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rapmike: I was abt saying dat and i suspectd it long tyme ago. I feel dat 4 doujutsu eyes, d chakra changes 2 smting more powerful wen d eyes r activatd.

seriously why cant u guys see bs and call a spade a spade....?

1.to activate susanoo u need the makugyo(spelling) sharingan in both eyes. dats the requirement. no makegyou...no susanoo. now he has no sharingan and he can still call upon susanoo? pls tell me it doesnt make sense. i mean to even summon susanoo there needs to be a symbol change to the eyes even. so how did madara do it?

SageNaruto: Exactly wat I'm saying... Madara was able to collect Hashirama's senjutsu charkra cause he already has a part of Hashirama in him(Madara)... So, we can rule out dat he nids a Rinnegan based jutsu 2 absorb d charkra.

he was hit with amateratsu immediately he was revived. Are u saying dat hashi can absorb jutsu jux with his body? pls enlighten us

questions.....

1. how did madara absorb amateratsu?

2. how did he control hashirama without the rinnegan.

3. where da hell did susanoo come from... Jesus!

4. i remember for eye transplants, both sasuke and kakashi were operated on. why did madara jux plug it in like a doll's eye?

helloooo every one. long tym.

Tosyn007: Seriously?

i'll speak for goku...the guy is a planet destroyer. they destroy planets for fun in dat anime/manga

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Ihedinobi: Kimco, I'm comin back to whup your damn butt, you little piece of annoyance I just gotta take a small vacation - old friends and all that

Oh I'm so gonna rip into you like a herd of angry rhinos

my son...dat iroko tree dat boasts is nothing to the small sharp axe...u know i will deal with u anyways so come and take.

Tosyn007: You're totally missing the point dude, where did I say it doesn't matter? What I'm saying is that these people rarely locate themselves by mere sight, they have better means of locating their opponents as I mentioned above. What's the essence of mere sight, when there are jutsus for transformation, camouflage, these people can even change the color of their clothes for God's sake..

How many times in the anime did you see shinobis locate themselves in the anime by mere sight?

What's the essence of putting on all black to assassinate when the victim or his subordinate can sense even before you leave your house?

they dont because their costumes are not loud or they use proper means like jiraiya. naruto doesnt have dat means. when he was a kid he had no proper means of stealth yet was allowed to don a loud colour. he didnt get noticed...a boy who cudnt rly hide his chakra need to rely on environmental blend. if it a higher level mission he doesnt go. if it's manageable he wud go. so please never dismiss the costume at all.

my point was for when he used to stealth as a kid, and not now...he doesnt see the need anymore.

GRIMM JOE: seriosly dude are - really asknt me wherpan stealth when he invaided konoha did does baria guard notice him ..when he was syping on d six tail till he was allone b4 he came out from h was h noticed when he enter d salamander one of his animal datbcomes invisibl was

he was noticed the moment he broke dat barrier wat are u even saying? also when u r invincible nothing else matters...not his loud hair, not his clothes nothing...however naruto is not invisible, never has been. so ur defence using pain fell short from the get go.

spying on the weakling dat is the 6 tails? btw who said he was spying until they were alone? did u see him spy until they were alone?...besides... was that even cannon?

Tosyn007: Its seems you've seen to many commando movies that you forget these are not real people and the normal rules aint valid here..how many times in the anime have you seen shinobis discovered by looking for them with mere eyes?
Sense of smell, chakra and ocular visions are what are used to detect shinobis, what's the sense in costumes colors when there are shinobis that can sense your approach from miles away..stay in the fantasy world meen

I didn't say they pioneered the art, I said they most likely are part of those who set up the rules being followed since they started the idea of hidden villages, it was in their era that organization came into existence...

occular vision? pls only konoha ninjas have occular users.

also are saying dat because someone can sense u it doesnt matter to wear loud colors to a stealth mission? really? tosyn u're seriously reaching here. it pays to secure urself throughout. a camouflage so dat they dnt see u. simple. dont exclude dat. if u can hide ur presence and wear a loud color it'll be useless. they'll still see u. ever tot of dat...huh.

maybe naruto himself is giving u battle tips. sorry no plot no jutsu for u.

tayoccu: He seems to have forgotten that Gai thrashed Marara's susano'o( not his ultimate susano'o o!), with 1 move, and that move isn't even half of shinra tensei.
Now imagine what shinra tensei will do to itachi's susano'o.
About the grand fireball, or any other katon jutsu, they're so overhyped, how many kills can be attributed to katon jutsus? Just Danzo's lame summon

seriously ihedinobi is severely underrating shinra tensei

...oh and jiraiya's own. he killed dat flying summon with a katon

Ihedinobi: Pleeeeeease! If it did nko? Have you seen the Gokakyou katon no jutsu? Does it look like a mean thing to you? And you suppose susanoo is a pile of old bones too? Kimco are you for real?

u dnt know wat u're saying...seriously...u're comparing gokakyou no jutsu's force to shinra tensei's force. it wnt even graze it. it'll get wiped with itachi sustaining internal bleeding.

Ihedinobi: Dude try and use your head a bit. Read what I wrote. What normal katon? And why should the katon "fare" at all? Is it countering the shinra tensei? Or is it just reducing the force with which Itachi would be pushed by the jutsu ? Did I not mention his ultimate defence? Since when does shinra tensei "tear" anything apart? Is it not simply a crush? Would it even do damage if the person being pushed never hit an obstacle?

shinra tensei tore apart a village and tore apart a rocky wall behind jiraiya...u can swap the word swap with crush...

u dnt seem to know what shinra tensei really is. im sorry for u if u think the force of gyoukaku no jutsu can reduce it's effect. it too a six tail to deflect it. three huge toads coming with full force were sent so far away. if u know this then u'd know guoukaku is jux fire works to celebrate pain's victory. u asking whether it'll do damage if there is no obstacle is indicative of u not knowing wat the jutsu is. ask those three toads dat didnt get up again and were mistakely thought dead by visitors if it did them any damage at all.

Ihedinobi: Lol. Now Itachi is a strong opponent abi? Strong enough to even warrant the attention that Pein gave Jiraiya? And you said he's mid difficulty for him. Lol. Was Jiraiya mid difficulty? Dude took down three Peins and he was only trying to get info. If all six had been arrayed against him from the onset, I daresay he'd have won or at least escaped with his life.

Very funny. Because it is his greatest defence it is also his most effective in all situations? That's overly simplistic.

u are a joke if u think jiraiya cud handle all six at once. he had no info
and dat was a handicap. plus pain did win mid diff. he only lost one body.

so yes...pain takes itachi mid diff.

Ihedinobi: Specu-fire. You've never heard of hypotheses? And where did you see unknown jutsus in my post?

I think this one was a bit too much for you. My point was too simple for you to miss it.

sorry so we're hypothesizing? kk i hypothesize pain will also pull something out to destroy itachi completely...

the unknow jutsu is u saying that itachi wud pull something up.

ur turn pls.

GRIMM JOE: u were complain that narutcan't blend grass but why didn't pain found out or sense dat naruto has transfor his self into rockssssssss
through shadow clone isnt dat stealth
pain can bcum invisible even with is loud hair isnt dat stealth
all d listed can b used 4 steath mission



kisame hidd inside his sword isnt dat stealth
ur bright lou crlour does nnot matter

oh kk...let's compare the chaotic tym of pain vs naruto to a quiet stealth mission where guards are on high alert. well done grim joe.

where was pain stealthy? tell me please.

kisame who's chakra was indistinguishable to that of his sword dat now belonged to bee? are u comparing naruto to dat?

Logicboy03: Itachi couldnt even face Jiraya.....have you forgotten?

u mean wouldn't.

Ihedinobi: And one hell of an exaggeration too. You have no idea how large or small Itachi's coffers are. When he took out chibaku tensei with Bee and Naruto, did he use Susano'o to do it? Why do you insist that he will counter shinra and chibaku tensei with Susano'o? He could counter chibaku tensei with katon no jutsu or amaterasu. Perhaps he'll counter shinra tensei with taijitsu too. Why must it be susano'o? Is Susano'o the best for every situation?


Who said I was praising him? I was particularly insisting that we can't judge his true abilities by what he did as an unkillable ET. It was part of my argument that you all are grossly underestimating him.

oh are we speculating now? ok let's play a game of unknown powers...i predict that pain will have an even bigger jutsu to counter itachi's ultimate super dupa unknown jutsu. get real man...we are arguing with jutsus available to us not the unknown
...did u see me make mention of any unknown jutsus in favour of pain?

wat....if we cant judge him dere where he had limitless chakra and invincibility then when can we. the only new jutsu we saw of him was izanami.

Ihedinobi: Not my game o! It wasn't me you were arguing with at the onset, bro. My interest is your particular annoyance with Naruto as if he's everything that's wrong with Kishi's story.

Nobody in Naruto has been shown to be particularly interested in being stealth. They all go stealth when a mission requires it, otherwise they live and act like being a shinobi is just like any regular job.

the fact that they are tot by their sensei is enuff to make it important in every way...cos they are ninjas. eg...orochimaru cutting off his arms cos he can manipute his body and so wud not use hands seals is absurd cos thats the basics of their ninja.

oh he and a few others are everything wrong with the manga naruto...ironically.

Ihedinobi: The instant I read "asspull" or "arsepull" in your arguments, I unconsciously dismiss them. That is not a serious argument, man.

You'll find that I've already explained about Pein's not bothering with strategies. It is obvious that he doesn't need to plan too much unless he's facing a really strong or really smart opponent. That's why he had to really set to work to fight Jiraiya and he used his brain against the six/seven-tailed kyuubi too.

I'm wondering why you think Itachi will pit Susano'o against chibaku tensei. You really haven't seen his fights?

shud have put asspul in quotes.

after citing jiraiya as an eg of why he might be pushed to use his head u went ahead to not realised dat that statement answered ur question? itachi is also a strong opponent. in fact let me help u...replace jiraiya's name with itachi and see how similar dat sounds.

i think he wud because dats his greatest defends and offence. y wud he pit anything else.

pickabeau1: who is the chic under ichigo

kora from avatar season two

tayoccu: The fireball will reduce the effect no doubt (maybe from 200km/hr to like 197km/hr) , the reduction might not be so significant

it wnt atall...imo.

Ihedinobi: No I'm not. Say, shinra tensei pushes you toward a wall and you blow a strong fireball at the wall, the fireball will oppose some of the force of the shinra tensei. It's like when somebody tries to push you into a wall and you push back at the wall to resist his push. Add to that fireball susano'o and shinra tensei may not do as much harm as it would ordinarily have.

I know it was about what he told Kisame. I just didn't understand what you were saying about it.

Thanks for the link, bro.

oh Jesus...it pushed amateratsu away why in Gods name wud a normal katon fare any better. it is overwhelming force field that tears u apart from close range....even as an endo itachi took tym to recover from it. please only his ultimate defence can help him and even dat one sef....

come again

Tosyn007: Seems you forgot that these set up the first hidden village prompting other clans to follow suit and create theirs, so who ate the ninjas before them that create rules when all was in chaos?

Oh and what has stealth gotta do with color of costume? I thought stealth is movement based?

u tot stealth was movement based only...what is happening to this place? why do ninjas even wear black atall to assasinate....i mean real ninjas...why not wear yellow and move swiftly...that wud be nice wont it.


also are u saying dat madara and hashirama pioneered the art of ninja? are u even serious? what they did was create a formal institute to train young ninjas in the art.


this is too easy.

Ihedinobi: Mehn, I've forgotten too much about that episode. Do you remember what chapter it was so I can go look it up? Thanks for the info, btw.


I can't think of one o among the stuff he has. But lemme see: shinra tensei is extremely powerful. But I wonder if a quick gokakyou (shebi that's the giant one?) katon no jutsu in the opposite direction combined with the Susano'o would drastically reduce the force of impact.


I don't quite get the above, bro.

shinra tensei dat leveled a whole village.? focused on one man? ihedinobi are u for real? it didnt jux level it it caved it in.

Ihedinobi: This ^^^

very poor of u man...u're soooo reaching now.

raficki87: what does it profit a ninja to where camouflage when their are chakra sensors,byakugan etc instead of masking ur chakra. Plus the travel mostly on trees. ANBU (mostly assasins) that need the camouflage wear dark colors. Even they wud prioritize chakra masking cuz most of their trget have sensors or subordinates wit it eg during the kage meeting every one came with sensors or sumone wit a similar ability

so they shud wear bright colors and mask their chakra? and u got 3 likes for this. it all goes a long way. and dats wat they do...wear camouflage and mask ur chakra. the fact that they travel on tree shud even be more reason for camouflage. the whole place is mostly flora.

Mutaino7: Kimco 4 get about stealth or quiteness even minato was recognise as yellow flash, kakashi mistaken as white fang, jiraiya wore red gown too, sakura pink dress nd hair. d way kishi potray naruto uzu is a 100% genius creativity. when a ninja boy dat strives 4 attention starts wearing grey color shirt, has dark hair, silent nd gentle in class u will begin to ask questions. naruto was even at most times recognise by his loudness and unlistening character which gives him out. dats y most times he attacks first y others ochestrate plan b,c nd so on. nd about tnj...diz is wat am gonna say a repentant sinner or converted chain smoker, thief, witch will be able to draw crowd, get more hardened criminals alike to change their ways cos they too wanna undergo dsame radiant xter d ex. is showing. u want to change school...u will first b convinced by a patroniser or d testimony u hear about d said school u wanna change to. so i hope u know y tnj will always b effective. note naruto character(behavior) changes most of his opponent by tnj bcoms effective e.g zabuza arc where naruto was crying 4 haku..he didnt even mention anytin about imsef, lady chiyo, iruka sensei, tsunade, shikamaru, bee's training on beast bomb, kurama, d other tailed beasts... the neva gv up attitude nd the will to help others no matter how.

then why were they tot stealth? if u say is true den kishi has contradicted himself. "oh stealth is gud but not for the major characters". did u see how jiraiya stealth? dnt compare dose two atall. he uses toads and shadows to stealth. his uniform wnt count for nada.

Ihedinobi: I didn't answer it? Why then do you agree with me? Of course the matchup can only be judged by the skills and the jutsus of both characters. That's what I said.

I also have continued to say that we have seen that Itachi surprises a lot. It is abundantly evident that he has more jutsus in his arsenal than he has been shown to display. And he is incredibly skilled with them. Therefore, I would not hand the fight to Pein simply because he has Almighty Push and Itachi has Susano'o. Itachi might choose to respond to Almighty Push with something else. I doubt that you saw his counter to chibaku tensei coming when Nagato soloed him, Bee and Naruto.

Besides, your comeback is not that great. The question assumed that Pein would use Almighty Push. I personally did not insist that he would. One thing I expect from a good fighter is resourcefulness. And Itachi has shown that he is very very resourceful. What Pein showed is that he is extremely powerful and nigh on invulnerable so he does not try to plan strategies or anything. He only keeps his skills secret.

ur response is poor as well. very unlike u. if pain didnt plan then in the battle against jiraiya and vs konoha he wudnt have survived. please jux cos he doesn't arsepull like itachi and naruto doesnt mean itachi is much more resourcefull. when u have dat much power people hardly pudh u. however it doesnt mean u r not resourceful enough.

chibsku tensei is enuff for susanoo. it took an 8 tail kyuubi to destroy it....and others.

Ihedinobi: The bolded is flawed reasoning. All-out battle is the reason that people from opposing sides would want to be inconspicuous to each other, Kimco. It's the reason that neither Madara nor Hashi told the other their surnames and Madara caught himself before giving away that he had a sharingan.

So, if ninja should be inconspicuous in dressing at any time, Hashi, Tobirama and Madara should be like chameleons.

i played ur game. u too cant assume dat they wore red when stealthing. cos we didnt see dem stealth. wat we did see was a head on battle with both wearing their respective clan costume. naruto and sakura however we have seen stealth. it's a wonder nobody cud make him out in the bushes. he's bright orange ffs.

Ihedinobi: Oh I'm willing to assume that the Susano'o is his ultimate defence. Now I want to know how that fact proves that Pein would kill him medium difficulty. Show me how Itachi's Susano'o could not possibly raise Pein's difficulty to high or even cost him his win over Itachi.


If Hidan is your example of others, I don't think you are addressing anything I said. Hidan had only two strengths: the secrecy surrounding his technique - as long as you didn't know what he was trying to do with that weird weapon of his, he could kill you; and his immortality. Hidan could never be described as smart by any standards. He fought very carelessly because he wasn't afraid to die. He didn't bother to try to kill his opponent with complex techniques because he only cared about drawing blood for his ritual. That's who you want to compare with Itachi-san.

Itachi is the one character in Naruto that I personally feel like I still don't know that well despite everything else. His was the first Susano'o we saw in the series and it showed up just when we thought he was dead from kirin's blast. It was after he died that we saw that he even had izanami in his arsenal. Makes you wonder just how much more he had.

Simply put, Itachi is still the surprise in Naruto. Against Pein, I wouldn't bet that he would lose. I might even bet that he'll win.

Seriously, now, show me some real argument for why he'll definitely lose against Pein.

1. shinra tensei and chibaku tensei are enough to overwhelm susanoo. the sealing sword wnt seal him if he wants to absorb it. there's nothing dat can in itachi's coffers that can scratch him...exaggeratting ofcos. but u get the idea.



2. i meant if u r praising itachi for using the fact dat he is an edo tensei ninja to his advantage den praise hidan for combining with kakuzu's destructive abilities using his immortality as a buffer...so to speak.

GRIMM JOE: have u heard of transformation justu ninjas execpt taijustu users like gai can tranform to .ny live or non living thing

oh my God did u jux say that? if transformation is so great why do ninjas teach stealth as a basics in the first plax....i know...cos it jux a waste of chakra... u'll be found out. jounins aren't idiots u know. even chounins can probably see thru it.

rapmike: I dnt tink stealth was important in d beginning at 1st. Yea,it gav sum pipu d advantage bt considering neji was on white,naruto on red, ten-ten on a bright colour etc, it may nt be dat important unles it was a very serious mission e.g assasination

u cant say dat. the essence of a ninja is stealth. the reason they arm themselves is to defend when stealth goes wrong. but stealth is the first technique every ninja employs. it is necessary. plus i've seen naruto stealth with his team b4.