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A40:
That one no concern me. Jerry Stackhouse was a 14-3-2 guy. Don't come here and cap like he was some star when he arrived Dallas.

Luka literally has to win a chip or force a Game 7 in the finals to have done more for the Mavs than Dirk in 10 years.

All NBA is not a team achievement

Brunson and Dinwiddie is better than Stackhouse, Josh Howard, Jason Terry?

A40:
Lol. Are you serious at all? You do realize Dirk got to an NBA Finals and won 67 games as well as league MVP in that timespan right?

I have not seen Luka play with a talent like Jerry Stackhouse or Jason Terry. Or are you going to say that any of his teammates so far are as good as any of those guys.
Dude just got him 3rd first team all-nba nod in 4years at the stacked guard position.

donlittle25:
Having to bring Luka back in because lead is shrinking. I swear to God, Dinwiddle gives me HBP

After someone will come here and say the Mavs team is at the same level as the GSW

Android22:
lol

Curry took 2 games from The San Antonio Spurs. In game 1, he dropped 44 and Pop decided to box and one him. That same SAS team absolutely destroyed Lebron and the Heatles 4-1 in the NBA finals in one of if not the most 1-sided NBA finals in modern history.

You people's nonsense is not new here.

Another lie, that Spurs team lost to the Heat. Also, you know what, after trapping him he had 22pt, 16pt,22pt, 9pt and 22pt in the next 5 games to lose the series.
If any of Doncic or even Tatum posts any of these numbers in a series and loses, you will kill them. Tatum had a 10pt outing the other night and people were questioning whether he was a superstar or not.

Roland17:
There are too many false narratives I have lost count. On Doncic he is a heavy post up player because of his size against other guards and some wing players. He recognizes this advantage and utilizes quite often. More so, opponents are wary of doubling him when he posts under the paint because of his passing. I think, it’s one reason I get frustrated with him when he moves away from it in search of the 3 ball.

With that being said, Doncic still has a long way to go before I can entertain comparison against the Chef/ Jokic..I have been on record here saying Doncic needs help because he is playing with a bunch of scrubs/ nobodies but the Mavs tactics of having 2 PGs and shooting 3s is catered towards Doncic after they lost Porz. While this may be an unpopular opinion, I think Porz would have given the Warriors nightmares in this series and counter what they are doing with Looney. Not saying they would beat the Warriors with Porz but it would not be as easy as it has been.

Porz cannot stay healthy, that's the issue, in the bubble they were killing the Clippers with him on the court and you know what happened, he got hurt again. You can dream up all the match ups you want that Porz can help with, but the key is he will probably not be healthy enough to even suit up to play.

PS: With due respect to Steph, he has only ever made the playoffs 2x in his career in a season where no other player on his team was an all-star, and in both seasons he won only 1 series. So the fact is Steph, like any other winning player, has had a lot of help to facilitate his winning

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/playtype-post-up/
That is a list of the post up plays per game in the playoffs. It just shows people don't watch games and just start regurgitating narratives. Using Klay as an example of post up player is a blasphemy

donlittle25:
That man is 6’7 lol. with shoes probably 6’8. when his threes are not falling, i expect him to eat from the post against guards, I mean barbecue but he doesn’t.

Watch post up games of Klay then go back and watch doncic. For a guard with that height, i expect him to be taller

Magic Johnson himself does not post up more than Luka. He posts up more than any wing player in the nba today as a PG and you say he should still do more. If 2s, 3s and 4s are posting up less than him, that alone should tell you what is going on

donlittle25:
The discrepancies between the 1st and 6 is almost 10 lol. That should give you an idea.

1 to 5 are centers,

Skrrrrrrr:
If he moved better, quit ball hogging and iso ball, he could create better looks for them and maybe they'd shoot better. Spencer is averaging 20ppg.

How is he ball hogging when Spencer and Brunson are both averaging 20pts. Please try and make sense. Just say you're looking at boxscores instead of watching the game and let's end this farce

Android22:
Is he the first person to face a trap? Is that not Currys life?

When curry faced a trap, he lost

Android22:
lol. You don't know who are talking to. Draymond 3× DPOY? That is news to me.

So when someone is a great shooter it means all star selection? Steve Kerr, Tim Legler and co did not get the memo then. Lol

Which of the people list is a shooter, Ben Wallace,Mutombo, Rodman

Android22:
I am pretty sure even Kyrie will have some highlights of posting up players. Just like McGee and Howard have made 3 pt shots. That does not mean they have it in their repertoire. I hope you get it.

Oga Luka has the best post game of any wing player alive today. Name name let's people judge. he was killing the runners up for DPOY in the post, a 7ft center and ever single member of the Suns apart from Javale in the post

Thanos:
Jokic is a center for crying out loud!!! He is supposed to have more post ups than doncic. Doncic cannot post up? Why am I even continuing its discussion. Yo u are beginning to sound like a livescore merchant. Forget about the games, do you even watch highlights? Na was. You are saying all doncic does is penetrate a pass out to the winds. What else is he supposed to do? Does he have a decent center to run pick n rolls's with. Mavs play a five out system, he does what is expected of him. Jokic does what is expected of him in the system nuggets play. So what you are saying makes no sense. So doncic should play differently form his teams tactics so he can validate himself in your eyes as the better player? Abeg...

The guy actually sat down and typed that Luka cannot post up players,
Either he is a troll or he does not games at all

Android22:
You choked game 2 because the Warriors are playing better than you. Nets also led Celtics by 15 or so in game 2 and still lost. Is it by shooting 3 pt shots without knowing you will drop down to the mean? Did Luka not see his team losing? What did he do about it?

What is he supposed to do when they trap him, if it's not to pass. Is it his fault that when he passes out of a double team, his teammate fail to make the shot. Or will he pass and also shoot at the same time

Android22:
Was Draymond not a role player? When Steph was out was Draymond not the laughing stock of the NBA? When did Wiggins do anything of note for GSW without Curry playing? What about Klay? I hope you can see how you made my points for me. Curry helped all those people get the all star selections they got. Without him, they were all treated as bad to mid players.

Green is a 3x DPOY,if Draymond is a role player then Rodman, Ben Wallace, Mutombo are all role players.
Now it is Steph that helped Klay get all-star selection, so Klay is not one of the 5 greatest shooters ever? Please Fera God

Android22:
Luka is not a more versatile scorer than Jokic. Luka is almost a 1 trick pony. Jokic can post you up, shoot the mid range, 3 pt etc. Jokic is a more versatile passer. Luka's passing game is predominantly collapse the defense and pass to the wings. If they make the shot, good or else nothing. Luka is just expected to score more than Jokic and he does it which is why he is great. If you want to talk about a wobbly roster, then you can make the argument for Jokic which is why he is the MVP. Until then, Luka is still up and coming.

Oga you do not watch games at all. Saying Luka does not have a post just shows you don't watch basketball. Luka that was backng down a 7ft center does not have a post game. Oha fear God

People can revise history no be small. I am hearing mamba mentality up and down. Show me where Kobe made it past the 2nd round with Shaq or Gasol with all his mamba mentality. Same Kobe that lost a finals to Billups and co, don't even get me started abeg

Android22:
Who are the 4 all stars? Your own previous posts on this matter will be your judge.

Klay, Steph, Green and Wiggins. Have all been Allstars in this league

Android22:
Of course I am not arguing Jordan should have beat the 69 win Celtics with that roster. But I can guarantee you that the Bulls of 91-93 if somehow taken back in time to play that Celtics team would still have lost if MJ was shot hunting like he used to do before Phil. My post was not to undermine Jordan nor to big up Phil, it was to show that scoring 40 and 42 points of ISO- HEAVY basketball does not constitute to being better than the other player who is doing 31 and 32 points. You have to look at the whole scheme and story to see what is truly going on.

The team in 91-93 had better players, that is why they won, Phil has never won without MJ, Shaq or Kobe in his team. That tells me it's not just his system, but also the caliber of players he had.
As for the Mavs, have you actually watched any of the games, or are you just reading box scores. Every single player on the Mavericks apart from Luka is a role player and that is a fact.

Android22:
I might be histrionical but the Mavs will be leading the series. We have seen these things so many times. All of your pundits gave the Mavs 5 or 6 to win the series. They are down 3 now and of a sudden they don't have a roster. What a load of tosh.

One guy has a team with 4 Allstars and the other has a team with 1 allstar and all of a sudden his team is better. GSW has 3 players on a Max or super max contract, mavs have only 1. Poole has who is the 6th man has a better contract option than the mavs 2nd best player in Brunson . So all of a sudden the mavs are better
Get out of here with your crap

Skrrrrrrr:
My friend shut up.
Until Luca wins a title, a scoring title, an unanimous MVP, he has not done anything.
For now, Luca is only a prospect who has achieved nothing. Infact he is still way below Dirk nowitski in the Dallas hierarchy.
BTW, I was talking about this series where he is minus 20. You guys came into the series claiming the white boy is the best player left in the playoffs. Now he is -20, has a lower FG%, lower 3pt%, and is about to get bounced.

He has done more for the Mavs in his first 4yrs than Dirk did is his first 10yrs with the team

Android22:
Absolute nonsense. If Phil Jackson had not changed Jordan's way of playing he would still have put up big numbers and lost in the playoffs to the Pistons and Celtics alike. His way of hunting his own shots was never going to make his team a winning one and Jordan adjusted. Then swapping Luka with Steph and the Mavs would be leading 3-0. How you affect winningness is not the shots you took or the points you garnered but how you got those points whilst maximizing the talents or lack of it around you. Without Steph's gravity, every body else on that GSW roster will play far worse than they currently are playing but we saw the Mavs roster play better against the Jazz without Luka. I won't even touch the completely bogus point about the GSW roster last season. That does not qualify as a basketball take.

So if we swap Luka with steph, the Mavs will be leading 3-0? Good one

PS: MJ got swept in 86 not because of Phil, but because his team was not good enough, heck Pippen had not even been drafted yet.
As for Phil Jackson, show me a team where he has won without having 2 all-nba caliber players. He his like every other great coach a product of the talent he had to work with.

Thanos:
1- Basketball is the game of Hot tajes so I’ll oblige. Only during Luka’s rookie season was Steph above him in anything, since then, Luka has shown, and proven to be the better player. This is not a knock-on Steph, it’s just the reality. When Steph was asked to do more with less, just this last season, he put up otherworldly numbers only to be bounced in the play-in. The exact same situation Luka is in now, only that the baby Goat against all odds, managed to drag this sorry ass excuse for a team to the WCF.
2- Ya'll need to stop with the Jayson Tatum over hype. This man was drafted into one of the best-run organizations. Has been coached by some of the league's brightest minds, and has a team that is expected to make a run at the championship every year since he got to the league. Yet nothing to show for it. I put it to you that if JT had been drafted by a Cleveland, Kings, hell, even my Mavs, my man would be another Bradley Beal. A decent player putting numbers on a below-average team whose yearly target is to make the playoffs and get bounced in the first round. The kid is a star but is too inconsistent now to be called a superstar.
3- If you are a gambling man, few websites have the Mavs winning these series at +63 points. You are all about to witness the start of the greatest basketball story ever told. MAVS IN 7!!!!!

Thank you, sometimes when I hear people talk, I wonder if they are watching tennis or golf.
This is a team sport, and they is nothing no one player can do if the other team is way better.
MJ has the highest points scored in a nba playoffs game at 63pts, but you know what, he not only lost that game, he was swept in that series. I watched KG go 3 straight years in his prime without making the playoffs, was that because he was not one of the best 5 players in basketball or because his team was just crap.
You swap Luka with Steph for both teams and the Mavs would have a worse chance of winning 1 game, than they have now.

PS: Steph team last year was not worse than this Mavs team and they couldn't even make the playoffs

A40:
False equivalence. In the real world if your employer is paying you and you don't have to show up at work are they really derailing your career? I'm sure everyone here would gladly take $28m to not show up at work. Plus if you don't show up at that work doesn't that leave you time to do other stuff?

These guys are simply far too well compensated for you to bandy that line. Who is going to agree to a buyout for a John Wall or Al Horford? What was their market and who agrees on terms? Did you see any team hustling for John Wall?

There goes that phrase they are well compensated. They are compensated because they are the product and they drive revenue.
As Shaq put it, for anyone who is giving me a 200mil contract that person is making 10x more from me.
I don't hear anyone giving the excuse that even though Simmons did not play, the sixers ownership never lost a dime due to his refusal to play.

birdman:
E better pass WCF, we go manage am like dat abeg.

Where are the dodos annointing Luka as the next Lebron, best player left in the playoffs, etc Lol

I have a question, does losing a series mean a player on the losing side cannot be the best player?

A40:
They're getting paid regardless. There's a difference

So just because they are getting paid, the team has the right to just derail their career because they want to tank.
Professional sports is just like any other profession, this archaic attitude that it is a privilege is laughable.
Just as no one expects any top Professional in any field to just down tools and not work for any reason and still expect to get paid, also no one expects a professional to accept becoming redundant because they are getting paid, but somehow when it comes to athletes, people have that inexcusable cop-out "they are getting paid ", so what?
You cannot make rules for them and not for me, if you don't want to play a guy, either trade him, or agree to a buyout.
If the league will insist on earn as you play as they should, then it has to be bilateral.

Mark Jackson, just made a great point, when the next CBA happens and ownership brings up the case of Simmons and Kyrie (rightfully so), the issue of sitting guys who are willing and ready to play also has to be addressed. Horford, Wall and many others who were willing to play have been deprived of that opportunity because the team wanted to tank for picks

A40:
Lol. Which kin series be this

Both teams are just erratic

donlittle25:
na so we almost waste dirk. i they wonder if any top free agent they available.

Assinn, Dirk was taking paycuts for years and they kept paying scrubs to come play with him.
I just hope Luka gives them 7 years, if they don't get him the bona-fide wingman, the boy should move

A40:
Marcus Smart doing a Paul Pierce

Momentum is a fickle thing in sports. Smart coming back in just energizedthewholebuilding

A40:
Butler out. Be like Smart sef don break something. What a series man

Assinn, the level of swings no be small

Butler out for the second half. Celtics have a huge chance hear