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WackyJ1: Every small thing kimco will call it attitude.

Kimco do you know that i have been using my phone to reply you for the past two weeks? I have been doing the tedious work just to counter you so you've got no excuse...

WackyJ1: Lol. What if i may ask is the difference between a class level of Rasengan and the S class level and what is the proof of the difference of even the existence in the manga?
Please also note that Konohamaru learnt it fully from naruto without any mention of S class or A class and except you're saying that Konohamaru is better than kakashi, who accomplished more than Konohamru at the same age in learning A class shape manipulation then you're insulting Kakashi. You're implying that kakashi could not advance it to S class level after copying it. For you to copy a technique the way you say that kakashi copied it then it means the person now has an indepth understanding of the technique so whether kakashi could do the shape manipulation to S class level is up to his abilities therefore for you to imply that kakashi a certified genius could not do what naruto did because of limited ability is an insult. You must have a good explanation why.

WackyJ1: Yes minato created the rasengan but i mentioned that he did it from the idea of the tailed beast bombed. It's not the exact same jutsu it's just made to look like it using the principle of compression of chakra in the tailed beast bomb. So you can see that the developed definition still holds. "Minato developed the rasengan from the idea of the tailed beast bomb"

Tosyn007: Your tsunami theory isn't valid cos its something you aint prepared for, an accident,

kakashi said he copied Sasuke not the jutsu..

rapmike: Nah? I am almost completely sure dat he met d sharingan when he said copy. Y because d rasengan is a very difficult jutsu 2 create which u cnt get by just observing sm1 do it, u must train and practice a lot to get it . Saying dat he meant copying like dat is like saying dat u saw an ant's eye with ur naked eyes. Nt happening here.

Tosyn007: Keep contradicting yourself, earlier...you said he copied Sasuke, now you're saying he copied the jutsu..

That aside, when Sasuke copied the jutsu, he did it the exact way he saw it with his sharingan, did Naruto did his the same way? Please say yes...

chidanzy: Zion# thanks for your suggestion but it didn't work lemmie ask ...you think someone could ever be stupid by changing his pc just because FIFA13 is bad ?(like it's the only game in the world ) grow up buddy
Kimco#thanks for that piece of shit I actually learnt from it your just too fast...some dude will say "you de fast forward " too bad for a guy way too bad emm…you too need some growing up to do
Haibe# your just right, the PeS 09 wasnt original cos I remember a description "just chill e go soon finish "while installing it lol Alaba boys must have tampered with it and about the FIFA, it's okay now! thanks to my friend he told me the more I play the better it become ! Silly sheay ? But it worked ! Thanks HAIBE !

haibe: if you read his post well, you will notice he plays pes 2014 and I guess with no issue, its safer to say he bought a fake pes 2009 cd than to say his lappy isnt capable.

Junior360: kolidave; [nice one buh dis games take a lot of space memory and megabytes]

It takes time yes, but with a wifi connection it's quicker. Your should also expand your RAM to at least 2.5GB for better gaming experience.

jmaine: . . .I just tire for the guy.

GustavoFring: Kimco = Eric cartman.

lol

Pure Troll.

Ihedinobi: ^^ Dude, I'm sorry if I sounded like I had an attitude. I wasn't mad or anything. I only wanted you to know how troublesome you can make discussing with you. I usually take the trouble to do all that copying, pasting etc the first few times but it gets unreasonably tedious after a while.

Just try to be more considerate of the people you're discussing with. I don't expect that it's just the two of us that use our phones for NL. There might be others as well.

Ihedinobi: Bro, I hardly Nairaland on my laptop but I still do it. Unless you just want to scuttle the discussion, you really should find the patience to do it. It's why I stopped engaging you several pages back. It was way too much work to go copying the whole post, pasting, deleting, adding the quote tags just to answer your counters.

If you can't do it, just leave the discussion alone unless the people you're conversing with can deal with it. Me, I can't.

Ihedinobi: Kimco, please "quote" correctly the bits of posts that you are responding to so that other posters can respond to your counters effectively. When you place your responses within your quote of another poster's post, it is very troublesome to isolate your counters and respond to them.

To quote parts of a post use "

rapmike: So u likened copying notes and a simple taijutsu move 2 copying d rasengan? Kimco,really? I am nt arguing dis again pls, unles u state d difference btw copying a note and copying d rasengan.

jmaine: What manner of clownish display

How does the tripe post above counter my assertion that more sales = better acceptance under normal conditions.

topcy90: It's monday hummm I just read page 304-308 and i was surprise kimco was able to take all these hit that is the reason why madara fit him well. Interesting how pple are arguing a lot anyway dats GOOD, Wednesday is coming sha be prepared every1

jmaine: Please make your post more discernible with less tear shedding episodes.

Thanks. . . .Ayam waiting.

lalaboi: @kimco

This thread is about PES 2014. The game you referenced is PES against fifa. Fifa is feeding you BS? How about what the same company, PES has been feeding you? and NO that 9year old game is nowhere near better than fifa 12 or 13 at that.

jmaine: You seriously need to stop carrying out a pseudo proxy battle with me by mentioning others when replying my quotes.

I only address those points directed at my post and not what others say.

I don't like moving in endless and needless circles, cos that is exactly what your doing. My Symbian analogy was very apt, concise, clear and very transparent to those with a good brain box on their shoulders. So you need to carry out a self appraisal and take corrective measures.

Yes more patronage signifies acceptance, better is subjective at an individual level.

And i totally believe Tactical defending smokes legacy defence when mastered. No apologies.

jmaine: Hello bruv, please slow your roll right there .No soccer game has better real life customized goal celebrations than FIFA current editions. And the gameplay of FIFA is superb .

I remember fooling people several times who thought they were watching a live football match when in actual fact we were playing FIFA 12 with our control pads hidden.

No defending supercedes tactical defending in FIFA if mastered, and that's a huge fact.


It makes no sense glorifying a 9 yr old forgotten game .We are talking about FIFA 14 Vs PES 14.

lalaboi: I don't even remember anyone saying Tactical defending was "The best". Wasn't it which was one harder to play with? and how the legacy defending/tackling is just automated, making it easier?

I know Kimco from several threads and arguing is one of his hobbies. I just refuse to start writing epistles for someone who just wants to argue at all cost.

jude4us: I found out dat most lazy ppl go for PES (Excuse my use of d word "lazy". They just don't want to chase d ball on d pitch demselves. They want it all done for dem; shots, rebound, dribble, attack and what not. That's why they r always wiped when they get to play FIFA.

jmaine: I called PES O5 a forgotten game and you came rhyming about the active communities supporting.

Now let me play the correct track of our argument, and to show and proof why you are the wrong one here.

Kimco : Mentioned PES 5 as his favorite.

Jmaine: agreed that though he really enjoyed PES 5 on the Xbox, but its now a dated history.

Kimco: Came blasting on "his" preference of PES 5 over FIFA current editions.

Jmaine: Simply countered him and ended by saying it makes no sense glorifying a 9 year forgotten game.

Kimco: Went ballistic telling me how misinformed i am simply because there is a current cache of community keeping the dream alive.

Jmaine: Jmaine succinctly told him that having an active community maintaining a platform doesn't apply to a vast majority of soccer gamers.

He then cited the Symbian/maemo communities still active despite the current invasion of Android, IOS et al., while Symbian is officially a dead platform.

Kimco: Missed the entire point.



A very apt and sad description of yourself.



How does this desperate attempt dispel the fact that majority of gamers who pay the huge bills of soccer games have all gone beyond PES 05 & 06 to current editions.

jmaine: Dude stop exhibiting unusual naivety, you can't expect peeps not to mention FIFA 14 on a PES 14 thread considering the strong rivalry between both.

Labelling others hypocrites simply because we countered your post says a lot about you.

Learn how to use word appropriately and spare the nonsense.



What the hell are you saying, makes no sense. .



Dude we are talking about current soccer series and not some 9 year old game forgotten by a vast majority

If we say Tactical Defending is better than legacy defending, tell me how we defaulted in that based on current experience

You have been the dude arguing miserably trying to force feed us with your nostalgic indulgence for no good at all.

And i gave you specific reasons i preferred tactical to legacy ,while you kept yapping about that on PES 05 without tenable reasons to back it up.

You might need to wear your glasses to peruse this thread for my bullet points preference on Tactical defending.



Not surprising at all to me.



Until you show otherwise, the ignorance is fully yours and sadly embedded.



In most tech platforms, a healthy and overwhelming majority of those who purchase and play the game are those we term as casuals.

The casual tech adopters are always the majority.



If calling me an hypocrite makes you wet your pants, please be my guest and indulge yourself.

tayoccu: Did it occur to you that it could be a translation error?

SageNaruto: Kimco and Tosyn007, there r times wen I read thru ur arguments and I wonda if we r reading d same manga. U've both managed 2 annoy, surprise, baffle, intrigue, and even confuse me wit ur words.
Cos of u both, I've found myself re-reading old manga pages but I still don't knw y u can't understand and agree upon wat written on those pages.
I would hav tried helping but at dis point I'm not sure of wat u r arguing about. Although, I will say dis:
There is no ball of any kind at d base of a chidori. If u say Kakashi copied d rasengan up 2 d shape manipulation level and den add lightening, u would be implying dat chidori is an advanced form of rasengan likened 2 fuuton rasenshuriken.
And yes, Kakashi did say he managed 2 copy it 2 dis level wen he showed it 2 Naruto but did u ever stop 2 think dat maybe he used d word 'copy' cos Minato didn't teach him d technique directly but rada he learnt it on his own after probably knowing hw it was done?!

Basically,
Rasengan = shape manipulation of charkra
.
Chidori = shape and nature manipulation of charkra
.
Fuuton Rasenshuriken = shape and nature manipulation of charkra

Now let me elaborate:
Rasengan rotates charkra and changes it shape into a ball.
.
Chidori takes lightening charkra and shapes it around d hand of its user
.
Fuuton Rasenshuriken rotates charkra, changes it shape into a ball and adds wind charkra.

Note: Charkra has no shape and hence, wen it is given a shape dat is known as shape manipulation, while wen 1 or more of d 5 elements r fused wit charkra, it is called nature manipulation...

WackyJ1: Hahaha. I found this question very funny. Those who have been using the rasengan including the creator himself will tell you the use.

kakashi cudnt even get to the level naruto, jiraiya and minato got. he reached the A class level. what gud is dat if u can't get ti the s class level.


Banana in this analogy is more akin to CHAKRA not what you're trying to make it seem

no i'm using it for the looks. do they look same? no but contain same main ingredient.

This defense does not make sense.
1. rasenshuriken and baki's wind blade which is more transparent?
a. The rasenshuriken and danzo's wind Shuriken which is more transparent?

pointless, u're comparing it to other wind jutsus. are u sayin that if rasengan was mixed it earth by any chance u want to see the ball in the middle like rasenshuriken? wind is much more transparent than lightening. fact. its urs dat is not rly gud

2. Who says you can't see through lightning ?

science says u cant. unless u are telling me u can and have.

And a jutsu that naruto can only use twice with his sage chakra is not concentrated enough for you?

im sorry what is this. does sage mode make wind hard to see thru? is concentrated wind not still wind. or suddenly it'll become denser?

Infact it was basically explained what naruto did to the futon rasengan to turn it into the rasenshuriken, there was no way it wouldn't have had that round epicenter. also in the anime, the rasenshuriken isn't transparent, you can only see the ball from the top and bottom of the center.

what are u even saying now wacky. the wind is transparent for u to see the ball. the ball isnt transparent. chidori has the lightening. how do u expect to see the ball when the lightening is in the way? geez im trying too hard.

3. Are you implying that there is a ball somewhere in the chidori but that we aren't seeing it? exactly.


4. Why hasn't kakashi explained how he developed the chidori from the rasengan. Why didn't Guy forming ITK Mention it to the children.

guy explain what the justu was not a background to it.

and kakashi did...u jux refuse to accept.




plus did u say the chidori is a mass of UNFOCUSED lightening...and nobody tot to take tosyn on for this comment? really people..?
check the manga for the shape of the chidori and see what i mean by unfocused

atleast tell me the instance it was explained

WackyJ1: Lol. This is a weak defense. Did bee not fight the 8 tails?

ur point?


I do hope you understand that there was no point in time that naruto shared kyuubi chakra without modifying it for the intended recipient

oh dear refinery. what of when kyuubi gave kakashi some chakra. did he refine it too? hmmmm?


Lol refresh your memory Kimco, Didn't Sasuke copy Lee's lion combo technique?
And you seem to forget a very vital part of copying.
1. You cannot copy a jutsu that is a hidden clan technique
2. You cannot perform a technique that you copied without the physical trainin or mental level of development needed to perform the technique. So you cannot compare kakashi who was a jounin at the time of acquiring the sharingan to sasuke who was just a genin
3. You cannot perform a technique that requires nature transformation when you do not have a affinity for that nature transformation or a tendency for it.
If you try to counter no 3 remember that the only earth based technique that kakashi has been seen using is the earth wall technique, which is a low ranking technique i doubt he'll be able to perform A rank earth techniques

i applaud u for a brilliant post... i cud reply to this but i'll give u the respect and leave it as dat.

This is a big assumption. Do you have proof?

no i dont... i implied it was an assumption in the next line. u jux cut that off.


You twisted kishi's words to serve your own purpose. Why not just say that the word copy is never used in reference to the sharingan. Whenever it happens to a sharingan user it's just coincidence.
Isn't the first mention of copying jutsu in naruto verse made with reference to the sharingan?

i didnt twist nun. kishi jux wrote himself into a corner and ure defending him. hardly surprising. whether the first reference was a sharingan based ability doesn't mean nothing. kakashi made anoda reference that wasn't sharingan based. thats my point.

Tosyn007: Done that..everything supports your claim.. but i wont hear ooo

WackyJ1: The rasengan was made from the idea of the tailed beast bomb. The SHAPE of both jutsus resembles a BALL.
The rasenshuriken was DEVELOPED from the rasengan and at the center of the jutsu is the SHAPE of a BALL

I asked Kimco to provide me the proof in the chidori that it takes it's Shape manipulation from rasengan and here's what he had to say

Is shape manipulation limited to just the rasengan alone?
Kimco ALL JUTSUS combine both shape manipulation and nature transformation.
The only difference is the TYPE OF SHAPE, the jutsu is being turned into, so If you say that the chidori took the shape manipulation idea from the rasengan you can only say it took the TYPE OF SHAPE not the concept of shape manipulation in general. Remember that kakashi was a jounin at that time, not An idiot

Tosyn007: Already showed this to Kimco but he's saying something else

rapmike: This will help in the argument about rasengan and chidouri
http://www.inaruto.net/naruto/naruto-chapter-321/2/
http://www.inaruto.net/naruto/naruto-chapter-321/3/

Tosyn007: According to Kimco, google, dictionary and the likes aint acceptable...seems he's saying kishi's english is not our normal english, so we need Kishi dictionary.