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panaroma: lemme help out here *coughs*

according to wikipedia

copy: An imitation or reproduction of an original;

learn: the acquisition of knowledge or skills through study, experience, or being taught.

develop: to cause (something) to grow or become bigger or more advanced


i hope i have been of help

Tosyn007: Raikiri has higher level of chakra manipulation that chidori

i wanna know this for sure cos guy called them same


When Naruto said it will be easy for him to inject his nature element to rasengan was when Kakashi said if that was the case, he wouldn't have needed to develop his chidori to Raikiri.

he said no such thing...and u say i read my manga on 3310. oh the irony

Chidori already has both chakra and shape manipulation, that's why it has lightning, but still it wasn't as strong as rasengan which only involves shape manipulation, so after copying the rasengan, he tried to add his chakra element to it but it didn't work, that's why he decided to develop his chidori, giving him raikiri

so hold up...he had chidori but decided copy rasengan from idk... decides to inject his chakra, failed and decided to improve his old tech. even though chidori was utilising the basic principle of rasengan already? how thats this make any sense.

He didn't develop chidori from rasengan, he developed raikiri from chidori...

atleast bring something that slightly points to that fact

If you aint using google and dictionary to check meanings of words, I'll advice you order for the dictionaries Kishi is using to coined the english he uses in the manga..

i think u're doing this on purpose. in shs i was thought that words cud mean different things in a context...hyperboles and oxymorons spring to mind. in psychology we called them operatoonal definition. dictionary definition doesnt always fit the context. i know i have seen the word developed used to mean create or gain somewhere... i know i'll find it.

Tosyn007: No time period involved or needed, he said it happened after the canabi bridge which was when he acquired his sharingan..that's what he's tryna point out!

Tosyn007: Kimco!!!!! Haaaaaaaaaa

Lee uses ropes/bandages, Naruto uses clones, Lee appears to the person's back and brings him head down twisting the person with utmost speed while Naruto kicks the person up with his clones and kicks the person down...Sharingan copies the exact jutsu and replays/redoes it the exact same way, weren't you taught?

Naruto saw it and looked for ways to do something that looks like it..

Tosyn007: Wooow kimco...you are likening abundant chakra to tsunami, haba..tsunami is an accident and what we are talking here is intentional

The Silver brothers' part, you're still comparing kyuubi's raw to a refined one, you seem to not wanna understand..

Now to Kakashi, the Kakashi we know is cunny but humble, if he had help from Minato to "copy" rasengan as you stated, he would have said that to Naruto and not say "copy".

And moreover, Sharingan is synonymous to COPY, its only sharingan that copies jutsus, if you wanna acquire a jutsu you learn..and I'm very sure that Kakashi knows the differences between "copy" and "learn" and he aint dumb to replace one with the other

rapmike: Naruto's barrage is almost completely different 4rm sasuke's lion's barrage. I wil say dat naruto just borrowed d concept,nt d jutsu. That is diff 4rm copying d rasengan

Wan47: n dier controls.... De trap balls too much, even in front of an empty goal... D defenders does dat too... Its reli anoyin. I cant wait 4 d patch

jmaine: please look up the meaning of hypocrite before misapplying it.

This thread is about PES 14, and we have FIFA 14 at the other end of it. So those doing contemporary comparison with either games is valid. And this doesn't change the fact that yapping on 9 year old forgotten game makes less sense .

Tactical defending supercedes Legacy defending when mastered. Only noobs who don't know how to utilize tactical defending whine to no where.

Dude, having an active community maintaining an old platform doesn't equate to huge desirability, interest and followership. It's like grandstanding on the defunct Symbian/maemo OS, simply because a small community are still active on it

Mr Man PES 05/06 is technically dead to a vast majority of gamers. Your trying to use the desires of an infinitesimal few to mirror the majority of active gamers falls flat on the face of simple logic.

When you go FIFA , PES becomes another pile of boring shyte.

jmaine: Stop using words aimlessly dude, what is the hypocrisy on this thread.

You have your views and i have mine, so keep the hypocrisy crap out of our discuss.

Wan47: No offence bro bt I reli enjoy d pes13 n nw beginnin 2 like pes14 esp dier heart system n some lovely celebration (wen nani or cr7 scores an fk).... Bt I stil dnt undastand y u'r stil on pes5!

Tosyn007: What's there to question?

rapmike: Kimco, Kakashi copied d rasengan, isn't dat enuf 2 deduce dat he used d sharingan? Tell me where in narutoverse dat d word copy was equivalent of learn or practice,eh? If copy is learn as u cal it, then we can then say dat naruto copied d rasengan 4rm Jiraiya and d sharingan copying skills r shit since ppl can copy anyting.

jmaine: My sentiments exactly. . . . .

lalaboi: @kimco

This thread is about PES 2014. The game you referenced is PES against fifa. Fifa is feeding you BS? How about what the same company, PES has been feeding you? and NO that 9year old game is nowhere near better than fifa 12 or 13 at that.

jmaine: Hello bruv, please slow your roll right there .No soccer game has better real life customized goal celebrations than FIFA current editions. And the gameplay of FIFA is superb .

I remember fooling people several times who thought they were watching a live football match when in actual fact we were playing FIFA 12 with our control pads hidden.

No defending supercedes tactical defending in FIFA if mastered, and that's a huge fact.

It makes no sense glorifying a 9 yr old forgotten game .We are talking about FIFA 14 Vs PES 14.

Wan47: U stil play pes5 because ur damn pc cant play dix latest version or u jst 2 old fashion 2 adapt 2 new tech.... Dats d ugly truth bro

Tosyn007: He developed chidori to Raikiri which is more precise and deadlier than chidori, google the word "develop" to see it they are truly same as "create"

Tosyn007: page link or image..whichever suits you.

WackyJ1: Sigh.... *Recalls those times he defended kimco from some posters on this thread...
I did say Maybe...
The point is that you missed the point of what i was trying to say and made it seem as If i had something against you personally..
And yes i can call you drama queen because in all my time on this thread i've never refused to counter an argument because of something personal mentioned.

WackyJ1: 1. It was Kishi that gave you this idea based on his previous writing and now you want to use it to attack his later writing?
2. You keep mentioning overwhelming power and that it's supposed to come with some side effects. That is a claim but before you make such a claim by it, i'd like to see your account for changes like
a. Examples of times that OVERWHELMING BIJUU Power has injured someone POSSESSING THE POWER, note the word possessing, i didn't say the bijuu jutsu power being used against the person. And Note that i was specific in saying Biju power
b. Now you mentioned naruto the last time.. As your example of the above. Now how do you account for the following
i. The biju mode that naruto entered during PART 1 that always injured him is different from the mode he's in now
ii. Naruto is in BIJU MODE now but he's not in the STANDARD BIJU MODE. the type that killer bee enters and the type he would have entered If he had been allowed to progres from 8 tails to 9 when he was breaking out of Pain's Chibaku tensei. My point is that the mode that naruto is in now is more like a super advanced CHAKRA SHROUD than the PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION of the beast within.
iii. Then on a minor but NOT INCONSEQUENTIAL note, the fact that naruto has been able to make his biju chakra more acceptable by normal non jinchuuriki ninjas for use.


So far we have not seen any sharingan user that does not have the susanoo, amaterasu and other high powered MS Techniques. My point is simple. So far the only sharingan users we've seen extensively are uchihas and These uchihas all have high powered techniques that they prefer using to more mundane and less powerful techniques.. Even obito did not used anything more than his kamui and then some fire techniques which was only far later during the war.
We can not over estimate kakashi's jutsu copying abilities without first accounting for the fact that kakashi's sharingan is only capable of Only one form of Kamui expression and that apart from that he has no other sharingan based technique to fall back on. Meaning he has to use the more inherent and less visible abilities that the sharingan grants the user which is 1. To be read and predict opponents movements. 2. To be able to cast good genjutsu 3. To be able to copy jutsu. So far the uchihas we've seen have been seen doing the first two but not the third. Why? I just mentioned why. Point is, we shouldn't over estimate kakashi's ability to copy jutsu because he's been seen using it more without considering the fact that it is most likely he is doing so because of lack of a better alternative like the other uchihas do


Hahaha. This is very funny. Kimco this is very disappointing of you.
If i should be the one doing what you're doing now you'd have skinned me alive.
For the first time you're not taking the manga's words at face value even when it is something direct, simple and said by the actual person doing it. Or are you implying that the word "Learnt" does not exist in kakashi's dictionary?
The man has the sharingan. He is the "Copy Ninja" Because of the sharingan. And now the Copy ninja said he copied it and now you're saying he doesn't know what he's saying? Have you "Copied" a thousand JUTSUS?

WackyJ1: Look at the shape of the chidori and look at the shape of the rasengan and see If There is any relation to it.
If the chidori was developed from the idea of the rasengan then there should be a resemblance between the two jutsus.
Even the rasenshuriken has a core like a rasengan.
Meanwhile the chidori is just a mass of unfocused lightning chakra around the users palm.. I don't see the HIGHEST LEVEL OF SHAPE MANIPULATION there. If anything it resembles regular lightning based technique like the ones used by the ninjas of the hiden cloud.

WackyJ1: Look at the shape of the chidori and look at the shape of the rasengan and see If There is any relation to it.
If the chidori was developed from the idea of the rasengan then there should be a resemblance between the two jutsus.
Even the rasenshuriken has a core like a rasengan.
Meanwhile the chidori is just a mass of unfocused lightning chakra around the users palm.. [b]I don't see the HIGHEST LEVEL OF SHAPE MANIPULATION there[b/]. If anything it resembles regular lightning based technique like the ones used by the ninjas of the hiden cloud.

Kaycee7: Kimco Sensei. Take my hand. Come back to the good side. Even Obito is changing his mind.

Tosyn007: Minato sealed a raw chakra in himself and he numb cos he was practically out of chakra and he didn't use the recommended sealing techniques, the chakra we are discussing is a refined chakra and you say them being shinobis doesn't mean a thing? c'mon man...WTF..you've been used to something all your life and then an increase in it will suddenly kill you? When you are an staunch alchoholic all your life, and you drink a stronger alcohol than before, so you're saying its gonna have a very dverse effect cos its stronger?


why yes it would. just cos we drink water or bathe it doesn't too much of them might kill us. eg the tsunami in india some years ago hadnt only kill the people it had pealed off their skins in a trenches found later. also those kinkaku and gingaku bro were said to eat the flesh of the kyuubi and gained the power...someone else tried same and died. apparently their bodies were compatible cos they were descendants of the so6p. lastly minato had enuff to wanna seal both his and kushina's chakra into naruto. when he sealed he said "how overwhelming...just half is making me numb" aomething like dat. he didnt complain of his chakra level. so ur point is moot. thatnk u


Kakashi said himself that he managed to copy it not learn or practice or whatever, you think you can learn rasengan by merely looking at it? That's wack meen, even Jiraiya needed tips from Minato to learn them.


but tosyn dats what u're saying. manga says he copied it so u suggested he used the sharingan to do so… which wasn't said. i'm saying that he might have seen it and practised or received some tips from minato himself. besyds he was his star pupil.

rapmike: Oh,u mean dat, i dnt knw 4 kimco,cos i believe he used d sharingan 2 copy d rasengan,wich means it surely happend afta d kannabi bridge incident.

WackyJ1: Hahaha kimco is cracking ME up oh.
1. Minato was facing the fact that this could be the end of his reign as the hokage. A very short lived reign
2. He was facing the fact that he wouldn't be around the people he calls friends and that he wouldn't be able to protect the village he holds dear anymore
3. He was facing the fact that he wouldn't live to hold his wife, again and to see his son grow up.
4. He was dealing with the fact that he was about to turn his son into a jinchuuriki at such a young age to the most vile of bijus and that he was going to responsible for putting him through a hard life even as a father. And worst of all he wasn't going to be there to help him through it.
And you say it was because of sealing just Yin part of Kyuubi's chakra into himself that made him shed a tear? Hell just number 4 alone is enough to make him shed multiple tears..

Understanding Kimco, Understanding. Should be your guide in reading this manga..

zion32: Go to fifa config and choose low quality settings,it should be fine,but if it still lags change your pc bro.

jmaine: Though i really enjoyed PES 5 on the Xbox, but We all know that is now a long History

Tosyn007: Did you know you just jumped infront of a moving train? Kimco here is arguing that Kakashi replicated/copied rasengan before he got the chidori which means he didnt copy it with sharingan..according to Kimco...

Tosyn007: develop chidori not learn chidori, meaning when he copied rasengan but couldn't add his lightning element, he had to improve on his chidori to make it stronger than the rasengan cos chidori and rasengan are on par even chidori already has elemental manipulation and rasengan doesnt.

Tosyn007: Did you know you just jumped infront of a moving train? Kimco here is arguing that Kakashi replicated/copied rasengan before he got the chidori which means he didnt copy it with sharingan..according to Kimco...