ferfer:



Yea, right! As long as you have written an encyclopedia about climate change and lay in bed with Greta, we can conclude that you will continue with that idea against the will of the people, even if your predecessor 'died' on that hill and a majority government is unlikely with other parties not on board with said idea.

The reality is that if some section of the Canadian (middle class mostly) is not sold down the river by climate change policy of the liberals, another section (lower + middle class) will be betrayed by the Cons through another unpopular policy. Choose your poison or should I say choose your reward?

There is only one people oriented party in this country that will not sell out to the rich/powerful and it is neither the Liberals nor Cons. And it is the only party that has consistently canvassed for people policies like National food program, pharma-care, dental program and even challenged grocery chains like Loblaws about price gouging etc.....

lol @ shadow carbon tax! Perhaps we can add Sellout Singh, Carbon Tax Carney, Justinflation, Axe the tax, Canada is broken now Canada first e.t.c. Too much exposure to Pierre's soundbites...

There is a reason why NDP can't win an election in this country cos people are not stupid. It sounds good to parade those bogus programs but who is going to pay for it? NDP never thinks about how to grow the economy, this time around they will be wiped out. They had the chance to force an election that would have favored them but was aligning with JT, now they are not part of the equation again.

MC has an impressive resume but I can't trust him. He has switched his position on almost everything he believed in from carbon tax, pipelines, capital gains tax, deregulation etc. and he is doing it cos of the election. I'll rather stick with PP whose views on these are original. The good thing is that PP is not anti immigrants unlike Trump and his gang of crackheads so I don't see any reason to fear him.

What we need is common sense not ideology. Climate change is real but to kill or limit our industries while the like of China and India are still building and firing coal is a no no for me. It is either the whole world do the same thing we do or we do what others are doing. Even if we unilaterally end fossil fuels, we will still feel the impact of climate change as we share one climate so why weaken ourselves for something we can't unilaterally solve? This is my problem with the Left.

AgentXxx:
Yes of course which is why Trump said he isn’t going to be the one to start WWIII.

My brother nobody is fighting ww3. Infact ww3 is a scam. How many times in the last 3 years had Putin threatened nuclear war and ww3? Each time his bluff was called, he shift goal posts.

I remember his statement the day he signed order for Ukraine invasion saying anyone who helps them out will draw them into war with Russia. He threatened nuclear war if west supplied tanks to Ukraine. They supplied nothing happened. He issued threat before F16s was supplied. Then he threatened ww3 if Ukraine gets long range missiles, threatened nuclear war if Ukraine strike Russia with western long range missiles yet Ukraine struck, nothing happened.

If he got the liver for ww3, he could have attacked Poland where all Ukraine weapons are being shipped from but Biden has said he will defend every inch of Nato territory and the deterrence worked.

Ww3 will never be fought. It turns out that Trump is very weak. If an American president who spends more money in military than the next 10 countries combined is openly being scared about ww3 then that's a gift to Putin and Xi and they can use it to scare the shit out of Trump and get their way. In that case America deterrence is dead and they should stop wasting money on their military

jedisco:


Begged or dragged?
Article 5 of the NATO treaty (I.e an attack on one is an attack on all) was invoked and others had to answer the 'clarion call'. These nations had been gulping American-funded NATO freebies all along- that was their time to repay the warm gesture. Many were 'keen' to show their support for the Americans.

Oddly, thats the only time it's been called into use. I wonder if America would send her soldiers to fight and die for the French e.t.c in thesame fashion.

Whatever freebies America think they are giving others, they also get their reward in the form of influence, nothing is free. If America pulls away so will their influence.
For example, Huawei is bad don't use it, allies obey even though they don't believe it is a threat to their own security, America wins.
Sanction this enemy, allies obey because America is the security guarantor. In all these US interest is advanced.
China has been trying to break US hegemony by breaking US alliances without success over the years but surprisingly Trump is now doing it for them in an era China is trying to build it's own alliances.
America needs others more than others need them in the long term. They are they ones that want to be super power like China and Russia. Others are okay being normal countries.

Trump might get the temporary "win" as he bullies allies now but in 5 ,10 years from now, their influence will diminish as others get their act together and ignore America's interests.

I see a situation where they will come back offering the same "freebies " they are crying about now to win back influence but it will be too late.

jedisco:


Hehe.. what would he done? Walk out and face Putin?

For all Trump said- he reminded Z he doesn’t have the main cards here. Z is the one seeking help and he should be playing his cards well.

Just like at the onset of this war, I still continue to wonder how Ukraine would gain.

Before the war, when UK and U.S warned Z that Russia were amassing troops on his border, he laughed them off as being war mongers. Appears he had no idea which is shocking for 2 nations so closely intertwined.

Many nations have gained-
China and India get cheap energy
North Korea got a nuclear power behind them with security guarantees
Some European countries used the distraction to quickly join NATO
U.S used this to appraise and deplete Russian capabilities/demography, test new and deplete old weapons plus fund their military industry.

Ukraine is not more likely to join NATO now than they were at the beginning of the war. Russia has also suffered and any 'victory' now would be phyrric and looking to prove a point which is not what Ukraine wants.

We all agree Russia is the bad bear and America the dominant lion. Could Ukraine not extricate itself from being cannon fodder between the two? What effort did Ukraine make to avoid this? This was largely foreseeable. The reality of the world today is that if a nation decided to make the Soviets (or now China) their best friend, they probably don't want to share a border with America.

For all the huffing, how long can the EU unilaterally support Ukraine without the U.S? How long before the 1 million young NEETs in the UK question why we are sending billions to Ukraine when their benefits are being cut?

I think they intended to ambush Z to sign the deal without questions. That is why they brought the cameras hoping Z would just say yes without questions. Otherwise there is no reason on earth why those discussions shouldn't be done in close door. Leaders at that level agree on paper things like that and now invite cameras for just signing ceremony.

I agree Z made some mistakes in the way he talked but he was raising some genuine issues. Without a clear security guarantee, how can we be sure that Putin will not reinvade? There was an agreement signed in 2019 that he tossed away.

The reason why US is important for Ukraine cos Trump is the only guy that Putin respects and fears so he can use his might to extract concessions from Putin for Ukraine so they said. However, up till now there is no indication he is applying or willing to apply pressure on Putin to give up something, he is just agreeing to everything Putin is saying but we are seeing pressure on Ukraine to sign mineral deal.

If the idea is to end the war on Putin's terms only then Ukraine can end it on their own, they don't need the US for it. Z can just call Putin and agree to his demand to pull out of the 4 regions Russia wants to gain and the war will end now. Putin also wants to end the war cos he is bleeding too but Ukraine is bleeding far more.

Trump is supposed to be a strong man but it seems that his strength is only when it comes to weaker countries. If you listen to Trump, it seems Russia is more powerful than the US and the US has to accept whatever Russia wants.

My advice to Ukraine will be to accept their loss and give Russia whatever they want to end the war. It is no different than what Trump is offering.

My advice to America is to stop wasting money on military budget, it is useless and a waste. If their only power is to bully weaker nations and can't even stand up to powerful countries then they can do that with small military budget cos they are not as powerful as we thought. They should channel their money to fix their Healthcare instead.

Zahra29:


Agreed, North Korea will never. It has given 12000 soldiers to Russia, 3000 of whom have already been killed, and is sending more troops. Its military spending is huge for such a poor country.

Iran's nuclear program was under control until Biden loosened sanctions on them and they had more financial capital to fund it. They need a very firm hand on them to stop, or at least slow down, its expansion. I'm not a fan of Iran becoming a nuclear power.

I believed in non proliferation of nukes so I was against the likes of Iran, NK or others from obtaining nukes. But given the Ukraine hopelessness, I now support nukes for everyone. Iran should have it and other countries who want it should get it.

Zahra29:


Agreed. Russia is no real friend, ask Assad who enjoyed Putin's support until it was no longer expedient to him.

There are reports that China's and Russia's intelligence agencies are stealthily recruiting US Federal employees who have recently been fired or at risk. No doubt looking to leverage on their disgruntlement with Trump's adminstration. Soviet spies loading....

To the bolded, Ukraine actually had nuclear weapons but in 1994 it signed up to a treaty with Russia and the West (including the US) to transfer these weapons to Russia in exchange for security assurances to respect its independence and sovereignty. A few years later, Russia, who was one of the parties in the agreement, invaded Ukraine and hasn't stopped since.

Ukraine giving up its nuke was a catastrophic mistake and this is why I think North Korea will never ever give up it nukes and Iran will surely secretly acquire it's own nukes. I will support any country that wants nukes to get it, it levels the playing field

AgentXxx:
Lol I don’t know if you missed the Ganusi saga that happened in Nigeria between some alfas and Kwam 1. I can relate it to this US/Ukraine. In Life, If you want to be respected, you need to work on self sufficiency and try to stay away from asking people . In majority of cases, A needy person doesn’t get any respect. That is why literally the giver’s hand is always at the top of the receiver’s.

What made the US powerful is that the west collectively accepted her leadership. This is why effort to dethrone the dollar spearheaded by this same Russia and China hasn't succeeded. The dollar will be gone once the west decides to switch away from it and I can see it happening very soon.

AgentXxx:
America under Trump is MAGA which is by only doing what benefits only the US. It’s all about business for Trump. No loyalty 🤣

Baby Trump and his supporters are cowards and ignorant. In Trump's little mind, he thinks by bending the knee to Putin, then Putin will spare US interests from harm when he has the opportunity to inflict them.
Putin is far wiser than Trump, he knows America is not an ally but will use Trump to their advantage. Putin will choose China over the US irrespective of Trump's delusions.
Right now, the FBI is now afraid to touch anything that relates Russia cos of fear of Baby Trump. This means Russia now have the opportunity to penetrate America.
Las las, Every endangered country should just get their own nukes for their own security. The only thing that makes Russia and America powerful is just the nukes.

odilibe:

Will need a whole genuine reasons to withdraw a PR application,especially in canada application, otherwise will ignore request, information received for withdrawal will be entered in GCMS notes.
If they suspect misrepresentation even before processing has started they will ignore request, wondering what will be a reason for PR withdrawal, incase applicant lose status or will be required to leave Canada if withdrawal is made.

Really? Wao! I didn't know about that

malakiMal:
Guys im in a serious pickle and scared at the moment.

So when i was 20 i applied for study permit. At the time i was doing nysc and working in tech (entry level) but in my SOP. I inly said that i was doing NYSC. I didnt mention that i worked as i didnt want them to know i was doing nysc and working because i was supposed to be working in my PPA but was running it as i needed tech experience.

In my work permit i also didnt declare this work experience as i had work lined up in canada so i just used that and didnt bother using anything else as i thought it didnt matter.

Now in my pr application i declared the experience i did in nigeria. I added reference letter, offer letter and a picture of me and my colleagues at work. Im now seeing that people are getting misrepresentation ban for what i did and i dont know what to do.

Im in canada and all my experience shows progress and i have the documents for them. I make a good living here now and have a son on the way. How could i make such a silly mistake that can ruin my life. Has anyone else gone through this successfully? Should I submit an LOE or just wait from word from IRCC?

Funny thing is I received my study permit at the work place. I have proof from VFS canada that my passport was sent to the work address im claiming for work experience. this all is just making me super paranoid.

You can withdraw your PR application and apply again when you can only use experience outside the one you didn't mention initially. You need to stay consistent. I think you will be fine as long as they haven't acted on your current application and flag it. But if they flag it before your withdrawal then it could be a big problem so I think

justwise:
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Really jedisco? Is this really who you are? I never knew that you are a bigot, so why do we come down gun blazing on the issue of racism in the UK if this is your views about the Igbos?

To say that i'm shocked reading this from you is an understatement, i'm so disappointed in you and you have to be shamed of the character you displayed here.

I have zero respect for anybody that expresses such view about another tribe

I don't think he is a bigot. He is just one of those guys that overdo just to prove a point.
The area he took the conversation was unnecessary and unhelpful.
Besides, while I understand the point he is trying to make which is reasonable, he is making it in a wrong way cos the Indians are not our allies, don't give a damn about blacks and are not united themselves so i don't see any reason to bring your own people tribal fault lines just to defend them.

One of the problems they are having in canada is this anger that they have brought their hindu vs Punjab fight to Canada and now killing themselves on Canadian soil compared to Nigerain tribes that have coexisted peacefully in a foreign land.

gforce5:
It pisses me off when Nigerians in Nigeria mock Nigerians in the diaspora as "second class" citizens who "clean the white man's yash and wash toilets". The disrespect is off the chain. Nigerians in America are the most educated immigrants in the country. All my classmates from high school have top jobs in the States. Even in the UK, where I spent a quarter of my life, most Nigerians I know have professional jobs. Many work in the city, have their own firms, work in the public & private sector. Nigerians in the diaspora are the biggest investors in Nigeria after foreign companies. Compared to most immigrant groups abroad, Nigerians, especially 1st generation Nigerians, tend to be more invested in their country of origin than others. Many families are surviving because of the contributions of family members abroad. Nigerians abroad invest heavily in the property market in Nigeria. They are even the biggest tourists in their own country. Who do you think make up the majority of "dirty december" tourists? It's Nigerians in the diaspora bringing necessary forex into the country. Many Nigerians abroad work 2-3 jobs just to provide for their families back home. What have Nigerians living in Nigeria done for their own country apart from being zombies supporting mediocrity?

My brother we don't need their appreciation. Majority of those mocking Nigerians abroad are frustrated themselves. Most don't have much going for them in Nigeria and have tried and failed to relocate. So mocking people abroad is like a coping mechanism for them, if you can't have it then denigrate it to feel better, that's what they do.
Anyone doing well in Nigeria doesn't have that time and interest to be mocking people. In general, poor people have the sharpest and viral mouth. They can insult your generation. They are the masters of insults and mockery of others. They don't appreciate anything. Give a poor person money now, he will call it tachiri money

I helped someone months ago. Wife developed complications during pregnancy and he was running helter skelta looking for money to save his wife. He asked for 500k loan, I gave him. Months later, I saw his post on Facebook mocking Nigerians abroad as doing odd jobs to survive and looking for "3rd class citizenship ". He said he will rather live like a king in Nigeria than have "3rd class citizenship "
This is a "king" who tried to migrate years back, wrote IELTS about 4 times but didn't make it and he gave up, this is a "king" who is still owing someone abroad 500k up till today and not even talking about it. If I ask him now about the money, he will say I'm disturbing him cos of tachiri money. I have more examples of this kind of behavior

Poor or frustrated people and bad mouth can't be separated. On one hand, they beg you for assistance and on the other hand, they insult and mock the same helper cos of envy and jealousy

Maria96:
i just heard a gist recently . Over 200 of them about it be sacked by a financial institution. The USA branch was fined billions recently and the CEO is retiring/ resigning soon. The bank colour is a colour in the Nigerian flag. The company just found out that their tech staff all have a common work experience and from review of their bank account they have been paying this said company. Meaning they got fake experience and reference in exchange for part of their salary.
I didn’t mention name o

T* B****
I no mention name ooo

HEAVEN4444:
many have sold lekki properties to Japa ooo .

What if they sold it to buy another abroad? They probably did not sell it cos they are looking for proof of fund or money for survival.

A friend of mine sold his Lekki home a year after japaing to invest in real estate abroad. You can argue whether it makes sense or not but that was his choice.
As our faces are different so also our needs, mentality and what we want to achieve in life differs.For example, I want to live a good life and I don't care about being "rich". If it comes, fine, if not, I'm interested in living a quality life, others may have different interests.

HEAVEN4444:
I specifically said those selling properties. Meaning you are a made man. Mafioso. In mafioso they use that term lol. Made man

I keep hearing this phrase, selling properties to japa all the time and I'm wondering what properties are people selling.
I hope you guys are not counting people selling lands and properties of 10m as selling properties, ,that's less than $10k.

Have you ever seen someone who owns a duplex in say lekki valued at over 200m sell it to japa? In the first place, people who own that kind of valuable properties will always have a way of raising money to japa without selling their properties that's if they really want to japa.

Nobody sells a real valuable property to japa cos people who have those kind of properties are usually well to do. People who sell properties to japa are people in the struggling category who sell to raise few millions to aid their travel. If they are traveling as legal permanent residents not students, chances are in few years they can easily replace what they sold. Those their "properties" are easily replaceable as they are small dollars worth.

So this phrase people selling properties to japa is not as bad as internet warriors try to make it if we put it in a proper context

SeraphicWind:
Hello Coldie,

I opened this thread to warn you. Be extremely careful on what you wish for sir. You are being manipulated.

Maybe there is somebody somewhere that does not want you in the abroad.

Your level in life now is the prayer point of over 4 billion humans. But you will not believe.

Please thank God for life. Be grateful to God you are able to enter aeroplane before you leave the earth. Billions left and will leave the earth without knowing how an Airport looks like not to talking of flying out.

Nigeria is Hell on earth at the moment.

Remember the combustible inflation, the lack of electricity, the lack of water, bad roads, smelly environment, noise pollution, noisy humans, frustrated humans, bad spirits, extremely disorganised society, corrupt institutions and the biggest one, insecurity.

Anyone can kpai anyone in Nigeria and go scot free.

I still strongly believe you are being manipulated demonically either by an enemy or a bad spirit that wants to frustrate you and destroy your life.

If you are a Christian, become extremely close to God almighty. If you can become baptised in the Holy Ghost fire of God almighty, all the way better.

Use you tongues to cancel any depressions, worries or anything disturbing you in life.

Remember that life is a journey and not a destination. Life has always been a struggle, life is still a struggle and life will remain a struggle.

Go to Ikeja underbridge or Obalende underbridge. You will see crippled beggars rolling on the floor just to pick money fellow humans throw at them from inside air conditioned cars.

Are those crippled beggars not humans?

Be grateful bro. Thank God, Bless God and Glorify God for life.

Shalom.

Stop wasting your advice. Go through his past posts you will see he doesn't live in the UK.
Make una no dey allow people use una catch cruise in 2025 abeg.
Reserve your energy for real and important things

descarado:

The guy is not in uk.
Haba.
He visited UK last October.
How can one be a visitor where he live?

Even the visiting, I am positive it's another fake.
We must create content on nairaland.

I saw it too my brother. Nairaland is becoming a joke. A place where people come to flex their story telling skills.
See how genuine people are wasting their advice thinking they are responding to something real.

wallg123:

Just to add. So far I have mostly seen cases of illegal immigrants with criminal records being deported. But the MSM would not tell you this... You can't be illegal and being committing crime up and down. Who does that ?..... Would any country open it's borders for all ex-convicts, murderers and rapist ?

My brother every president before Trump deported people. Biden deported more than 1.5m human beings. Obama was nicknamed deporter in chief. His deportation record is highest of any president till date yet there wasn't any brouhaha about it. This is because for normal people, it doesn't give joy to deport people but then it still has to be done. The only difference now is that somebody likes to dehumanize people.

For Trump, dehumanizing people validates his toughness. It gives him joy. Otherwise he can carry out deportations like others have done without creating a spectacle out of it. It is not really about deportation for him, it is about the show. At the end of the day, I won't be surprised that he might not even deport up to the number others have deported but he will make the most noise with it.

jedisco:
BTW, I belive this thread is for Nigerians in Canada to share experiences, help each other and build a community not a congregation for Nigerians (even those not in Canada) who hate Indians to mast**bate on.

What has changed? How come there is so much focus on spreading hate for another moreso than bettering ourselves? We've seen such narratives in Nigeria of people blaming other groups for their problems even to the extent of widespread religious riots- where did that lead us?

I'm not one to gate speech and all thoughts are welcome. But so little has been said of Trumps threats and the direction of the US toward Canada (which if true would have far-reaching consequences for us) - whereas many posts over most recent pages has been about hate towards Indians- even those in countries we have not visited. We are better than this!
We should remember that in pointing at others, four fingers point back at us.

Indians are more hostile to blacks in the west than whites. Sometimes whites may have small conscience but most Indians don't. Despite being immigrants themselves, the black immigrant community can't count on Indians as allies cos they see themselves as superior to us.

Those days, ALL the interviews I went for where an Indian is the hiring manager never worked. The only ones that worked where the ones with white managers.

In a country pushing DEI, these guys will flood everywhere with their people not because they are that good but pure acute nepotism. Go to some Tim Hortons and Walmart stores they are managing, the workers there are 99% Indians including ones that can't speak audible English. What happens to giving 60% of the slot to Indians and 40% to other immigrants?

They show no mercy to other immigrants so I don't give a damn about them too. We didn't come to a white man country only to come and suffer racism from them too in addition to white people. So I clearly understand why folks are calling them out

jedisco:
To conclude: recently, we were told how Trump would cut Indians to size. It's still early days but boy, he's signed a number of executive directives. I'm yet to see any which would disproportionately affect indians.

Bringing an end to DEI (which aimed to adress racial disparities in attainment borne from centuries of unfair treatment) would see more Asians (of which indians make a good chunk) in top Americans colleges and subsequently help them into top jobs. Oddly, black Africans might be the most affected as most migrating few who were on average higher attaining than African Americans so were able to ride their wave (I believe) into good spots.

Ending citizenship by birth (though unlikely to hold) would mostly affect Latinos and South-American migrants.

Nothing has been said about H1B visa yet but already hundreds of billions of dollars is being poured into AI - leading the crew is Soft Bank CEO- Masayochi Son who is Korean-Japanese. Remember tech leaders tend to favour immigration and if the recent body movements by them is anything to go by, I wouldn't be surprised that while Trump uses border closure and some deportations as a news headline to keep MAGA happy, he secretly listens to tech heads and opens up the work visa pathway. We can guess who'd form most of the beneficiaries. The endgame from the previous two points i.e more Indians in uni and less bottlenecks in job places for them would only see more Indians getting H1B spots.

Furthermore, more Indians getting into highly paid tech jobs would create the PR that'd lead to an increased admittance of Indians in the west as many would look to replicate the success of big American tech by getting talent all over the world. We can see this in the UK who might soon announce an AI visa. Ultimately, these Indians in high places would create the network effect that'd see more come in or certain jobs being offshored to India- No fret! its how the world works.

To be clear, while I'm against ending DEI, I have no qualms with Indians getting spots they have worked hard for.It's still early days and some of these are postulations but I can only wonder what African folks who supported Trump in the hope that he'd fight Indians for them think now. Oddly, though a small cohort participated, it appears Indians like Trump

And before someone start mumbling racist jibes e.g 'type of indians e.t.c', they should look at history and find out the type of Brits UK sent to Australia and where both nations are today.

That visual you attached is really interesting but I'm not surprised. I have always known that Trump's presidency will deal the west a major blow and benefit American adversaries. In Trump's world, allies will be enemy while enemies will be friends.
The next 4 years presents China an opportunity to deal a major irreversible blow to the west thanks to Trump

AfahaAbia:


Forget that Ednut1, he just a daft fellow. Always on every Japa thread here. Zero communication skills!!!

My brother, this travel section is designed for Nigerians in diaspora sharing tips, experiences and insights into life abroad or people who have interest in traveling.

This section is not for Nigerians in Nigeria who are comfortable, happy in Nigeria and are not interested in traveling. If someone is in that category then it is not expected that they come and be creating useless threads for japa matter when they should have better things to focus on.

A lot of people present an image of anti japa just to hide their own frustration of failure to japa themselves. OP has been bursted on this.

You claim you no like babe, she is not your spec, you don't need her bla bla bla... but everytime you have something to say about her, her name is always on your mouth. My brother, that person like the girl die but suffering from rejection complex.

Solofresh2:
In recent years, the "Japa syndrome"—the mass emigration of Nigerians to other countries—has become a hot topic. Many believe that leaving the country is the only way to secure a brighter future, with better job opportunities, education, and quality of life.

But is this the only solution? Some argue that staying in Nigeria and working to improve the system is more fulfilling, while others feel the opportunities abroad are too good to ignore.

Let’s discuss:

Is "Japa" a short-term escape or a long-term solution?

Can Nigeria ever become a place where its citizens thrive without wanting to leave?

For those who have left, is life abroad as easy as it seems?


Share your thoughts and experiences!
In recent years, the "Japa syndrome"—the mass emigration of Nigerians to other countries—has become a hot topic. Many believe that leaving the country is the only way to secure a brighter future, with better job opportunities, education, and quality of life.

But is this the only solution? Some argue that staying in Nigeria and working to improve the system is more fulfilling, while others feel the opportunities abroad are too good to ignore.

Let’s discuss:

Is "Japa" a short-term escape or a long-term solution?

Can Nigeria ever become a place where its citizens thrive without wanting to leave?

For those who have left, is life abroad as easy as it seems?


Share your thoughts and experiences!

Nobody is discussing anything. Do your own research and arrive at your own conclusion.

You want to stir up that stupid Nigeria vs abroad argument. This is 2025, use your time wisely

missjekyll:


Prove you wrong? Why in the world would I do that?

The only thing that matters is the law. And the law recognises that there are other genders. This argument has been had and settled.

I am not having it again with you

People like you and your leftist ecosystem are the ones responsible for Trump's comeback. You guys brought Trump back to power and are responsible for the rise in far right lunatics across the western world.
I don't know what you people want to gain by turning society upside down. Name other genders make we see.
You guys have forced normal people to close their eyes and nose to vote for him cos they couldn't stand these nonsense you people are promoting.
It looks like the Left hasn't learnt their lessons in Trump's win. Too bad

Bede2u:
well to be fair, I know a fair bit of market men and women, bus drivers, bricklayers and artisans who own their own homes and cars in enugu plus a second home in their villages (some of which are still in the same enugu state). I'm sure you know a few too. They are not rich, just lower middle class.
Upper middle class would be people earning at least 5 million but less than 10 million a month.
Rich should be above 10 million a month. So in essence, many lower middle class people in Nigeria own their own homes.
The problem is that a huge percentage (70%) of Nigerians are actually poor (That would be people who earn less than 300k a month today.)

I get your point but that is not the issue. My brother anyone can own a house. The poor can also own a house, the question is where is the house?
Abroad too, it is the same thing. People in those small towns and rural areas own their houses. In fact, they build by themselves. Most of them are into Agriculture etc.
The John in my example can own a home in other states outside Lagos but will he go to work from there to Lagos daily?
Someone working in Toronto can go to small town or rural Canada to own a home but can he work from there? What will be the value to his daily living?

Anybody can own a house but where do they own it cos everywhere doesn't have the same value. Do you understand my point now?

I'm using Lagos cos that is where the professional opportunities are. Remember I'm not talking about business people, I'm talking about working class people in the middle class category.

You know what started my response to you is your comment on mortgage. You made it look like a bad thing. I'm trying to tell you that the reason middle class Nigerians abroad can't pay outright cash for a house in say London, New York, Toronto etc. is the same reason middle class John can't buy a house in Lagos.

slydog:


Germany came here to ask for gas, environmental wokism wan finish us, Trudeau declined, imagine if we began exporting gas to Germany, diversify the economy, allow Alberta and the oil industry drill. But no, we want to solve the world's carbon problem. Look at us shaking for tariffs.
JT is the problem.
Look at the military, systematically weaken them. I hope PP wins the election.

I'm eagerly waiting for this election. I can't wait to vote out those nonsense liberals no matter who leads them. They are the ones that caused Trump and all the far right guys sweeping the west now to come back. Common sense dem no get.

We export oil to US at a discount not because Canada is caring but because the stupid liberals and their environmental rubbish have made sure no pipeline or oil and gas infrastructure is built in the country so there is no other choice than to sell the oil to the US. Then the US now sells their own oil in the international market at real prices making quick gain on oil sales.
US buys 4m barrels a day of oil from Alberta at discounted price and sell the equivalent amount of their own oil abroad at higher prices and Trump still insult Canada join. Trudeau needs to be flogged.

Bede2u:
Good points you made, albeit long.
However you miss a few things.
1. The post was about upper class Nigerians throwing in the towel to move abroad because they believe 'naija don cast'. They may end up living a life below the standard they left behind. It doesn't include John. Someone earning 1m today is similar to someone who was earning 250k in 2015. They are not upper class Nigerians.

2. There are mortgage loans in Nigeria too. The criteria is different from abroad but it is there and thousands of Nigerians who know are using it.

3. Lagos is not the only city in Nigeria. There are at least 37 other cities. Most are cheaper than lagos. Less than 12% of Nigerians live in Lagos. 200 million duplex in enugu is a mansion.

Relocating abroad has never been for the rich and poor. It is the middle class guys like John are the ones relocating.
What the rich guys do is to maintain one leg abroad but not to permanently live there. They can get foreign passport to aid their travels, access better healthcare in those countries, education for their kids etc but a middle class person can't do that so what do they do? They migrate.
The problem is that lots of people here can't separate between middle class and rich people. They expect middle class Nigerians abroad to compete with rich people in Nigeria just to win argument that Nigeria is the best thing since slice bread

Bede2u:
you mean 'and mortgage one in Canada' if I hear say dem fit buy

So the average Joe in Lagos can buy a house abi? Rich people anywhere in the world can afford to pay cash for a house. You are comparing rich Nigerians to average Nigerians abroad. Compare average Nigerians in Nigeria and abroad.

Have you bought a house in Lagos before? Do you know how much it takes to buy a 3 bedroom terraced duplex? In common Ogudu, you can't buy anything reasonable with less than 200m naira not to talk of high brow areas of Lagos.

John is a brilliant Nigerian, graduated and got a job in Lagos where he earns 1m naira a month. Let's assume John will rely on his salary only, no corruption involvement to make extra money. Let's assume John will save 10m a year from his salary, how many years will John save up to 200m to buy a house in Ogudu? By the time he saves that amount the houses prices have jumped to 300m.
So what option does John have to buy a house in Lagos where he lives and work since he doesn't want to rent forever? Start looking for corrupt ways to enrich himself to make money faster, looking for somebody to use for rituals to make money, becoming a politician etc. With his legitimate income, he can never own a property in Lagos, this is why there is too much corruption and ritual killings in Nigeria.

However, if John lives abroad, the system tells John, get 5% of the cost of the house, we will give you mortgage to buy it. Pay the balance for 20 or 25 years. John buys the house and start enjoying it immediately while he keeps paying the balance. Each month John pays his mortgage, he reduces the amount he owes on the house. If after 5 years or anytime John gets tired of the house, he can sell it back and pay back the remaining balance he is owing on the house. Luckily for him, in most cases, the house he bought for 200m would have appreciated to like 210m after 5 years so he makes some good profit on the house.

So you can see that John can actually enjoy a better life without being rich or putting his hands into corruption or bad things to make crazy money. With this, there is less corruption in the society, nothing like ritual killings or desperation to make millions. Everybody benefits both rich and poor.
But Nigeria tells people like John to get rich or die trying, there is no in-between. The result is why our society is what it is today.

Most Nigerians abroad are common and average middle class Nigerians like your daily workers in Lagos. So if an average worker in Lagos can't cough out like 200m to buy a house outright in Lagos, how do you expect an average worker abroad to cough out hundreds of thousands of dollars to buy a house outright?

funkyy598:


You are right in some aspects of your comment. However, due to the tariffs, the Canadian economy will be hit more and could enter a recession, while the USA will be less affected by the after-effects of the tariffs compared to Canada—especially considering the economic power base of Canada, which is Ontario. Personally, I will not keep any cash; holding about CAD 10,000 in Canadian dollars is too risky given the current situation. It is the right time for Canada to look into other ways to stop its over-reliance on the USA for survival.

Trump is the most clueless politician I have ever seen. No strategy, no coherence, no knowledge just rant on social media.
At a time China is breathing down their neck trying to overtake them by forming alliances and pumping money into them like Belt and Road, BRICS, threatening the dollar etc, Trump is tearing down America's own alliances that has backed it.

Only Trump is initiating an economic war with Canada Mexico, China,Europe etc. If Trump implements those tariffs, there would be retaliatory tariffs against US exporters too. Let me see how US exporters, currency and economy will thrive when Canada, Mexico, EU,China etc. slam their own tariff on America.
Trade wars are lose lose for anyone that is why it is used for specific industries to protect local industries but for Trump, tariffs is a "beautiful" word and that is why he wants to apply it across board.

It's going to hurt Canada for sure but that would spur them to diversify trade away from the US which will be beneficial in the long run. The reliability of the US has kept them as number 1 all these while but their unreliability will bring their downfall. I won't be surprised traditional US allies drifting towards China in coming years thanks to Trump. Trump is a gift to China

Gerrard59:

The bold is right. Just that migration via study has been the most dependable route to exit Nigeria, else many wouldn't have been able to do so. The scholarships are few and in-between, plus the cut-throat competition for them. The most hilarious are those who attempt to migrate as undergraduates using POF.

Unfortunately it is no longer dependable. In other to correct the mistakes they made in the last 3 years, they idiot prime minister is now tightening things. This means that most students will have to leave the country willingly after their visa expiry or be deported cos they won't qualify to stay back

jedisco:


Stumbled upon this and I remembered you and Kemi. Chap is lamenting but wonder what he was expecting.
Broensing thru, it's clear X has really become its kind of SM with rising hate all in the name of free speech

These Indians should go and rest. They are talking now cos the bigotry don reach their side. Where were they when blacks and Latino immigrant community were being dehumanized?
Anybody with sense knows that the core MAGA issue wasn't illegal immigration as it was painted but non white immigration whether legal or illegal. They thought they were not in the same category with blacks and Latino immigrants cos they are the IT gurus.
They haven't learnt their lesson cos as at today people like Kash Patel is still thinking he is MAGA

Gerrard59:

The golden generation of migrants from Nigeria to the western world in a very long time.


Curious, why do people still die put on top Canada matter upon all the news and videos?

The simple answer to your question is greed, overconfidence and unbelievable deterioration of Nigeria if you ask me.
Greed in the sense that people have become too greedy. They think they can "make it" irrespective of what their situation is once they land. To make matters worse, it is now easier to migrate than years back cos people have found a way to deceive embassies with fake POF. Just with few hundred thousands, you can get 50m naira in your account as POF courtesy of rogue bankers and their network.
So what is happening now is influx of people who by reality shouldn't be anywhere near Canada now trooping in cos they have found a way to bypass the POF requirements that is supposed to help their lives.
The thinking among these set of people is "make we just enter Canada first". They feel overconfident that they can survive even if they are coming empty handed because in their mind the suffer they have suffered in Nigeria has made them resilient.
Then the unbelievable deterioration of Nigeria added fuel to fire. When you earn 200k in Lagos 4 years ago for example and you now earn 300k. On the surface, it looks like progress abi? But when you realize that your 300k can only buy 3 bags of rice, you begin to wonder if taking these stupid risks will be better in the long run.

Migration by study isn't cheap unfortunately. It used to be for the rich and upper middle class then but now every dick and Harry is now studying. I'm active in a Nigerian church in Ontario and I have seen a lot. The other day in church someone came to me with accommodation problem, I initially thought he hasn't seen anyplace to rent since he is just 1 month in the country. Luckily there was this lady relocating to Alberta where she got a job and the room will soon become vacant. I Immediately referred him to her but he told me the problem is that he doesn't have money to rent not that he hasn't seen a place to rent. How can you not have money to rent in just 1 month of arrival, what were you thinking? I was so angry and I walked away.

Even in normal times, depending on working as a student to live wasn't ideal not to talk of now. So the idea that someone will plan based on student job is so ridiculous to me but then maybe "God dey"

Alakoriomo:


Well, I don’t think anyone here deny the fact that Japa is for the poor, the average and the middle class. No wealthy Nigerian will wish to Japa under that ridiculous cold, loneliness, depression, fear of unknown and other things to earn $5k (if middle class) working in a decent place or to earn minimum wage (if average before they left) cleaning yansh or packing snow

There are 2 groups of anti japa people.

Group 1 are the genuine anti japa advocate. They have all it takes to migrate if they want to but they don't want cos they are not interested. They make their point but don't overflog the issue cos it doesn't concern them what others do. They have more important conversations to have than chasing what life people are living abroad. This group don't care whether people japa or not.

Group 2 are the fake anti japa advocates. They became anti japa cos they failed. Either they don't have what it takes to migrate or they were denied visas or they migrated but failed abroad. Cos of frustration and anger, they become anti japa advocate in other to try and feel good. It is this group that are noticing the japa noise because they care

It's obvious you are in Group 2. You keep creating useless threads about the same japa things you are against. Who does that? From creating thread on how a Macdonald worker is richer than Dangote to creating thread about grocery prices in America, for someone who claims to be anti japa, what is your interest?. If you are fixated on something you don't like or care about then there is a problem.
It's like claiming you don't like a babe but the babe's name is always in your mouth. You claim you can't date the babe cos she is not your type yet you are always ranting about the babe. My brother, you like the babe joor just that she no gree you.

My advice for you and others in your group in 2025 is to allow yourselves to heal. Failure is part of life and it is nothing to be ashamed of. It is likely everyone in this life will fail on something at some point in their life but how they move on is important. Focus on yourselves and let the people breathe. The last time I checked, children don't migrate, it is full fledged adults that migrate and they are not forced to japa. So if they pack snow and suffer, let them be, it doesn't affect your "wealth".
Abeg make una chill for 2025. Happy new year in advance to you all.