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Feraz: I meant when Izuna was at the verge of death from Tobirama's slash.... I wasn't talking about Madara.
Tosyn007, when they first faced off, they were all kids. The second time they did again, Madara and Izuna had their MS. This was the period that Tobirama used his FTG on Izuna. When he was about dying, he gave his eyes to Madara.

WackyJ1: I'll slaughter kimco later. But kimco before i do that. Better drop your theory on what you think pains animal summons are.

WackyJ1: I'll slaughter kimco later. But kimco before i do that. Better drop your theory on what you think pains animal summons are.

Feraz: Yes. That was when he was at the verge of death from Tobirama's slash....when they all faced off, Madara and Izuna both had MS then....

Joavid: you need to check your eyes dear, am no dude

Tosyn007: You're utterly reaching meeen....sorry I can't deactivate my sleep mode,,later!

WackyJ1: hahaha would i be wrong to say that you are loosing your touch kimco?

YES IT WOULD BE COS I'M STILL OWNING.


Now if the susanoo was a separate entity Like a summon then why
1. Is The susanoo be powered by the users chakra?

THINK PAIN'S ANIMAL SUMMONS

2 Most importantly didn't the susanoo develop in conjunction with Sasuke's hatred? And if you combine it with what tobirama said as the biolgical link between hatred and developing powerful chakra in an Uchiha.


THE SUSANOO IS A COMPLETE ENTITY, NOT WHAT SASUKE WAS USING AT FIRST. HATRED IMPROVES THE EYES SO THE SUSANOO IMPROVED FROM BEING SKELETAL TO HAVING A FULL BODY WITH AN ARROW. DID U SEE SASUKE WITH AN ARROW?. I WANT TO BELIEVE THEY ARE WARRIORS THAT PROTECT.

3. if the susanoo was a summon then from where is it summoned from?

AGAIN THINK PAIN'S ANIMAL SUMMONS

4. Why can't the susanoo exist outside the users body?

THEY ARE FIRST AND FOREMOST MISSION IS TO PROTECT THE USER. BUT SURE I'LL GIVE U ONE EXAMPLE. MADARA MAKING CLONES TO FACE THE KAGES.


a. Why does madara's susanoo form hand seals with it when madara is doing his own?


I'M NOT SURE BUT I SAW THAT WAS A SUSANOO BASED JUTSU THAT MADARA PERFORMED. SO WHY WOULDN'T THE SUSANOO ALSO FORM THE SEAL THAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO EXECUTE. MY QUESTION TO U HOWEVER IS WHERE HAVE U SEEN SUSANOO USE ELEMENTAL ATTACKS B4. AGAIN I MYT BE WRONG THO, BUT I DOUBT.

b. Why can't susanoo's talk?
THINK DANZOU'S ELEPHANT SUMMON OR OROCHIMARU'S SMALLER SNAKE SUMMON. OR AGAIN TRY PAIN'S ANIMAL SUMMON


5. Why isn't a summoning technique used with it? or why don't they sign contract with the susanoo kingdom first?

PAIN'S ANIMAL SUMMON

6. Has an Uchiha that uses the susanoo ever described it as it's own entity? or ever related it to a summon? infact the susanoo has mostly been described as a MS technique.

THAT'S KINDDA VAGUE...MS TECHNIQUE ISN'T EXEMPTED FROM BEING CALLED A SUMMON. THE MS IS IT'S SEAL AND CONTRACT. AGAIN THINK PAIN'S ANIMAL SUMMON.

You're making assumptions again without proof, same thing you keep telling us not to do


I DID SEE SOMEWHERE DAT IT WAS AN ETHER REALM SUMMON. I FORGOT WHERE THO. IT'S NO ASSUMPTION. I WANNA TELL U THAT SUSANOO ISN'T MADE UP OF THE USER'S CHAKRA TYPE.

Tosyn007: Perhaps, but itachi is not an ordinary Uchiha like Tobirama has faced, and Sasuke can give support in any way necessary...

Mutaino7: make una add mito uzumaki join nah atless it shud be three against three. or add tsunade, hiruzen, minato. am sure una don knw d result.

rapmike: Kinda of difficult 4 me to say. Its easy to conclude Senju,bt Madara has Hashi's Dna plus rinnes so a direct fight btw dos two wil be more close.
I would like to see how tobirama copes wit itachi and sasuke, its easy to ignore Sasuke bt u do dat 2 ur peril,tobirama's flying rajin is bad bt cn it beat Kirin of Sasuke wit speed? Dat i cnt say. Everytin wil boil down to what role itachi wil play. Mind u,i hav nt seen tobirama break 4rm a genjutsu, wil be bad 2 be in dat kind of fix.

Tosyn007: We know Hashirama will beat Madara but its gonna take a whole lotta time, time enough for Itachi and Sasuke to pair up and knock Tobirama down, Tobirama is smart but Itachi is father and Sasuke too can by cocky..


Why not add Tsunade to the mix since she's Senju?

WackyJ1: It's a combination jutsu and it is not surprising seeing that
1. Naruto has shown his prowess in transforming Bijuu chakra into many other people's nature types .

SUSANOO ISN'T A NATURE TYPE JUSTU ATALL. IT'S AN ETHER REALM ENTITY....I THINK.

2. Sasuke has also shown to be able to adjust his chakra to naruto's techniques

I'M SORRY WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN? ARE U REFERING TO THE AMATERATSU/RASENGAN COMBO, U MEAN THE RASENGAN THAT CAN COMBINE ANY OTHER CHAKRA? GIVE ME A BETTER EXAMPLE.


You really need to stop seein the Bijuu mode and Susanoo had separate techniques, they might be techniques on a class of their own but they are still composed of the users chakra.


ERRM, SUSANOO ISN'T COMPOSED OF THE USERS CHAKRAA, IT'S LIKE A SURMON. IT'S IT OWN ENTITY. SO FAR AS THE USER HAS CHAKRA TO KEEP IT GOING, IT'LL STAY. IT NEEDS CHAKRA TO STAY BUT ISN'T COMPOSED OF THE SUMMONERS CHAKRA.


You are also assuming, Where is the proof that samehada didn't quickly convert the chakra to Bee's type?


SINCE IT WASN'T SAID, U HAVE TO PROVE THAT SAMEHADA DID TRANSFORM IT. THE BURDEN OF PROOF LIES WITH U, NOT ME.


How long does it even take?


DIDN'T U JUX SAY IT TOOK YEARS TO TRANSFORM CHAKRA. WHY DEN ARE U SAYING THIS NOW, WACKY. U'RE CONTRADICTING URSELF.


besides i'd like to believe that just like Karen, samehada as a sword is meant to take chakra from all people and also give sorta like a universal donor thing unlike Bijuu chakra which is not meant to be shared randomly.


NOW U'RE BACK TRACKING. KAREN USES HER OWN CHAKRA. SAMEHADA USES OTHER'S CHAKRA. THEY AREN'T SAME.


I don't even agree that it is tusnade's ability, remmember that we have never see tsunade transmit chkra to someone directly instead all we have seen is her using The Slug as a third party medium and can you honestly say that the slug would not have the time with all it's pieces to conform it to the person's type?

THE SLUGS ARE A FASTER WAY OF MASS DISTRIBUTION, NOT THAT SHE CAN'T DO IT HERSELF.ALL THE TYMS WE'VE SEEN HER DO THAT, IT WAS MASS DISTRIBUTION. SO BY ALL MEANS REVIEW THIS POST AGAIN.

Was it Hachibi or Kyuubi? KImc do you read the manga??

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MY HEAD OOOO WACKY, IT'S NOT MY FAULT. BUT I WASN'T ARGUING WITH THAT POINT JUX WANTED TO ADD INFO THAT'S ALL.

Willyblinks: I think its time kimco accept some explanations/reasons so far mentioned while pressing for other "holes" or "incoherence" looking at things from other stand points when offered makes us "matured" (*borrowed word*).

Though I do like your person too cos without you this thread would not have moved this far and may not have been this interesting but sometimes you just over do it

Feraz: I just remembered, didn't Juugo inject his curse seal into Sasuke as requested by Orochimaru when they went to free the Kages from the Shinigami which resulted in the expulsion of the white Zetsus? That may be another of the reasons why Juugo's nature could adapt with the susanoõ.

WackyJ1: The fact that Kimco said the above makes me think whether he actually reads the manga or he just makes arguments by disproving others arguments through nice argument tactics. Kimco go and read the manga again and see what was noted about the way naruto distributed chakra to the alliance

Okay i just finished reading and Tosyn actually provided you with evidence from that manga page. and your defence was


1. I don't know how you can swallow the fact that gaara can manipulate his father's gold and say it's because they are both sand. Why wasn't gaara born with the ability to make gold like his father? Why sand? But more importantly the real reason that i believe gaara was able to manipulate gold the way that he did is the same reason he is still able to manipulate sand even after the Bijuu left him

1. I CAN SWALLOW IT COS IT'S STILL SAND. GOLD SAND OR SILVER SAND, IT'S STILL SAND, IF IT WAS ANODA THING ENTIRELY DIFF.. HE DIDN'T CONTROL HIS FATHER'S SAND, HE USED HIS OWN SAND TO CONTROL IT FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

a. He has the genetic predispostion for it Evidenced by the fact that his father can also manipulate an element (not the right term) made of small particles

b. He has done it before as in the case of sand and then also seen it being done as in the case of his father

GOOD POINTS, EVEN WITHOUT SEEING IT HE'D BE ABLE TO DO IT. COS IT'S SIMALAR VARIABLES.

2. You said that Chakra is Chakra, How can you say such things? You're equating Bijuu chakra to human chakra? Bijuu chakra is very different from regular chakra. You need to be very observant to be able to spot certain thins in the naruto world. Why did Kyuubi have to switch consciousness with naruto in order to be able to send chakra to Kakashi? If it was just chakra why didn't he just have naruto send it?

I SAID THAT IN A CONTEXT. ALL CHAKRA HAVE ONE BASIC PURPPOSE. TO KEEP THE USER ALIVE. SO FAR AS THERE'S CHAKRA, THE USER WILL LIVE, THAT WHAT I MEAN BY CHAKRA IS CHAKRA. KYUUBI HAD TO SWITCH COS HE KYUUBI CUD SHARE THE CHAKRA, NARUTO WAS JUX LEARNING, IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH CHAKRA TYPE ATALL.

You said that there was no refinement anywhere and tosin proved you wrong, i think it's high time you start acknowledging your lapses in spotting proofs in the manga especially when you're the one always asking for proof for the manga first. That was how last time you didn't know when Kyuubi shrank when it was right there in the manga. Naruto wiki is your friend KImco

I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. I DON'T RECALL VERY WELL BUT I THINK U OWE ME EXPLANATIONS FOR SOME QUESTIONS WACKY. I'LL SEARCH AND ASK U AGAIN. U'RE HERE FIGHTING SOMEONE ELSE'S BATTLE. I'LL GET TO U PERSONALLY. LOL

3. Kishi has told you that naruto had to refine chakra to meet everyone's nature type and you're still arguing?

I'M ARGUING COS I SMELL BS. OTHER INFO'S AREN'T COHERENT WITH HIS NEW INFO. HE DID THAT SO THAT NARUTO'S RATING CUD GO UP, THAT'S NOT RYT. THAT'S WHAT I'M ARGUING ABOUT.

You have been shown proof from the manga and instead of trying to reason how this could make sense you are disputing it. Well i belive there are a number of reasons why naruto had to give everyone chakra that had conformed to their own nature type
1. Because Bijuu chkra is different from normal chakra and is not shared in the same way as others. Remember that it wasn't naruto's personal chakra that he was transferring but the kyuubi's own chakra which is why had to first put it in a format that would be able to enter their bodies.

COOL, SO HE CAN REFINE CHAKRA IN A DAY, WHAT TAKES YEARS TO DO TO OVER 500 SOLDIERS TO THEIR SPECIFIC NATURE TYPE. OH MY GOD THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT THE MORE IT GETS RIDICULOUS.

2. How many times have you seen someone with Bijuu Chakra use the Chakra to perform their own justsus without being a Jinchuuriki?

HINATA, NEJI AND THEIR NANNY INCREASED THEIR ABILITIES WHEN THEY HAD IT. ALSO KAKASHI USED KAMUI WHEN THE KYUUBI(NOT NARUTO) GAVE HIM SOME CHAKRA. I'M SURE HE REFINED IT.... RIIIIIIIIGHT? *ROLLS EYES*


When naruto was using the kyuubi's own it was because he was already been a jinchuuriki for many years and the chakra had already conformed to his type as confirmed by that page that tosin gave you. MOst times all that people with Bijuu chakra without being a jinchuuriki (a selection of which only very few people fall into) could do was turn into a small version of the Bijuu with is usually the nin tails.


IF WHAT U HAVE SAID IS TRUE ABOUT KYUUBI COMFORMING TO NARUTO'S CHAKRA AFTER YEARS, HOW IS IT SO FAST AND SIMPLE TO DO THAT NOW. SERIOUSLY THE MORE I THINK ABOUT KISHI'S BS THE MORE I'M ANNOYED. HE BECAME SO SKILLED THAT HE TRANSFERED TO EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THE BATTLE FIELD, ABOUT 500 SOLDIERS, REFINING TO THEIR CHAKRA TYPE IN MATTER OF SECONDS? JESUS KISHI, WHAT MADE DAT EVEN POSSIBLE? U CAN'T JUX KEEP HAXING UR CHARACTERS TO MAKE THEM LOOK GOOD, THERE WAS NO NEED TO DO SO. HIM THINKING ABOUT THAT PLAN ITSELF WAS ENOUGH TO MAKE NARUTO LOOK GUD.

But in this case naruto wasn't supplying them chakra just for anything but for them to use with their own jutsus many of which require nature transformations and you'll have to admit that doing nature transformation on foreign bijuu chkra would have been very difficult and would have required a lot of training, the time for which they did not have.

ACTUALLY HE PROTECTED THEM WITH IT AND KEPT THEM ALIVE MOSTLY AND TO TRANSPORT THEM USING SHINSHIN.

My Key points being that
1. Bijuu chakra is different from human chakra

NO DOUBT.


2. According to the Kyuubi bijuu chakra cannot just be transmitted to humans for use without a link between the Bijuu chakra and Human Chakra with in this case is naruto and the reason for that is that he has been a Jinchuuriki for many years.


YES!

3. Using nature transformation requires you to be able to transform your chakra into your basic element for use in jutsu, since the allied shinobi forces were going to use the required chakra for their won personal jutsus it would make it extremely difficult for them to start figuring out how to transform bijuu chakra into their own separate natures something that takes years to learn for even their normal Chakra talkless of a Bijuu's own

SO LET'S ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, NARUTO JUX ACQUIRED KYUUBI MODE, RECENTLY, BUT HAS BECOME SO SKILLED AT TRANSFORMING CHAKRA TO NATURE TYPE WHICH ACCORDING TO U TAKES YEARS TO MASTER, HE DID IT IN A DAY AND FOR OVER 500 SOLDIERS AND U'RE COOL WITH THIS NONSENSE?

Tosyn007: Its a combo jutsu, nothing more nothing less, they're both natural pairs

WHAT MAKES THEM NATURAL PAIR TOSYN?

The chakra Samehada took is the same he's giving back and besides its the only time we've seen it give chakra and he's returning them to the same person he took them from within a short time..

LISTEN, IF HE CHANGED THE CHAKRA TO KISAME'S WATER TYPE WHEN HE TOOK IT, THEN GIVING IT BACK TO BEE WOULDN'T BE THAT THE SAME CHAKRA ANYMORE. WOULD IT?

Tsunade was sharing her chakra to heal the wounded not give them chakra, its not the same thing.

CHAKRA HAS THE ABILITY TO HEAL WOUND. EG UZIMAKI GAL HEALING SASUKE, KISAME COMPLETELY REPLACING TORN FLESH, NARUTO HEALING WITH KYUUBI CHAKRA(DEBATABLE). SHE KNOW THAT SO FAR AS THEY HAVEN'T RUN OUT OF CHAKRA THEY CAN STILL STAND, THAT'S WHY SHE SHARES HER CHAKRA.

I need references for the Hachibi part...
SORRY, CONFUSED IT WITH ANODA PANEL. WOW THSES DAYS I'M REALLY MESSING UP. BUT NO WORRIES. IT WASN'T AN ARGUMENT INFO. JUX ADDITIONAL INFO THAT'S ALL.

You see am also thinking the same thing you're thinking, I only don't like it to be combo cos I don't like Sasuke not cos of any other thing..

THEN I'M NOT ENTIRELY WITH U. SASUKE HAS PROVIDED BETTER FIGHT SCENES FOR ME AND FOR THAT I APPRECIATE HIM, NOT HIS FAN THO. BUT THIS COMBO I REFUSE.

Tosyn007: Senju loses

Mutaino7: dude i was like u b4...u know i argue alot with friends and anybody who i find reasonable to chat with. one thing i av come to learn is that only few people will acknowledge u being right or logical but others will tell u upfront that u're antagonistic in nature which sometyms is nothing short of the truth no matter how u spin ur words or rephrase them. check all u comment to date it has been all about plot-hole-no-jutsu or kishi don bring anoda azzpull. what u fail to notice is that all this are to make the fans exhaust their ability to guess while the writer troll the fans with anoda cliff hangers. take 4 xample some people made a theory about the so6p being an uzumaki which was reasonable taken to fact the sealing prowess of the clan but eventually they all got trolled. a finished worked will surely be critiqued but an unfinished work should be given d honour of being complete. i av come across diff fans of naruto and bliv me those that are like u find it hard to leave naruto alone upon all their moral degrading comments and lack of indepth analysis. take ur time and understand what tosyn07 is saying. peace.

Tosyn007: You missed my point dude, I gave those instances as proof that you don't need training to for every combo or power up, I'm not putting any combo side by side with any other, don't misinterpret me..

Now to your questions, Samehada: the sword must have drained every chakra element and must have them in store cos you can't say Kisame uses everything to fight, so it just needs to recognize the chakra nature of it client and give him/her what he/she needs

Karin: her case is simple, its her ability, which is why Orochimaru wanted someone like her with him, she's also a medic nin

This tailed beast also have unique abilities, and Kyuubi's is its ability to transfer chakra.

List those you refer to as 'others able to drain chakra' and I'm sure each of them has his/her reason

Mutaino7: WHICH IS D BEST FIGHTING
SCENE
1. Garra vs lee
2. naruto vs pein
3. minato vs obito
4. naruto vs orochimaru
5. hiruzen vs edo hokages
6. jiraiya vs pein
7. sasori vs chiyo, sakura
8. lee vs kimimaro
9. itachi vs sasuke
10. k.bee vs team hebi
11. kakashi vs zabuza
12. naruto vs neji
13. naruto vs garra
14. guy vs kisame
15. killer.b vs kisame
16. asuma vs hidan
17. tsunade vs orochi
18. naruto vs kabuto
19. garra vs his father
20. sasuke vs danzo

Tosyn007: We aint talking about kinds of combo jutsus, we are talking about what combo jutsu is and what its not, remember you were saying this was a "convenient power-up" till I was able to convince you, now you've re-termed it "seamless combo.

Well follow this link and I hope you get to understand me after checking it out...http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/617/5

Mutaino7: u go fear unreasonable counter-argument bro. just dont waste ur time xplaining again those that get ur message knows its intent.

Tosyn007: I wasn't refeering to their chakra combination, I was talking about their combination to teleport the whole alliance outta that barrier, Shushin and sage mode rasengan is a jutsu combo dude, same as what is happening now.

The chakra Naruto passed to all of the shinobis was refined to fit their chakra nature remember? How difficult will it be to have it refined to fit Sasuke's susano'o?

Deschil: they DIDN'T have something. Eminem is just "obsessed" with her! & she sang "obsessed" to tell her own side of his story.

labaks: Of course she should have, but she chose not to. She's trying to tell someone that she doesn't care what he sings/raps about her. She's loving her life and enjoying her marriage, and that for all she cares, he could go hang himself. U know who that person is?






.....EMINEM

Joavid: what do u mean?
If she had bleached her skin,people like you will still talk...
She has been dark skin from scratch and she still maintains it and people like you is still talking

smh...human beings can never be pleased.

She has a beautiful body you can only dream of so keep hating.