of #330/kg of gas. So refilling a 12.5 kg cylinder should cost you #4125 at most.

2. Kerosene: kerosene costs relatively about #650/ litre in the fuel station, where the black market sells for #800/ litre.

Note : This country's oil production is very poor o. They're not even anywhere close to Naija's production.

3. Organisation: Ivory coast is very well organized that you can barely run into unorganized environment. Many areas are safely guarded by their local police officers stationed almost everywhere. You can as well make friends with the officers easily without any form of threat from them. They're very welcoming.

4. Very low violent place: People can move around as late as 10pm till dawn without the fear of harassment or violence. In fact, children play in the tarred road as late as 10pm. They have already come to terms about how safe they are in the country. People can stay up late wherever they went to without rushing back home due to nightfall. Night movements was my best !

5. Good Road network: I spent close to 7 months in ivory Coast and could barely see a road untarred. Almost every road I used was smoothly done and stretched to various cities and States. The only place my leg touched Sandy soil was in my compound because the landlord was still constructing more buildings in the site. So our compound was sandy at the moment.
Tarred road stretched into all compounds in ivory Coast. It's not the responsibility of the government to do your compound, it's yours. I was marvelled by such development though I spent most of my time in the rural area.

6. Security: Police is your friend is the Moto in ivory Coast. Really nice people. I guess I've said it somewhere before now.

6a. Theft is ALMOST uncertainty. The prepaid meter of every individual house is stationed outside the main building without burglary or iron shield. Anybody can touch it. It wasn't even stationed very high from the ground level. It went only as far as 3-4 feets high. A child of 10 can touch it too.

Our apartment is in a 2 storey building comprising of almost 33 units of one bedroom apartments. The building was built like a shopping complex. All of the prepaid meters used in this apartments are stationed outside where everyone can see and feel it. But no one steals it, likewise every other houses there.

6b. Once there was a particular theft in my ivorian friend's shop that I know of. There were 5 boys who was involved in burgling his computer and phone shop one night. But before 5am, the boys were all caught with the complete stolen items retrieved. Funny enough, my friend didn't know. He was woken up by the police to come to his shop and see the guys. And he didn't have to SETTLE THE POLICE FOR DOING THEIR JOBS .

7. There is constant electricity in that country. CONSTANT.
I only observed a few nightouts and those periods were understandable. They all know when the lights would go off in the week or month and have come to terms with it. Light doesn't go off intermittently as obtained in Nigeria. And throughout my stay there, I didn't pay for light bill or water. My caretaker didn't mention it to me too. I was surprised. Steady light

8. Economy: Their economy is very good. It's almost equaling to the Naira at the time I left. So, if you hear 500 CFA there, it's almost equivalent to 500 Naira. So don't do too much calculation.

8a. Minimum wage is very much respected and applied. A POS attendant over their is living a good standard life. A bar attendant earns about 20,000 CFA weekly... WEEKLY o. I mean a local bar attendant. How much more a corporate hotel or bar attendant or waiter.

8b. The money you earn can fetch you a standard living. Their money is easily made and spent too.

9. FOOD : Our area of specialty.

Food is over cheap compared to what's obtained in Naija. You can see someone who earns little but could afford chicken or any frozen food. Food is not part of their problems for now. Banana can go as low as 50 CFA or 50 Naira and it is not the small quantity we're talking about.

A bunch of Bananas that you can get from a roadside vendor in Naija for 800 could be gotten for 150 CFA. So you see it. Once I bought 2 Bunches of banana for 50 each, I couldn't finish them for 3 days.

9a. So sorry, vegetables can be scarcely found there my dear. I made most of my soup without vegetables. That part I didn't enjoy

That's for now. Anybody can add.

I think countries colonized by the French are far better than those colonized by Britain.

The British people are so self centered. They are also exploitative.

They handed over the country to corrupt politicians who are still controlling things.

We will get there when we have the right leaders at the top.

aboyaji:
Gambia is a very good place to be. If you have the cash.

Going to ivory Coast should take up to 80k. But you must factor hotel bills and normal itinerary too

How much is hotel bill per day?

And how much is a self contained apartment?

Do they speak English?

jaephoenix:
Is that all u have to offer? Lol

It's the plan truth. The words of our Lord Jesus can't fall to the ground. He is Lord.

jaephoenix:
Really? You are correcting Paul? Lol. This is really desperate from you

Apostle Paul in human and liable to make grammatical errors.

jaephoenix:
1. First things first, Moses is a fictional character and never existed, and the books of pentateuch were dated hundreds of years after he supposedly lived.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Genesis#:~:text=Tradition%20credits%20Moses%20as%20the,is%20supposed%20to%20have%20lived.
2. Yes, he appeared in his brightness a few times. But I can tell you that the radiance of his glory at those moments were not in its fullest
The bible never spoke about the level of brilliance anywhere there. So how did you, thousands of years after the bible was written, figure it out? Did you use a can a light meter for it, bro?

3. No, there is no evidence those events happened in the creation either historically, archeologically or scientifically. If you dare me again, I'll open another thread and drop all the evidence

Waste of time talking to you. You have made up your mind on what to believe. Please, don't cry too much when you get to hell. It's your chosen destiny.

tayooluwole:
I don't know if any body here is in my shoe... Since I was born I have attended many crusade and church services. During any of the services, any time the instruction is prescribed that all who wish to denounce sin and become born again should come out to receive prayers, me no they carry last to follow go out to be born again at that moment. The issue is, my being born again at any point in time doesn't take much time before it expires. Just at the moment I decide to be born again the holyholy will be there but by the time the holyholy run into 2 to 3 days it begins to desolve till I go back to the status quo. The logic behind this is that, if Jesus is to come withing the shortest time that follows the moment of my being born again that means heaven sure me die but if na after it has expired OYO is my case but Jesus will surely consider my seriousness by looking at the number of times I have come to him...

Pls how can someone be permanently born again without much sin ?

Note: he get some things wey Christians go count as sin and wey if ah no do na hunger go kill me...

Christian brothers over to you...

You got the concept of born again wrong. Being born again does not mean that you will not make a mistake or commit sin. But it does mean that you will not make a practice out of sin.

If you feel guilt when you do something wrong, then you are born again.

Those who are not born again hardly feel guilty of their sins.

So, what you need to learn is how to put your flesh under control.

There is still sin in your flesh because it's still the same old flesh. Your flesh was not saved when you got born again. It still loves to sin.

But your spirit is born again. You are a new man on the inside.

But there is a battle between the spirit and the flesh.

So, how do you put your flesh under?

1. Through prayer especially backed up with fasting from time to time.

2. By dwelling on the right thoughts. Most of the sin we commit begins in our mind. If you can cut the suggestion off before it takes deep root in you, it's possible not to yield to the temptation. Philippians 4:8 tells us what to dwell our thoughts on.

3. Keep the right company of friends. 1st Corinthians 15:33 says that evil communicate corrupt good manners. Friends can lure you to do the wrong things.

4. Be in fellowship all the time. You receive grace to overcome sin each time you are in God's presence.

5. Study your Bible always. It supplies grace also.

6. Avoid phonograph and movies full of sex scenes.

7. Avoid reading books that are full of sex acts.

Above all, you must make a quality decision not to permit sin reign over you. Because if you do, you will end up in burning hell.

Again, you only get born again once. But you can rededicate your life to Christ if you backslide from the faith.

If you sin, just ask God to forgive you and repent of it. And he will.

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jaephoenix:
It was stated in the bible that every word there is inspired and breathed by Yahweh. And any removal from it(which you are doing) would be met with stiff punishments. Be warned

You can't establish a point with just a verse of scripture. It must be in harmony with the other passages.

Even God himself rebuked Job for uttering statements without knowledge.

Apostle Paul didn't use the best expression of language to communicate his message when he said all scripture are inspired by God.

It should read, "All scripture inspired by God..."

Even the words Satan spoke is written in the Bible. So, how could Satan words be inspired?

Tuesday, April 25th.

Exposition on the Book of Revelation - 25 (The Seven Trumpet Judgement - Continued).

"And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them." (Revelation 9:6).

The seven trumpet judgment is God's vengeance against the wicked people of this world who persecuted and killed Christians at will. We are on the fifth trumpet judgment. At the blast of the fifth trumpet, special breed locust will be released.

The scripture says; "And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be TORMENTED FIVE MONTHS: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man."(Revelation 9:4-5).

And during the five months of torments, according to the opening text; men shall seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. This is the punishment for the wicked and unjust people of this world who will be on earth as at the time of this judgment.

We know the great discomfort one feels when mosquitoes harass you throughout the night talk more of a special breed locust whose teeth are like that of a lion and whose sting is like that of a scorpion. One sleepless night alone can affect you the next day. But the torment of these locust is such that you won't sleep for five months, you may not also be able to eat and yet, you are not permitted to die.

Please, if you are reading this devotional, give your life to Christ before it's too late. And if you are already born again, serve God with undivided attention. "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" (Revelation 6:17).

Prayer: Heavenly Father, merciful and gracious, I glorify your holy name. I thank you for assigning your angels to watch over me through the night hour and protect me throughout the day. I ask for your enabling grace to keep the faith and finish the race till the end in the mighty name of Jesus. Amen.

Further Study: Proverbs 11:21, Judges 1:14-15.

Only those who have money to waste which they did not work for will buy such a house.

If you have such budget for a house, why not buy a land and build it to your taste.

I like a house by the see side and nature.

Besides, it has no swimming pool, no playground for children, no space for family worship and no indoor games hall like table tennis and basketball court.

jaephoenix:
1. None of the bible verses is eye witness account. They were all written hundreds of years after they supposedly happened.
2. Yahweh appeared to Jacob, Moses etc in all his glory, and not only were they never blind, but they lived, contrary to your Bible claims.
3. These are also examples where Yahweh appeared as shining light, in this case to Ezekiel, and yet dude never got blind

Ezekiel 8:2
Then I looked, and behold, a likeness as the appearance of a man; from His loins and downward there was the appearance of fire, and from His loins and upward the appearance of brightness, like the appearance of glowing metal

Ezekiel 1:27
Then I noticed from the appearance of His loins and upward something like glowing metal that looked like fire all around within it, and from the appearance of His loins and downward I saw something like fire; and there was a radiance around Him

Ezekiel 1:28
rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the surrounding radiance. Such was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell on my face and heard a voice speaking

Moses wrote the first five books. His writings concerning the deliverance of Israel from Egypt is definitely an eye witness account.

Yes, he appeared in his brightness a few times. But I can tell you that the radiance of his glory at those moments were not in its fullest.

If God comes down in the fullness of his glory, no mortal man can withstand that glory. You can't even stand on your feet.

This is why the glory sometimes had to be covered with thick darkness.

When Peter, James and John went with Jesus and Jesus was transfigured before them, they fell down like dead men.

The Bible is the only book that gave us detailed account of how the world began and how this present age will end.

Everything John saw as written in the book of Revelation are coming to pass one after the other.

So, the vision of the great white throne judgment where everyone will stand before God to be judged will also come to pass.

Follow my exposition on the book of Revelation in my online daily devotional study, Rhema for Living Devotional so you can fully understand what is ahead of us.

And all the events written therein will come to pass.

Don't be among those who will be throne into the Lake of Fire. And the way to escape that judgment is to give your life to Christ.

Excerpt from my book, How to be Filled with the Holy Spirit.

CHAPTER FIVE

What Is The Visible Evidence That You Are Filled With The Holy Spirit?

When you get filled with the Spirit, there is usually accompanied evidence that you are filled. Virtually everyone that got filled with the Holy Spirit in the Bible days spoke in other tongues. So, why should your experience be different?

There are a few people I have met who claim they are filled but do not speak in other tongues. This is inconsistence with the scriptures. Let’s take a memory lane through all the scriptures that gives an account of those that received the Holy Spirit;

“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.…” (Acts 10:44-46)

This was the experience in the house of Cornelius when God sent Peter to his household to preach the gospel to him. Notice the underlined sentence. The Jews were surprised that the Gentiles also could receive the Holy Spirit. The only way they knew was that, ‘they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God’. That was the proof that they were filled with the Holy Spirit.
Another good example is recorded in Acts 19:1-6;

“And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.” (Acts 19:1-6)

This is another proof that speaking in tongues is the sign that follows the infilling of the Holy Spirit.

Even the experience on the day of Pentecost revealed the same consistency;

“And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.” (Acts 2:1-4)

There are only two incidences of people that received the Holy Spirit but there was no immediate record to show that they spoke in other tongues but it is implied;

“Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money” (Acts 8:14-18)

In this record, there was no mention of anyone that spoke in tongues but Simon saw something that made he realized that they had received. What did he see? He certainly would have heard them speak in tongues like in other cases. If you disagree on this point, the next record will prove it;

God send Ananias to Paul was just got converted to lay hands on him to receive back his sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.

“And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized. And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus. And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.” (Acts 9:17-20)

Here again, there is no record to show that Paul spoke in tongues but through the letters of Paul, we all know that he even spoke in tongues more than everyone in his generation;
“I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all” (1 Corinthians 14:18)

When did he receive the ability to speak in tongues? It was certainly when Ananias lay hands on him. This I believe confirms that the experience in Acts 8:14-18 we cited above could not have been different.

There is one scripture that I would love to bring our attention to. It was an occasion when Jesus breathed the Holy Spirit on his disciples even before the day of Pentecost. Those who claim they have the Holy Spirit but do not speak in tongues use this passage to buttress their point.

“And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost.” (John 20:22)

Here, the passage could not have been talking about the baptism of the Holy Ghost which he had told them they should wait for. If they already got baptized here, why would he tell them to wait for it? The Holy Spirit could not be poured out until Jesus was glorified.

Notice he breathed on them before he said receive ye the Holy Spirit. What Jesus did here was to impact them with the new life. This experience was the birth of the new creation that began with the Apostles. Remember when God created Adam, he breathed on them before they became a living soul. The Holy Spirit has a role to play in imparting the new life hence he said receive ye the Holy Ghost.

The process of creation always involves the Holy Spirit hence Job wrote;
“The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.” (Job 33:4)

In the same way, God breathed into the first man Adam who was the beginning of creation of mankind, Jesus also breathed into his disciples who also were the beginning of the new creation.

So, this scripture cannot be used to make a claim that you can have the Holy Spirit without speaking in other tongues.

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Jackanda1:
Please i do not welcome comments from atheist on this thread. Thanks

In 2011/2012 after i had given my life to christ. A young man in my church asked me if i had recieved the infilling of the holyspirit, i said no. He promised to pray for me.

A certain day, i think on a saturday, after church service, he laid hands on me in the name of Jesus and prayed in tongues.




The next thing that happened is that i got up from the hard floor of the church. I didn't feel any pain nor did i remember falling. I didn't speak in tongues either. But i had a lot of faith and was happy and believed i had been filled with the holyspirit.

I understand that you are aquinted with the spirit once you're born again, but there is an infilling or baptism of the spirit different from the born again experience.(Acts8:15-17)

So, did i recieve the infilling of the spirit at that time? Is it possible to be filled/baptised with the holyspirit without recieving any of his gifts like speaking in tongues?

Get the answer from an axcerpt from my book, How to Be Filled With the Holy Spirit.

CHAPTER FIVE

What Is The Visible Evidence That You Are Filled With The Holy Spirit?

When you get filled with the Spirit, there is usually accompanied evidence that you are filled. Virtually everyone that got filled with the Holy Spirit in the Bible days spoke in other tongues. So, why should your experience be different?

There are a few people I have met who claim they are filled but do not speak in other tongues. This is inconsistence with the scriptures. Let’s take a memory lane through all the scriptures that gives an account of those that received the Holy Spirit;

“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.…” (Acts 10:44-46)

This was the experience in the house of Cornelius when God sent Peter to his household to preach the gospel to him. Notice the underlined sentence. The Jews were surprised that the Gentiles also could receive the Holy Spirit. The only way they knew was that, ‘they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God’. That was the proof that they were filled with the Holy Spirit.

Another good example is recorded in Acts 19:1-6;

“And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.” (Acts 19:1-6)

This is another proof that speaking in tongues is the sign that follows the infilling of the Holy Spirit.

Even the experience on the day of Pentecost revealed the same consistency;

“And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.” (Acts 2:1-4)

There are only two incidences of people that received the Holy Spirit but there was no immediate record to show that they spoke in other tongues but it is implied;

“Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money” (Acts 8:14-18)

In this record, there was no mention of anyone that spoke in tongues but Simon saw something that made he realized that they had received. What did he see? He certainly would have heard them speak in tongues like in other cases. If you disagree on this point, the next record will prove it;

God send Ananias to Paul was just got converted to lay hands on him to receive back his sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.

“And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized. And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus. And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.” (Acts 9:17-20)

Here again, there is no record to show that Paul spoke in tongues but through the letters of Paul, we all know that he even spoke in tongues more than everyone in his generation;
“I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all” (1 Corinthians 14:18)

When did he receive the ability to speak in tongues? It was certainly when Ananias lay hands on him. This I believe confirms that the experience in Acts 8:14-18 we cited above could not have been different.

There is one scripture that I would love to bring our attention to. It was an occasion when Jesus breathed the Holy Spirit on his disciples even before the day of Pentecost. Those who claim they have the Holy Spirit but do not speak in tongues use this passage to buttress their point.

“And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost.” (John 20:22)

Here, the passage could not have been talking about the baptism of the Holy Ghost which he had told them they should wait for. If they already got baptized here, why would he tell them to wait for it? The Holy Spirit could not be poured out until Jesus was glorified.

Notice he breathed on them before he said receive ye the Holy Spirit. What Jesus did here was to impact them with the new life. This experience was the birth of the new creation that began with the Apostles. Remember when God created Adam, he breathed on them before they became a living soul. The Holy Spirit has a role to play in imparting the new life hence he said receive ye the Holy Ghost.

The process of creation always involves the Holy Spirit hence Job wrote;

“The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.” (Job 33:4)

In the same way, God breathed into the first man Adam who was the beginning of creation of mankind, Jesus also breathed into his disciples who also were the beginning of the new creation.

So, this scripture cannot be used to make a claim that you can have the Holy Spirit without speaking in other tongues.

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