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You have hardcore Messi stans in Jodera, Oliverano and Andrew telling you the same thing yet you are still arguing.

kendrick9:
Yes.
Messi absolutely 100% deserved the award.

I asked you who had a better season not who had a better world cup. How did Messi have a better season than Haaland?

kendrick9:
Because for one Rodri his teammate was deemed superior than him in Europe.

Who won UEFA European player of the year award?

kendrick9:
Player of the year in England which he won didn't he?
Now if you're arguing he should have won over Messi in 22/23 then you're clowning.
Because for one Rodri his teammate was deemed superior than him in Europe.
Not participating in the World Cup and yet there are mofos who still bring up this take about Ballon d'or.

Present your argument straight not this zig zag. Are you saying for the 2022/2023 season Messi and Rodri was better than Haaland?

oliverano:
Okay 👌

You have finally rested lol.

kendrick9:
Again i want you to prove to me how Haaland is the best in the world.
You keep mentioning trebles. As if he didn't ghost in all the finals he played.
He's the best striker in the world,
Overall he's not the best player in the world.
How hard is that?

Nobody told you Haaland is the best player in the world. He simply said for the 2022/2023 season Haaland was the player of the year. You can list names of those better than Haaland for that season if you disagree. I would like you to tell us the best player in the world.

oliverano:


My position since morning, I go soon rest sha lol!

Epl top scorer, most hatricks in a season, broke epl scoring record, pfa player of the year, European Golden boot, champions Golden boot plus the Treble to go along with it and one Mofo will boldly say Haaland didn't deserve to be crowned best player of the season. Some people deserve to be slapped .

kendrick9:
Football don spoil.
How can anyone prove to me that Haaland is the best player in the world?

Your argument lack substance. The award is for player of the year. Meaning the player who was head and shoulders above everyone for the season. Tell me the players better than Haaland for the 2022/2023 season.

Haaland, Foden, Alvarez, Doku and Grealish= 46 league goals.

Palmer, Jackson, Sterling, Madueke and Mudryk= 38league goals.

Saka, Havertz, Martinelli, Gabriel and trossard= 41 League goals.

larride:
It's either you cant count or you are deliberately being obtuse. You are a walking piece of contradiction.

In my earlier post, I mentioned Murdyk, Jackson, Sterling, Madueke and Nkunku? Are you drunk that you missed what I typed before or you are bad at basic math?

If Bernardo Silva is not one of City attackers, what is he?

Is Nketiah not part of Arsenal attack?

Alaye go and sleep or go find someone to continue the merry go round with.

How can any sensible person add up Nkunku that has barely played up to 4 league games this season. Can't you see how mischievous and reckless you are.

In what way is Bernardo Silva a city attacker for Christ sake. Very soon you will call Gallagher a Chelsea attacker lmao.

Why will I add Nketiah to make Arsenal 6 while Chelsea remains at 4. Why won't six attackers get more goals than 4. Its just basic common sense.


Chief rest. You have nothing to add.

larride:
Which similar returns? You think because I didnt want to prolong this argument means you are right?

Remove Haaland City goals, City attackers Foden, Silva. Grealish, Doku and Alvarez has has 33 goals. All Chelsea attackers goals including Palmer is 40 goals. Rodri alone covers that 7 goals difference.

Remove Saka goals from Arsenal, Arsenal attackers Martinelli, Trossard, Nketiah, Havertz, Odeergard and Jesus has 39 goals. All Chelsea attackers including Palmer has 40 goals.

Remove Salah goals from Liverpool goals, Liverpool attackers Nunez, Gakpo, Daiz and Jota has 34 goals. All Chelsea attackers including Palmer has 40 goals.

Do you see where I'm going with this?

Only Man Utd has no standout attackers this season, we have scored less than Chelsea and also conceded less than Chelsea yet our GD is -1.

Go figure.

Like I said, you guys should go buy defenders next season and continue to parade attackers like Murdyk, Sterling, Madueke, Jackson and even Nkunku, we'll be back here to judge.

Stop being mischievous. Your initial post you added only 4 attackers that's why I added only 4 attackers from those other teams. Chelsea attackers are 4 yet you are adding 5 from city lol. Even added Silva to the mix lol



Arsenal again you listed 6 players to Chelsea 5 lol.


Arsenal main attackers are Havertz, Saka, martinelli, trossard and Jesus. Remove Saka goals they have 27goals combined. Remove palmer goals Sterling, Madueke, Mudryk and jackson has 23.



City main attackers are Haaland, Foden, Grealish, Doku and Alvarez. Remove Haaland they have 27goals combined while Chelsea without Palmer has 23.


You were the one emphasizing on removing Palmer goals to prove a point where as when we do the same for those other teams by removing their highest scorer, there isn't much difference between Chelsea and their counterparts. Only Liverpool other attackers are far ahead.

larride:
We played Liverpool yesterday, you played Sheffield Utd, is context alien to you? Sheffield has the worse defensive record in the league and your striker ghosted with 0 shot.

You are asking me about Amad that hasn't played a full 90mins in the league this season? E rora ma fagbo.

Go to United thread and go see how we have been complaining of both our attackers, midfielders and defenders all season long.

Anyways no long talk, next season go and buy defenders only and continue to parade Murdyk, Sterling, Jackson, Madueke in attack. Na here we go dey.

That's to show you highlighting how Jackson produced zero shots is meaningless when the team scored two goals. Anyone highlighting that part is just being mischievous. Your striker had zero shots yesterday yet your team scored two goals just like Chelsea which is the koko.



You are the one who brought removing Palmer goals and combining the rest attackers for a cheap point. We have also done the same for City, Arsenal and United and they are producing similar returns like their fellow counterparts. Do you see any Arsenal or City fans telling you their Attack is useless. Am sure if Havertz and Jesus was at Chelsea that would have been the narrative.

Attack is the best form of defense coming from the same person who castigated Pep and bravo during his first season at City telling us how Pep defensive fragility is getting exposed in the almighty premier league. You didn't remember that during that season when bravo and city defense was leaking in goals left, right and center because of Agenda. The Person that coined that Agendaland was on point.

larride:
Your attack is as trash as your defenders. If not for Cole Palmer, you guys will be battling relegation currently. Look at yesterday game, your striker had 0 shot in the entire match. What has Murdyk, Sterling, Madueke, Jackson and Nkunku offered so far in the league? Combine all their goals together and its 24 goals in 30 games. Palmer alone has 16

Your defense is also trash as they are conceding goals at the speed of light. You need better RB and CBs partnership.

Say what you want to say but both side of the argument are right. Your attack and defense are trash.

What a funny post. How many shots did your own Striker produce yesterday? How many games have Nkunku played this season.

Remove Haaland goals and add up Foden, Doku, Alvarez plus Grealish and tell me the figures. I will help you out its 27goals.

Add Hojjund, Garnacho, Anthony, Amad, Bruno and tell me the figures

Remove Saka and add up Jesus, Havertz, trossard and martinelli and tell me the figures. P.s it's 27goals as well. Tell me with epistles how it's different from the what Chelsea other attackers are producing when compared to other team.

airmark:
You see why some of you are not worth arguing with. You are not intelligent enough to win argument and would rather expose your ignorance confidently.

You lied that KDB played in Ettihad against Sheffield to win cheap points and when challenged to show proof, you started stammering.

Switch to your other monikers, this one is maimed.

When the only thing in your head is to win argument on nairaland why won't you think everyone is like you. No wonder you like focusing on irrelevancies during an exchange. The point remains the same and has never changed. . City dropped two goals on Sheffield home and away same as City. One was let down by the defense while the other wasn't. EOD.......

airmark:
KDB didn't play against Sheffield in both legs. Show me proof, liar.

You are not going to draw me into your game of irrelevancies which is your usual armor. City dropped two goals on Sheffield like we did. EOD

Funny thing is if they sterling, Jackson etc had scored hatricks and we won 6:0 or 8:0 the narrative would have shifted to they only scored against relegation candidate and plumbers from Sheffield. The performance would have still been used against them. The narrative is already set so it's pointless going back and forth. Real fans knows were our issues have been this season.

airmark:
That's how you argue blindly.

When did KDB play against Sheffield and how many minutes?

Am not the one you are going to draw in to be arguing irrelevancies which is usually your only ammunition. Kdb played be it 10mins, 50mins or 90mins. City produced two goals home and away against the same Sheffield. From here henceforth you are arguing with yourself.

We have conceded 52goals this season. Luton and Burnley who are relegation candidate have conceded 65 and 67 respectively. Do you know how insane it is to have only conceded 13 less goals than freaking Luton. How can any Chelsea fan see those figures and not see where the major issue this season is coming from. We are potentially looking at conceding 60plus goals this season. Do you know how insane that is.

nihilistjnr:
And that's why it's an incredibly lazy way of analysing football.

Sheffield united have now scored 8 goals in 4 games. Everybody who has beaten them has had to outscore them.

They led Bournemouth by 2 goals. Led Fulham by 3 goals before VAR, and were drawing 1-1 with Liverpool in the 80th minute 3 days ago.

They were even drawing City 1-1 in that game.

What everybody seems to know, except for Poch and a lot of you on this thread, is that Sheffield are terrible defensively, and so the job of outscoring them is easy.

Sheffield scored the same 2 goals against Brighton this season, and still lost 5-2. Scored the same 2 goals against Luton and lost 3-2, scored the same 2 goals against Crystal Palace and still lost 3-2, e reach our turn now, and I'm hearing all kinds of excuses as to why we can't score more than 2 goals against a team that even Burnley have given 5 this season.

Damn, how my mighty club has fallen sha.

All these are epistles. The two goals were enough to get maximum points today like City did.

airmark:
KDB didn't play and Foden didn't start, yet their best striker still scored. But your great Jackson was moving the ball away from box 6 to the corner flags, all 90 minutes, with no shot at goal.

Meanwhile, is your useless Sterling still our best attacker? Always praising wacks like they swore for you.

You are typing meaningless things. Kdb played in the first leg and they only scored twice like we did. City scored twice like we did and they didn't drop point because their defense doesn't concede like ours. Always arguing about nonsense like they swore for you.

nihilistjnr:
Halaand scored.
How many shots did Jackson have?

Nothing concern me with who scored. How many goals did city produce?

Even with how poor Chelsea was today we produced two goals which should be enough to see out Sheffield like City did but as usual our defense and defensive structure that has leaked in 52goals let us down again. We are basically starting matches 2 goals down before a ball is even kicked.

airmark:
Without their best midfielder and best striker on the field, they scored 2.

With their best midfielder and Best striker how many did they score in the reverse fixture?

Someone should quickly help us with how many goals City scored against Sheffield at Etihad.

Pulisic with his tenth league goal of the season.

Vischy:
I'm not comparing both. I'm saying winning trophies in that mancity team doesn't qualify foden as world class .

List the world class players at City.

Vischy:
Everyone can win trophies in that mancity team because it's a good footballing system created by pep.

Even kelvin Philip is a ucl and epl winner from the bench

How is Philips even comparable to Foden? Why not call Scott Carson.

hensben:
He said consistent performance and trophies make a player world class and went further to say Foden lack in consistent performance so cant be regarded as one yet but has the potential to be.

In what way is Foden not World class but jorginho is? What consistent performance did jorginho drop and list the amount of trophies he won. Whatever way you turn it his logic is still flawed. Is Haaland and Vinicius world class?

swiz123:
Who said Foden is world class? He has yet to show consistency in performance to be classified as such but the potential is there.

Arsenal have no world class player aside Jorginho. When they start winning major trophies, the consistent players amongst them will be judged as world class performers.

You are ridiculing your own logic. So winning trophies no longer makes a player world class? Your logic is neither consistent or stands scrutiny. If Saka Isn't world class because of lack of trophies then Foden should be world class. Now if you are admitting Foden is not world class then neither is Haaland as well. You see how ridiculous that sounds.


Claiming Arsenal have no world class player aside jorginho is just ludicrous.

swiz123:
Read my post calmly. I said as long as a player plays for a big team capable of competing for major trophies and fails to win anything after repeated trials, he can't be regarded as world class.

Therefore two things makes a player World class; consistency in performance for at least 5 years or maybe more and trophies to show for it.

This logic is so flawed. So because Man city have won trophies Foden is world class but because Arsenal haven't then Saka is not world class lol. You are shouting big team without winning trophies like Arsenal have been dominating for years. They literally became good last season here. Their previous league finishes was 8th, 8th and then 5th. Saliba has been world class over the last two seasons, Arsenal winning a trophy or not doesn't change that. Same with odegaard and others.

Kimbeast:
A renowned coach once said Attack wins you games, defence wins you titles for a reason. Our attack and chance creation is one of the best in the league while our defense is amongst the worst. We have only conceded 7 less goals than freaking Luton. That should tell you how pitiful our defense have been. We have watched this team on multiple occasions dominate opponents only for our defense to slip up and concede silly goals. Last season we scored 38goals in the whole campaign while we have 35goals already in 21matches which shows a massive improvement but our defense has gotten even worst. Last year we conceded 47goals, with the 31goals we have conceded already we are going to surpass that if our defense doesn't improve. Only an amateur won't see our defense has been worst than our attack this season.

ladies and gentlemen we have conceded more goals than last season with 8 games to go. This is officially our worst season in terms of goals conceded but attack is our major problem.