Android22:
lol. You don't know who are talking to. Draymond 3× DPOY? That is news to me.

So when someone is a great shooter it means all star selection? Steve Kerr, Tim Legler and co did not get the memo then. Lol

Which of the people list is a shooter, Ben Wallace,Mutombo, Rodman

Android22:
I am pretty sure even Kyrie will have some highlights of posting up players. Just like McGee and Howard have made 3 pt shots. That does not mean they have it in their repertoire. I hope you get it.

Oga Luka has the best post game of any wing player alive today. Name name let's people judge. he was killing the runners up for DPOY in the post, a 7ft center and ever single member of the Suns apart from Javale in the post

Thanos:

Jokic is a center for crying out loud!!! He is supposed to have more post ups than doncic. Doncic cannot post up? Why am I even continuing its discussion. Yo u are beginning to sound like a livescore merchant. Forget about the games, do you even watch highlights? Na was. You are saying all doncic does is penetrate a pass out to the winds. What else is he supposed to do? Does he have a decent center to run pick n rolls's with. Mavs play a five out system, he does what is expected of him. Jokic does what is expected of him in the system nuggets play. So what you are saying makes no sense. So doncic should play differently form his teams tactics so he can validate himself in your eyes as the better player? Abeg...

The guy actually sat down and typed that Luka cannot post up players,
Either he is a troll or he does not games at all

Android22:
You choked game 2 because the Warriors are playing better than you. Nets also led Celtics by 15 or so in game 2 and still lost. Is it by shooting 3 pt shots without knowing you will drop down to the mean? Did Luka not see his team losing? What did he do about it?

What is he supposed to do when they trap him, if it's not to pass. Is it his fault that when he passes out of a double team, his teammate fail to make the shot. Or will he pass and also shoot at the same time

Android22:
Was Draymond not a role player? When Steph was out was Draymond not the laughing stock of the NBA? When did Wiggins do anything of note for GSW without Curry playing? What about Klay? I hope you can see how you made my points for me. Curry helped all those people get the all star selections they got. Without him, they were all treated as bad to mid players.

Green is a 3x DPOY,if Draymond is a role player then Rodman, Ben Wallace, Mutombo are all role players.
Now it is Steph that helped Klay get all-star selection, so Klay is not one of the 5 greatest shooters ever? Please Fera God

Android22:
Luka is not a more versatile scorer than Jokic. Luka is almost a 1 trick pony. Jokic can post you up, shoot the mid range, 3 pt etc. Jokic is a more versatile passer. Luka's passing game is predominantly collapse the defense and pass to the wings. If they make the shot, good or else nothing. Luka is just expected to score more than Jokic and he does it which is why he is great. If you want to talk about a wobbly roster, then you can make the argument for Jokic which is why he is the MVP. Until then, Luka is still up and coming.

Oga you do not watch games at all. Saying Luka does not have a post just shows you don't watch basketball. Luka that was backng down a 7ft center does not have a post game. Oha fear God

People can revise history no be small. I am hearing mamba mentality up and down. Show me where Kobe made it past the 2nd round with Shaq or Gasol with all his mamba mentality. Same Kobe that lost a finals to Billups and co, don't even get me started abeg

Android22:
Who are the 4 all stars? Your own previous posts on this matter will be your judge.

Klay, Steph, Green and Wiggins. Have all been Allstars in this league

Android22:
Of course I am not arguing Jordan should have beat the 69 win Celtics with that roster. But I can guarantee you that the Bulls of 91-93 if somehow taken back in time to play that Celtics team would still have lost if MJ was shot hunting like he used to do before Phil. My post was not to undermine Jordan nor to big up Phil, it was to show that scoring 40 and 42 points of ISO- HEAVY basketball does not constitute to being better than the other player who is doing 31 and 32 points. You have to look at the whole scheme and story to see what is truly going on.

The team in 91-93 had better players, that is why they won, Phil has never won without MJ, Shaq or Kobe in his team. That tells me it's not just his system, but also the caliber of players he had.
As for the Mavs, have you actually watched any of the games, or are you just reading box scores. Every single player on the Mavericks apart from Luka is a role player and that is a fact.

Android22:
I might be histrionical but the Mavs will be leading the series. We have seen these things so many times. All of your pundits gave the Mavs 5 or 6 to win the series. They are down 3 now and of a sudden they don't have a roster. What a load of tosh.

One guy has a team with 4 Allstars and the other has a team with 1 allstar and all of a sudden his team is better. GSW has 3 players on a Max or super max contract, mavs have only 1. Poole has who is the 6th man has a better contract option than the mavs 2nd best player in Brunson . So all of a sudden the mavs are better
Get out of here with your crap

Skrrrrrrr:


My friend shut up.
Until Luca wins a title, a scoring title, an unanimous MVP, he has not done anything.
For now, Luca is only a prospect who has achieved nothing. Infact he is still way below Dirk nowitski in the Dallas hierarchy.
BTW, I was talking about this series where he is minus 20. You guys came into the series claiming the white boy is the best player left in the playoffs. Now he is -20, has a lower FG%, lower 3pt%, and is about to get bounced.

He has done more for the Mavs in his first 4yrs than Dirk did is his first 10yrs with the team

Android22:
Absolute nonsense. If Phil Jackson had not changed Jordan's way of playing he would still have put up big numbers and lost in the playoffs to the Pistons and Celtics alike. His way of hunting his own shots was never going to make his team a winning one and Jordan adjusted. Then swapping Luka with Steph and the Mavs would be leading 3-0. How you affect winningness is not the shots you took or the points you garnered but how you got those points whilst maximizing the talents or lack of it around you. Without Steph's gravity, every body else on that GSW roster will play far worse than they currently are playing but we saw the Mavs roster play better against the Jazz without Luka. I won't even touch the completely bogus point about the GSW roster last season. That does not qualify as a basketball take.

So if we swap Luka with steph, the Mavs will be leading 3-0? Good one

PS: MJ got swept in 86 not because of Phil, but because his team was not good enough, heck Pippen had not even been drafted yet.
As for Phil Jackson, show me a team where he has won without having 2 all-nba caliber players. He his like every other great coach a product of the talent he had to work with.

Thanos:

1- Basketball is the game of Hot tajes so I’ll oblige. Only during Luka’s rookie season was Steph above him in anything, since then, Luka has shown, and proven to be the better player. This is not a knock-on Steph, it’s just the reality. When Steph was asked to do more with less, just this last season, he put up otherworldly numbers only to be bounced in the play-in. The exact same situation Luka is in now, only that the baby Goat against all odds, managed to drag this sorry ass excuse for a team to the WCF.
2- Ya'll need to stop with the Jayson Tatum over hype. This man was drafted into one of the best-run organizations. Has been coached by some of the league's brightest minds, and has a team that is expected to make a run at the championship every year since he got to the league. Yet nothing to show for it. I put it to you that if JT had been drafted by a Cleveland, Kings, hell, even my Mavs, my man would be another Bradley Beal. A decent player putting numbers on a below-average team whose yearly target is to make the playoffs and get bounced in the first round. The kid is a star but is too inconsistent now to be called a superstar.
3- If you are a gambling man, few websites have the Mavs winning these series at +63 points. You are all about to witness the start of the greatest basketball story ever told. MAVS IN 7!!!!!

Thank you, sometimes when I hear people talk, I wonder if they are watching tennis or golf.
This is a team sport, and they is nothing no one player can do if the other team is way better.
MJ has the highest points scored in a nba playoffs game at 63pts, but you know what, he not only lost that game, he was swept in that series. I watched KG go 3 straight years in his prime without making the playoffs, was that because he was not one of the best 5 players in basketball or because his team was just crap.
You swap Luka with Steph for both teams and the Mavs would have a worse chance of winning 1 game, than they have now.

PS: Steph team last year was not worse than this Mavs team and they couldn't even make the playoffs

A40:

False equivalence. In the real world if your employer is paying you and you don't have to show up at work are they really derailing your career? I'm sure everyone here would gladly take $28m to not show up at work. Plus if you don't show up at that work doesn't that leave you time to do other stuff?

These guys are simply far too well compensated for you to bandy that line. Who is going to agree to a buyout for a John Wall or Al Horford? What was their market and who agrees on terms? Did you see any team hustling for John Wall?

There goes that phrase they are well compensated. They are compensated because they are the product and they drive revenue.
As Shaq put it, for anyone who is giving me a 200mil contract that person is making 10x more from me.
I don't hear anyone giving the excuse that even though Simmons did not play, the sixers ownership never lost a dime due to his refusal to play.

birdman:


E better pass WCF, we go manage am like dat abeg.

Where are the dodos annointing Luka as the next Lebron, best player left in the playoffs, etc Lol

I have a question, does losing a series mean a player on the losing side cannot be the best player?

A40:
They're getting paid regardless. There's a difference

So just because they are getting paid, the team has the right to just derail their career because they want to tank.
Professional sports is just like any other profession, this archaic attitude that it is a privilege is laughable.
Just as no one expects any top Professional in any field to just down tools and not work for any reason and still expect to get paid, also no one expects a professional to accept becoming redundant because they are getting paid, but somehow when it comes to athletes, people have that inexcusable cop-out "they are getting paid ", so what?
You cannot make rules for them and not for me, if you don't want to play a guy, either trade him, or agree to a buyout.
If the league will insist on earn as you play as they should, then it has to be bilateral.

Mark Jackson, just made a great point, when the next CBA happens and ownership brings up the case of Simmons and Kyrie (rightfully so), the issue of sitting guys who are willing and ready to play also has to be addressed. Horford, Wall and many others who were willing to play have been deprived of that opportunity because the team wanted to tank for picks

A40:
Lol. Which kin series be this

Both teams are just erratic

donlittle25:
na so we almost waste dirk. i they wonder if any top free agent they available.

Assinn, Dirk was taking paycuts for years and they kept paying scrubs to come play with him.
I just hope Luka gives them 7 years, if they don't get him the bona-fide wingman, the boy should move

A40:
Marcus Smart doing a Paul Pierce

Momentum is a fickle thing in sports. Smart coming back in just energizedthewholebuilding

A40:
Butler out. Be like Smart sef don break something. What a series man

Assinn, the level of swings no be small

Butler out for the second half. Celtics have a huge chance hear

A40:
Classic case of pennywise pound foolish. Cos they signed Grayson for 2 year 20million

He just played the last year of his rookie deal at 4mil plus the 2yr/18mil they signed him on is a 3yr/22mil deal, which is nearly the same yearly average as what Tucker signed with the Heat at 2yr/14.4 mil.
But I think the main reason was they did not want to pay the luxury tax this season, which was stupid because of them being defending Champs. The idea that ownership is unwilling to pay the luxury tax for a championship team is just aka-gum and cheap

A40:
Bucks really missed PJ Tucker mehn. What was their idea behind letting him walk and replacing him with who? Fvxkin Grayson Allen

Ownership were trying to be cheap, no 2 ways about it

etidy:

Klay will be 33 years next early next year, players at this age don't just get back to full speed after 2 major career threatening injuries back to back. The Old klay is gone, although he can still be a meaningful contributor.

The old Klay is the one that scores 30+pts and takes just 7 dribbles, guys like that age very well

The Celtics have 6 players who received votes for the nbas all-defense. A testament to how good they are on the defensive side of the ball

etidy:

Maybe you should read chats and check names when commenting. I have never said curry should be traded, maybe someone else said that.

But as things stand, either klay, draymond, Wiggins and Poole has to be traded.

Poole is just 22yrs, in his third year in the league and rapidly improving. Losing him will be tantamount to okc losing James harden, that will be a big mistake.

Wiggins play a role where very few players in the league can fill, he's also the warriors best perimeter defended, has no ego and has age on his side, so he's probably worth keeping.

When Klay gets back to full speed, Wiggins will basically be the warriors version of Dorian Finley Smith with maybe better handles and lesser defensive ability and versatility. DFS is on a 4yrs/55mil contract recently inked while Wiggins is on a max deal. So they can definitely replace what he does at a more cheaper price.

steady986:


Didn't he attempt like 50 shots in that game?

Something his fans will never remember. Don't get me wrong, Kobe is an all time great, in my top 10 all time in fact, but I actually watched the guy and maybe it was because I was more of a fan of the Spurs way of playing basketball, that I am able to put his greatness in perspective.
As an aside, just finished rewatching game 4 of 1999 Spurs vs Lakers playoffs, and I just remembered how ineffective Kobe was in that series. I say this, just because I will always be a believer in giving young guys time to figure it out, all because I have seen other greats also take time before they got to the top of the mountain.

PS: The next season the Shaq & Kobe 3peat domination of the league started.

etidy:

Maybe you should read chats and check names when commenting. I have never said curry should be traded, maybe someone else said that.

But as things stand, either klay, draymond, Wiggins and Poole has to be traded.

Poole is just 22yrs, in his third year in the league and rapidly improving. Losing him will be tantamount to okc losing James harden, that will be a big mistake.

Wiggins play a role where very few players in the league can fill, he's also the warriors best perimeter defended, has no ego and has age on his side, so he's probably worth keeping.

Wiggins is overpaid for the role he's playing. The use is on a Max contract and is basically a 3nD guy on the team, so if they are looking to move off someone to reduce their wage bill it will probably be him

Roland17:
Have the san Antonio Spurs missed a chance to replace Popovic by allowing Ime Udoka join my Celtics?

In retrospect, do you think they regret it?

Personally I think the time line did not just match up. Also for Ime, the Celtics is probably the best first job opportunity he could have had, because the talent was already mostly in place, he just had to take them to a another level and he has done that.

Who is the guy who wanted to hand Poole the key to the franchise again?

Blueelf:


It's a lie. It is your ilk that question taytum

I once said taytum is a superstar and you and A40 lambasted me. That was 20 games into the season if I remember correctly. So don't act like you always supported the guy

Me question Tatum, the same person who has only Luka ahead of him in players under 25. Tatum only issue is that he as the superstar still needs someone else to set him and the rest of the team up, and we can all see the difference between games 1 and 2, with Smart on the court and him not being there.
As for the beginning of the season, go look at his game, apart from play making Tatum coming into this season had one other big knock and that was shot selection and during the first 20 or so games he was still forcing things, as soon as he accepted his limitations and allowed smart to become the PG, not only did his shot selections improve, also his percentages on tough shots also went up.