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Aaronsrod:
The Word of God.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Read, heed and obey! Blood must be shed!

Correct... So it shocks me when christians critisize islam extremists when they kill homosexuals... Its in their bible to do so as well.

But you know, not following it tells u that even christians hve realised how extremist the *Holy Book* can be as well. Their moral compass, relegated from religion at that point tells them that it simply madness to follow blindly.

I doubt that they are truly change...I hope this doesnt depress them trying to live according to anoda's ideals of life.

Even a left handed person can be trained to use their right hand well. It doesnt stop them from being left handed, they have simply learned to use the right hand as well. Dats all

Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmmm,

You can ask any question FROM YOUR HEART, but if you're sincere, you need not dictate how the person you're questioning should answer!

He is NOT OMNISCIENT in the sense you're applying it, so i need to speak out from my mind what i want/need. But he's not concerned with WANTS which are unlimited, he goes straight to what you NEED. That's why you need knowledge and wisdom to be his friend!

Otherwise you'll be asking for the wrong thing (out of wants) whereas he is preparing exactly what you need. So to avoid friction, you must both understand each other before asking anything from him!

So God isnt omniscient? Wat do u mean by sense dat im applying it? Is dere anoda sense of applying omniscience aka all knowing?

You need to explain this to me.

Acrobatics01:
In line with sample prayers found the in the Bible, our prayers are not just requests.
We take time to praise and thank Him and as a friend who is all-powerful, we ask Him if our needs in specific terms.
Speaking to Him in such manners increases our confidence and trust in Him especially more when our specific prayers are answered.

That's a bold faced lie. We hold steadfast to our faith when we get answers to our requests. That's why Job was said to be an upright man. Its extremely diff to not lose faith even if u still hope, when faced with continues trials and tribulations, but a small sign telling us that we indeed have someone listening to us, however small goes a long way to maintain our faith. That's why you here the shop owner testifying that previous week sales were great and that she thanks God for listening to her prayers. To the businessman proper, this would not be a thing to testify on cos he understands how business works.

So please, you can lie to urself but spare me that.

Maximus69:
Going through your comments in the thread and somehow reading your mind based on what you've typed so far, it's easy to understand that you're formerly one of the common misinformed churchgoers around!

In your response to Acrobatics01 you said "the very meaning of prayer is TO ASK"

Well you've been misinformed terribly Sir!

Prayers to the true God isn't just meant for ASKING, it's a means of making friend with the Creator!

Note the example of the person God called his friend and implored all those seeking his face to copy as a PERFECT example of FAITH, the man's name is Abraham! James 2:23

If you want to know why God made Abraham the main man to serve as example for all those who wish to become God's friend, please read~ Hebrew 11:8-10

Carefully check throughout the story of this man and meditate thoroughly to see (if their friendship was one side) in fact it was God who kept demanding from Abraham NOT the other way round!
Even when God made a promise to Abraham, he didn't fulfill it until this man is 99 years old! Note that throughout this man's life, he never ASK for anything personal until when God told him "I'm going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah"

Please my friend, you've been misinformed, even you yourself no matter how stupid you may be will never take anyone seriously as your friend if he only call on you to ASK for favour!

For further clarification, please consider the MODEL prayer Jesus taught his faithful followers @ Matthew 6:9-13, carefully note what Jesus mentioned before coming to ASK for our DAILY bread.

So it's faithless people who are mainly concerned about what they're GOING TO GET from God, and such ones are nothing before God but PAGANS!

Of course Jesus taught us to pray, but it's NOT for what has nothing to do with God's interest. That's why he said "put God's interest FIRST and every other thing you need (NOT WANT) will be added to you" Matthew 6:33

Jesus' next statement after that is "each day has troubles already waiting"! Matthew 6:34

Thanks!

Okay i will make things simple enough for you so u stop posting long winding essays that dont address my question properly.

WHY...DO RELIGIOUS PEOPLE.....PRAY....ASKING FOR THINGS FROM AN OMNISCIENT GOD.

UNLESS YOU CAN TELL ME THAT YOU HAVE NEVER PRAYED ASKING THINGS FROM GOD BEFORE, WHICH WOULD MAKE YOU A LIAR.

I WILL WAIT.

Whyyyyyyyyyy?! Why is everything spiritual spiritual in Africa? Why cant we sit down and learn abit about our physical bodies.. learn my brothers, please learn.. this spiritual spiritual thing is getting too much....and from graduates too. Im dissapointed really.

kelvinrhs:
That's because he gave us the right of freewill.

The right to do whatever we want

An omniscient God cannot give u free will. Everything is predetermined to him. Do u disagree? Let me hear ur view sir.

Maximus69:
ATHEISTS do ask lots of questions, but their minds are fixed on the things they've been taught in their respective religions before they lost interest in religion!

That term OMNISCIENT raised lot of thought provoking questions.

First of all let's get something straight here about God. If he wish to know of course he can SEE everything happening everywhere. But presently, he has taken his attention away from where evil could be done because he can't bear SEEING evil! Habakkuk 1:13

After what happened in the garden of Eden, God turned his back on the human race until the price of sin is fully paid! After Jesus have taken the proof to heaven to present it before God's throne in the presence of all the heavenly host { Revelation 5:6} God turn his attention on only to those chosen/anointed by his holy spirit! These are the only people God is dealing with directly for now, and whoever want his name to be written in God's memory book, such a person must assist the born again Christians in their God's given assignment! Matthew 25:31-46

It's his angels that he has equipped to see evil and maintain their neutrality that he dispatched to all the corners of the earth to bring back reports of what the alienated descendants of Adam are doing to themselves! Genesis 18:20-21

So according to the Bible, God is NOT aware of most things happening on this planet except the ones his angels report to him!

He only concentrates on those doing what's right in his eyes, as his angels are reporting what people are doing all across the globe to him!

So when the Bible says God's eyes is roving throughout the earth, many will be confused thinking it's God's eyes that's actually seeing what's happening everywhere! 2Chronicles 16:9

Well the Bible book of Revelations explains what was written in 2Chronicles, that God designed some angels so that their body is full of eyes sharper than that of the eagles! Revelations 4:8

It's this type of angels that are serving as God's eyes throughout the earth, and making reports to him!

So don't allow the atheists to drag you into unnecessary arguments, if they don't believe in God, let them present what we need to solve the problems facing humanity.
Religion has been keeping people in check for some times now, let them come up with something efficacious to keep people in check morally!

God bless you!

Not one of wat u said made sense....i have de power to see into de future but i'd rather have u cry and beg and harras me jux to give it to u.

And if you need religion to keep you in chk u are an evil person..u need help. Humans follow abstract laws dey have created for themselves...so far as the enforcement is legit, dere is calm and balance.

And even with de growth of churches in every corner adultery and other social vices abound...i wonder why.

Im no atheist...atleast not yet...but with silly comments like urs...i myt jux port.

Acrobatics01:
a simple answer is that the "omniscient" God is not just a God to us, but also a father and a friend, hence, as is true for every relationship, communication is key.

Do u pray to simply make conversation with God?

The very meaning of prayer is "to ask" for something, or implore....me and you know you are not simply asking God how he is doing or how his family is doing or just to chk up on him/her.

Your prayer is always to ask for something...dats why its "prayer"

So if he knows all and see all...why do you need to ask for something again?

Acrobatics01:
Usually, our prayers are said calmly, we don't disturb others with our prayers since we are praying to the one who hears and knows everything.

So then why do you pray? A question for all religious people? Why do you pray to an omniscient God?

mcdon1986:
I raised some point, regarding how Jesus, accredited what his disciples will say, and as well prayed for people that will believe in Him through their word, peter accredited paul's writing, and the testimony of Paul as well was backed by witness.

Before you deviate. Address these point and when next you want to argue, let us know your reference point from whence you derive your authority, for me is the Bible.

Address the point I raised earlier.

obviously is not clear if u believe the Bible or not.

So let's pretend dat it works for u. Paul is accredited. Will you follow Paul's advice and prohibit ur wife from asking questions in church or lead the congregation if she could ?

I honestly thought it was a thread about serious Korean movies not high school lovey dovey series. Im dissapointed

OLAADEGBU:
What are the new cases?

Its says they account for the percentile *new cases* not the total number of hiv cases. Correct me if im wrong.

OLAADEGBU:
There's no doubt about the fact that homosexuals are the main culprit of reckless sexual behaviour. The fact that 2% of U.S. population is gay and yet it accounts for 61% of HIV infection should tell you who the main culprits are.

I think u missed a key point...

New Cases


Pls know the difference.

Chidorx60:
Shut up sir.....

You clearly don't understand a word in the scripturessss....

Formication and homosexuality are all sin

All hail king solomon...pray sir, do u have wat they refer to as spiritual understanding? I have only heard about it but never seen it before. They say it makes you wise but all i have seen is madness beyond repair...or is it because it apparently foolishness to my canal mind? Oh boy i cant wait to to get this "spiritus eyesus" magic power.

Chidorx60:
May ur eyes one day open to the pit u are trailing into...

Homosexuality is a sin like anyother Christians are to preach to them to repent as they would to any sinner....no one is hating here but telling u guys the ugly truth

U r preaching hate...intolerance always leads to hate...dnt dodge it...even u who have lied and cheated and done all these bad things are hopeful of "heaven" .

Trust me, i dnt need ur prayers. At all

Jeffnjemanze:
Las las thhs thread identified them weller. rollcall of the POOFTER. KIMCO, LONELYPACIFIST6, OLODO24 ,MRVITALIS(a.k.a childmolestor) ALLTHINGSGOOD(a.k.a homo caused by rejection) creamykk d ferminist(turned 2 lesbian b/c of lack of charles dickens) Nggs121, Zizza And Hannahhitler Dirty Kpekus.

Ad hominem....im surprised it took this long to come up. Never change christians...always remain clowns.

Im very straight (myt even be addicted), but if i was gay, i wud show it proudly cos screw u....u dnt own me.

TechCapon:
you're missing the point. Gay and lesbianism is evil and must be condemned in the strongest way possible

Why? Tell me why it is evil without referring to the bible.jux explain in ur own reason. Dnt use the bible. Jux think for yourself , "why do i hate these people?"

jayloms:
Get a head mister!!

We don't live by the laws of the old testament anymore, and before you attempt to get smart, be aware that homosexuality was warned against in the new testament as highlighted in the op. I'd like for you to point me to any part of the new testament that supports stoning one's disobedient child to death.

So Jesus warned against homosexuals? I must be reading the wrong bible i guess. You saviour preached love, and u r here listening to anoda who, mind you, was deemed controversial even in his time. If Jesus didnt say it, then it didnt matter....Paul is not Jesus....he is a sexist roman pig....follow ur christ and love your brethren even in his "sins"

mcdon1986:
First of all, we need to set things in perspective, your argument, is not on whether the Bible frowns on homosexuality but rather on the authority of Paul.

Who is Paul and why should we believe his writings?

Jesus while leaving earth made a prayer to His father: “I pray for them(disciples).... Neither pray I for these alone, but them also which shall believe in me through their word” Kjv john 17:9, 20. Here we see Jesus in a sense accrediting all the testimony/writings of his disciples who he took time to train and gave them a charge to go also and make disciples of men.
So if Christ purely accredit that which his disciples will teach and as well prayed for those who will believe in their word, which is same as when he said, as my father hath sent me in trust that I can deliver, you also having stayed with me and learnt of me, I also send you (john 20:21), however tarry ye in Jerusalem until ye are endued from on high (Luke 24:29), because the assignment is I am giving you is beyond reasoning (as some one pointed that religion is both faith and reasoning) , but it requires power. As paraphrased as the above is ,yet scripture are embedded in it.

So, back to authenticating Paul’s authority on the account that Jesus entrusted the works he began to his disciples, we can believe that which proceeds of the disciples in witnessing Christ; as not just true but also accredited by Jesus himself base on the following:
They were endued by the spirit of God to bear witness, for the spirit can only take what is of Jesus and show them, they in turn showed us as they’ve received of the father

Again the teaching of Paul was once disputed in his days and the days of the disciples (who Jesus have accredited as seen in John's writing), a meeting was called (Acts 13), after which the disciples approved him and gave a hand of fellowship. By which, in context, the authority granted to us( Jesus's disciples), by God through Jesus we, accredit Paul and his teaching.

If we believe in Jesus it is only appropriate that we believe in the testimony of his disciples who by extension extended a hand of fellowship to Paul and approved him.
Peter, Jesus's disciple further gave testimony of Paul’s teaching, saying : 2 Peter 3:15 “… even as our beloved Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him have written unto you; also as in all his epistle, speaking in them of these things; which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as the do also to other scriptures unto their own destruction.”

It is hypocritical to say you believe Jesus’s word and not believe the word of his disciples whom he commissioned to be his ambassador to whom also he gave authority in his name to teach and make disciples, is like saying your(Jesus) authority is not trustworthy, because segregating the teaching of his disciples from is own teaching, is denying the authority that backs their witness and the person, Jesus in general.

More so, Paul’s testimony of himself and his authority is that our Lord Jesus appeared to him, which were with infallible proof and also his account was supported by the action of Ananians the prophet Acts 9.( And by the witness of two a case is established).

Finally God saw and said it’s not good for a man to be alone and he created Eve as a companion for Adam and not 'Steve', when Adam saw Eve, he exclaimed Eve, as the bone of his Bones.

My dear if you say you believe in Jesus's word and not believe in the words of his disciples ( whom he gave authority to speak in his name ) then is either you’re ignorant, or deceived or influenced by demons.

On a lighter note, Jesus speaking to his disciples said, there are many things that I wish to tell you, but you can not bear, but when he the spirit of truth is come he will guide you into all truth, there are many things you might say Jesus didn’t mention, however he gave his spirit to his disciples and its by the spirit, the scripture was written, same spirit which Paul partook of in his conversion.

Peace.

Anything dat didnt come from christ is not law....so if a pastor tells u he needs to sleep with ur wife cos Jesus ordained it, will dat sit ryt with u? There was no accreditation of paul bros, dont struggle with all this.

Again i ask, who is Paul to tell me wat to do? He only shares opinion.. i will not have my wife shutup in church and wait till she gets home to ask me. Wat if i cant answer her? Will she wallow in ignorance? Surely you see how sexists the men of those times were. Who is Paul that I shud listen to him.


U want to claim the adam and eve not "steve" angle? Till ur age u believe in the creation story? Wat was this marvelous fruit they ate? Why wud God put the forbidden fruit in the middle of the garden looking and smelling nice? Why wud he allow satan in to deceive his naive and gullible new creation? Surely he knew satan had come dere. If the serpent was cursed to crawl on its belly wat of the worm and maggots? Were dey cursed too? Who did cain marry? How did chinese and blacks and latinos come out of jux one group of race? Can a blackman gove birth to a chinese? If u can answer these questions properly, ur adam and even not "steve" story will hold. Until den, u r making noise, ur creation story isnt any better than the others

Spacewalker:
Sharap,ur making noise here saying trash.
Hope u know u will face Judgement
U can't judge urself because u did not create urself.
U can only be judged by the one who created u
So,think before u talk

did i hurt you sir? And who sir is my creator? Is it the bible God who proclaimed his love for Israel? Does dat God know me? I reside in Ghana does he or she know me? Too bad i dnt believe in judgement and you cannot prophess to know that there is a biblical God cos you havent seen or heard his voice before. You cannot be sure of judgement too cos u havent faced one before. Inconsistent book, tells you judgement is after jesus comes yet apparently some are already in hell fire. So which is which? When will this judgement come? Is it at the world's end when all the dead will be risen to be judged right after rapture or immediately when you die? Jokers.

davekata:
Christ never been talked about homosexuality because he considered the law of the old testament sufficient enough to remain potent in that area.

The law had it's short comings; Christ ensured that those shortcomings were fixed in the New testament. Example: The law: An eye for an eye; New Testament: Pray for those that despitefully use you and persecute you.

The law: Men are allowed more than one wife and concubines; New Testament: One man, one wife.

The law: Some meat were regarded unclean; New Testament: Every thing made by God is good; etc.

Matters in the old testament that weren't discussed in the New testament are still considered valid and applicable.

#myHumbleOpinion

Okay so im confused now, is the old testament relevant or not? You people say its not relevant cos you are in the new dispensation yet admit that Jesus came to uphold the law and that which he didnt speak about is still relevant...

So if you dont like it, its old dispensation, but if it fits your agenda, its still relevant?

What a bunch of confused hypocrites. The most dangerous kind, the type who thinks he is favoured by the almighty in his hatred for anoda man....the type that keeps shifting the goal post when convenient and thinks he speaks for God.

I wud say "wallow in your ignorance" but then u myt see me in town and try to kill me jux cos i said i dont believe in Jesus or dat i dont hate homosexuals" You are a bane on this land. With all the resources you have at your disposal you still believe in a whale swallowing a man for days. Ah well.

tbibuzz:
ur argument is outa context

I assure you it's very much in context. If you can do that, then i will listen to you about your intolerance for people that are different from you. Till then you have no case.

Spacewalker:
U don't know what u are saying
Whether its Paul or Christ that said it,it does not change the fact that what's bad is bad
Because Jesus didn't say is bad doesn't mean its not bad.Use ur head,don't u know what is good and what is evil

U come here to spew trash about God's word,because Paul said it.I don't blame u,u will soon understand how this things work,but by then it might be too late for u

Ironic coming from u who follows a book dat tells you wat to do and not to do. U dare lecture me about right and wrong? U clown. i know wat is right without a so called "word of God" to tell me wat to do. And i tell you today that intolerance breeds hatred. To tolerate something is not to accept it but to coexist with it. Do you think moslems shud not marry? Or have the right to love one anoda just because they are unbelievers? No! You tolerate them...doesnt mean you have accepted their beliefs. If this much is clear, why is that of homosexuals so difficult for you?. There was this governor who said to the blacks fighting for their rights in the 1960s. He says "a bill cannot make the white man love you" MLK replied and said they dont need the whiteman to love them, they jux need them not to kill them(blackfolks) jux cos they(blacks) want to live like decent human beings"

It's the same thing here. They dnt require your love, they require your tolerance. To regard them as humans capable of love and reasoning. How hard is this? Right and wrong is subjective wat is right in one area might be the norm in another...if you need an ancient book to tell you what to do my guess is to start following it to the T and stop making excuses with old and new testament nonsense. If its old and not useable anymore scrap it dont pick and choose you hypocrites.

UceeGod:
If you really mean what you just typed up there, then surely you're not a genuine Christian, maybe a nominal one. Your own interpretation of love is worldly and satanically disgusting not from the Bible.

Where in the bible did christ talk about homosexuality? I'll wait.

NLorubebe:
WTF! Do you believe words you read in the scriptures or not? The bible clearly frowns against homosexuality. Why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah again? Can't believe you're saying this if you truly believe in the bible

so wat do you suggest we do? Kill dem, abandon dem? Push dem away? You are here in ur land, a book is brought to you from wherever and it tells u dat it de word of God and you believe it....its funny the israelites were a very intolerant nation..they thought themselves more special than any other nation and used that as an excuse to raid and destroy...but when it happened to them, God was the one punishing them. Is it these men whose words you hope to follow?

I have found a book myself...its says im God's chosen son....i hope you start worshipping me too. Also it says lets love be love.

Zap this disgusting noise of Hate.

RiyaGoddess:
Sir, are you aware that we now operate in the new testament?
Is just like asking why don't we kill animals for our atonement of sins or kill animals to access God? Concubines were allowed in the old testament and not in the new testament.
Adultery and Fornication is a SIN!
God will Judge this particular sins himself.
That's why Apostle Paul said those wey no fit hold body should go and marry. Don't wait any further. To avoid Fornication.
God Bless You.

So the two classic errors.

1. Picking and choosing which is the new and old dispensation.....when it fits your narratives

Where in the new testament did christ say concubines were wrong? Are u making words up as you go?

2. Paul is not christ, his words are not law, stop taking his words as such. He only shared an opinion. If you had given me a quote by christ cause, you know, you are a christian, i wud have been okay with dat, but not paul pls.


*Adultery and Fornication is a SIN!*

If it was men wud not be permitted to have concubines den. These laws were made for men to subdue the woman in those times...it was okay for a man to take more women but wrong for a divorcee to get married again after her ex husband divorces her?


Nothing in the new testament disproves this. Even Jesus says he did not come to abolish de laws but to fulfill it. Whichever case he had a problem with he made sure to address it.

Dnt pick nd choose from you Holy book. If it nolonger in use cut it and throw it away, but u have no excuses when u still pick and choose from it.

Sikiratu:
Very true.
Formication, adultery homosexuals, bestially and all forms of sexual perversion is wrong

If adultery was sinful why were men allowed concubines?

Sikiratu:
Listen Kid, there is the dispensation of the Law and the dispensation of Grace
What this means, is the blood of Jesus has overcame the Law.
Yet!!! the new testament in strong voice speaks against homosexuals. We can argue all the day, but at the end. The word of God stands.
For the rebellious and stubborn son........ ain't we all....... Rebellious and stubborn I mean to God the Father of all. Yet God could have stoned us all to death, yet He didn't, rather He chose to die for us and asked that we repent and come back to Him.
So I direct this question to you. Would you go back to Him repented of your sins, or will you stay angry, rebellious and stubborn
You and I know what happens at the end of the day to a stubborn, rebellious son... After all you quoted the verse.

Why did you refer to me as "kid"? Is it because you are behind a pc or your mobile fone? You cannot accord me enough respect to refer to me in a much better way? Becareful...this is far from a smart thing to do.

Ontopic: Jesus your saviour did not make mention of of it once.. .none at all. If he found it not worthy of mention, what shows that any other person who mentioned it (and den not in details too) is just expressing his opinion?

I await you response. And try to be respectful this time.

thesicilian:
If he doesn't dump Nigeria now for England, sooner or later Nigeria will still dump him for someone better or someone who can pay more bribes to be on the team. So many people are saying England may not value him as one of their own but at least they'll pay him well and he won't have to go on strikes in other to get his match bonuses. Does Nigeria value her own?

English dont "pay" well for national team football. The money they get are used as charity funds. It is african players who think they need to be paid for dawning the national team colors. Disgraceful. Tammy makes more than enough at chelsea, he doesnt need the scanty bonus from the national team. Its a bonus not wages and they actually use the money to make other's lives better not spend almost all in the club.

Sikiratu:
Devout you say.......
If so, why are you eager to translate the bible out of context
Remember the laws of Moses, What God said about homosexuality....... Lev18:22. Lev 20:13, Romans 1:26 and yes Sodom and Gomorrah.
God was real specific about His view on this matter, yet you believed it is misunderstood by people and only the wise can understand and interpret it.
Tell me, as a devout Christian you claim to be........ Who is more wise than God, who penned down these words through different men at different times and generations!! I'm in no position to judge you, but I will desire that you don't ridicule the Bible in an effort to justify your desires.

Since we are on the laws of the bible

Deuteronomy 21:18–21.

If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them, then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gateway of his home town. And they shall say to the elders of his city, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear of it and fear.




Sure i pray and hope that you will allow your stubborn son to be stoned to death. That would be nice see.