₦airaland Forum

highheybee:
You guys really love telling lies....check that yourself

This is what the media says about Nairobi
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/10/africa/nairobi-africa-intelligent-city/

Nairobi was the only African city to appear on their shortlist of 21 hubs throughout the world for 2015.
Intelligent Community Forum co-founder Robert Bell says: "We see a strong foundation being put into place [in Nairobi]: sensible, pro-growth government policy, a more diversified economy, and an innovation ecosystem of startups, international companies and universities.

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000189220/nairobi-city-ranked-among-top-20-successful-cities-globally

Nairobi has been ranked among the top 20 most successful cities in innovation, liveability and capacity to reinvent itself. According to a report by the City Momentum Index (CMI) complied by a professional services and investment management company (Jones Lang LaSalle), Nairobi has been ranked position 11 among the top 20 cities. London, Silicon Valley and Dublin were the first three cities with Melbourne, Seoul and Auckland being the last three in the top 20.
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000189220/nairobi-city-ranked-among-top-20-successful-cities-globally

http://www.travelstart.co.ke/blog/15-best-cities-live-africa/

Had it made it to that top league, the Kenyan capital, ranked tenth overall, would have qualified for the next round, in which world cities will compete for the 2015 Intelligent Community of the Year Award.
Intelligent Community Forum co-founder Robert Bell said, in a statement, that Nairobi made it to the list because of its level of innovation.
The opening up of communication, especially through the fibre optic cable and a widespread use of mobile money transfer services, especially M-Pesa, were among Nairobi’s strengths in the rating.

highheybee:
You guys really love telling lies....check that yourself

Your "beautiful"l Lagos

Lagos ranks world's 3rd worst city to live in - Vanguard News
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/08/lagos-ranks-worlds-3rd-worst-city-live/

A report released yesterday by The Economist Intelligence Unit ranked Lagos as the third worst city to live, maintaining its position at the lowest rungs of the Global Liveability index.
The city placed 138th out of the 140 cities ranked in the latest liveability survey, just above war-ravaged Tripoli and Damascus .

Hehehehe....... it was placed below war ravaged Tripoli. I guess Mogadishu Somalia, Aleppo, Sanaa and Baghdad.

Read more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/08/lagos-ranks-worlds-3rd-worst-city-live/

highheybee:
You guys really love telling lies....check that yourself

So who is really lying here....

https://www.nairaland.com/3465911/33-states-cant-pay-salaries#51045741


Akwa Ibom reportedly placed last on the table of ability to meet monthly recurrent expenditure commitments followed by Bayelsa, Oyo and Osun, said BudgIT.

Other weak states, according to BudgIT are
Ogun,
Plateau,
Delta,
Kwara,
Adamawa,
Abia,
Benue,
Bauchi,
Jigawa,
Kano,
Cross River,
Kogi,
Imo,
Ondo,
Nassarawa,
Yobe,
Kaduna,
Ekiti,
Sokoto
Borno and Taraba.

Zamfara, Gombe, Anambra, Niger, Katsina, Ebonyi, Edo and Kebbi were classified as states with fair shortfalls.

Ollysaks
Oxtonguy
Henrydone
Beremx
ATERI

gustav25:
What will it cost to travel from abuja to lamu island Kenya and accommodation prices ?

Accommodation depends with where you want to book... Location is key. Within town centers its a little expensive but at the outskirts its much cheaper.
Nairobi- from $15-25 or more depending on taste
Mombasa- from $15-25 or more depending on location
Lamu mainland- $10-20
Lamu island- fluctuates due to tourists numbers-$25-40

gustav25:
What will it cost to travel from abuja to lamu island Kenya and accommodation prices ?

Abuja to Nairobi- $510 by Ethiopian airlines
Abuja to Mombasa-$585 by Ethiopian airlines
Nairobi to Mombasa- $15 by bus
Mombasa to Lamu town mainland(Mokowe)- $5 by bus
Lamu mainland to Lamu island- $10 by ferry or more on speedboat

adegeye38:
Nigeria is the only country in the world with our gdp still has power issues.
even most countries in Africa have solved their power issues, long ago, and we have all the necessary resources in Nigeria, Coal, wind, solar, hydro, gas, name it but corruption wont allow.
imagine, a country of over 170 million people producing around a meager 3000 mw, while south africa produces, about 30,000 mw for a country of 50 million people, even Ghana that depend on gas from Nigeria enjoy 24 hrs power supply, its shamefull.

The power grid ought to be de centralized , solar and hydro in the north, coal in the south east, gas in the south south, wind turbines and gas in the south west.

Your local state government should take the initiative and introduce alternative electricity sources.

GIGAWATT GLOBAL- SOLAR SYSTEM

Gigawatt Global has succeeded in financing, constructing and interconnecting a $23.7 million or 8B naira solar energy plant producing 8.5mw constant electricity supply in a village in Kenya. Gigawatt smoothly and swiftly brought the project online to give Kenyan villages enough grid-connected power to supply 15,000 homes. The solar system comes with a complete connection to every household including meter readings, installed cable line etc

asuustrike2009:
The sun in Kenya is terrible that they even launched solar phone

What? Can you come out clearly!!!

Angelinastto:
Why in kenya? A mistake or something?

The same thing i have been asking myself, spelling check!!!

LightYagami:
in kenya we dont have zoos
she is in a park

Thats not a park, its the Nairobi animal orphanage.... Abandoned animals or destitute ones that are affected from bigger national parks are brought to be cared for before being released back.

[quote author=nonjebose post=50944476]The answer to your question is simple. Generator importation is big business for the cabal holding the nation by her jugular[/quote

The government should apply different tactics to cater for the Nigerian nations desire..... Lamu, Kenya which is an island in the indian nation has 24hr electricity from fuel generators. 2 huge generators with one always on standby runs the entire island which is a tourist resort popular with European billionaires.

My town Ngong has a wind power project that is stable that produces 24MW... the excess consumption is fed to the national grid. The last time i saw power blackout was around February this year for 5hrs when it was under maintenance.

Gkemz:
Don't even mention it because for the past 6months getting to 7month we've not had light except gen set which we have to lay back on as alternative

I dont know why Nigeria hasnt used its natural resources and mother natures provision to its advantage.... The Kenyan government relies heavily on natural solutions to cater for the expanding power needs.
1. Geothermal power production- The biggest in the world Ol-karia geo plant
2. Solar energy in Turkana Northern Kenya
3. Wind power in Ngong Hills Kajiado
4. Hydro Electricity in 7 folks dam

naijalander:
-- I have tasted Changa'a. (only tasted) and it is indeed a terrible liquid to fill your stomach with.
-- Used to attend Blankets & Wine quite often
-- Also club hopped Westlands every weekend
-- Kisumu, Lamu, Nyeri (did some work in Nyeri), Mombasa, been there done that.


That should define the extent of my social integration within Kenya properly.

Hopefully you are convinced now, I do have a lot of Kenyan friends I have these kinda arguments with but you guys set a different standard on being closed minded.

If your claim is to be believed then you probably wouldnt be bad mouthing a country that has educated, fed, provided shelter, security and comfort.
You will also agree with me that what you found 10 yrs ago is a total transformation of what is their currently in Nairobi and Kenya in general.
1. Thika super highway was non existent
2. Nakuru dual carriageway
3. SGR(Standard gauge railway)
4. Dual carriageway (Northern corridor) Nairobi-Moyale-Turbi highway

Henrydone:
Your claims are dump and sick,u just fabricate them to make a point.Kenya a small landmass compared to Nigeria yet has more doubled slum than Nigeria with more people living in the slum, and some of ur country folks come here to claim socio-economic development.Until those socio-economic start affecting the life of majority kenyans blokes stuck up in slum, and kenya one of the smallest country in africa stop having the biggest slum in the world then i will be convince all ur claims are not chinery titivation aimed to gimmick the gullibles.

A TALE OF POOR SOUTH KOREA & RICH KENYA-1960S
I don't know why we are even arguing over whose poo is the smelliest, the entire thread was meant to show the progress if any of the 2 countries in terms of social-economic policies implemented in the last 20yrs. Let me give you a little history of Kenya and South Korea in 1960s.
In 1962 when Kenya was clamoring for self-rule from the colonial government, South Korea was facing acute starvation and the poorest Asian country at the time. In 1963 the situation for the 2 Koreas was so dire that South Korea had to go borrowing food from foreign countries as a matter of urgency. The new Kenyan leadership by then came to its assistance and gave $10,000 dollars & food rations to its then leader Park Chung-hee which was repaid 3yrs later. In 1962 the Korean leader had launched an ambitious plan by the tag "Economic development plan". The program was an ambitious 30yr blueprint of rapid social and economic push that ended up making South Korea an Asian tiger and being inducted in 1996 as part of the G20 countries.

KENYAS FALL
The Kenyan government at the time had a steady fall from grace to grass due to political upheaval and confined social-economic activities tied to political turmoil within and around neighboring countries. Thou Kenya maintained its East African superiority the raging civil wars in Uganda where there were 3 coups, Rwandas genocide, Burundi civil war, DRC civil war, Angola civil war,Somalia civil war, Sudan civil war, Ethiopa Oromo civil war & Tanzanias hostility towards EAC. This neighbouring countries that surround Kenya were all in war thus creating a foul economic reality that destabilized the Kenyan economic status to its knees.

KENYA VISION 2030
After the clamor for multi-party democracy in the 1990s the first opposition party clinched the leadership of Mwai Kibaki in 2002. He launched an ambitious "Kenya Vision 2030" Development blueprint similar to south Korea. The Kenyan government under his leadership moved to revamp the biggest infrastructure program tarmacking 10,000km of road. Within his term Kenya enacted a new constitution that devolved resources to the lower apex of the societies. The expansion of several airports to establish Kenya as the biggest air travel hub and many more.

KENYA'S FOREIGN POLICY
The Kenyan government knew the key to strengthening its economic superiority was channeled to both its internal and external policies to its neighboring countries stability. Kenya went into Somalia to dislodge Al-shabaab and install a powerful Somali led government. The current South Sudan country was successfully formed thanks to Kenyan supported peace process. Kenya has launched a visa free policy to all east african countries because of the huge diaspora foreign africans in Kenya.

seangy4konji:
Any NL guy in Nairobi next weekend who could host

Thou am in Eldoret town 164miles from Nairobi i would gladly host you in my town complete with free accommodation and meals... Its 4hrs by road or 35min by plane from Jomo Kenyatta airport. By road you can use shuttle bus services which is 800ksh or 2,400 Naira where you will get to see one of the best natural phenomenons like Lake Naivasha, Lake Elementaita, Lake Nakuru & Mt Longonot with one of the best smooth highways. By plane it costs around 5,000ksh or 15,000 naira including a return ticket to Nairobi. If you will be capable just inform me. KARIBU KENYA, HAKUNA MATATA.

Henrydone:
Don't mind that dude ,he's just been controlled by emotion,he's an unrealistic fella

Did you forget to atleast be honest to the other Nairalanders and actually tell them what else is going on the aforementioned slums. Or you dicided to be blind to the Kenyan government efforts to rid Kenya of the slums and install infrastructure and basic amenities!!! THIS IS AIMED AT ACHIEVING VISION 2030.
KIBERA SLUM UPGRADING PROJECT

Henrydone:
Your claims are dump and sick,u just fabricate them to make a point.Kenya a small landmass compared to Nigeria yet has more doubled slum than Nigeria with more people living in the slum, and some of ur country folks come here to claim socio-economic development.Until those socio-economic start affecting the life of majority kenyans blokes stuck up in slum, and kenya one of the smallest country in africa stop having the biggest slum in the world then i will be convince all ur claims are not chinery titivation aimed to gimmick the gullibles.

Courtesy wikipedia
80 percent of Lagos 25m population lives in slums or poor areas of towns.
Lagos poorest Slums in Population of 2006
Agege- 500,000
Ajegunle- 555,000
Amukoko- 200,000
Badia- 160,000
Bariga-190,000
Bodija- 100,000
Ijeshatedo/Itire- 170,000
Ilaje- 150,000
Iwaya- 140,000
Makoko-150,000
Mushin- 160,000
Oke-Offa Babasale- 150,000
Somolu- 120,000

Abuja Slums population
70 percent of Abuja's 1,235,880 population lives in slums or poor areas of towns.

naijalander:
I think if Nigerians are comfy with Naija being a shithole, you wouldn't find so much criticism online and offline to use against me in this argument. Half of your sources are articles written by Nigerians themselves. See why I said you aren't objective?

Kenya too as a country has its critics in the name of civil society.... They prey on the poor to advance their agenda of milking western countries in terms of NGO funding potraying a negative social spectrum. But we as Kenyans dont sit back waiting for manor from above to change the situation in the past 20yrs. A lot of changes economically, socially and politically have happened that has reset the course of Kenya's stators as an emerging developed country.
1. Advent of multiparty elections
2. Change of the constitution to enable a free society
3. Setting of the vision 2030 blueprint of the country
4. Massive infrastructure overhaul and expansion
etc

Donexy16:
Nice one. Lagos is fast turning into a modern city that can compete with the likes of Johannesbourg and Alexandria.

Hehehe.... you must be smokin prohibited substance.

naijalander:
Very well noted.

Please don't get me wrong. I love and respect how accommodating and liberal Kenya society is, what I do not love and respect is using said qualities to demean a densely populated, horribly administered yet promising society and conservative society for the sake of continental relevance. Kenya is a part of Africa, Nigeria is also a part of Africa, Africa is a complete shithole so why compare my shithole with yours?

From my view one is has rendered itself satisfied with it being a shit hole(Nigeria), while the other is making an effort of cleaning its mess. Thats where the difference is.....

Firefire:
Buhary again... I will make 1$ = 1NGN...

Even the #Somali shilling is also gaining against the dollar, nothing to write home about...... Naija is a banana republic

naijalander:
Point number 1 is funny coming from a guy from a people well known for their alcoholism and debauchery, not that I have anything to explain to you but I'd rather not, believe what you want, it's your brain not mine.

So it is fine for you to high light only the good parts of Kenya but comfortably skip the good things about Nigeria, I fear for you. And yes my swah is pretty good actually.

Finally, before you make comments about BH or Al Shabaab, maybe do your research well into the root causes to BH for example. If you must know BH also uses Guerilla tactics that's why fighting the is hard. In fact most arrested members are actually citizens of Niger Republic not Nigeria. Nigeria is complex for sure so you may find it difficult to understand the reason why this argument was even worth having in the first place.

I have to admit, am exhausted with this argument.

Everyone has a right to pride in his or her nationality. Nigerians feel superior, that's where our exceptionalism comes from, I am the greatest, I said that way before I ever was the greatest. That should summarise this debate.

Speaking of culture, Naija is conservative, Kenya is quite liberal. I'll go into details later.

I think the only consolation you have got in terms of superiority complex is the general population of Nigeria which has kept the common Nigerian to believe that it is a parameter of measuring "greatness". India has a populace of 1B with a GDP of 2.3 trillion, Singapore has a population of 6m with a GDP of 500b. Does that make India delude itself into calling itself a giant in Asia at all, NO! Indians dont use their population to bully other Asian countries due to huge population, NO.
My argument is that Singapore has a much more dynamic social-economic policies compared to India and most Asian neighbors with the exception of South Korea, Taiwan and Japan. Population or GDP base cannot be of any use if the general effect does not trickle down to strengthen infrastructure in a country.

seangy4konji:
No. I was in the airport.i am going there for three days next week so will enter the Tientsin and see the city. Nice place though and people I met.

Hahaha... you are very much welcome. I suggest a few spots you might find interesting like Nairobi national park, Animal orphanage, night clubbing, Nairobi bird watching, visit Karura forest waterfalls & lots of activities.

seangy4konji:
I just left Kenya today and it's a nice place.

Warning to people going there. If you take old 100 dollar notes. They accept it. You might get stranded.

Nice people though. In midrand South Africa now.

Hope you got an opportunity to visit outside Nairobi.

naijalander:
Alright guys, this argument has gone on waay too long so I have a confession.

Quick background, I did school in Nairobi, I went to St. Christopher's in Ngong Rd then to USIU.

Over the years, I have always thought Kenya is a more comfortable place to live in for one reason; stable electricity.

So my final take is this;

Forget the stats about imports or exports o GDPs or Slums, Ports, Projects, etc

If you have ever lived in both countries (for an appreciable number of years, which I have), this conclusion should not shock you.

Kenya has stable electricity, Nigeria doesn't and its killing our way of life, our economy even our politics.

Otherwise, I sincerely believe Nigeria has a much more stronger institutions than Kenya, its just what it is.

Can you just for the sake of it tell us which of this "institutions" you mean are for the sake of other Nairaland users. We will really appreciate the information.

Gallivant I love your determination... lovely.

MtuMsuper:
Waache pupa. Tutawabana full. Njooni huku nyie wana JF tushambulie hawa dogo, wametuzoea

Nashuku hawa watu wako na biz chafu wanataka kuleta nchini... Hawa watu inastahili wajue hatupendi ujinga.

PORT INFRASTRUCTURE BETWEEN KENYA & NIGERIA

Courtesy wikipedia

KENYA- Handling capacity- 8.5m tons
Mombasa has the only commercial port that reaches international standards and the second biggest in Africa. Mombasa's commercial port is called Kilindini Harbour and is run by the Kenya Ports Authority, it lies on the Indian Ocean. It consists of 19 berths, 2 oil terminals/jetties, 1 bulk grain handling berth and 4 container berths with the capacity to handle 180,000 containers at any given time and 12 general berths for cargo.

There are building another international port in Lamu to the north east of Mombasa.

There is an inland port at Kisumu which serves Lake Victoria serving Kenya exports to Northern Tanzania, Uganda, DR. Congo, Rwanda and Burundi.

All the 3 ports enjoy 100% access via Road and Rail and Air transport. It boasts of the newly constructed SGR(standard gauge railway) that was recently built that can handle both human passengers and cargo.

NIGERIA- Handling capacity-5.75 million tons

The Nigerian Ports Authority (NPA) is responsible for managing Nigeria’s ports, some of which have fallen behind international standards in terms of the quality of facilities and operational efficiency. Recognizing that the government lacks the funding and expertise to modernize facilities and run the ports efficiently, the NPA is pursuing partial port privatization by means of granting concessions to private port operators. Under the terms of concession agreements, the government would transfer operating rights to private companies for a finite number of years without forgoing ownership of the port land. Nigeria’s principal container port is the port of Lagos, which handles about 5.75 million tons of cargo each year. The port, which consists of separate facilities at Apapa and Tin Can Island, has a rail connection to points inland. Port Harcourt, a transshipment port located 66 kilometers from the Gulf of Guinea along the Bonny River in the Niger Delta, handles about 815,000 tons of cargo each year and also has a railway connection. Both ports are not only responsible for Nigeria’s seaborne trade but also serve inland countries such as Niger and Chad. A new port is under construction at Onne about 25 kilometers south of Port Harcourt. Relatively modern and efficient terminals managed by multinational oil companies handle most oil and gas exports.

KENYAS HEALTH SECTOR COMPARED TO NIGERIA

Courtesy Wikipedia
Kenya’s health care system is structured in a step-wise manner so that complicated cases are referred to a higher level. Gaps in the system are filled by private and church run units.

1. The governments pays for all maternal delivery in all public hospitals
2. Children below 5yrs are given free treatment in all public hospitals
3. All district hospitals in the country provide free treatment & offer subsidized medicines
4. Kenya has the highest number of referral hospitals(97) in Africa, 2 biggest national referral hospitals in East & Sub-Saharan Africa
5. Kenya has 47 cancer centers based in all county's through the National government-County government health partnership
6. Free Tuberculosis treatment in all public hospitals
7. Free vaccination for all citizens in all public hospitals

Litmus:
Truth is, there are Nigerian experts capable of all the infrastructural developments going on at Eko Atlantic except maybe for the dredging and ocean protection walls. And i am even on record for advocating that Nigeria hand over any meaningful developments projects intended for Niger Delta to foreigners -some of whom have the most imaginative ideas for future urban development. It is not that Nigerians are not capable but because Nigerians right now politically and ethnically don't trust themselves and because, frankly there are better abroad. I am not one for self deceit or lies. We live now in a world where expertise can be viewed in modular terms. The British employed the former Canadian economist and finance minister for Governor of the bank of England. Nigeria could conceivably do the same because of the neutrality this would provide but not because we don't have financial experts.

Kenya on the other hand simply does not possess the in dept native expertise that Nigeria has, please let us not deceive ourselves. Nigerians exits that are capable of building echo Atlantic except for the wall and dredging. It's just that Nigerians would not trust them to (). And we have the wealthy Native people to fund equivalent projects if they so wish. Lebanese are welcomed but not necessary. Nigeria has the Native (meaning black people)doctors capable of any surgery any native Kenyan is capable of and also those their Indians and Arabs are capable of too. I so happen to like Kenyans, Ugandans and Ethiopians but the truth is Kenya relies heavily on Indians and Arabs. The difference is that Nigeria can do without Lebanese and Indians, we have the black expertise in almost every field.

I haven't bothered to look, but if i do, i bet there would be Indians and Arabs lurking behind those Software developments in Kenya of which they are so incessantly verbal. Nigerians on the other hand, in the next decade, will be equal to the best the world has to offer.

I dont know what illegal substance that you are using boy!!!
Anyway just to enlighten you an African proverb says "A boy who has never gone beyond his fathers farm will always believe theirs is the biggest"...... Those "indians or Arabs" you are suggesting are Kenyan born, raised and go through the same curriculum as other "native" Kenyans. An arab family with ancestors living in current day Kenya since their migration in the 16th century are found in Lamu island, Mombasa city, Malindi town, Watamu etc or the indians in Nairobi, Eldoret town, Kisumu city & Mombasa are descendants of 1800s of first indian settlers have integrated with the natives and intermarried. Kenya has one of most diverse ethnic groups in the world which consists of Nilotes, Bantus, Cushites, Arabs, Asians and semites. Most of the Indians or Arabs are bi-lingual speaking several native languages including the national language Kiswahili. In leadership we have both Indian and Arab elected leaders from different areas where they are not even a majority.

Banee:
Obafemi Awolowo university teaching hospital complex did this in the past,the outcome was superb.check your fact well.

Which part of "East Africa and sub-saharan Africa" is hard to digest? Maybe you just chose to assume that part, it isnt a competition anyway.