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Tosyn007: 1. You're forgetting the fact that these dudes are shinobis and not mere humans, so the idea of 'unfamiliar power' doesnt hold weight cos they are still dealing with chakra which they've been living with all their lives, they didn't gain overwhelming power, they just had a meagre part of it, they don't have full access to the real power. And the idea of side effect if there'd be any will suffice after the power wears out.

2, Why are you reaching this far kimco? An A-rank jutsu that took a while for Jiraiya to learn even though Minato was teaching him and was overjoyed when he finally learns it is what you say kakashi just replicates? I never knew you hated Kishi to the extent of twisting his words...
if it was a jutsu you just see and replicate with ordinary eyes, you have any idea how many people would be using it?

WackyJ1: 1. Chakra is not released into the palm before it is turned to lightning chakra.. The jutsu already shows as lightning chakra based jutsu take note from the raikage's jutsu
2. Chidori is not manipulated into a knife edge. It is just lightening chakra surrounding the users palm. The one that is turned into a sword edge is the one that sasuke used with deidera...
Besides there are many other techniques that follow Said pattern and they are not said to be like the rasengan.

example?… also rasengan is the highest form of shape manipulation. kakashi took inspiration from his master's master jutsu and created his own

Tosxn's point which He duly backed up was that kakashi said he COPIED not learnt the Rasengan and for him to have copied it. He had to have had the sharingan and we all know that he invented the chidori before he had the sharingan

WackyJ1: There's An insult hidden here in this statement. This should be the second one after shut up last time


He says it's a mood.


@bolded the likes of me? Ouch



Lol. Maybe you really are a drama queen. Letting small things get to you.
By the way it's not since you came, check the beginning of the thread. It's since 2010 that i have not found a fault with Kishi's work.
I decide to call you out on your weak points when it comes to criticising Kishi's work and you say i'm going highlander on you. It's not a new thing it's what i've noticed since you came but i've not had a direct proof such as this since.

I use a method once which you had no defense against and was still proven wrong and then i try it a second time and you say it's getting old. It's effectiveness must be getting under your skin.

Anyway i won't be judged for my method by a lazy debater like you. Till now you've not provided a manga page that shows that kakashi Said he developed the chidori from the principle of the rasengan.. Why don't you befriend naruto wiki even if you might think that what they is not accurate. They have manga references that could help. I use them myself.

I also notice how you never bothered to actually talk on my questions which were in the post you referenced.
Anyway. Your first sentence still stands and i withdraw Any further opposition.

andy24: If obito too like Rim. Why doesn't he just reanimate her.

Baddestguyp: Guys, i know naruto has contributed a lot bt if i was to choose a hokage right now, i would even consider naruto. He has experienced and done a lot bt i dont just think he is hokage material. What do u guys think

rapmike: Wacky,wen kimco is talking of d principle as pertaining rasengan and chidouri he meant that they use both chakra manipulation and shape manipulation. I wil provide evidence later.

Tosyn007: I'm not talking about the sharing, what I meant is that the chakra is refined, its now a blend of kyuubi and Naruto's chakra, so its harmful feature has been suppressed.

2. He said here that he managed to copy it...you can check the link to go through it fully....http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/321/10

jmaine: Legacy Defending is less . . . . . .Tactical Defending is way superior

tayoccu: @Kimco
Please stop criticizing kishi's writing style, its his story, he has the right to write it the way he wants to, and you have the right to choose either to read or not.
Why not write you own story and let's see how well you write?
I bet you can't write a decent bed time story.

Tosyn007: 1. Its obvious now...then he had no control of Kyuubi's chakra which was overriding his own chakra i.e he was using Kyuubi's pure chakra directly, but now their chakra have blended together and that's the chakra he's using now, that's the equation they showed in the manga when he was sharing out his chakra.

2. I never said chidori came before rasengan and/or vice versa, you're the one saying Kakashi said rasengan is the basis of his chidori and I asked you to prove it...still waiting for my proof.

3. Others have answered this.

Tosyn007: He already had chidori, though imperfect before he had the sharingan, he has no control over his speed and movement while using chidori originally which made it imperfect but could do those after he had the sharingan, so in conclusion, he had the chidori way before the rasengan.

WackyJ1: This post is incoherent..
You don't theorise like i do yet you agree with someone else's theory just then. That is why i criticised you.
You decry the writer's ability yet you subscribe to someone's theory that accentuate's the type of the writers style.
You insinuate that we are blinded to mishaps and lags in the writers continum but you've agreed to something that actually stresses the opposite.
Add all this to your recent flop [I think this is the third one this month] with the susanoo, we can very well accuse you of having beef with Kishi


When was the last time that we saw naruto's flesh being torn off by the kyuubi's power? Was it not months before the war ?
Kimco do you want to say honestly that the mode that naruto the jinchuuriki Was entering when his skin was being torn off was the same as the one he's currently in?
2. Were naruto and the Kyuubi friends at that time?
[I'm expecting a silly comeback question like how does naruto being friends with the kyuubi affect the fact that the chakra was dangerous back then]

jmaine: I believe you bruv . . . .

When you go Tactical defending, you don't settle for less

Na the Shirt pulling dey sweet pass . .

lalaboi: It is not forced. Only shows u are used to presing X and expect the dummy to go pick up d ball. With tactical you have to be the one to 'make the tackle' . .

rapmike: Kimco, easy now, Sasuke's Susano'o had a sword in d kages summit, its nt out of place.


Abt hashirama seeing smting or sm1,my take is dat madara may have formed a clone (maybe fission clone like what Muu does) and used that to escape hashirama. On top of dat i feel that Tobirama knew dat Madara survived bt could nt tell d snr bro. Y i said dat tobirama may know is because he said he wantd 2 set smting rite when d 4 hokages were going 2 battle, back in konoha. Cnt remember d page bt it was d same page dat hashirama was saying dat he wantd 2 c how his old friend was doing.

Kaycee7: Sensei, you're losing your touch. Sasuke used Susano'o sword even at the Gokage summit to destroy the pillars. His Susano'o is both arrow and sword capable

GRIMM JOE: @kimco are u alright dont u know day susanoo is formed from chakra d sword is also chakra

SageNaruto: Don't knw if sum1 else has already pointed dis out, was feeling 2 lazy 2 go thru all d comments...
Basically, Chidori is Raikiri. Raikiri is a nickname given 2 chidori after Kakashi supposedly used it 2 cut a lightening bolt (Guy explained dis during d chuunin exam acre)...
On anoda point, Kakashi didn't copy d Rasengan, he learned/mastered it but given dat it was an incomplete jutsu, he created his own jutsu (chidori) but couldn't completely master it until he had Obito's sharigan. He explained dis wen he wanted Naruto 2 complete rasengan (hence rasenshuriken)..
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Chidori = chime of a thousand birds(or sumtyn lyk dat.
Raikiri = lightening cutter (chidori's nickname after it was used 2 cut a lightening bolt)

WackyJ1: Sometimes you can't connect the dots. It seems you just want to purposely be blind to kishi's writing style. You want him to be explaining certain basic concepts that he's already explained before
Where was naruto hurt recently buy the kyuubi's chakra?

U'RE RYT. I CANT CONNECT DOTS SO DO DAT FOR ME, WILL U? THANKS MAN.

ALSO I MEANT UNTIL RECENTLY, HE WAS HURT BY IT.


Unfamiliar power you say? Have they not been using the kyuubi's chakra since? Before they jumped into the tail?
And pray tell what adverse effects were you expecting?


THEY HAVE? OH U MEAN THE CLOAK NARUTO USED TO PROTECT THEM? U COMPARE THAT CLOAK TO THE POWER SO IMMENSE IT GAVE THEM KYUUBI MODES? U CAN DO BETTER.

You're a lazy debater Kimco, we've requested for the exact page or atleast tell us the chapter and the page so that we can go see for ourselves but you have refused. I watched it as well i don't recall there ever being a mention of kakashi inventing the chidori for the idea of the rasengan.

I AGREE I'M LAZY. BUT NOW I'M ON NSS (GHANA VERSION OF NYS) BEAR WITH ME. IF U'VE WATCHED IT AND HAVEN'T SEEN IT THEN SERIOUSLY. U NEED TO WATCH CAREFUL.

Keep waiting for answer. This has got to be the silliest question about the susanoo yet... It's sasuke's susanoo sword. And it'll be pitiful if you come back to say that because so far, all sasuke's susanoo has been using are arrows then why did he suddenly have a sword and then you go on to calling the sword An asspull.

NICE DEFENCE. BY MAKING MY POSSIBLE ATTACK ARGUMENT KNOWN U FOREWARN OTHERS AND RENDER IT ALMOST USELESS AND DRIVE ME TO A CORNER. DEFENCE TACTICS AGAINST PERSUASION ...FOREWARNING.....SOCIAL PSYCHOLOLGY 101. BUT I'LL CALL UR BLUFF AND STICK TO THAT VERY ARGUMENT. NOW COUNTER.

WackyJ1: You'll support that and yet come back and be criticising Kishi?

The thing i liked about what that guy did was that he saw something unexplained and mysterious and instead of screaming poor writing and decaying manga he was observant and he used just two blocks within a single manga page to attempt to explain a big manga mystery. That's what i keep telling you about. You saw the same page and yet you didn't notice anything or if you did you didn't try to connect it in any way. If Kishi had just revealed someone as the person that saved madara and then didn't elaborate further [possibly saving it for the next two mangas], you'll be crying foul.
Kishi with his sense just dropped those two blocks there as a preexplanation and a prelude to whatever stunt he'll pull next. That's how he does his thing. We that don't believe in ass pull will be racking our memories trying to find the link because we believe that kishi doesn't just pull stuff out of thin air.

Now as to what the guy put there. I can't dispute the fact that harashima looking up with exclamation sign probably means that there was someone there and it's also possible that the person might have rescued madara and given him the DNA. But what i disagree with is that the person gave him the rinnegan and also that the person could be the sage's first son. That assumption is too far a stretch. On the other hand there are two possibilities as to the identity of the helper
1. Madara wasn't the only uchiha of that era
2. Harashima wasn't the only one who could make a good clone.

Tosyn007: Where was Naruto shown to be getting hurt recently by Kyuubi's chakra?

Now you're twisting words, you said earlier that Kakashi's chidori was the basis for the rasengan and now you're claiming that someone said chidori came before rasengan.

Get your claims straight

Baddestguyp: I got this theory somewhere. Remember hashirama tot he had spotted sumtin or someone afta his fight with madara. Could it be that the person saved madara, gave him hashirama's dna and the rinnegan. Madara's rinnegan is quite suspicious. It could be the SOSP's elder son that saved madara nd gave him the rinnegan he got 4rm his father. He could be the real mastermind behind it all.

jmaine: You no lie bros, mastering and getting accustomed to the Tactical Defending mode is something else . . .

Though I prefer using the tactical defence than the legacy mode of constant "X" pressing.

Tosyn007: Seems you're still too weak to argue or maybe you realise you've got nada..

Tosyn007: Seems you're still too weak to argue or maybe you realise you've got nada..

topcy90: are u satisfied

Tosyn007: This is the page closest to what you think you're right about...

Do you really read the manga?

jude4us: I found out dat most lazy ppl go for PES (Excuse my use of d word "lazy". They just don't want to chase d ball on d pitch demselves. They want it all done for dem; shots, rebound, dribble, attack and what not. That's why they r always wiped when they get to play FIFA.

UNLEASHED: Your PSN ID is not your email address.

chidanzy: Guys u've gotta checkout pes13 pc version mern! The graphics are much better than the playstation 2 version. You can't do stupid things with the ball, can't even run with carelessly mern you gotta the ball ! No stupid penetration ! Mern it's just like FIFA !
Buh I still like FIFA tho

jmaine: Na just small MB e dey be. Na so I run update my own thinking say I go fit dump my Pre-patch FIFA 14 for corner but nothing just change

Thank God for the PC version, I don download the latest squad update for my PC version sharply from one online source

No time . . . .