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WackyJ1: You see. All the things you've requested for in this post i have previously provided but you totally missed them or dismissed them as irrelevant.
That's where i wonder whether you actually try to reason them at all.
1. I AM assuming that there CAN be additional facts, not that there is or There isn't.
a. YOU feel that since they've not been made known then they must not exist.

exactly, hence my question. Ur attempts to answer this question instead of not atall, is ur undoing. U have nothing to help u answer this question aside plenty assumption

b. You even said that Kishi had a chance to explain them but then didn't therefore further proving you right that they don't exist.
c. I then said that YOU cannot decide when certain things would be explained and because they are not explained at the time that you want them to doesn't mean that all there is to them are the only things to be seen. That has been proven to be true several times.

then why are u trying to answer the question atall, if this is what u believe?

D. I even gave you a subtle example which you declared was irrelevant to the point. I said that when the third used the technique, after watchin the first the technique would have been classified as a short range technique but when minato used it, it was proven to be An ANY RANGE jutsu...

like i said, u're putting a square peg in a round hole. No body had questioned the usability range of the jutsu. All we know is that it seals. If it did anything else other than that, then u'll have a point.

You can't seem to relate to my posts. Stop decrying certain things to be irrelevant when you've totally missed what i'm trying to relate it to. That's where you're similar to ihedinobi except that he can see where i'm trying to relate it more than you can

some of my replies are in bolds, in ur op.


U haven't provided jack. i asked for facts and u're giving assumptions to what u think shud happen or might be.

I get where u decided to make ur point and their implications. However they serve same purposes.... To aid in ur assumption. that's not what i want.

I'm extremely surpise that i'm getting the shaft from u when u're the one mostly assuming.

When u have provided manga facts to back up why minato is in kyuubi mode, then u can shout all u want and accuse me of misunderstanding u. Till then.... Ur assumptions are irrelevant b4 the facts.

Mutaino7: I dhey tire 4 diz kimco sef. Bro pls watch more anime it xplains tinz more verbally nd graphically. I no get mb to waste 4 counter argument.

So since u have been enlightened, verbally and graphically. Why don't u shed some light on the issue?

On the interview....

Tl;dl (too long; didn't read)

WackyJ1: I used a salient point mentioned in the series that the Kyuubi shrunk when Chakra was taken from him. kimco didn't notice that and hence countered based on what he thought he knew

Okay he was later enlightened and this was his reply


I want you to come and explain this..

what was it about even....oh yeah....the whole fact that kyuubi are jux chakra.

Yeah so i looked through and i found that he shrunk. i didn't want to contnue cos of ihedinobi and paranoma. But let me deal with u today.

U claimed he regained his size back.....please show me where he regained that size....this part i'm very sure, cos i've looked everywhere. So pls wacky, help me see what u see.

Ur answer will determine whether i move on to destroy u or not. Lol.
#terminatormodeactivated

Tosyn007: He obviously left it for dudes like us to figure it out, I mean where's the joy without the suspense?

This ain't suspense dude. Suspense is waiting for sasuke to fight naruto or the chuunin exams. This is a hole (don't wanna say the usal, so hole will do)

Tosyn007: Minato and Sarutobi didn't know of the seal being breakable, what does that explain, it shows that there COULD be other rules pertaining to this jutsu and these 3 shinobis used the rules in relation to their different situations...

Minato...seal FOREVER and usable for a non jinchuriki

Sarutobi....eternal BATTLE

Orochimaru...BREAKABLE but with human sacrifice

There might be more...

orochimaru's findings aren't even the same ball park as the rule pertaining to the sealing. His is to find a weakness to the jutsu, ur claim is to find different rules that involve different types of sealing. Totally different. So pls don't try to put a square peg in a round hole.

Tosyn007: Epic Epistle!!!

Oh tosyn did have to quote all that

Djtm: I'll love to go with tosyn on this. But this kimco guy is talented, I'm feeling you!

Thank u

WackyJ1: Kimco i don't know how else to put it to you. You're so narrow minded. I wonder where you would have stood on the Sage: Uzumaki or not debate.
I even wonder whether you can make any predictions on what will happen in the manga based on what you see now.

1. When i mentioned what Orochimaru revealed i was saying it from Our point of view not of those of minato and Hiruzen. Assuming that we were arguing this before that manga was released wouldn't you have taken that your eternity more seriously by saying it can never be broken? Just like minato and Hiruzen did? My point is that there are things that are but we don't know because they haven't been proved yet. If you keep taking your stand you can never explain anything and all you'll be seeing is plot holes
2. you're relaYing facts while claiming That THEY ARE ALL THE FACTS. you're not the author so you cannot say that THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL FACTS.
3. My other facts were Said so that you would know that facts are added subtly. Everything is not verbal. It is these silent clues that are put that i use to draw many of my assumptions.
Take for example you didn't know that the nine tails shrank yet you already used that lack of observation to counter my points until others show you.

Okay to use your own words against you. Tell me where it was said in the manga that clones are parts of the soul. You've implied there too that cloning splits the soul

*Calls me a narrow minded person, hasn't said anything substantial atall regarding the topic*.

I'm not in the habit of predicting what will happen. I prefer to be surprised.


I pick my arguments well. I must agree i do reach in some of them and i acknowledge them. ironically that chapter orochimaru broke the seal, was one of the best chapters i've read in a while. The execution, explanation, everything was on point. I welcomed it. Don't assume that i would be arguing on that atall.

you say i shudn't assume that there are no additional facts yet u have failed to provide them. If there are additional facts then by the power of kishi, why don't u point them out for me. plus u're also assuming there shud be additional facts. U're equally guilty.


So now wacky, why don't u actually try explaining the main question. Why does minato have a kyuubi mode?

What are these subtle things that actually relate to different rules regarding different types of sealer/sealee situations, since that what u actually want to say? Don't jux say ''they are there''....... point them out and stop beating about the bush.

The answer i gave was just an oppinion not facts. For such a question, all we can do is propound theories and hope someone's make sense. I tried to answer it. It's ur choice to agree with me or offer a better explanation. U're also free to reject it. I'm not forcing u atall.

WackyJ1: Gbam Kimco you hear?

Now also consider this, i think you mentioned in a post up there that there is no other rule because if there was minato would have explained it. That is a very erroneous stand to take from all we've seen in the naruto world. why? because we've seen the death God seal twice yet not until Orochimaru came along did we see that the seal could actually be undone and that the ETERNITY battle has a clause!
The sealer and the sealee fight for eternity .......... Except and until the seal is broken externally
And i believe the reply tosyn gave you was An apt reply for taking such an erroneous stand after all you've seen in the naruto world and from what oro showed us

Now for my own
When Sarutobie used the jutsu we got some tips from it
1. It can be used with shadow clone jutsu to seal more than one soul (Side question- Do clones have souls if not why does the jutsu allow clones?)
2. It is a short range jutsu
3. What is sealed depends on Chakra

But from minato's fight we saw one new thing
4. Depending on the prowess of the user, the jutsu can also be used mid range and long range

So what's your own with rule rule rule.

wacky what are u talking about. That part of the jutsu that oro made clear was obviously lost to both minato and hiruzen. Evident by their surprise when they were ressurected plus hiruzen exclaiming that his sacrifice was for naught. If they knew about it, it wouldn't have surprised them.....atleast not as much....seeing as it is orochimaru, king genius.

I already said that....given they were still in the belly of the shinigami. This stands made me understand tosyn's forever claim by minato(jux by the way).

His reply isn't apt cos i'm jux relaying facts stated by the author. And yet all u and him are doing is assuminng....as always.

I wanna hear this erroneous stands that i find myself in, as u claim. But Until u can bring concrete facts from the manga, i'll assume that i'm right and u're erroneous. Prove me wrong with the manga.


As for ur other points i'm trying so hard to find what the relevance is. If anything it proves my point that infos are relayed by kishi if there is a need to do so, be them pronounced or subtle, if not, we get to see a repeat of the same thing.
So tell me, to what end were these point made out wacky?
to answer ur question....clones form a part of one soul. It's like having four eyes so that u can look left and right at the same damn tym. It's helps one to multitask at the expense of losing chakra quickly if not properly used.

Tosyn007: The rule Kimco is referring to is the one explained by Sarutobi and I'm trying make Kim realize that rule was used in a different situation cos Sarutobi was dealing with humans while Minato was dealing with a tailed beast..

Then where is kishi's explanation of that rule then. He had the chance to explain it, but he didn't. So the rule stands. Simples

WackyJ1: Kimco what is the bone of contention about with the death God sealing Jutsu?

The fact that there's is a rule.

The sealer and the sealee will fight in a batle that will last for an eternity

The sealer...minato and the sealee, kyuubi shud be in a battle last an eternity, given that they were in the belly of the shinigami.

Minato has kyuubi mode

I don't know why he has kyuubi mode, hence my question.

Tosyn is trying to explain this by assuming there maybe another rule pertaining to shiki fuujin which myt involve humans and non humans (minato vs kyuubi)

I'm saying if there was any rule, kishi would explain it to us through minato, through a thought bubble since, according to tosyn, and i agree,he has no audience. But since he didn't, we can assume that the old rule still stands.

that's it wacky.

Tosyn007: Doesn't make'em human no matter how you choose to glorify them..

No matter how kishi chooses to glorify them u mean? If u won't listen to kishi then what are u even doing. It's like watching a movie that says albino's aren't blood sacrifices like africans portray them but instead are humans like us and the auidence going ''oh noes....they are blood sacrifices however u want to glorify them''. That's what u're doing ryt now.

Tosyn007: That aint reason enough either cos unlike Sarutobi who had an audience(Orochimaru) to explain things to, Minato had no one cos Kushina prolly knew more about the jutsu than himself, that's why he didn't need to explain the jutsu which makes your idea of Kishi not needing to explain so as to avoid repetition rather shaky...

Which makes my view of the jutsu having more than rule stand..

Are u kidding me tosyn? If my point isn't gud enuff then i dnt know what to say aba urs atall. Come back with a better reply. I've come to expect better than this.

kishi cud've used thought bubbles if he really wanted to give more info...since the situation is in dire need of some explanations on why minato has a kyuubi mode

Mutaino7: @kimco whether the justu was shown to be done by d 3rd first doesnt remove the validity that the fourth died using the seal b4 the 3rd use it. And put into remembrance that when the 3rd was using it he told orochi dat he's going to use a seal he knows nothing about which was created by the 4th. i dont knw if dat line was written in the manga but it was definitely written in the anime. and on the issue of the tailed beast being chakra or not. my take is that they are chakra take the conversation of obito nd kisame to team hebi where sasuke was told to hunt hachibi. out of ignorance sasuke asked what tailed beast are obito said the are enormous chakra in the form of creatures.

first part- I think u have missed the whole point dude.

Second part- like i said, that's what people like obito, madara and even the whole ninja world sees them. However, naruto, bee and the sage of the six paths say they're more than that. the have brains, that's why sharingan works on them. They have meat on them, that's why the twin brothers from the water nation were able to eat off it. They feel pain, that's why when naruto hit it, it shriek in pain and also hachibi was bleeding after recieving beatings. All this points to what kishi is trying to tell us...that they are less of jux chakra and more of humans.

Tosyn007: That aint good enough cos the first to use the jutsu and teach it to Sarutobi didn't talk say anything about that rule, so it can be deduced that he didn't cos it doesn't pertain to the situation at hand...

Emmm....i beg to differ. Sarutobi was the first we saw use the technique, minato using the technique came years later. kishi didn't let minato do any talking cos sarutobi already did it. Why explain something thats already explained, unless there a new rule u want to add. Eg new level of edo tensei for kabuto and then later, orochimaru's. if minato said nothing then, it means kishi is still sticking to the old rules he gave us. Plus even tho minato's fight was recent. It was actually older than sarutobi's. It would be improper for him to release new info when the student he taught (a previous hokage, mind u, a prof) didn't even know about it.

Okay guys i was jux chilling in my crib when this came into my head. kishi, through his rich cultural history creation in naruto (the ninja world, the war, bla bla) has made for himself an opportunity to write a whole new manga solely aba the beggining of the ninja world in naruto. It'll begin with the sage's mother....and prolly end at naruto's birth. What do u guys think. So much material there to deliver.

Djtm: Leaving a lot of things unexplained is kinda making the story longer. You create some random stuffs then come back to explain it, while explaining it you drop another mystery. Kishi is smart

No doubt, man's gotta eat too. but those are for major things, like the story of the forbidden tree with an unanswered question, i'm not arguing dat one cos i want him to do so cos i believe somehow he would. Believe me dude i know he ain't gonna answer why sasuke got two summons and why minato got kyuubi mode.

Tosyn007: Dude...how would you know he shrunk in size in a manga that's black and white? Even after Naruto took his chakra and attained ckakra mode, Kyuubi emaciated..

I had confirmation from the other forum i was in. They cud be wrong tho. But how would i know, the majority carries the vote on this one.

I jux read the last line....he did, didn't he? Hmmmmm. Thank u very much. A point to nail wacky with.

Tosyn007: All I'm tryna pass across is that you are placing the argument on just one rule, whereas there could be more that pertains to it and on another circumstance that, Iand I think its cos that particular rule and circumstance suits youyr argument..

But that one rule is what we've got. We can make up theories on what it COULD mean, but still wont beat what IS.

And yes, it suits my argument, why do u think i began the argument in the first place. I knew it would suit me. Hence my cry for kishi's explanation to this hole that i don't understand.

Tosyn007: Minato said forever and you assume he's wrong cos Orochimaru broke it...not you've been carrying Sarutobi's word of 'eternity' about and you aint assuming he too doesn't know what he's saying...that aint objective..

Damn man, u most def used my words against me in a very clever way. I can try to spin this buh it wont be same. Btw now i get ur forever statement. making similar argument can teach u a thing or two.

Okay in my defence...i wasn't really hang up on the forever statement cos it didn't bother me that much.

however the point still stands. Let's works with it until proven otherwise.

I gave u a like for a outwitting me at my own game.

Double post

Tosyn007: Obito's words..."Oh a NEW SUMMON"...that I think means a shinobi can make more than animal contract..

Kishi shud explain then, i've not known kishi to leave such simple things unexplained. Remember when the amount of elementals was explained as 3 max, then we saw kakuzu use all five and even kakashi was surpriced but it all got explained? That's the kishi i know. If there was an exception i'd like for him to explain.

Tosyn007: Please where's the joy in a thread that grows one page in one week? I thought these thread was created to straighten things out which include ARGUMENTS....

Hey man, don't judge. Those were fun tyms for them.

These arguments are boring for them. Let's respect their taste.

Now i know where ihedinobi got that ''wait for kishi'' attitude from.

tnature: Door to door evangelism works better in the third world countries. This situation is so pathetic . This will never happen in Africa cos people don't have easy access to guns.

Machete is still usable. Isakaba tins

GRIMM JOE: people dey bcom Hokage raikage president and u won. Become moderator wow

Hey If naruto can be hokage, he can be a moderator some day. What does it even take to be one? Plus i think it's less of a hustle. Do u see urself in gudluck jonathan's boots. That is hell on hell

Ihedinobi: Ahn ahn, sorry na!

Apology not accepted. Hm.

(Pls this a joke ooo, nt to be taken serious)

topcy90: Me too. I only post on this thread wen I see an interesting topic which is rare, there are so mush childish argument dat makes me laugh some times, it's high time someone shld do something diff.

Don't jux say it, Bring up a topic then. I too secretly yearn for something different to discuss. Most def not the new chapters since kishi has decided to feed us emotions.

panaroma: er, actually you called yourself a drama queen(which i actually tot was weird), i only towed along, and i didnt call myself ceasar , you did,

yeah i called u caesar for a reason. Can u guess why?

Also, i don't remember telling anyone to call me a drama queen, i related it to the event that had occured. Eg. If i say, ''i know i'm being a fool ryt now...'' that's dat mean to call me a fool? Don't be too smart.

Infact enuff with this childish behaviour. Let's move on.

viruz007: passing by... When una reduce the too much baseless arguments, (no offence) i will come back... I dnt even follow the numerous comments. tis exhausting...

Come back and we'll stop. u can jux be in the shadows and hope that we bring out topics worth ur taste, u need to make that happen. C'mon naa, help bring something fresh to the table. I agree it a55pull argument is getting exhausting but if u dnt come, well.....then don't complain.

panaroma: drama queen hasnt accepted my apology yet

But caesar, i did accept ur mercy on me, i even passed on u calling me a drama queen. Isn't that enuff for u oh almighty caesar?

Anyhoo...on todays chapter. Kishi enuff of these things...three weeks of emotions is too much, i want some action....so i can punch holes in them lol. I kid. Seriously kishi it's a bit too much. Theses things are meant for the anime, manga is straight action.