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Wolves will be kicking themselves for not bringing in this guy sooner. It's already too late and they are going to lose key players so they might not even come back up next year.

popizaino:
I beg to differ the luxury is not rare. The recent crop of players are not just quality enough

There is still this luxury afforded to these players, but they do not just have the quality enough to do what is attacking enough.

Things that were done effortlessly by previous players now seems like rocket science to present day players.

For example at Chelsea i have seen Enzo Fernández having a bad touch even with minimum pressure. Can't simply turn on his marker.

I have seen enough midfielder in the age refuses to give a diagonal pass because he is unsure of himself and will resort to safe back passing.

I get your point about quality but I don’t think it’s just a drop in technical level. Even average players today are learning to be very good on the ball.


The game itself has changed. Midfield pressure today is far more coordinated and constant. Pressing isn’t random anymore like before it’s structured, rehearsed and relentless. Space between the lines is much tighter, and midfielders receive the ball with opponents already in contact range.

So what looked effortles before often came with a yard or two more space and slightly slower defensive transitions. Even when it looks like minimum pressure the passing lanes are usually blocked. Safe passing today is often tactical discipline, not fear. Teams build in controlled phases. Losing the ball centrally now can instantly lead to a transition chance because teams counter-press aggressively. The margin for error today is thinner not that the overall technical level has collapsed.

rooftops:
This stat just makes one believe football has gotten boring. Defenders are now having more passes than midfielders. There was a period in our match where Sanchez had more touches than any other player on the field.

Added to the ridiculous corner kick tactics most teams employ and lack of true dribblers, I will say football has really gotten boring

Team are now better in winning midfield battles even with average players. There was a time when a central midfielder could receive the ball, turn comfortably, and assess options. Now, with teams staying compact and squeezing central areas, that luxury is rare. The second the ball goes into midfield, there is instant pressure so instead of turning and progressing play, the safer option is often to lay it back to the centerbacks and reset. Infact Centerbacks are now more crucial in build up play than ever that's why comparing players of different era is a no no.

joseph1832:
I still wonder, even with all those big burger and money spending, The U.S have a number of L in their closet. In Libya, Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq etc. Later you see them giving big money to Hollywood to remake movies about didn't happen in those places, just to program the minds of those who don't know better.

We both know anytime the U.S enter into any crisis, they usually leave more harm and damage than what was before.

Just because they didn't achieve their objective doesn't mean they Lost. The US military won nearly every war they fought in Vietnam and Iraq. It toppled the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan in a matter of weeks.

Bombblacks:
What kind of vet doesn't muzzle a dog before administering any kind of treatment. That even looks like a bulldog.

Nigerian professionals always have no regard for safety.

AirBere:
Arsenal is the only issue there. Check the other bracket and see how tough it is for any of Chelsea, Madrid, City, Bayern and PSG to win.

If Barca cannot beat Newcastle then they deserve to be playing in the Europa league.

You are underestimating Newcastle. They are a perfect team to punish Barca highline. That's actually a very tight game.

andrewbaba44:
With what psg played both legs against Monaco ,Chelsea can win them again

You must have missed what we played against Burnley and Leeds.

afrodoc:
Luis Enrique played at RB and RWB a few times. I believe it was under LVG.

Wasn't aware. Thanks

afrodoc:
Just competent in all those positions. Versatility should be graded according to the actual quality.

Ruud Gullit played 3 positions at world class and a few others at elite level.

Luis Enrique played 3 positions at elite level and was good in a few others.

Matthaus and Lahm were world class at 3 positions.

Di Stefano was GOAT level in about 4-5 positions. John Charles was a world class CF and CB.

Milner's versatility and longevity are not in doubt though. The caveats are that his versatility was not with top quality and his longevity in actual minutes played is a little less impressive.


Ruud Gullit is the most versatile player of the modern era. 6'3 tall, strong as an ox, fast as a horse, supreme shooting and passing, aerial dominance, tackling, game IQ.

Di Stefano might have a claim since he got to GOAT level playing about 4-5 positions

I agree with most of your post.

I get the quality based argument but I think it underrates what James Milner actually did. Versatility shouldn't only be about being world class in multiple roles, it’s also about credibly performing across a wide range of positions for top teams over many seasons.

Managers trusted him in those multiple roles because he could execute the job at a high tactical level especially in an era more specialized, physically demanding where positional discipline is ruthless and mistakes get punished instantly. Obviously not as talented or world class as Guillet and others but the amount of positions he played in and did well in should put up him up there.

Ibime:
Luis Enrique who played every position except Goalkeeper, same with Ruud Gullit

The CF for Milner is a bit suspect and he can't play CB

Enrique and Gullit played every position and did it well. The only position I would rule out for Gullit is LB

I will give you gullit but definitely not Luis Enrique. Don't think he played in defense. Anyways I was actually trying to show how versatile Milner has been.

I dare you to name a more versatile player than Milner.

Kaczynski:
If El Salvador can do it, It should not be a big deal for Mexico.

You must be joking.



El salvador had big gangs. Mexico has big cartel armies with big businesses and ties with government officials.

GloriousGbola:
There is a lesson in this


All this gra gra chasing cartels is not addressing the root cause - westerners abuse of hard drugs

in the 90s the DEA scored a decisive victory when they took down Escobar. But demand for drugs remained and the Mexicans, former support for the Colombians filed the vacuum left.

Exactly.

Drug trade to the US is worth about 100 billion a year. No other industry is going to replace that income. As long as the US keeps consuming more industrial amounts of drugs, cartels will keep existing.

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raumdeuter:
My point is bullying cannot end in the world and its better you equip yourself for it

Just like bad actors and people who dont like you will.never end

There is no world where everyone likes someone

They are so many crimes that cannot end in the world that doesn't mean they are positive and should be condoned. You were condoning bullying and attributing positivity to an abusive behaviors. You call out abusive behaviors and try to stamp them out or at least create no room for it.

raumdeuter:
That is because bullying and rape are not the same and its ridiculous and outright insulting to victims of rape to equate their experience to bullying

What next murder is equal to bullying, insulting is equal to rape, words is violence

You can wish it to be the same all you want but they will still be different

Lets start from a simple question. Do you agree that bullying is a crime and a form of abuse?

abduleez1:
Which is a capital crime or felony, which isn't?

Do you agree both are crimes that should not be condoned or not. That's the main discussion here not which one is felony or capital. You don't see how attributing positivity to any kind of abuse is harmful?

raumdeuter:
All are not the same which is why they do not carry the same sentence

By admitting this you are agreeing bullying is a crime yet somehow you are telling us it's a positive behavior. The fact you cannot see the error in your thinking is amusing. You are condoning bullying because it might have a positive effect in adulthood but when the sentence is flipped and another abuse is substituted for bullying suddenly positive outcomes from it does not make it justifiable. You can't see how hypocritical you sound.

raumdeuter:
They are not the same

You can also claim that rape and stealing are the same thing.

There is a reason why rape gets a different punishment from bullying

They are all related like I showed you previously. Stealing, rape and bullying falls under abusive behaviors that harms others willingly. You excuse one abusive behavior you excuse all.

raumdeuter:
You are the one linking rape to bullying

The writer gave his own opinion you dont have to agree with it

I already showed you bullying and rape are related and they fall under abuse. Why is using rape in your example unacceptable but bullying accepted? A rape victim who also becomes successful and grew from the abuse should also mean rape is a positive according to you.

raumdeuter:
This is one person's experience

https://baacoa.medium.com/the-potential-benefits-of-getting-bullied-1279a158cf1c

So a rape victim who shrugged off the abuse and becomes successful means rape is a positive and good thing that should be encouraged?

raumdeuter:
Google it

Positives of bullying. See many studies on it

Some people have realized that life will never be perfect. You will always have people who dont like you for whatever reasons and act on it,

In an ideal world there would be no bullies, no failures no rejection no disappointments. Everyone will pass every exam, every love interest will like them back, every job they apply for will accept them etc

But reality is different

You dont actually know what you are implying so I will leave it at that.

Just send me a research link on the positive of bullying on teenagers and children. I would love to see it.

raumdeuter:
Rape and bullying are not the same

Trying to equate them is extreme straw manning

They are definitely related and follow the same pattern of coercion.

raumdeuter:
There are also research that shows failures can damage people irreparably that some schools in the west are removing grades and tests so that no one fails

There have been writings like this which I just saw by Googling Positives of bullying

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/anxiety-another-name-pain/202001/the-physiological-benefits-bullying

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9545478/

The fact you are still comparing failures to bullying is very irritating for someone who is definitely educated.


Your first link didn't work and your 2nd link said benefits for perpetrators.

Nemesis0147:
Simon should not come back for second half

As if Tottenham have players on the bench lol. Injury has finished that club.

raumdeuter:
Bullying experience can be turned into how to stand up to adversity

To show how ridiculous this comment is. It's like saying Rape experience can be turned into how to stand up to adversity therefore rape is a positive and good thing. I don't think you really grasp what you are saying or implying.

raumdeuter:
Bullying experience can be turned into how to stand up to adversity

There are people who have committed suicide by being rejected for visas, by boyfriends by jobs

Yet this week another set of human would be denied jobs visas and love

Link me a research or study that shows the positive of bullying on pubescent children and teenagers.

raumdeuter:
Can you explain the positive outcome of failures which makes people lose their self esteem and suffer severe PTSD. From exams to business to family etc

Yet failure happens everyday and can we wish it away

Same with disappointment and rejection

They are various research on the positive of failure and how it's a major component for success. Can you link any source on the positive of bullying like you claimed?

raumdeuter:
Failure makes people commit suicide and have PTSD same with disappointment rejections etc

So does that mean you wont experience this in life? And when you do, how will you handle it

Failure is not the same thing as bullying at all. Trying to draw a parallel between the two is irritating and dishonest. Failure can be a learning experience, bullying is deliberate harm. You are trying to praise bad behavior instead of addressing and stamping it out.

raumdeuter:
Is rejection, failure disappointment and all negatives acceptable? Bullying doesnt have to be normal or acceptable. The reality of life is that you will meet with unacceptable and abnormal situations in life as you go.

How much of an effect they have on you might depend on how you have prepared yourself for it

Can you explain what positive outcome bullying has for a child who loses their self esteem and goes on to suffer severe PTSD into adulthood?
There is extensive research showing the long term psychological harm bullying causes to children and how it negatively affects them later in life. If you are aware of any credible studies demonstrating that bullying has a positive impact on teenagers please provide the links.

GloriousGbola:
You are missing the point. There are bullies out there. If you have little exposure and therfore little resilience, you are a prime target for them. This can be in school, in the workplace, any where. Sometimes I have seen that people who I would not expect are bullies when they meet someone they think will not push back

I get the general point you are making. Yes the world is filled with assholes but bullying in teenagers have no positive effect or benefits. Infact people do commit suicide and have life lasting PTSD from bullying when young. Dayo was trying to paint it as some sort of positive In life when it's not.

raumdeuter:
There is nowhere you will grow up in a real society and not meet bullies

Yes most people will experience it at some point in their life. But that doesn't make it acceptable or normal. It does not help anyone become stronger from everything I’ve heard of people’s experiences. Especially bullying in school seems to have a long lasting negative impact on the person. Maybe because it’s at a critical stage in life but it always causes issues. You are trying to twist it as positive when it's not.