kabe1:
Right wing, Racist groups in Ukraine. Part of the reason for the current military invasion of Ukraine by Russia.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy910FG46C4

SIGHHHH..... I've tried to post smth twice on long standing reasons for the endless wars in the Caucasus but I suspect filters are blocking me.
Pls Google Caucasus wars to see the wider picture. Starting in the early 1800s they variously involved all the Indig people, Russians, Iranians, Greeks and even Germans! There was endless conflicts, insurgencies, civil wars and true genocides for generations. It seems the Caucasus people NEVER went 5 yrs without fighting.
A total of 10 mn died between then and this latest outbreak. Imo the usual factors for war eg, possession of gold, oil, uranium etc, etc aren't at play and it could be a specific socio cultural subset of behaviours or smth encoded in their DNA.

GeneralDae:

These are the top ten businesses in Nigeria controlling the Nigerian economy. Do you see Stallion there or any Lebanese Company?

The metric was specifically contribution to the exchequer: both were top.

GeneralDae:

The fact that they could build a whole village by just being salary earners in Nigeria across various sectors (while not even being amongst the top business owners in the country) shows you how big the Nigerian economy is. It's thesame reason why a Nigerian can pay 15000 pounds to send his/her child to the UK or 20000 dollars school fees to the U.S. Many Nigerians were also high earners but all of these was probably 6-10 years ago and beyond.

Ohh fk off! Even by the typical standards of this place that's a mentally challenged statement.

Mkenya2019:
Your country need prayers. If you check any road circuit video of kenya - you can see the cars are newer - not south africa new - but decent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLyTfpHl9ig

Speaking of which rmbr our driving in the 90s? I was a regular on Nakuru highway and rmbr once crawling along a typically foggy July morning tailback near Kijabe. Suddenly a bus with full lights horn blaring passed me so close in oncoming traffic I felt the slipstream.
That was normal Benways bus style! Those guys were MENTAL!? IIRC they'd race with competing Obuya bus ro Kisii 450 km to Kisii. Sometimes the turnboy would drive, goddammit! THIS was the era bus crashes would kill 30-40 every 6 months and even 80-90 in at least one horror smash a year

I was overjoyed with the Michuki rules.

The rules which came into effect in February 2004 required all public taxis ("matatus" and buses to install speed governors, passenger safety belts, operate in clearly defined routes, to carry a specified number of passengers and their drivers and conductors to be disciplined and to have a clean security record.

[url][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Michukiurl]

You still see stupid ISHYT on our roads but not that CRAZY ishyt. Imo if half of our CSs had his productivity and determination we'd be at Saffa levels economically by now.

EVERYONE else he brought that same energy to the hotel sector and built Windsor resort. Alas! The kids have fked up that place with inheritance squabbles.

samorobo:



Lol your future looks like India. Yeah shiit holes like Kenya.

Actually there is a lot of semblance with Indian cities.

SIGHHHH! If ONLY you knew WTF you're talking about!
Who developed these aerospace craft INDIGENOUSLY? While you figure that out what proportion of US info tech is led by Indians?
On 2nd thought forget it! Your intellect will NEVER escape the toddler stage.

Mzee, look at M7! Again, I ask why are THEY like this!? Perpetually extorting forcing bullying dominating and seeking to control. Is it NORMAL?
This f'ery will NEVER end as long as Tutsi are in control.

Uganda police, army surround Bobi Wine’s home ahead of Kayunga visit
Tuesday December 14 2021
Bobi Wine and President Museveni were scheduled to hold campaign meetings for their party candidates in the Kayunga by-election.

[url][https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/news/east-africa/uganda-police-army-surround-bobi-wine-home-3652394url]

Mkenya2019:
Joburg no longer impress anybody. You slept the last 20yrs and Asian cities - including the likes of Dubais - Nairobi - are showing the world - the way to the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4TwiOX0-KU

Ahh yes, Bangkok! HAHAHAHA! Last weekend met a good pal who's just spent a month in the city and Myanmar on some commodity trading mission.
He repeated what at LEAST 4 people have told me since the early 90s. Those MOFOS CAN'T add! It's not just semi literate street people EVEN office managers and high level biz admin have trouble with simple math.
Eg, 15000 baht x 3 months + 2000 baht. I kid you NOT- they can't do that without a calculator!

No surprise the WB ranks their education system last on SEA qualitatively.

Pisa test rankings put Thai students near bottom of Asia

[url][/https://www.bangkokpost.com/learning/advanced/1154532/pisa-test-rankings-put-thai-students-near-bottom-of-asia]

That's why their GDP per capita is a modest Mexican 8k $ when it could and should easily be twice. However many observers also say Thais are way more laid back than Malays and Phlips and its actually migrant Chinese who control the economy.
Fyi, they're LOADED AS FK!!?

Ninety percent of all investments in the industry and commercial sector and at least 50 percent of all investments in the banking and finance sectors is controlled by ethnic Chinese. Economic advantages would also persist as Thai Chinese controlled 80–90 percent of the rice mills, the largest enterprises in

[url][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_Chineseurl]

Mkenya2019:
There is nothing remarkable so far - just a mini zoo - a little more functional Nigeria.

Imo semantically speaking it WOULD be MORE accurate to say " slightly less dysfunctional than Naij."
Carry on,mzee!

Mkenya2019:
BIG JOKE You LIVE IN A SICK COUNTRY. West Africa can rival Brazil - you didnt need to export slaves to work sugar plantation.


LOOK AT THE FIGURES


While Nigeria produced 41,478 metric tonnes of sugar in 1990, the figure fell to 38,597 metric tonnes in 2019. Imports rose astronomically from ...

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/456544-how-nigerias-sugar-production-collapsed-for-decades-allowing-dangote-bua-imports-to-thrive.html

Ohhh , Naij! What the ENTIRE FK!?

Post forecasts that sugar production will increase by 7 percent to 720,000 MT in the 2020/21 MY, based on an increase in sugar cane delivered to the sugar mills, better quality (sucrose content) of sugar cane, and improved sugar mill efficiencies (sugar recovery rate).

[url][https://www.fas.usda.gov/data/eswatini-formerly-swaziland-sugar-annual-0url]

Yes, Swaziland is Africa's # 4 sugar producer.

I think YOU guys should log off for a whole week and go deep 'net surfing. Discover the World via cyberspace: it's WAYYY bigger than you realise and some of us here in Africa are doing GREAT things.

justtoodark:


i forgot that....nigerians dont think that much about Dangote....

SERIOUSLY!? You guys can't fall asleep without mentioning his name from what we've seen here!

mtisTheQubit:


which light ? ..ths one bro...

Mkenya2019,I recognise what you're saying and while I don't necessarily hate gays faggotry is a manifestation of arrested development. I postd this 2 weeks ago. PC culture has avoided this facet but psychoanalysis has proved it repeatedly:

According to orthodox psychoanalytical theory, narcissism and homosexuality are strongly associated.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20063233/

The hypothesis, which is based on the Freudian connection between narcissism and homosexuality, is supported by the results, indicating that the homosexual students score higher in both measures of narcissism and lower on the self-esteem measure, compared to their heterosexual counterparts.

In any society these behaviours breed trauma, dysfunction and unhappiness which is why in normal times they were excluded from leadership and bearing arms. When these people are in power they project their pathologies upon others with the result that are world is now facing a veritable homocalypse: usury/resource rape/mass population displacement/genocide/war without end etc,etc can be laid at the feet of these people.
How many times has Bush Jr kissed a journo? Obama's true history is so well known only those in denial don't see his tendencies. Mick-Michelle was formerly the footbnall player Micheal Robinson. After WW 2 a KGB defector arrived in the West.

Klimov discovered that the Soviet system was dominated by a secret society of sociopaths bonded by a common pathology termed 'the power complex'. "This complex is usually associated with suppressed sadism, which in turn is result of latent homosexuality. Anybody who has knowledge of this forbidden area can influence and promote these leaders-to-be to position of power".

https://www.henrymakow.com/

Working inside the top secret level of the CIA it wasn't long before he recognized the same culture of degenerates operates both sides behind the scenes.

This is why mass murderers,psychos, serial killers and sadists are ALMOST UNIVERSALLY gay!? From our very own Philip Onyancha, the Columbine school shooters, John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, etc, etc it's ACTUALLY shocking!? Some estimates say as far as over half.

[url][Homosexual Serial Killers
America's Serial Killers: Portraits in Evil: Episode 6url]

Here in Africa the same pathologies are at play. The same communities displaying constant interpersonal and out group violence are OBVIOUSLY the most actively homo.

I see Binyavanga's pic and lol! As a Tutsi it's no suprise: they and Somalis had and STILL have HUGE permits of faggotry. That they have by FAR the finest females isn't a surprise.

In the old Kingdom of Rwanda, male homosexuality was common among young Hutus and Tutsis. In 1986, a 19-year-old Tutsi man was recorded as saying that "traditionally, in his tribe, there was an extended period during which boys lived apart from the rest of the village while they are training to be warriors, during which very emotional, and often sexual, relationships were struck up... Sometimes these relationships lasted beyond adolescence into adulthood. Watusi still have a reputation for bisexuality in the cities of East Africa." Tutsi boys training at court would often be made sexually available to guests. Homosexuals were referred to as umuswezi or umukonotsi, which literally translate to "sodomite".

[url][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Rwanda/url]
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I mentioned my Burundese Tutsi twin earlier. An inch shorter than I we BOTH look like Michael Johnson, ex sprinter. I found out later he was an enthusiastic male arse lover. I spent time in Juba 07 and the resident hotel homo was Tutsi.

Somalis refer to khanis, plural khanisiin, gays. Anyone in Eastleigh can tell you what they get up to on their mall rooftops, unbelievable as it may seem. Recently I was searching for a particular plot along 3rd avenue IIRC and thought of getting a birds eye view from a 14 story roof top and was STRICTLY warned by 2 guys!
I had a pal who was a paramedic in Mog' when everything turned to ISHYT in 91. He needed therapy. Apparently rape of enemy boys was so common he almost had a breakdown and abandoned his contract.

[url][https://www.nairaland.com/6550114/afaka-students-sexually-molested-gayurl]

The BH fckers ofc do the same. So, yes we had a few communities riddled with this MOST unfortunate affliction: they're still the most VIOLENT.
Guys, I tell you these people, the HOMOINTERN,Trannies,Bis et al are the source of much of our worlds PROBLEMS[b]. Obama, both Bushes, Blair, Ted Heath, Stalin, Churchill et all- that's just what they do.[/b] They're unconsciously compelled to bugger us all. Sadly, some of us aren't only blind but supporting them.
NOTHING good comes from this F'ERY.

If you disagree fine. Don't ignore the links- read twice and respond. Pls, don't JUST say ISHYT: logically convince me and change my mind if you can.

Jakumo:


I was merely making reference to the fact that without free access to powerful semiautomatic weapons, Nigeria's cult killers are not in a position to inflict anywhere near the level of carnage recorded daily in a typical American ghetto. My use of the term "angelic" was a purely comparative term highlighting the difference between the industrial scale efficiency of killing that is possible with concealable semi-auto guns, as opposed to that which is attainable with knives and cutlasses.

While America's ghetto critters and Nigeria's cult members are equally inclined to indulge in wanton senseless acts of bloodshed, my observation is that the comparative difficulty in obtaining semi-auto handguns in Nigeria greatly reduces the ability of that nation's cult gangs to emulate their American counterparts in terms of body-count inflicted.

There's a long standing agenda to entirely ban ALL GUNS from the US within ALL states. These Wild Negroes are playing into that agenda culling each other whenever they can. If you've ever been in the Mid West,Wyoming,Nebraska,Oklahoma or Southern ranching country like E Texas all ranchers are armed. They've got shotguns,handguns,rifles and even full autos-yet crime is low AF and they're all law abiding with zero tolerance for community fery!
A cuz once spent a weekend at his pal's family's Texas ranch:these photos are modest! IIRC he specifically said they owned 50+ guns which wasn't unusual. Yet,crimes or opportunity and of spur of the moment were very low. This was 05 and many residents didn't even lock their doors!
The problem isn't guns per se,but guns in the wrong hands.

Mkenya2019:
Many missed China rise.

In the other closed thread - 2016 - the first few pages

Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by MutantMetahuman: 8:35am On Sep 04, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:

Entire Kenya has 52billion dollars economy,
Lagos state alone has 92biliion dollars..

Now 5yrs later - Kenya GDP has doubled to 100B dollars.

Next 5yrs I see it doubling to 200B dollars.

And by 2030 - it will be - 350-400B dollars economy

By 2035/2040 - we are talking 600B dollar economy.

South Africa next 5yrs prognosis is to do zero growth - plus one -minus one - unless the minerals behave.

Its easy enough to understand even for the forumers here! That's China like growth right there. Ofc some are wilfully blind.

dragon2:


The Rooivalk is an example of Africa's inability to work with each other. That bird should be all over the continent as it's main attack helio. No way it would be in that state if it was the EU.
In the EU the major states would manufacture the main parts,some states, components,while others, assembly process. Our leaders are constantly measuring each other up rather than co- operating. Just pathetic. Better Denel became an African defence company that got billions in Funding and the smartest brains on the continent than let all those smart eggs disappear out of the continent. Who knows Spacex,falcon 9/ STARSHIP could have been an African project.

10 likes! At LEAST one guy gets it.

One or the advantages of small scale light inf ops like Mali apart from blooding a new officer corps and testing weapons systems and tactics is seeing how they stand up to REAL WORLD CONDITIONS.
Glossy brochures and OEM statements more often than differ from the actual!

‘

Dust & rocky roads’ made half of German combat vehicles in Mali inoperative – media

[url][https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rt.com/news/385336-german-army-mali-problems/amp/url]

Not jihadi fire as you'd think in an active warzone but more mundane factors have grounded even their CAS!

In the meantime, Die Welt also reported that the German Tiger strike helicopters, which were also sent to Mali and are meant to become fully operational by May 1, have to mostly stay on the ground, as they lack permission to operate at temperatures exceeding 43.26 Grad Celsius, while the average daytime temperature in the area exceeds 44-45 Grad Celsius.

Lurker4long you Saffas have dropped the ball! By now you SHOULD have a simpler Rooivalk lite operational. I know the Original was built to perform hot and high. I've seen or written Apaches struggle in Afghanistan due ro the altitude.

Mkenya2019:
One more compulsory watch for JustMad at 30 and other Ghanians. Ghana is way below Kenya in many things. This true from all bloggers whove been to both countries.

As regard food - I think this very true for many foreigners coming to kenya - say the same - Kenya food is not spicy - definitely kenyans do not like chilli - and so they find kenya food plain. Kenya also after many years adopted mostly asian-indian food as their own.

As a Kenyan I agree! We traditionally fear spices like the 'Rona. Our food is more bland than Ethio or W African.

Jakumo:


Some of my best friends listen to crap music hahaha. A long-time resident of Chicago originally from Nigeria tells me often that the illegal weapons in the hands of those dead-end ghetto cretins were supplied by the police, indirectly, to fuel the ghetto's internal war of attrition.

Don't know how true that might be, but the hood rats brandishing guns in the above video clips don't seem to have a care in the world about who sees them holding such incriminating evidence despite most likely being convicted felons.

True! I saw a vid last yr but can't find it now. SOP of police forces all over the US. Helps feed the private prison industry and keep the undesirable population down. A few vids on the topic.

[urlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvct5fUamTk][/url]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoFaWgcCyzY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2VobBvlsJ0

A truckload of Nikes in Chitown!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTrxCXBywNs

At the same time cops have their own gangs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7gwYbd8lHo

The thing is crime can't coexist without cop collaboration. Watching American advertising,the movies and reading their books most Africans think its all CSI NY/Brooklyn South or Hawaii 5-0. Gangstas are negro corner boys fleeing from the cops while assiduously moving ounces,keys and finally tons-like American Gangster or Power.
That BS meme is falling apart! Idk if you've noticed but lately movie makers are telling the truth about the drug game. Watched The Oath 1,Snowfall or American Made? The first 2 have active CIA smuggling while the last has official cop corruption far from the selfless warriors they're normally presented as.

Naijjans, I thought we were learning new things like the importance of stats like consumption data and the important of the PER CAPITA in all things.
WTF is your Veep Osinbajo on ABOUT!?

Vice-President Yemi Osinbajo says Ekiti state has a higher gross domestic product (GDP) than Gambia and several other African nations.

[url]https://www.thecable.ng/osinbajo-ekiti-has-higher-gdp-than-gambia-cape-verde-seychelles/url]

Ekiti’s GDP is higher than that of the nation of Gambia. Gambia has a GDP of $1.9 billion and also a higher GDP than that of Cape Verde with a GDP of $1.7 billion or Seychelles, the lovely tourist destination which has just $1.1 billion.

With a 3.5 mn pop Ekiti's GDP per capita, the ONLY RELEVANT measure is a miserly 840$ while that of Seychelles having peaked 2 yrs ago at NEARLY 15000$ is now 11400$ due to the 'Ronadrama.
Goddamnit!? If your leaders CAN'T comprehend the elementary concept of per capita formula what hope for the Abuja gatemen and ever screeching JAMB runaways infesting this thread?

Aarrgghhh! We were making such good progress!

Jakumo:
In case anyone is wondering whether all those weapons on display by America's black illiterates are for show or for the actual killing of fellow losers, check out this gunfight video from Portsmouth Virginia, where the gun-monkeys light up the night shooting randomly without a care in the world about the terrified, war-weary residents cowering in the houses all around.

It is imperative to remember that 99% of low-rise residential buildings in the USA are constructed by covering a light wooden framework with plywood sheets unto which "stucco" is sprayed to impart that plywood with an outward surface appearance of stone or concrete. Flying bullets cut through stucco wood walls like red hot knives through soft butter, killing and maiming all that find themselves within the line of fire.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y_hMK1en5M

Here is another wild shootout, probably kicked off over absolutely nothing of substance, in East St. Louis, Missouri.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roQ-ObzbDxU

New York City is of course well represented when it comes to senseless black-on-black shootings over nothing at all.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6JAn_gQAQs

An exceptionally clear video clip shows a frenzied shootout between gun-monkeys with exposed buttocks in Washington DC.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3RiJxu-yKU

New Orleans, "The Big Easy" also has its fair share of violence-loving gun-toting jobless, and illiterate gun monkeys with no hope in life.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6OcVvgzVsI

This is what you get when an entire generation of brain-dead savages refuse to become educated despite the opportunities readily available all across the USA to attend school and become a productive member of society, at no cost whatsoever. You wind up with a bunch of drug-crazed gun-monkeys proudly showing the world their exposed anuses with their trousers around their knees, all set to kill each other with gleeful reckless abandon.

Note that every single shooter in the above video clips just happens to be of black African descent, and then you will better understand why Africans arriving in America to better their lives, very quickly learn to utterly despise their "brothers" who descended from freed African slaves yet failed to grasp the abundant opportunity America offers all who are prepared to work legally for an honest living, and who are prepared to embrace peace with their own next-door neighbors.

The only good thing is these Wild Negroes have yet to learn to hold the pistol steady. Its obvious you've spent time in the US-the elements that created this situations were planned over decades involving police at all levels,ie state/city/county/national,judiciary,state and federal politicos of both parties and social engineering via media,mainly films and music- what's the aim of gangsta (c)rap?

Lurker4Long:


Saw the ICJ decision and the reaction from Mr Bucks (that's what they called Kenyatta fils at boarding school, according to a Kenyan friend and colleague who was at the same school).
This and Ethiopia hooking up with the UAE, and other happenings and suddenly East Africa and the Horn hasn't been this interesting since Bismarck and Garibaldi decided they wanted in on the colonies game.

The Lilliputians will scramble of course to google those 2 characters; their claims to Brobdingnagian status notwithstanding, ignorance betrays them.

He's called other things, trust me though the family are dollar billionaires! I laughed at that Pandora Papers B.S. exposing their 30 mn $ holding company. They're dad got at least 0.5 mn acres of prime land across Kenya. The Kenyattas own Africa's largest dairy, Brookside, 50% of our 3rd largest bank National Credit Bank Africa, much real estate and hotels.
Look at their biggest ongoing 5 bn $ real estate development:

Dubbed Northlands City, the development that is estimated to cost Sh500 billion, will occupy an 11,576-parcel of land in Ruiru – about 15km from the Nairobi city centre.

The land, which is traversed by the Eastern Bypass, is owned by the Kenyatta Family and is currently occupied by its dairy processor Brookside, and Gicheha Farm – the family’s livestock rearing business.

[url][https://www.constructionkenya.com/8326/northlands-city-kenya/url]

For your own sake when they discover what a Lilliputian is I hope you've a level 4 flak vest, Hazmat suit and high speed hoverboard !

Edit: their majority owners of the newly opened small arms factory featured here. Fyi, it sits on their land and they'll have an iron clad monopoly supplying cops and the KDF at least 10 mn $ worth of sales annually.
I'm mildly chuffed as I had and STILL have a VERY similar idea but let me not say too MUCH.
Haters are MANY here in case you haven't noticed!

Mkenya2019:
My friend, what M7 and Kagame did, is evil, but what their opponent did is also evil. You cannot see the evils of Hima-Tutsi and ignore the evils of their protagonist. Kagame grew up in refugee camp in Uganda. His family like many tusti massacred in 1960s genocide that Hutus calls Rwanda Revolution - basically a massacre of Tutsi. Those people grew with lots of bitterness - in a foreign country.

Let not get into horrific details - what Rwanda and Burundi and Eastern Congo need is closure - like btw Boer and the South Africans that Mandela undertook.

Kagame has tried in my view - with community justice - but the situation remain very dicey.

It's not easy when foreigners like you - try to poke their nose - into very complicated situations.

Here are Tutsi that for historical reason predating the Belgiums - enjoyed royal rights - against the Hutus - now facing existential threat of existence.

I have Tutsi friends from Burundi, Rwanda and Congo - they are scared - of being whipped out - by Hutus and Bantus. They stand out. They can easily be physical identified and killed.

Those guys DO NOT JOKE - and they SHOULD NOT JOKE. They joke they can be extrerminated. They fear nobody - they are prepared to defend themselves - for they now - no one else will protect - somali or ethiopia or hausa looking like people - in the middle of bantus in middle of Africa -only them can defend themselves. They go to any length to exterminate their enemies.

The JEWS face the same predicament for many thousands of years. The Jews do not joke. They do not equivocate. They simply kill their enemies.

You can rant against the Jews and Tusti - but make sure they never hear it - they will KILL YOU pronto.

For it a very complex and complicated situations with NO EASY answer. I favour Moi solution. Move Hutus to Burundi. Move Tutsi to Rwanda. Or well play time - and hope for the best.

The same situation prevails in Muslim and Christian Nigeria - SPLIT THE COUNTRY. It's irreparably damaged.

I agreed with him 110%! He also insisted on finding out who downed Habyarimana's plane and threatened to attract UN investigators coming to Nairobi " asking silly questions," rmbr?

[

b]Kenya Refuses to Hand Over Suspects in Rwanda Slayings[/b]


Defying the United Nations and the Western nations that supply Kenya with millions of dollars in aid, President Daniel arap Moi is refusing to hand over to a war crimes tribunal any Rwandans charged in the mass killings that took place in Rwanda last year and said he would arrest anyone who came to Kenya to pursue defendants.

Officials of the tribunal in The Hague said Kenya's announcement on Wednesday of its refusal to cooperate with a United Nations-created war crimes tribunal was a major setback in the effort to prosecute the Rwandans who organized and led the massacres that killed an estimated 500,000 people.

It would effectively create a sanctuary in Kenya for Rwandans involved in the genocide, many of whom already either live in Kenya or frequently pass through here and have close ties with Government officials, human rights officials say. Despite expressions of concern from tribunal officials, Mr. Moi did not back down and said the causes of the mass killings had to be investigated before any arrests could be made.

"I shall not allow any one of them to enter Kenya to serve summonses and look for people here, no way," Mr. Moi said in a speech at an agricultural fair in Nairobi. "If any such characters come here, they will be arrested. We must respect ourselves. We must not be harassed."

Mr. Moi did not seem fazed by a statement from the office of the chief prosecutor, Judge Richard Goldstone, who said that such a move was "a breach of Kenya's obligations under international law, a matter for the Security Council of the United Nations."

Reuters reported today that Mr. Moi said, "Kenya is not a signatory to any haphazard process like the tribunal. We agree we are signatories when things are organized properly.

Mr. Moi's decision will seriously affect the prospect for peace in a region torn by ethnic strife, human rights officials and diplomats say. Kenya has benefited financially from wealthy and powerful Rwandans from the previous Government who fled to Kenya when war broke out, human rights officials said. Kenya, no friend to the new Rwandan Government, has also been the scene of some transactions to rearm militias who left Rwanda. Offering protection to fugitives from Rwanda could further undercut the long-term viability of the Rwandan Government.


It will also hamper Kenya's efforts to woo increasingly reluctant Western countries to provide the foreign aid that Kenya desperately needs. Western donors critical of Kenya's worsening human rights record and slowing economic and political reforms have either suspended aid or pegged it to tangible reforms.


In the past months, Mr. Moi has increasingly accused Western nations of meddling in African affairs, and of exploiting ethnic tensions.

"Look at the Simpson trial," Mr. Moi said today referring to the verdict of not guilty delivered Tuesday in the trial of O. J. Simpson. "It's shaken a superpower. The greatest nation on earth. A racial thing has set them back 50 years, and they talk about tribalism in Africa," he said.

The massacres in Rwanda began in April 1994 within hours of the death of Rwanda's President, Juvenal Habyarimana and Burundi's President, Cyprien Ntaryamira, when their plane was shot down near Kigali, the Rwandan capital. Most of the people slain in the following weeks were from the minority Tutsi ethnic group, but they also included moderate Hutu Government officials.

Human rights and United Nations officials said the massacres were organized by the Hutu military and militias whose aim was to exterminate the Tutsi and all opposition. In the ensuing civil war between the militias and the Tutsi rebels who ultimately took power, more than two million Hutu fled Rwanda. Today more than one million Hutu are still refugees. Many of the Rwandan civilian and military leaders who are accused by human rights officials of participating in the massacres fled to Zaire, Tanzania and Kenya. And a great deal of money that flowed out of Rwanda during the war came to Kenya.


Both the Rwandan Government and world powers agree that justice and bringing the guilty to trial must come before there can be any real reconciliation or any major return of refugees to their homelands. Financially strapped Rwanda still has no functioning judiciary system, but its prisons are overflowing with more than 52,000 people. The international tribunal has repeatedly delayed issuing indictments, but last month it said the first indictments would be issued in November and the trials would begin in Arusha, Tanzania.

Kenya's role is instrumental in the prosecution. About 10,000 Rwandan refugees, mostly Hutu, live here. Mr. Moi has close ties with the family of the former Rwandan President, Mr. Habyarimana, a Hutu, who helped create and organize the militias that later carried out the massacres, human rights officials say. The President's widow, Agathe, has a home in Nairobi and even recently traveled to China with Mr. Moi.

Mr. Moi said he would like an international investigation of the circumstances behind the crash that killed her husband.

A report by Human Rights Watch said that many of these former Government and military officials were buying weapons to resupply the former military in the refugee camps. Some of the financial deals were being carried out in Nairobi. It is unclear whether the Kenyan Government has any connection with these weapons deals, officials said.

The Kenyan Government has an antagonistic relationship with the present Tutsi-led Government in Kigali. Earlier this year, it expelled Rwanda's senior diplomat here.

Referring to Mr. Moi, Alison des Forges of Human Rights Watch/Africa, said: "He has shown his sympathies with the former members of the Rwandan Government since the beginning. The international community has been concerned with President Moi's human rights record. This will raise further concerns on his seriousness to his commitments to democracy."

[url][https://www.nytimes.com/1995/10/06/world/kenya-refuses-to-hand-over-suspects-in-rwanda-slayings.htmlurl]

Vintage Moi! Yes, its a complicated situation. I'm glad the false narratives of Gourevitch's book are being challenged in the MSM after all these yrs. It was a terrible book full of the simplisms, wiki disinfo and talking points Westerners in Africa internalise. MY first time in Kigali 2001 a Hutu taxi driver checked me out thoroughly.
He twice asked me my origins and couldn't believe I was Kyuke. He severally inquired how many look like me as did the Hotel watchie. The former however admitted," dude if I'd met you here on April 94 I'd have slaughtered you myself."
I once told you Michael Johnson, ex sprinter in his younger days is my twin though at 6"1' he's 2 ' shorter than I.
My younger Somali looking sis has been there twice on medical software solutions and pissed them off by not knowing Kinyarwanda- they think she's a spy!
Anyway, it was Matiba who had close biz with Habyarimana's family. In fact IIRC she stayed at their Riara Ridge home after Juvenal's assassination.
The book is a quick read: ukimaliza tuongee zaidi,mzee.

Abohboy:


I'm not a feminist but i'm also not mysognistic and I don't see the logic in following a mysognistic religion in 2021 but to each their own and how tf am I going to get laid when i'm not even 18 yet those aren't even in my plans

You've no clue WTF you're on about! Nigga, if you ever hear queefing you'll probably call your mum to ask!?
STFU! Why are people here so supremely confident in complete ignorance?
It's abnormal!

Mkenya2019, read this book ASAP! Finally, a Westerner, one of the many " I love Kagame and all his works," brigade has written the truth confirming MUCH of my own misgivings on Tutsi misdeeds.

Just finished a great book! The true HISTORY of the RPF dating from their Uganda days. Some insights:
-at least half of M7s rebels of the NRA in the 80s were Tutsi and related Banyankole
-the area that suffered most, Luweero triangle in Buganda lost minimum 200k dead
- one of the NRM hierarchy ACTUALLY admitted they were murdered by his own to put international pressure on Obote
- Kagame may be genuinely psycho frequently publicly beating generals and senior officers gleefully warning the world of his reach after successful assassinations
- DON'T pity those RPF guys he falls out with! Their hands are equally bloody and they've massacred from Uganda to Rwanda to the DRC
- many of this erstwhile gang have admitted numerous times,"yes, we shot down the plane! Dunhh!"
- more Hutus died in April 94 as many of the "Interahamwe" were disguised RPF
- there's a long standing culture of dishonesty in Rwandese society remarked upon by everyone from Richard Burton, the first German explorer, later Belgian colonisers and observant foreigners.
- Saffa NIS on ANC orders caved into Rwanda's demands after killing Patrick Karegeya. These Tutsis even threatened the prosecutor!

Lurker4Long:




Imagine that! A military that learns from its mistakes and thereafter applies the lessons learned.

Btw, the Somali op is actually the KDF's second dance. The first was with the same Anorexics just after Uhuru. They decided to join Somalia as their N E province wherein they were at least 90% bordered Som. Kenyatta said,"feel free to leave!"
In their typically schizo way they somehow assumed they'd automatically join their cross border kin who sent arms and regular Somali army formations to fight the secessionist battle that was known as the Shifta war.
The KAF was tiny was only 6 Strikemasters some Beverly transports , no arty but for a couple of Brit WW2 4.5s a battery of 120 mms and no army aviation while 90% + of the inhabitants supported secession. It was a brutal small unit war of no prisoners (notice how Maj Hinga kept a round to avoid capture) and FINALLY after 3 or so years of failure PM Shermake signed a peace deal in N Tz.
That's why I laughed when "experts " predicted bloody failure when the KDF invaded Somalia in 2011 and doubted Kismayu would even fall. Apart from the criminally careless coy commander at El Adde in Jan 2016 who got himself and 130 guys KIA the Somali operation went swimmingly.
I tell you the West was shocked! Particularly given their own operational history in the area and Uganda's and Ethiopia's torturous experiences. The latter invaded Mog with sound and fury in early 06 and just as quickly retraced their steps AFTER provoking a combined backlash of the nascent Al Shabaab and joint newly formed anti Ethiopian militias.
Uganda landed same time and was BASICALLY pinned down in a 2 or 3 block area for 4 yrs. They only managed to recce in force out of their AO in mid 2011 with a whole battalion ! Imo, they're now taking a closer look at us. The ocean boundary dispute 50% awarded to Som by the ICJ is a warning by the TPTB . Lamu, where 60 died one June night 2014 is the lynchpin of the Africa leg of China's Global Belt and Road. It's a stone's throw from the border and must be protected- IN DEPTH! This, not tourist safety or a brass bored by peace is the real reason the KDF is in Som.
It'll be a transcontinental road/rail link with Douala in Cameroon. As you can imagine the geopolitical stakes are ENORMOUS for Kenya, countries along the route like the CAR who can escape Jean-Fraude's usury and neglect, Chadians or N Sudanese who may want a spur, reduced shipping times and traffic for the Suez....let me stop.
That's another post of itself!

Abohboy:


Why tf would I listen to you? You fucking believe in all that Zionist bullshit and new world order so if anything you know nothing

SIGHHHH....young MOFO you know NOTHING about ANYTHING! Which is why you're so full of meaningless advice for those who know better.
Iow you don't EVEN know what you don't know. I've been banned twice and I DOUBT it's the spambot so I WON'T say the J word. Here are the Randlords; the guys who pushed the Crown into Southern Africa for minerals displacing millions: guess their ethnicity?
Hint: they AIN'T Tswana/Swazi/Xhosa or Pedi. Neither are they Chinese.