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shadeyinka:
It is a very very good correlation.
Homosexuality is a kind of sexual preference.
How is it different from bestiality?
Or
How is it different from Pedophilia?

In fact the only argument against pedophilia is rape of under age
personality (as defined by the law)



Let me ask you a question:
Suppose I suddenly has a preference for walking about the street naked (nudity) should it be accepted as a norm or as an aberration (mental sickness)?

Who determines that this behaviour is normal? After all, animals don't put on clothes....And it hurts no body.

If scientists say the behaviour is perfectly normal, what will be your stance on nudity in public places?

The correlation is not same cos the studies are not conclusive yet. A mentally retarded person is not the same as a person suffering from anxiety, jux cos they both suffer from "mental distress" dats why im saying there is no correlation. Lets not make it so. What makes dese you have mentioned diff, you ask? Same thing that makes murder diff from man slaughter or self defence involving killing. They all indulge the art of killing but are seen differently. You cant say, hey dey are all mental illness derefore must be treated same.

Like i said before at this point you are fighting the system....the laws laid down. And that's fine, otherwise we wouldn't have progressed as people. But im willing to bet that you wouldn't disown your friend or child if they say they were gay vrs kill any man who f**ks you little child or dog....that's the difference.

annyplenty:
Doctors are not the author of life. God is. And He is the One that gives the instructions for living life. His will his that no One should take life.

Exodus 20:13
13Thou shalt not kill.

1 Timothy 2:3-4
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Mathew 18:12
12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?

From the scriptures above, we can see that It is the plan of God to have all men live (be saved) from both physical death and spiritual death.

However, there may be a situation 'that seem' to fall in-between like the one you have raised . What we should do in such a case is to pray to God and ask for His help and will concerning the situation. You should not do it alone. Let the elders of the church pray along with you concerning the help and will of God. God will either help you and cause both the mother and child to live or cause the Holy Spirit to lead you on what to do.

It is just like you have a situation that seems like what the lawyers call 'lacuna' - a situation that the constitution does not envisage. You don't take such situations/lwas into your hands. You will still go back to the supreme court for interpretation. Holy Spirit is our 'Supreme Court' in this case. still go back to Him in cases like this. Don't take the situation into your hands.

John 16:13
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

I know you want to believe that everything works well for those who believe. But if even the apostles were subjected to terrible fates...why do you think simply praying will fix the problem? Prayer is good if it makes you an optimist. But too much of it makes u a dangerous optimist. The truth of the matter is God, whoever it may be can show his abilities through man. Doctors can be such vessels. Dont downplay their efforts. It would be great if we were not to need doctors and be healed just by praying. But its not so. So we do wat we can and hope for the best. In that instance, can you say aborting the child to save the mother is a sin?

noleflendum:
He misled millions of Christians with his fake miracles
May he be judged accordingly

No lies

shadeyinka:
In other words, I think powerful and influential lobbyists are using the medical, media and scientific communities are doing everything to legitimise a "shaky and unstable subject of justifying homosexuality".

It is actually justifying a mental illness to make it normal and acceptable. After all, what is a mental illness? It's just deviation from what is of "common sense" and "common behaviours". I believe you know that some countries legalized bestiality as ok. Very soon, such behaviours will be exported if the right lobby group with funds come along

Isnt that always the case? For every law u make someone will hate it.

Bestiality being legal in these countries is not something i will concern myself with...but if have sex with my pet, i will harm u...maybe de law will spread, but it doesnt equate it to homosexuality....that correlation is not a good one.

annyplenty:
Everything happening is spiritual. Legalizing abortion, satan will have succeeded in using everyone to kill God-given children without restraint.

Right from the Bible time till today, it has been the operations of satan to try to grief God by harming human being and especially children. Being the image of God and the best/glory of God's creation, it will pain God if any harm is done to man by the devil and even pain God more if the harm is to children because of his special love for children.

If your enemy meet your 18yr old son and slap him because he is your son, it will definitely pain. However, if he sees your 3 month old baby and give him a knock on his head, it will pain you, even more because the latter is a child. Satan understands this very well.

He tried to kill all the Israelites children during Moses birth

He tried to kill all the children during Jesus birth

He is trying to use abortion to surreptitiously achieve what he had had in operation for so long.

One of the reasons God sent Juda/Israel to 70yr captivity was because God was giving them children while they were using the children as burnt sacrifice unto the idol, Molech.

You seriously didnt answer my question at all. Read it and answer it well.

[quote author=shadeyinka post=84529251][/quote]I think you are now fighting your own battle with the law now. All things considered euthunasia is a shaky subject...due to the concept of preservation of life. If you sleep with a drunk lady and she wakes up and claims you rapwd her you are likely to lose the case. Because even though she didnt resist she was not in the right mental state to give consent. Is that sinking in? Good. Same way a dying man isnt considered to be in his right of mind to give consent cos he wants to end his suffering. i agree it a shaky topic

shadeyinka:
I think it's too easy that the argument of conscent doesn't hold water when issues of sexual orientations are concerned. Otherwise like said earlier, eating animals would be tantamount to murder (as animals cannot give conscent. The same applies to when a 15 year old boy/girl seduces an adult: this is rape and Argument of conscent is a weak argument.


I am sure you've not seen homosexuals who proceeded to the level of both chemical and surgical sexual reassignment regret their activity AND then come out straight (for most an act of regret)

Please note that A Sex transitioned person is first a homosexual who decide to have a permanent sex reassignment.

Unfortunately, for some of them, it ends up in a big regret.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkybueVZHoI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pxxBQm114k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r09cDPsQ1wI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bV8AaeYKjQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsPsKt-zW2U

I disagree with the bolded. A Swedish study show that suicide is common among them

Im only going to react to the last bit since thats the only place we disagree on now.

By revert, i dont mean to go back having sex with same gender. I mean the feelings do come back so it makes sense that most will be suicidal cos they have been made to hate themselves. That's y from the onset i stated that i hope they are being made to accept themselves instead of other people's ideals which usually ends up tragic.

Also the issue of consent is a legal thing. Its spelt out black and white when it comes to children and animals. If a fifteen year old seduces an adult, he is expected to act like de adult he is and handle the situation. If a 6 yr old girl starts touching ur privates cos she is curious (probably after watching porn) will u allow her to do so and tell the world she seduced u?

The transgender issue i will not enter there cos i dont have as much info as i would like....

nlPoster:
@kimco


See my previous post.

Well... If one feels comfortable being unclad, and it does in fact raises one confidence, why should it be a problem to anyone? Is it destructive? If so then to who and why should one care? These are things to consider...in a married home for eg, you are given the go ahead to be unclad because its for your husby. But why? Shouldnt the lady dress to feel confident even outside? Why should the husby feel embarrassed that her woman looks sexy and feels sexy in and outside the home? So my take is, if it boosts your confidence, y should anyone feel worried? There is nothing worse than a tame well woman. As for men, we really dont have issues on the subject as much.

Sry if this isnt what you were looking for. But that is my take on it

nlPoster:
Anything you consider nudity.

Well i will be biased here....i really like seeing mature ladies show what they feel comfortable showing off in the appropriate settings, however wouldnt be too happy if my immature family member showcase her asserts too. Sometimes its a bit too much but a classy showcase can go a long way of telling me who you are vrs otherwise. But usually, a confident woman has my respect, irrespective of the level of the showcase.

nlPoster:
Nudity outside the private setting.

Full on or just showing things like thighs and boobs etc?

nlPoster:
Could you enlighten me.

*If u have it, show it* is what he subscribes to. No need to hide your *asserts*. Men however dont show as much cos they dont have much to show....no humps to showcase.

nlPoster:
I'm female and I dont subscribe to the wanton immorality that goes on here.

I'm also not a mod so there's little I can do about it.

So, no, my attention is not on female anatomy regardless how often its displayed on this forum.

Okay...sry for the assumption then.

Clarify then, what exactly about nudity do you want opinions on....is it nudity in public, or in privacy, or in the arts....what exactly do you want to know so i offer mine too

MuttleyLaff:
Thank you but this is the female slant of it (e.g. you would have so many times, heard it said: "show me what your momma gave you, shake whatcha' mama gave ya" etcetera) Fyi, females can be showers, as you've perfectly exampled it but unlike males, they arent ever growers. You now need to bring him up to speed of the male slant

Lol i think he gets ur point....i feel his attention was on the female anatomy...it usually is.

annyplenty:
Repent from legalizing abortions across your land. Children are given by the Lord. No one has the right to kill them in the name of legalizing abortion laws.

Anny dear! What if one needs to abort a child lest they die as instructed by a doctor? Should they
1. Abort the baby and save their lives

Or

2. Have the God given baby and die leaving him or her motherless, plus the other people in her life who she might mean the world to?

nlPoster:
Ok, I guess I wasnt getting him at all, I thought he or she was referring to bathroom and I wasnt aware how it related to the topic or what s/he was trying to say.

I suppose show off perhaps?

Yeah....i think in his/her second post he made it a bit clearer...that's when i understood him.

nlPoster:
Type slowly, I would like to know what are your thoughts on nudity? I dont get what you're writing as a response.

So far, I'm having a problem understanding you. You said shower, you did not explain what you mean by that, should I assume you're saying when you say nudity, you think of taking a shower? The rest of your write ups are also unclear.

Op he meant *to show*. Some one who likes to *show* what they have...so if you have got nice boobs or backside you *show* it....not *shower* as in bathouse *shower*....pronounce it by saying *show* first before adding the *er*.

shadeyinka:
Your argument is: "If a sexual activity is between two concenting adults, then it's ok"
How then would you apply the same rule to bestiality? The man and the donkey are adults: therefore their sexual activities are permissible!?

Don't tell me that it's not conscentual, because I'm not sure eating of chicken is right because conscent was sought

If an animal doesn't want to have sex with u, how would you know that? If you are in love with an animal and during sex the animal moans to ur touches and penetration, how do you know it's ecstacy or a cry for help? Can an animal tell u to stop ur advances at it? Therefore an animal cannot give consent. Simple. A consenting adult here doesn't involve animals....dont play smart, its not clever.
Your second statement doesnt match here. i doubt any one can give a consent to be slaughtered and killed. If u r going for the "if dey can be killed without consent they can be sexually molested too. Unfortunately it is africa that rules don't work here otherwise to kill an animal in your house is criminal. U need to send it to the appropriate place..for it to be killed off humanely as possible. Since the chicken cannot consent to your advances, its criminal. No consent equals rape. Simple as that. Adult goats too cannot consent.

shadeyinka:
The number of former LGBTs are in thousands all over the world, not just the ones presented here. You'll see hundreds of them even on YouTube: they can't all be wrong.

Many of them say they have a revulsion of having sex with same sex as before. That isn't a suppression. Suppression occurs only when the repented LGBT continue to be tempted by these kinds of sexual perversion.

You say former LGBT i say closet LGBT. Think about it this way. If i put u through conversion therapy so u wouldn't be attracted to women anymore, how long till u revert if i placed u in las Vegas. Look! people lie, their numbers wont change that...sometimes its not deliberate because they truly believe what they say....

Are you saying because of their numbers they cannot fall victim to the testimony farse of conversion therapy? ....Do you know how much some of these people hate what they are
just because of what society makes them feel? Don't let their number fool you bruh...only if you could follow up on them you would know that the feelings never go away. Studies prove that with these conversion tactics they always revert either openly or in the closet.

shadeyinka:
If I indulge them as you claim then, I'll have to indulge people with:
Pedophilic orientation
Bestial orientation
Necrophiliac orientation
Coprophilia orientation
HOMOSEXUAL ORIENTATION
etc

That I can't do because truely speaking, ALL stated above are sexual orientation among human beings. Don't they all deserve the same treatment?





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcW4RxEtz98
Faulty wiring of the brain.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QULOS1OHCE8
Mis-connected neurons.

Both above genetic. Are you satisfied?



The post above show a non-church based bunch of FORMER LGBTs who have repented/changed. It is possible to find reports of fake healing especially if motivated by a personality. But in this case as presented by the OP, such is not the case here.

My believe is that if the "syndrome" is genetic, it can only be chemically suppressed BUT not cured.

1. Unfortunately i asked for sources for kleptos and my point still stands, homosexuality is between two consenting adults. The rest, not so...so u can see why there will be a higher tolerance for homosexuality than the rest, especially paedos...and kleptos

2.You missed the point totally, the woman who had cancer believed she was cured, trully believed so,even tho it turned out not to be so. So in the same sense, the homos may believe that they are trully cured. And you couldnt have stated your last point any better, it can only be suppressed...but the highest possibilities of reoccurrence is expected with dese forms of conversion tactics.

shadeyinka:
I have seen on or two delivered from the homosexual spirit. I have also seen a few Kleptomaniacs to know that the "disorder" is very similar. A few weeks ago I watched a scientific documentary that seems to suggest that pedophilic tendencies are genetically induced.
Can we therefore trust what comes out from the Scientific community?


On this post, you see "former LGBTs" claim healing from such. This proves that it isn't genetic it is a choice! If it is genetic, their can be no healing! Do you agree with this?

1. Your word "seen" is not a great argument at all. You have not spoken to any. You don't have the technical know how to assume things on the fly without proper research. At least start by indulging these people. Your preconceived view of these people's lifestyle will not be helpful in your "on-the-fly" assumption. So in order help yourself see things from a more neutral position, at least indulge them.

2. I would like the study that states as facts kleptos are genetically inclined to their disorder. You have to at least provide a source for this claim otherwise bro you are not trying at all.

3. I remember seeing a woman on benny hinn's show saying she was healed of cancer by hinn and so was told to stop taking the cancer drugs cos the lord is a healer. 3 months later she died. Quite a number of these situations have occured alot. Im not saying that is, for a fact, the same situation here but due to precedence, i would take these healing confessions with a grain of salt. I dont think they are healed...but we can never prove that that is true or not. We can only go by their words and we both know people dont pretend to be healed in the house of the lord.

shadeyinka:
And do you think homosexuality isn't also a disorder? Homosexuality and Kleptomaniacs behaviours are kinds of preferences against normal human behaviours.

On what grounds can we also argue that pedophilic behaviours are also genetic?

Both could be disorders...for now the study on homosexuality is inconclusive so i wont commit myself fully.

However, if even if they both are, one involves sleeping with another who cannot consent...the other involves two adults consenting. Even bestiality. That and that alone makes a whole world's diff. Even if homos are not born dat way and its a choice of life, its between two consenting adults. If you want to be told what to do with your sexual life by an authority figure...well.....

shadeyinka:
If the white man comes up with a theory that Kleptomaniacs are such because of their genetic makeup, would it would suddenly be an acceptable way of life?

If indeed homosexuality is a genetic disorder, how come without drugs or therapy, some revert back to normal heterosexual behaviours.

How about bestiality?
Is it also genetic?

Have u ever spoken to a homosexual before? Have u asked them questions without being judgemental? If you havent i suggest u do...otherwise u are in no position to hypothesize. Atleast the *whiteman* has spoken to them. Start from dere and build your case.

shadeyinka:
You're very correct.
It's just like kleptomaniacs. I wonder why they are treated as common thieves instead of us recognising that it's in their genetic makeup and there is nothing they can do about this kleptomaniac orientation.

*Genetic makeup*

From what i have read i havent seen a theory for kleptomaniac being a genetic makeup...its usually associated with disorders like anxiety, eating disorders etc. But yes, kleptos require help to cope too. Since its not a genetic make, modification is possible. If not we contain it.

Maximus69:
Good!

So that's the point!

Unlike those saying "the spirit will help you understand why they're holding the Bible"
Maximus explains why he believe (trust) the Bible!

Your two questions!

(1) ATHEISM is the faculty for self centered individuals, shifting blames on others when things aren't working fine in the society. They discards any practical wisdom as long as it requires that they WORK on their PERSONALITY!
What is wrong?
Children learns and they're ever willing to accept counsel that will help them improve in their dealing with their pairs, Jesus said individuals who are as teachable as little children will be permitted to live FOREVER. Because having such individuals around will help promote LOVE, PEACE and PROGRESS.
(2) You're one of the ATHEISTS Sir because
You're not here to know why people agreed to live by Bible principle.
You're not ready to accept any practical wisdom as long as it requires that you work on your PERSONALITY.
You're not here to present any useful info.
The faculty of ATHEISM is to discourage any kind of practical application demanding humility from adults to work on their PERSONALITY.

So Maximus has grown up Sir and that's why i'm able to detect anytime an ATHEIST is around!

Just say you are an ATHEIST and forget about what the Bible has to say because it can never appeal to an ATHEIST!

suit urself mr robot. Im done.

Maximus69:
FRUSTRATION comes when you're battling to establish what is not true or when you're trying to refute what is obvious to all eyes!

You said you're going to ask questions.

I've dealt with professors in atheism several times but they're smarter than you're because they'll never make claims on understanding the book they want to debunk (Bible) they'll stick to the rules (only asking thought provoking questions).

Jehovah's Witnesses are lawyers defending the Bible,
~Our youths are every mother's dream child.
~Our bachelors are every serious lady's target.
~Our spinsters are every man's dream partner.
~Enforcement agencies are at rest with JWs.
~Teachers and Lecturers are relaxed with JWs.
~Our neighbours feel safe having us around.
~None JW women assume our wives have hypnotized us to continue loving only them!

These and many more qualities are vivid proofs that God's word is efficacious, because that's what we are studying to be FULLY COMPETENT and COMPLETELY EQUIPPED for all good works.

So if you're condemning religion i'm OK with it but don't condemn the Bible (God's word) because you'll continue to expose yourself as an amateur ATHEIST, with all the evidence showing that the book has ENERGY and WORKING! Hebrew 4:12

For every epistle you dish out, i can too. I could point out the contradictions in the bible all day and you would still rationalise it. But i will give you this...you do well to try and explain things, though i dont agree with you fully, as compared to the others who just say "you need the spiritual understanding".

You are too worked up. You are frustrated because things are not going your way. Arguing with atheists have nothing to do with me, if i make similar arguments then it means we all have same concerns, but for diff reasons. And even then what is wrong with being an atheist? Does it invalidate my concerns? Grow up Max.

Maximus69:
The OP is about Jehovah's Witnesses performing better than all other religionists claiming Christians.

It's either you want to know how they're performing better or what made it possible for them to perform better.

So it's not about my WISE COUNSEL Sir but the COUNSEL that's making Jehovah's Witnesses to be better performing Christian group!

Our convo was not based on the OP. I made a post and you wanted to help explain things. Dont pull a side pass.

Maximus69:
Please kimco, i didn't see this!

(1) The King needed the time but God can't just give him if he did not beg for it, for him to beg God for it means he is now ready to do God's will and Apostle John says "God will surely grant our request if it's in ACCORD with his will" 1John 5:14
(2) Reading someone's mind simply means been able to defend him before any accuser saying "i trust (believe) him, he meant NO EVIL"
All you just need to do is take your time and study the Bible (his word) with his WITNESSES, according to the human laws your appearance in the court of law as a WITNESS means you can ADEQUATELY defend the accused because YOU TRUST (BELIEVE) HIM! The Bible is not just a story book, it's the document God is using to present his case before all humans to prove his holiness (purity), if you don't spend time with his WITNESSES you can't understand his case.
(3) Abraham is one of his WITNESSES {Hebrew 11:8,12:1} and don't forget that there was NO written document Abraham could study to stand as a fully competent and completely equipped defender of God's case before accusers like you {2Timothy 3:16-17} yet he could say "i'm sure he can't do that" {Genesis 18:23-25} So with ordinary mouth to mouth info from his ancestors Abraham could defend God because he was able to READ his mind that he meant NO EVIL!
(4) During the time God was dealing with the Egyptians and other nations, there was no other way to prove to those idol worshippers that the person making demands is not just one of those intelligent spirits backing their useless images so wise ones amongst them quickly used their initiative to join the worshipers of the ALMIGHTY GOD! READ Exodus 8:16-19 compared to Joshua 2:8-21 Rahab (a prostitute) quickly swift to the side of JEHOVAH because she knew very well that idol worshippers also usually claim that their god is superior if they're able to conquer their enemies, now that a God is coming with full force and destroying all the enemies standing before his people WITHOUT A MILITARY FORCE, surely that must be the ALMIGHTY GOD!
(5) Proverbs 2:1-5 is saying you should diligently study God's word, meditate thoroughly on what you read, ask questions on what's difficult for you to understand and pray to God for divine wisdom. After all of these, you will know what it means to fear JEHOVAH and you will have THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD. This simply means you can know why God did somethings in the past and be able to TRUST (BELIEVE) his judge that he is going to do what is right in the future.
Please it simply means YOU CAN READ God's mind in order for you to defend his case before anyone.
Now the judgment is ongoing Sir.
Jesus said "our father.... let your name be sanctified (held holy)" Matthew 6:9
There is no way his name could be cleansed of all these accusations without his WITNESSES going from house to house and door to door, in order to DEFEND his case before accusers like you, and they must be able to READ his mind better than all his WITNESSES of ancient times who weren't having the full document (complete Bible) to do so!
Now imagine you are involved in a case of IMPLICATIONS and you expect someone who has been living with you for the past 20 years to stand before your accusers saying "i trust (believe) kimco on this issue, he meant no evil"
Then you've judged yourself on this matter! Romans 1:20

I have come to accept this fact. I disagree with this writeup fully. But being as you dont believe that God is omnipotent, i cannot use my argument on u. So let's agree to disagree.

Great discussion. Thanks for wasting you time on an unbeliever like me.

Maximus69:
My friend, you're a confirmed ATHEIST!

I've dealt with professors in atheism so i know exactly how they discard helpful counsel.

You yourself said it not me nor anyone on this thread that you can begin sleeping around with other women outside your marriage and your woman can equally do the same!
)

I am an atheist because i refuse your wise counsel? You must think yourself really important. I hope i didnt bruise your ego. Relax.


On the second issue....hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I knew you were misunderstanding something now i know what it is. So i will only address this other one as well.
I was just explaining to you why some marriages fail. You might stay faithful but she might not, she might stay faithful but you might not. Its not because you agreed to yourself to cheat at the beginning of the marriage. But life happens. I have seen these cases a lot. And you ask the man, why he did it or she did it, and even though they make excuses, most of them regret the actions.

We cannot sit back and simply judge others. Because given the circumstances you might fall victim too. I know this much...so i dont go about telling people the key ways to do things...one can suggest and hope that it works. To love and respect your loved ones is basic requirement...but its not just lip service. How do u continue to love and respect someone who continually hurt u? Or someone who has stopped making u a happy person?

Maximus69:
To have a great marriage you begin with yourself, you must first study yourself to know what type of person you are, before trying to figure out what type of woman will perfectly fit in to carry the yoke with you.

You know you sound like a robot right now right? Binary. Its great you found your better half with whom you yoke with. But trust me when i say, sometimes you fall for people you have no business loving. Its not black and white.

Maximus69:
For your information, Abraham is NOT a Christian so that KEY to family happiness has not been given to mankind during his own time.

Woooooow. Im lost for words.

Maximus69:
You cannot see anywhere in the Christian Greek Scriptures (New Testament) where Christian couples have issues in their marriage.

I may be wrong but i dont think there was emphasis on married couples in the new testament. Aside ananias and his wife i know not of any significant couples mentioned in the new testament as compared to the old. Infact there are more prominent women in the old testament compared to the new. Your point is far reaching here. Not enuff sample size to make a good case.





These are the only post i will address. The rest only seem to be a JW thing...and i cannot "banter" with that. You are going to believe what you will...im okay with that. Im tired of repeating myself on certain issues. You believe there are keys to a blissful marriage, i dont...its not that easy. Again how long have you been married? Wait till you have been married long enough to use urself as a case till then you can only speculate, not state as fact.

TemmyT002:
Still yet to find an irreligious couple who has been married for a long time.

How many non religious people you know? Given the population ratio...you are likely to find religious people married for long. Out of 1000 people if u find 5 people married for long as against 10 people you find none married for long....which one feels jarring to you?

Maximus69:
My friend it's nobody's business whether your marriage works or not!

If you want it to work, you will PROMISE YOURSELF by saying TO YOURSELF "i'm going to make it work"

Then you start looking for ways to make it work!

Nobody is saying its your business...you asked me a question and i gave you an answer and now the answer frustrates you? Dude relax, you are all over the place now.


The recipe to a great marriage is still a mystery. I dont know the answer. This is because of different personalities and behavoural modifications that happen over time. If it were as easy as you made it there wouldn't be all these divorce cases. Respect the man and love your wife.....prestoooo...magic. promising oneself to make it work doesnt mean the other person would. And why stay in a marriage you are not happy with? Dats the reality of this world. Cry all you can, but the world doesnt revolve around how u view it. Step out rapunzel

Maximus69:
Your comments stinks, when you say "You can't promise that YOUR OWN MARRIAGE WILL WORK"

ATHEISM has so much blurred you sense of reasoning that you now think it's the business of religious people if YOUR marriage work or fail!

If your marriage did not work, it's you that's a FAILURE not God or those presenting the logic, YOU ARE THE FAILURE not them!

I cant promise to have a perfect marriage because i cant. But i will try my very best to make it work. Is this the comment bothers you so? But its the truth...and being that i have seen more cases than you have (again marriage dept in my district) simply saying I will make it work is not enough. How long have you been married? Do you think that a those divorcees did not try to make it work? That they didnt promise demselves to make their marriage a good one? Lip service is not enough. You must put in the work. Sometimes its just not enough and the marriage just doesnt work.

You keep mentioning Atheism. You really are frustrated arent you? This has nothing to do with atheism.

If my marriage doesnt work ofcos its on me and my spouse. Not of any God, nor any religious person...but ours...that's exactly what i have been saying. It is you who claimed that if your marriage fails its because one has not married in the lord...you seem confused.

Maximus69:
FRUSTRATED?

In what way?

Well, perhaps you need to know that true Christians spends our time wisely! Ephesians 5:15-16
If i'm chatting, i do so to gain one or two things, sorry NOT to convince you to agree with my line of thought!
It's either to make you see that there is a solution to a problem or to see if you've gotten a better way to solve it.
There is nothing like a perfect man or woman now, but if the man should love his wife and the woman should have deep respect for the man things will work easily! Ephesians 5:33
Now you don't have any solution, the one i presented you're trying to argue over it when it's obvious that that is exactly what both gender NEEDED from each other to keep moving on.
Instead of asking thought provoking questions to know if truthfully the man or woman will feel OK with the idea, you just started debunking it without experimenting!
So do you expect me to continue wasting my precious time in such a none profitable, time consuming argument?
My friend, you're a confirmed ATHEIST and your way is to argue that NOTHING WORKS as long as it demands submission of any kind from you!

You are naive....very naive. I am not a small boy sir. I have been in relationships before. I am telling you from experience that every gender requires love and respect. And besides how can you claim to love someone you dont respect? Are you the only person who is married? Are you the only person who has had to deal with relationship issues? Even in the bible marriages have not gone well. Yet you quote other scriptures like a naive robot.

Again you contradict yourself. If you agree that not all is not perfect how do you expect the same thing to work for every couple. Your proposal might work for some but not for all. So we pick things on a case by case basis. Not cut and paste like u want to believe. But instead of admitting that we are all not of the same make, you only have this tunnel vision of if the man loves the woman and the woman respects the man, it will all work out, if it doesnt work out they were not true christians from the start. Such gullibility. Only a child can think this way.

I see that the issue of marriage has stirred you up. Im sry if i have offended you with my way of addressing that which you hold dear. I mean no harm.

If after arguing for this long you have not learnt anything then u have yourself to blame. I love to argue, because i love to learn...i myt look like im just arguing but i do learn. And yes, you are simply frustrated, dats y u have resorted to ad hominem attacks *he doesnt agree with me, he must be atheist, no wonder he doesnt agree with me*

TemmyT002:
You are right, bro
But personally, all the couples I know who have been married for over 40 years are religious.
Surely, that's something.

I think most of the couples you know...let's say 95% are religious. So its not surprising. But for every 10 happy marriages, there are 50(being generous here) unhappy ones and im talking about religious people. Max will have you believe its cos these couples are not religious enough...only he and his people are.