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EnigmAries:
I will tell you where the certificate is if you respond to the latter part of my post.

This is the last part of your post: "You really do not think Buhari was offered admission into the Mons Officer Cadet School in the United Kingdom; and the Army War College in the United States with just letters from the Military do you?"

I am not disputing all other qualifications, what I think does not matter and in the proper sphere of things, he ought not to proceed beyond certain points or get admitted to certain areas without qualifying certificates. but the issue is, where is that qualifying, fundamental certificate? Assumptions will not work in the eyes of the law! Justice must be done and seen to be done. If u assume that he must have had the basic certificate in question and he tendered them or it to be successfully enrolled in the Cadet school and War College, where are the copies? Lost?
And no, you do do not have to tell me where the certificate is because even you do not know where it is. If the owner is not even sure (Secretary-Military Board, IBB junta seizure, missing, not in possession of said Army/Military Board..etc), then even you, cannot hazard a guess or presume to answer the questions for him.

But is it a crime to aspire for higher or equivalent certificates as the incumbent? At least university degree na, kai! Why are some happy to regress and step lower all for "CHANGE"? Are we that desperate? Don't we have better in Nigeria? It's so sad that we have expended so many resources dragging O'level matter and most, if not all of us arguing on this forum have gone beyond clear and evident O'levels o! What about international perception and image? Don't we care about that? Diction and comportment? We can do better than GEJ and far better than GMB!

kennyamusan:
Now don't u see it amusing,same Military said they have the certificate,same military said they only have recommendation,I think the military should be the one we should be pressurizing to publish the certificate if truely it is with them. Now look @ it dis way,if truely he has none,y is GEJ not contending that in the court of law 2. INEC has the sole power to disqualify any certificate incase of forgery,y is it delaying 3. The US Military have all come out to say they know about it,so y d stress of all PDP Members 4. PDP have all written to appropriate quaters but discovered that what it is being said by Buhari is false 5.Why now,he did it for two times,y should GEJ watch him get away with it twice ? It was so glaring that he would win but this time,he never envisage this kind of opposition,so he was taken aback. 5.I would really love to see a healthy debate between both of them and not this 'I would build prison/school,he doesn't have certificate,he doesn't have phD,he doesn't know how to use a computer,he is a muslim/christian etc,we should have moved beyond that because what the common man is interested in is FOOD for the stomach.

First, the military in it's first statement said they have 'records' of past and serving officers. Records entail a lot and it so happens that as at the time of this 2nd press release, that particular document is not there among GMB's 'records'. The military has no business publishing credentials of any officer unless specifically asked to do so through formal channels. Buhari ought to apply to the military for whatever documents he has sworn under oath to be in their possession.
1) The Judiciary has been on strike since d new year, so courts are not in session. His legal team probably know to strike when the iron is hottest. When the time is right...
2) No issue of forgery has been raised. INEC cannot allege forgery and GMB did not forge documents he only mentioned the location without deeming it fit to produce them as they are not lost, are in existence and accessible.
3) Nigeria is a sovereign nation. The US cannot meddle in or decide purely national issues. What they say has no evidential weight and our laws prescribe procedures for the issues on ground. Our national laws stipulate rules which must be complied with. Does Nigeria have any say in US National issues? Look at it that way.
4) Like I said, time is king here. When they're good and ready, all 'discoveries' will be made public.
5) The provisions of other Electoral Acts made it permissible for an affidavit to suffice. Now, amendments have been made and candidates are required to attach copies of whatever academic qualifications they have or an affidavit stating why they cannot attach said copies. GMB's affidavit tells u where his certificates supposedly are without saying why he cannot attach them.

A healthy debate will really be welcome...fact remains that all debaters must be qualified.

santinoj:
Permit me to ask a very logical question to all of you intellectuals and rather than start biting and chewing me to bits, answer it or ignore.

Do you in your right minds have the slightest belief that if Buhari was not qualified or let me put it in your English, does not have a certificate, the PDP with all its brilliant and powerful people wouldn't have dragged his sorry ass to court since early December when he emerged the APC candidate?

They sold you guys a dummy to take your mind of the reality and funnily enough you happily dance to their tune everyday :-)

BE REALISTIC and find better facts to argue upon and stop wasting your time because in all honesty whether una accept or not, na better campaign una dey do for Buhari. More grease to your fingers and not elbows as this case may be :-)

You guys can start biting away because I know that's what's next :-) BUT that's my two cents ;-)

You do realise the judiciary has been on strike since the beginning of the year and again, you can be sure no-right thinking person will run to the courts now. This is a fact-finding and evidence-gathering period. When the time is right, the courts will hear the matter abi no be when soup done dem go chop am? Ehen, For now, things are cooking, ingredients are being added and removed by both parties. When e don done, all man go sabi d taste.

kennyamusan:
so the military now promotes without evidence of certificate,go ask a military personnel before u start ranting,am neither PDP or APC but I think u know nothing about the Force.

So WHERE is it? Even if in some warped and myopic way, someone interprets the law to mean that he doesn't have to show proof why won't he accede to the requests of the people whom he preaches change to? The people whom he is appealing to for votes? With this level of supposed intelligence and academic excellence touted by some about GMB, one would think he'd know enough to keep a copy or copies of his certificates! Kai! The Military you seem to believe is too conscientious to promote without certificate cannot lose same conscientiousness on its record keeping now can it?

EnigmAries:
Ever heard of Attestation Letter? In addition to your certificate, you must collect it from your school back then. You really do not think Buhari was offered admission into the Mons Officer Cadet School in the United Kingdom; and the Army War College in the United States with just letters from the Military do you?

My point exactly. In addition to a certificate, an attestation letter is given. I did mention that in one of my earlier posts. Now, the 'attestation letter' and no more is out. The burning question remains, where is the certificate? The letter was placed on something, where is the thing it was placed on? Where is evidence that a proper foundation was laid before the laying on of all other 'qualifications'?

barcanista:
Now you my dear friend is going off topic. It is not about who toppled who, we are talking about who looted who. The military board should explain what happened to his documents, or they should summon IBB to testify what he did with the document of the great amiable general from Daura.

It was in the process of a toppling that there was a 'looting' so one cannot be dissociated from the other. Their greed got d better of them and unfortunately, the unabated greed of d toppled n looted one has made him d cynosure of d public. We're watching...

ichidodo:
[color=#1980BC] Madam you too like arguement..Save your energy. [/color]

My dear, I only felt it was my civic duty to try n bring some logic into some reasoning processes...I shall take ur advice n 'save my energy'...just until I've to expend it again...lol

barcanista:
My Dear, buhari was enlisted in 1961 or so into the NDA. He had to attend a british military school as well. The Army NDA being the recruitment Agency for cadet approved him and enlisted him. The letter was to show that he truely attended the Secondary school and the Military recruitment was pleased with that. The other certificates and their originals that he obtained on the course of service were looted by the same Army after he was toppled. He is right to refer whoever in need of them to the Secretary, Army board because they were the ones that looted his apartment and destroyed his properties. He didn't misplace anything. He kept it safely until the military struck. At least his principal CONFIRMED that he is a graduating student of the school... Which seal the deal.. This is why the PDP and other noisemakers are yet to go to court. They have no case against the amiable daura-born General.

Repeat something long enough and you'll definitely believe it soon enough. 'The Army was pleased' by a mere letter? Such should be an addendum to basic qualifications already tendered. Where are they? Besides such letters of recommendation usually serve as an attestation to good character, it is only a valid certificate that is bonafide, incontrovertible and irrefutable proof of an education to whatever level! A letter cannot purport to do that and will not suffice! The Secretary to the Military Board is an office within d army, a few uncouth officers plotted and executed a coup against another uncouth and power-hungry army officer like themselves and u honestly believe he should require so called seized documents from the Secretary to the Military Board? On what basis? Besides, whose duty is it to secure said documents from the Military Board? Did he suddenly lose the urge to 'keep them safe' according to you? Even after retirement?

wordcat:
With all these Achievements and Awards from the well respected Nigerian Army, somebody in his right senses is still talking about SSCE.

How possible is it for him to get to rank of a Major General in the Nigerian Army without a base i.e an O level or its equivalent

You ask how a person which such achievements would not have a base ie O'level but u don't bother about why he can't present this basic requirement and make 'us' all proud as d fine and upstanding citizen he's holding himself out to be? The possibility of rising to that level without requisite academic qualifications was very high and if care is not taken ie, if the truth isn't established quickly enough, it's all going to come down like a pack of cards, very hard too!

barcanista:
My dear, which principal will write letter of attestation for a student that didn't graduate? This is pure common sense. The electoral act is asking whether or not a candidate is educated up to secondary school level. The letter from the principal Seal the Deal...
Buhari never said he "deposited" his document with the Military, he said it is with them. They toook it illegally, they should explain Better

Come to think of it, if I am to follow your line of reasoning, it means Buhari was already in the Army and in power b4 IBB's crew ousted him...that's a given. So, how did he get into d army in the first place? On the strength of a letter?! Come on! I did say that having his documents seized cannot be that it was deposited nicely for him with the Military Board. Why then does he assume that is the case? Knowing he is bound by oath, he ought to have sworn dem missing not with the Military Board. Did the office of d Secretary to the Military Board officially request the documents he refers to from him?

barcanista:
What indictment? I see no indictment but vindication. The army clearly admitted receipt of letter from his school principal. Abi no be who go school de get recommendation?
Also, buhari shifted his originals to the military because they ransacked his house and carted away with everything including toothpick in 1985.

Uh, barcanista, I'm sure you realise a letter from a Principal does not mean a student graduated from said school. I'm certain you're aware that a letter is no certificate and that means ab initio, he ought not to have been recruited on the strength of a mere letter only. You must also know that having his documents seized during d military era does not translate to having such documents nicely deposited with the Secretary of the Military Board!
I'm assuming u know all of these so it can't be that I'm giving u too much credit.

Is this for real? It would be a major indictment!

Is this for real? It would be a major indictment!
But is it a crime to aspire for higher or equivalent certificates as the incumbent? At least university degree na or any higher institution weda polytechnic, COE and co? Kai! Why are some happy to regress and step lower all for "CHANGE"? Are we that desperate? Don't we have better in Nigeria? It's so sad that we have expended so many resources dragging O'level matter and most, if not all of us arguing on this forum have gone beyond clear and evident O'levels o! What about international perception and image? Don't we care about that? Diction and comportment? We can do better than GEJ and far better than GMB!

While we're at this, can we also consider implications of having or not having the required number of credits including Maths and English, that qualifies anybody for employment, further education in higher institutions, etc?

My question is, assuming GMB does have a WASSCE certificate out there somewhere and someday it is seen by d general public because it has become a matter of public discourse, and it does happen that he did not pass the requisite number of subjects with d required basic credits, does such qualify as being educated up to school cert level? Considering that proof of education is passing examinations set on the subjects of his education?
Can his employment by the Army be called into question on the basis of not passing basic exams?

Oduduwaboy:
Abi o!
The position of the law is that he who asserts must prove...it is the PDP that must prove that Buhari became an officer in the Army under the british without requisite qualifications; e no concern us!

Winston Churchill sef no get school certificate for Britain and na im win Hitler war for dem!

Sai Buhari!!!

Please don't misunderstand wat the burden of proof means and entails. Essentially, he who asserts must prove. GMB has consistently asserted that he possesses education up to senior secondary certificate level, the burden is on him to prove said assertion as required by law. Nobody has gone on oath to state that GMB got into d NA without requisite academic qualifications, it is mere speculation arising from the failure of GMB to discharge the burden placed on him by reason of his assertion on oath.

munex007:
What's shameful there?

The certificate was lost during the IBB military Junta..We have all something in life due to one circumstance..Dats the reason he has been using Affidavit in Lieu....He his not perfect

Its pathetic that we have easily forgotten the sacrifice this man gave for this Nation during the. Chad terrorist invasion,the civil war..He was a Gallant commander during shagari era..

He was there in the war field protecting the country he love when most of your fathers were hiding under the table


I can't blame Femi go research about his Father Remi he was a traitor to Awolowo....Integrity his something that's non -existent in ther bloodline

How do u know it was lost during d IBB coup? The only truth before us is d affidavit he swore under oath, that it is with the Secretary of the Military Board. Or did he lie? That would amount to perjury!
He would have been better off declaring it lost in his oath than telling INEC and all Nigerians that the certificate is in existence, available and within reach but he's either just too lazy to secure it from his previous place of work or he doesn't give a flying fvck about constitutional/statutory provisions.

Na wa o! Must everything hit d news? if u feel he's bn abandoned why not keep quiet n play it close to your chest? If there's any advantage to be gained, u exploit it quietly n smartly not come on air to give voice to every thought, observation n imagination. Immediately I saw d caption of this post I knew it was going to be a classic case of the foot-in-the-mouth disease....

Jesusloveyou:
u have just answer urself,d constitution says educated to this level,not d paper,but educated to ssce level.anytime they ask,if d student is educated to 400 level,he will simply say yes,and d electoral act go further,swear an oath if u are truly educated to 400 level,and d record is in d sch to know if d guy swear falsely.case close.beside did d army says buhari did not meet pre-requisite?

Interpretation! The law is to show proof that he's been educated up to a level. You cannot build something on nothing. Even d law will not allow ds person dt gained admission 'somehow' till 400level to use it as a cloak for fraud or benefit from his fraudulent act. It is so serious dat even if he fully graduated n acquired a degree certificate, upon discovery of fraud at admission level, the school can and will withdraw that certificate.
The bottom line is if he asserts that he has been educated to O'levels, he is statutorily required to show proof. And that is by his certificate.
Proof of purchase is a receipt so also is the proof of education at any level a certificate

lofty900:
today I saw a 2 yr old child operating an ipad and taking pictures, who taught him? kids of nowadays are smarter than u think. they learn faster so its possible 4 d child 2 knot a noose around her neck and kill herself just like d movies

The noose ish na negative smartness o! Na wa! well I'm sure all those things are on d internet... all dem 'how to do dis and dat' searches. Seriously though, I'm still trying to imagine a 6-year old knowing to 'end it all' by hanging herself...too many unanswered questions....

Is it a six-year old or a teenager @op?
What can push a little child like this to suicide? How does she even know she can kill herself with a rope? How is she able to fashion a noose at her age? So sad...may she RIP

teemanbastos:
AGE is nt a factor in Love.

Love?! I assume you're being sarcastic! Where she know am from wey she start to love am?

Na wa o! Please we do not want a proliferation of underage exploitation in the name of marriage. Some people in their gullibility can chose to ape this style. The Child's Rights Act will not matter cos again we are already confronted with a blatant disregard for statutory provisions regarding qualifications...

Mubarack44:
we are northerners let me attest to you Buhari haters
we the youth of North we didn't challenge people's general those that are behind this are not truly a northerner. their just campaigning for pdp I guess.

Buhari/osinbajo 2015

So it is a tribal and ethnic based issue then? SO because they are calling for a clarification of a fundamental issue, they are not true Northerners. Hmmm, so u now get to decide the true origin of people on the strength of supporting Buhari...

timmydavids:
I think we should all forget about all this certificate distractions and focus on rellevant issues towards the election and wat each aspirant can bring to the table.

This is like asking a person to forget about laying a foundation and just move on with the construction because people are getting buffeted by storm, rain and harsh elements. How does such a building stand? And for how long? The same people you are in a hurry to protect and provide for will curse and hate you more when it all comes down like a pack of cards. It is a fundamental issue before whatever he has to bring to the table can be considered. Even if he has mouth-watering and totally feasible plans, if the proper foundation is not laid and he's found wanting, what then? The foundation is key.

kunle2471:
Haaa! This is too bad olisa agbakoba. Are u saying that affidavit is no longer acceptable in Nigeria? May be he has another constitution apart from 1999 one. They should go to court and stop this childish talk. Well, when he took up appointment with Jonathan on sure-p I know he has sold his human right activists garment. Thank God they can't change the constitution. The same affidavit deposed by Sambo is correct while the one deposed by Buhari is not correct. Whatever qualified sambo qualified Buhari. Shame on olisa shame on u ozhekhome. What legacy do you want to leave for young lawyers come behind. Its people like these that always draw us back whenever we want to move forward in this country. They should go n create ABN like Arthur Nzeribe like some people did during June 12 crisis. But this time around they won't have their way.

An affidavit is a statement of fact/truth on oath. The purpose of an affidavit in the present issue is, in the event of your inability to comply with legal provisions and attach evidence of the basic academic qualifications prescribed by law, to clearly state reasons why you cannot do so. The Army has clearly stated that they have copies of credentials of present and past officers and upon application through the proper channels, copies will be made available. So his credentials are in existence, within his reach. Why then can he not provide them? Sambo's affidavit stated clearly that his docs were consumed in a fire so it is humanly irretrievable. There were also supporting documents form reliable authority in his schools confirming his attendance and graduation. Why does Buhari not have same?
These are lawyers with the highest honours in Nigeria ie SAN...if they do not know the intricacies and working of the laws, I don't know who does!
Saying GMB rose through the ranks and became General makes it impossible for him not to have a certificate of basic studies is funny. Where is proof? That is the issue...the law does not work on conjecture and assumptions but on evidence.

As it is, the Presidential election is clearly b/w GMB and GEJ. So let's balance d 'prayers' and ask that the lives of APC supporters be like the North that has bn in power for abt 40yrs and are clamouring for a return.
Can we have dem AMENs please?

jamace:
Taaa, withdraw that lame excuse. For your information, our daddies (who are educated) follow rules more than us.

Chei! see as u tell am 'taaa' like small pikin...lol. Nice!
Daddy ko! Elders ni! They, d educated ones that is, are more methodical, painstaking and detailed than we are sef. At least I have one, also a septuagenarian , for a father!

barcanista:
Bros, it is like you are missing the point. Anybody can fill but not anybody can sign a document. Buhari may only be allowed to sign. The Aide may be a close friend or something who may not necessarily be on the employ of the general. What is competent or incompetent in having a personal person that takes care of personal stuffs? The information provided are correct so what is the fuse my oga? Honestly, we have no case against the general.

Don't make it look like the 'amiable General' is an invalid and 'may only be allowed to sign'! Meaning he can't read or write for himself? Or someone will stop him from doing so? Or if he knew better he wouldn't have corrected the error? It is an affidavit on oath that he is the said person vying for an office...the buck stops with him.

Collynzo9:
That means Buhari has no idea what it means to employ competent people and he doesn't know what supervision or inspections is.
Is that how he wants to rule Nigeria?

Hmmm...one should ordinarily supervise with some knowledge or idea of what he intends to supervise and that is why Nigerians have asked for evidence of basic knowledge but alas! that request has been difficult to meet. If it is not with d Military Secretary, it's IBB's coup members that seized d documents. I wonder though, if d latter were to be d case, why then did he 'lie' on oath? Abi d Secretary to d Military Board was one of d soldiers dat raided his house then?

Let's keep watching...wetin dem wan carry our eye take see.

barcanista:
Petty of TANists... How sure are you that Muhammadu Buhari filled the form himself or one of his aides did it on his behalf?


Grow up OP

It is an affidavit so he takes absolute responsibility for every detail there. if for any reason there's any falsehood that amounts to perjury, he bears d brunt fair and square. No aide will answer for him, same as if any benefit accrues from it.

So many election prophecies! People don't have to lose their lives no matter the results but unscrupulous and hopeless elements always cum around to play God, messing with lives they couldn't create in d first place!