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Lexusgs430:
Nostalgia moments.......😜😁

I remember many moons ago, Burger king paid me weekly wages, in small brown envelopes (before cash in hand) was banned........😁😂

I have the feeling that you are a very likeable person in real life. Your online personality is very cool, I like your vibes.

frony1:
I sent you a mail , I want to know more about this process

Sorry, I don't do emails. What do you want to know? I can share it here. It is not illegal so nothing to worry.

Hi guys,
I remember asking about judicial review here. I want to give an update for the benefit of people who might be in that situation.

My cousin going for 1 year MSc, school fees 45k CAD fully paid, living expenses in 6 months account statement submitted both in USD and naira total of 25k USD, no lump sum, newly married but wife not going with him for stronger home ties, yet after all these, he was denied twice with their insufficient finance and other grammar.

From all indications, the main reason why they denied him is that all his siblings are in Canada. He is the only one remaining in Nigeria. They didn't say that is the reason but in GCMS note, the officer noted that point indirectly.

So my cousins here contacted a lawyer and filed for judicial review at the Federal court. Before even getting to the stage where the Judge will grant the Application for Leave, the IRCC lawyer reached out for settlement. Dem no wan face judge defend their decision

So the litigation was withdrawn and after 2 weeks, the gave him PPR. However this cost almost 8k CAD for Lawyer fees to go through that process. Canadian lawyers no get joy for money oooo but it was worth it at the end.

Like I suspected, IRCC sometimes intentionally deny people with other biased reasons different from what they state on paper. This is because they know pursuing judicial reviews is expensive so students would likely keep applying and give up at the end. Fortunately in saner climes, people who do bad avoid going to court cos they know the consequences unlike in Nigeria, people will commit crime and tell you to go to court

If you are denied and you are sure you have a solid case, don't be scared to go to court if you have the money. If IRCC see you have gone to court, they will offer you settlement before it gets to a Judge and you will get a PPR afterwards. IRCC does not want to waste time and money to fight for a case they know they will likely loose so they will rather settle it and move on.

I followed this case because my sibling (last born) is also the only one remaining in Nigeria and coming through school next year. Now my cousin own has worked, I'm now confident my sibling own will work next year if not by normal process then by judicial review.

Goodluck to everyone applying for a visa.

Enculer2:
Do you like Alberta though? Do you hate Ontario apart from the housing crunch?

I still like Ontario despite the higher cost of living

I don't understand. This is just like throwing red meat to the base. Who are they targeting?

The last time I checked, majority of the countries in the world including US,Canada,UK and Europe all require visa to enter Nigeria so what is this all about?

Are they targeting the few African countries that get visa on arrival?

I think this guy just want to make it look like he is working otherwise I don't see how it changes anything.

Anyone who understands the substance of this move not just the headline should explain to me, maybe I'm wrong

Afromentalist:
Top of the day my kind sire.

Does it mean you renounced your UK citizenship? Or you could actually go the Embassy and have another one produced ?

Renounce UK citizenship

Are you a learner?

Voltron007:
Na wa o. 2 bedroom for $1400 😳. And we dey struggle to get same for $2900 in Toronto. It’s even scarce to begin with.

Anytime I look at Alberta real estate, I just wish to run away from Ontario. If I had not established in Ontario, I wouldn't have thought twice about relocating to Alberta. They are really enjoying

Ontario real estate problem escalated after the pandemic. In 2019 and early 2020, you could still get a sharp 2 bed apartment for $1,100 in the Region of Waterloo but now ......

Flamemignon1:
First of all, it's a sexual attraction so it's not about who give whom what,I didn't choose to be attracted to men same way you didn't choose to be attracted to women, it's just is, I tried to get rid of it like a stain but the more I tried,the more it became stronger,it was so bad that I was sleeping with women everyday and every night just to see if I could change. If we are going into sex with whom,I can tell you that anal sex with a man is quite different from anal sex with a woman,I've had both and believe me,a man's ass has much more pressure than a woman's,you can research it if you want, it's natural making it better for anal sex than a woman's but nothing compares to the vagina though, it's naturally lubricated and it's tight but it can go as far as the anus.

Moreover, nobody can please you like the same sex which is true because they are literally you,they know the points in their body that turns you on and even how to make their genitals orgasm because it's their body too and to prove this fact,a study was done between gay men and straight men and also between lesbians and straight women,it was to find out who had better orgasms and lesbians came out on top because they are their fellow women,they know where to touch to give them pleasure and make their vaginas orgasm and in some cases squirt and gay men had better sex and orgasms than straight men which started with four play and ended with ejaculation,do you even know men squirt too? not to talk about the prostate orgasm which is in the ass and the orgasm is 8 times more intense than a normal penile orgasm,a lot of straight men don't know much about their own anatomy because they are off just pleasing women forgetting about other pleasures of their own bodies exists than just penile orgasm



I love your analogy but I think we are actually conflating two things here which are "normal" and "natural",the former is socially inclined while the latter is innate, everything you wrote in that excerpt falls under the normal plain not the natural field, it's natural for a straight man to feel sexually attracted to the women especially during the early stages of puberty,he's attracted to the opposite sex regardless of the woman's position in his life,incest was a normal thing in ancient times especially during the royals of Prussia now Germany,it was to keep bloodlines pure but on the normal plain, he knows he shouldn't harbour these feelings then those feelings turns into disgust as inbreeding is terrible especially if they have intentions of continuing their family


Normally I back off when it comes to religion but I will bite,the bolded should be most Abrahamaic religions not all religions which in itself resurrected from Zoroastrianism making it skeptical for historians to believe them as stand alone religions and homosexuality isn't abhorred in Hinduism,they even have a gender fluid god and even a third gender not to talk about confucianism, Buddhism, Sikhism that even okays same sex marriage

Also you mentioned China which homosexuality was as normal as heterosexuality before the west did what they do best , Ancient China even had a gay emperor who was in love with the commander of his army, it's even inspired a famous Chinese poem,the let go of western religions today but not their laws. Also,if you want to bring ancient Africa to the mix, Uganda had a gay king who even had boy wives before the west came and did what they do best and that's just Uganda


You are confusing your version of happiness for everyone's version of happiness, happiness is subjective and kids doesn't make everyone happy,my uncle and his wife are examples of this,married for 23 years(it will be 24 by December) with no kids,they never wanted kids as they are both professors and they love travelling the world and they are happier than ever. It's folks like you that guilt trips people to join the bandwagon to just push out kids with no future set for them, that's why we have kids who turn up to be nuisance of society and guess who those parents are, straight parents and besides have you heard of the term lavender marriage? It happened then and still happens now in homophobic countries, it's when a gay man marries a lesbian just to cover each other due to the judgemental and hateful society,if they wanted kids,they can have those with their lesbian sisters. Mind you,two men in a marriage are husbands,no one is dominant or submissive like a hetero marriage even hetero marriages are getting out of that stereotype,they are both men so no one is a wife and you should do more research because it's obvious you came to this argument without one,kids from same sex parents fare better than kids from opposite sex parents, that's a fact so it doesn't matter what sexuality the parents are,all that matters is they love and care for their kids because it's beginning to sound like you will love a kid to age out in an orphanage than be in a home with a love same sex couple


I did the bolded for years and it led to years and years of depression,I almost killed myself so if you know of any gay person you know personally who "converted" then tell me not the ones you have heard or seen whose journey you don't even know of and there's no problem, it's folks like you who keep telling us we are a problem making queer suicide rates go up,I hope you christians are proud of yourself


Now you muddled it all up, sex is different from sexual orientation,the former is an action while the latter is an attraction,two different things, anybody can have sex with anybody if they need to not because they want to,how do you think gay men who are still married to women do it? They think of men because sex starts from the mind before they can get erect,gay men sleep with women not because they like it but because they need it to cover their sexuality

You seem not to be interested to quit the lifestyle.
I just have another question for you before I leave the thread. This is just for educational purposes not for argument.

How does gay relationship work? Is it that only 1 person get penetrated all the time while the other person's ass is untouched or the 2 people involved get penetrated equally?

I ask because I heard that in a gay relationship one person still has to act as a woman in the relationship

Secondly, what happens to the anus in its ability to hold shit after penetrations? Since it is not designed for sex, is it not going to affect how the person poo?

Thirdly, I see men doing like women these days, some have attributed people like that to gays. Is this true?

Like I said, this is just for educational purpose not to condemn or argue with you. Thanks

elated177:
Kenn55, are you a Christian? Doesn't you Christianity condemn MouthAction? I can see from your assertions that you don't condemn anal sex completely only when it occurs between two males, right? Interesting!

Actually, there is more to homosexuality than those who engage in it think. Homosexuality is not an ordinary act. It is just like someone in the past said: "Dem no dey use clear eye do homo." And he is/was right.

Kenn55, is there a difference between the mind and brain?

Don't get me wrong, those things are wrong. I intentionally didn't want to go full religious route in my assertion, after all not everyone is a Christian. I was trying to show why homosexuality is not just wrong but abominable.
Something can be a sin but not an abomination ex fornication. At the same time, something can be more than a sin hence abominable. I was trying to narrow my assertion to focus on homosexuality alone and not just sexual sins in general.

Flamemignon1:
I feel the same way you feel as a straight man when you see a naked man, nothing and yes I've had sex with women before. Infact I've slept with more women than men,I just thought I haven't found the right woman yet and it led to years and years of self hate and depression because I was sleeping with a sex that I have no sexual or romantic feelings for so I decided to get into conversion therapy (it's a camp where they think they can make gay men straight) and that was the full on definition of torture,I almost died because of the electrocution of my brain and my manhood,I finally left and It wasn't until I met my boyfriend and kissed a guy for the first time that I felt fireworks in a romantic and sexual way,now I'm happier than ever living my true self

I understand you clearly. I used to have a total hatred for gays before but have understood that the issue is bigger than we thought. Come to think of it, there is nothing a man can offer another man sexually that a woman can't offer. Even if it's about sticking it in the ass, women have better ass too and I'm sure some women won't even mind even though it's disgusting. In case of lesbians, if it's about licking,sucking,fingering their Vagina etc, then men have tongue and hands too that can do it perfectly. In fact some men will not only lick the vagina but can cook rice and beans on top of it and eat everything. So it means there is more to homosexuality than we think. Let me explain.

The brain controls everything in our body and system. The sense organs, sex organs, feeling we have etc. It is designed to function in a certain way under every situation but sometimes in some cases, it functions opposite on in reverse of what is expected. This is not always the fault of the person, sometimes it is what it is. Let me give examples

Example 1: There are straight men who don't like BBW but love slim girls while some hate and don't have feelings for slim girls but can kill for BBW. The question is why don't the like one or the other? Are both people not still women? Their brain see these categories of women differently, it isn't their fault.

Example 2: A man having a sexual feeling for his daughter or sister or mother (incest) . The brain is designed to get disgusted at this idea that is why a normal man who sees his sister naked instead of having erection, he feels disgust instead, but the same man will have erection if he sees a beautiful neighbor or colleague naked.

The difference between the 2 examples is that while in example 1 the brain in that regard is working in reverse, the problem and desire are still within the realm of natural order cos both are still women he is entitled to have feelings for which is natural for men hence,it isn't viewed as a problem. But in Example 2, the problem and desire falls out of the natural order cos you are not supposed to have feelings for your blood and that is why it is a problem.

Homosexuality falls under example 2 because the problem and desire falls out of the natural order. In all these examples, the people involved didn't intentionally choose to feel that way but unfortunately their brain malfunctions in an area that is abominable as in example
2 hence they need help. This is why I no longer go hard on gays cos I know they are battling an issue that is bigger than them.

Homosexuality is wrong. Come to think of it, this is one of the only few things all religion of the world agree on. From christianity to Islam to Hinduism etc. Even officially atheist nations like China and North Korea rejects it. Even olden days traditional people rejects it. This is to show you that this is an abomination and not just a sin.

You mentioned being happy but think about it, is this a sustainable happiness? It is a dead end if you look at the future. Even if gays can get married legally, aren't they gonna have children? Are they going to be happy when they are 65, getting old and weak with no child not to talk of grand child? Or are they going to adopt a child formed and born by the same woman they are running away from?
Since we accept that homosexuality is in born, that means the adopted child can be straight. If that is the case, what will become of the adopted child who is straight and grow up to find out that he/she does not have a mother and the "mother" is a man? His/her parents are 2 men kissing each other as husband and wife, is the life of the child not damaged for life? Is that not selfish of the gays who were born and grew up in a home made of a man and woman but want an innocent child to grow up under 2 men or 2 women as parents?

While I acknowledge that how you feel is not your making but who you are, I believed it can be reversed if the right therapy is followed. I have watched videos of gays who left it and became straight. However, the first road to redemption is to acknowledge that it is not right and it is a problem. The bible says, "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free" Once you accept this truth and genuinely want to reverse course, I believe you can find help. But if you don't genuinely accept there is a problem, then you can't come out of it no matter the therapy.

Your case is better I believe. Since you have slept with girls, then it means you can have and sustain erection with a woman at least to have sex which is good. It would have been a different case if no woman can make you erect. So coming out of this will not be that difficult if you genuinely want to do that.

It is not your fault you are gay and I don't condemn you but I hope and pray you reverse course and come back to the natural order of things.

Flamemignon1:
There's nothing we can do but educate

Bros, I'm not here to judge or condemn you, I just want to be educated as you said.

My question to you is:

1. How do you feel when you see a fine beautiful naked woman? Don't you have erection?

2. Have you had sex with a woman before? If yes, what's your feeling about it?

No vex, I just want to understand from your perspective. Thanks

buchito1:
Hey Pal,

Thanks for your response. I have a Valid Work Visa stamped on my passport which is valid for 3yrs.

I also have a work permit separately (that one na just paper)

I hope that's good enough?
Thanks

I have no idea what work visa or work permit looks like. I don't know if it is same as normal entry visa. But my guess if it is stamped on your passport showing you can go into Canada multiple times then you are okay. I guess the person I was talking about had just paper. I didn't follow that route so not sure how things work in that regard

Mille:
Lol. Absurd reasoning and hate on rich folks. The kind of hate that stems on envy.

Poor people are the worst set of people to live or relate with. No wonder the rich in Nigeria live in gated, well guarded estates that is out of bounds to people who don't belong there.

In your mind now, every rich person in Nigeria has questionable wealth.

Lol at the "Abroad is a leveler of wealth". What sort of levelling is between people who live in shared flats in London Zone 5, running to catch the tube every day and those who live in private luxury estates in London Zone 1 with a rolls Royce, chaffeur, 24 hour nannies for their children, paying almost 50k in tuition per child at Elton College.

The audacity to compare rich people to our folks in the abroad who move around with bushy hairs because they can't afford to pay £15 pounds weekly for a haircut.

Guy, first of all, you are not rich so relax. There is no where in my post that shows envy for the rich except you mean envy for lawlessness which is a privilege for Nigerians rich class.

You twist my statement to suit your stupid points. Where did I say "abroad is a leveler of wealth" as you highlighted? I said " abroad is a leveler of men" meaning the man who lives in luxury estate in London zone 1 cannot oppress the bushy hair man who lives in shared flat in zone 5 because of his wealth.

In case you don't still get my point. If Elon Musk injures an American in the US and Dangote injures a Nigerian in Nigeria as a result of reckless driving for example, who is likely going to face accountability between the 2 people based on how their society works?

Gerrard59:
Mathematically, it is appropriate for the wealthy to reside in their dominant environment. The wealthiest Japanese reside in Japan, ditto Chinese in China or Singaporeans in Singapore. Expecting your wealthiest folks to reside outside their dominant environment is an aberration. The tale that they won't get the level of respect abroad as at home is even more reason they remain in their dominant environment. Wealthy Chinese who relocate from Mainland China tend to move to Singapore or Hong Kong, where the majority look like them.

The mathematical reason is also why most black billionaires come from Africa, not the US or Europe (no black billionaire in all of Europe anyway). Sub-Saharan Africa is the home of black people. So, statistically, it should produce more black billionaires.

I understand your point but I don't think you understand what he @OP is asking. I don't think the OP meant the ultra wealthy like billionaires. I don't think anyone expects the likes of Dangote to migrate and officially reside abroad, it doesn't make sense.
I think the OP is asking about the rich in general not necessarily the level of Dangotes. Wealth get levels naa

buchito1:
Hi guys. I’d wanna spend my Christmas in Naija.

Finished my studies, got my Work Permit and Work Visa Stamped!

Hope I wouldn’t have any issues coming back?

Kindly Advice.

Regards,

Make sure you have a valid visa on your passport ooo. Work permit does not grant you entry to Canada, only your visa does. A friend nearly got deported back to Nigeria after he went for a wedding in the US. He wasn't allowed back into Canada initially but there is a law that allows you back only if your going and coming back is within 24hrs and your travel is only to the US, that's what saved him. His visa was expired but he thought work permit replaced the visa.

ednut1:
why must he mention my user name Na be me embassy of wetin. Why not share him or her the links to those threads . 🙄

Lol. Ebi like say na you I go vote for in the next election to replace Traudeau . You are now in charge of Canada

The answer is simple. They can't get the level of respect and worship they get in Nigeria when they reside abroad. Secondly, their source of wealth will be questioned.

Abroad is a leveler of men, nobody send anybody. No special interest or recognition, no police or army following you around carrying your bag and umbrella for you cos you are a big man,everybody has 24/7 light, everybody has water rushing in their homes, everybody enjoys good roads, everybody can afford to travel to other countries because of their passport if they can afford a flight ticket not because they have billions in the bank to show the embassy etc.

So at the end, the gap between the rich and poor is narrow so nobody is going to become a slave to another person because they are rich in abroad.

So if you are a Nigerian big man, you don't want to live in a place where you become an ordinary person, you will rather want to live in a place where your wealth can make you a "god" in the eyes of the people and you can use them and the system to your advantage. In Nigeria, if you are rich, the police, judiciary,pastors etc will do your bidding, in abroad, nobody cares.

But then, don't forget that despite that, most still have properties abroad and their children also have one leg abroad through citizenship or residency incase of incasity Don't let them fool you, they are WISE

Snakedoctor1:
Middle income earner, I finally decided that we buy food in bulk after getting advice from counsellors as a way yo cushion the realities of this country.

My wife and I went to the market and spent about 200k to buy food items. Perishables were stocked in the fridge and that night, no light. Them dey bring am them dey bring am, I don burn like 45k on fuel in less than 5 days. Gen set don pack up yesterday.

Gentlemen and ladies, na the meat and fish I dey boil and smoke since morning dey cry. Tomatoes sef and other perishables don dey soft for fridge.

Tell me why one should not leave this country come rain come shine.

Chai .
Naija treating her citizens like trash since 1960.
Take heart brother

nnamdi346:
Yes, you can...100%...I applied for my SOWP while my spouse was still around and it was approved. We will be travelling together next month.

Thanks.

So your spouse already got their visa before you applied for sowp? Not that you applied together
Is there anything specific to note when applying in this situation?
How long did it take?

koonbey:
His parents migrated legally. He is talking about illegal immigrants.

What exactly is your point and how is his parentage relevant to this specific policy issue? Do you disagree? If so, why? Do you think it will not be effective? Do you believe it’s immoral in principle?

What’s your proposed solution to illegal immigration, as an immigrant yourself? Or do you not believe it’s an issue?

Make your case and leave him and his parents alone.

You people need to learn to engage issues on the basis of logic, not sentiments and ad hominem attacks on the person making an argument.


PS. Before people start responding with irrelevant assumptions, I did not say I support what he said. I do not. The point is that irrelevant personal attacks like this serve no purpose as they fail to engage the issues raised.

I don't care what he does with illegal immigrants, I don't support illegal immigration. But children of illegal immigrants born on US soil shouldn't be denied citizenship, they didn't ask to be born there.

As a child of an immigrant himself, I expect him to show a little bit more compassion at least to the children and not trying to be more mean than even white supremacists. No other conservative has publicly targeted children of illegal immigrants, why should the only one floating this idea be one whose parents just migrated from India just 40 years ago?

You get my point now.

jedisco:
Others have called it a hood nigga vs a field nigga. I've called it wallpaperism. You put a tokenised fellow in charge of controversial policies that could affect their group. Its much easier to limit criticism that way.
Take Suella for e.g. first she called Pakistanis rapists, now this. All in pursuit of an election.

Too bad. This is similar to what Vivek Ramaswamy is trying to do in the US elections. Trying to be more notorious to immigrants than Trump himself just so that he is accepted by the hard far right. He wants to end birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants born in the US, even Trump hasn't gone that far. Imagine someone whose parents migrated to the US just 40 years ago has the guts to be spewing that nonsense. I don't blame them, they are oportuned to be born in a free society where they can aspire to rise to any position and they now feel they have arrived.

DereI:
With the current interest rate? And furnished? Probably all inclusive? This is a great deal!!!

Do you know what utilities cost these days? The other day we paid $640 for gas, water and electricity - and it’s not winter yet. Last winter our enmax bill went up to $1050.

So before you comment about someone trying to rip people off, think again!!!

Check out how much property taxes are now.
Research current interest rates
Confirm rate of utilities

Then come back and apologize to poster.

SMH

Abeg no vex. Where do you pay this kind of outrageous amount on utilities? Which kind of property is that?

kokoA:
This is the part of Africa foreign media will never show you.

Why is it compulsory for foreign media to show it? Are my sensing low self esteem or what? For your information, whether foreign media shows it or not doesn't change anything

Talk is cheap

Please guys,

Someone I know has gotten his PPR but it's late to start coming as school has resumed. He has deferred to sep 2024 and will be coming to Canada around July 2024.
The initial plan was to arrive first before applying for the spouse SOWP, since he can't arrive till July, can the spouse apply for SOWP now while he is still in Nigeria? Or must the spouse wait for him to land first before she applies for SOWP? Thanks

ednut1:
Cant wait to vote this man out in 2025. So much energy for 2slgbtqia zero for economic reforms and interventions 😆

Exactly my brother, I can't wait to vote him out. His time is up. Thank God Canadians are now seeing through his bullshit.

Quintessence44:
Hahahaha…

Dem go shock….from manager at Deloitte or business owner in Lagos to security guard or warehouse operative in London.

Small oyinbo secretary of 18 will be addressing you like a school dropout and a slave.

You wey be big boy for Naija.

After some weeks, all the constant light, good roads, cheap food etc will be no biggie to you, as heavy bills plus the decline in your personal status take their toll on your psyche.

You will even miss that your generator in Naija.

Leave them make them japa.

You guys like exaggerating things to suit your narrative. The problem with these stupid arguments that never cease to end in this forum is that the pro and anti japa sides have failed to be specific in their assertions.

Are we talking of japa through green card/ permanent residence or japa through visit visa, asylum,refugee etc? Because these 2 modes of japa are not the same but for some ulterior motives, they are lumped together to confuse people.

To your point, nobody who is "doing well " in Nigeria will leave his job or business to japa through an illegal means. My brother, people aren't stupid naa.

People doing well japa through PR like I did years back. I remember when I was relocating and wanted to convert my 10m naira to USD, my cousin could not understand my decision and felt I was stupid. In a last ditch effort to stop me a day before we flew out, he showed me lands to buy trying to convince me that I'll triple my money in few years as the lands are fast appreciating but I still declined. I had my reasons to relocate and besides I was japaing as a PR, I wouldn't have japaed if it wasn't as a PR.

With PR, you can rebuild your life faster and better. You can go back to school easily and acquire better skills that would catapult your career. I went back to school as I landed cos I wanted to switch from my career in Nigeria to IT in Canada. I didn't spend any shishi of my money to go back to school, I got grant from both the Federal and provincial government that covered all my school fees and 60% of my family living expenses. I was offered loan if I wanted but I declined to take the loan cos I came with money of my own. Fast forward years after, I have established in the IT world and now running away from recruiters in LinkedIn cos I can't be switching jobs every year. Most intelligent Nigerians who came legally end up becoming better off years after landing cos they make good use of the system.

My brother, the only set of people who are doing well in Nigeria but trade it to japa by any means are people who have been personally touched by Nigeria and are so angry that they don't want to spend the next night in Nigeria. For example, someone who has been a victim of kidnapping, lost lots of money and nearly lost their life. There is someone I know who left Nigeria though I don't know which Visa he used sha but he left after he nearly lost his life in the hands of the army because he was making a call as his car driven by his wife was passing through an army checkpoint. He was brutalized and he spent nearly 2 months in hospital. After his recovery and release, they started planning japa and they eventually left for good. The truth is that I don't even blame them for that

People japa for many personal reasons that is beyond money. But to say people who are comfortable in Nigeria are leaving it to become illegal immigrants in the west is an outright exaggeration, people are not stupid and I have not yet seen anyone in that category

After you make the first 100m what next? Make another 100m?
@Raydos, this is what I was trying to talk about in your thread. Every talk or argument about Nigerians is about money, more money, more more money and it ends with money.
Nobody seems to give a damn about any other thing apart from the money they make.
This thread will degenerate into an argument on who makes more money, the stage is set. This is all we care about as a people.