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senatrpaichulo:
check Messi stats, is it just goals? What about assist, passes, tackles won, and everyother thing. People often say, unless Messi win Copa America which they thought was impossible. The internet shook when he won it against Brazil. Besides Ballon D'or is by vote, who has more influence in the football world between Lewa and Messi?

Did u just say tackles won?? I dont argue with jokers...bye

barcaboi:
Stop wailing; Messi got the final of the World Cup and yet because CR7 scored a hattrick against Sweden to qualify he got the award. A criteria used for modrics win. Or let’s remember griezmann who won Europa and the WC same year but lost to modric. Y’all start ur own agitation as it fits. 2011 Messi won the UCL btw

Is getting to the final sane as winning a trophy...has anyone ever won the balon dor by just reaching the final of the world cup sort from another ojoro when they gave modric... Ronaldo won the champions league, scored 17 champions league goals ( a record) won league Cup and qualified his country for the world cup... so u tot they wud give Messi that dint win anything on 2014

candygist:
Did you just say Messi will score 20 goals in a season ? Bros you are a joke on ur self….. seems u started watching football yesterday….. even when Messi is in the worst form of his life…. He will score more than 30 goals a season.

E b like say u no de follow football....u see y they say messi fans are zombies... we are already in December and he has only one league goal...most u messi people are just outrightly dumb

Siwel25:
Was Suarez the highest goalscorer, highest 'assister,' and Player of the tournament? Messi not only won the Copa, he dominated all awards of that tournament. He won 4 Man of the match awards out of 7 matches played.. He deserves it 100%!

Won man of the match against out of form Uruguay that will most likely miss the world cup so as Chile, then Ecuador and Bolivia... then it got to Colombia and Brazil, and he ghosted all thru... nonsense

senatrpaichulo:
it's not just about scoring, Messi once scored most and still lost to cristiano. Messi dribbles, passes , shot on target and so many stats. Lewandoski is just goals, this is not what should make one win . Nawaooo

He lost to Ronaldo cos Ronaldo won champions league.... every single time Ronaldo won it, it was cos he won champions league... messi won 4 without champions league... just cos he scored goals

123readygo:
He'll still still it again after he must have won the world cup next year

Deluded fans...who dash am world cup....u think say na copa.... copa and afcon na the same thing

OJEEMAH:
Those that claim Lewandoski should have won, should logically explain how Messi with the best individual stats ended 5th in 2018.

For those that said, Sanchez should have won Balon D'or for winning Copa America in 2016.....please read and stop misleading others.

In 2016, Sanchez had a good stats. Was his individual performance Balon D'or worthy despite his 48goals and assists combined? No, because others had better stats. In 2016, winning Copa America was not enough to get Sanchez nominated because his individual performance was dwarfed by other players compare to Messi whose individual stats can only be matched by Lewandoski in 2021.

In 2016, Sanchez was not EPL top Scorer nor Best Player but in 2021, Messi topped goal chart in Spain.

In 2016, Sanchez was Copa America Best Player while in 2021, Messi was not just the Best Player in Copa America but also topped goal chart.

Look at the screenshot carefully, In 2016, Messi had 51 goals plus 29 assists which means he was involved in 80 goals and assists.

while Ronaldo had 44goals and 16 assists which means he was involved in 60 goals and assists.

Messi had a better individual stats in 2016 but Ronaldo backed his with UCL & Euros.

Now compare Sanchez's stats with those that were nominated let's see if he would even stand a chance.

Personally, I feel bad for Lewandoski cos he should have won 2020 without a fight but unfortunately, he can't win 2021 out of pity. It wasn't Messi fault that the organizers cancelled it.

He won the champions league and the Euros, finished 2nd in the league was top scorer with 15 goals in the champions league, scored the opener in the semis of the Euros and assisted with the 2nd goal... overturned a 2 goal deficit in the first leg of the champions league quater final and scored a hattrick on the 3.0 2nd leg win... scored the winning penalty on the final against Atletico... now compare that with this nonsense they did this year... champions league is not by goals alone, but how important the player was in winning major trophies...copa no b major trophy...its in the same category with afcon... Euros is In the same category with world cup .... how many South American players made the list?? Suarez messi neymar the rest Europeans

femi4:
He won COPA breaking all available records.

Suarez didn't do that in 2019

What record did he break in copa ?? Players have scored more goals in the copa...in 99 Rivaldo won it , was top scorer and best player, so how is it breaking of record??

FlipModeSquade:
What is logical about using 2020 performance?

To award a 2021 trophy..

MR Logic..

Lewandowski has been the best for the past 2 seasons.... balon dor has lost its credibility

paulolee:
the same cr7 that I watched said he deserves to win more ballon d or like say na him father get d award..
make e rest abeg...him turn don pass
ur man no fit win ballon again till e hang boot n e don drop quote
he is simply a pained loser bro....Wetin pain me pass be say e no even
stand any chance of winning or being in dt top 3..
he can jus easily debunk ferre claim than all this e long shalaye
na dt e sister i de wait to drop quote too...

But he deserves to have won the most balon dor ... messi has added Lewandowski to names he has stolen their awards... at least the only one that is contentious for Ronaldo is 2013 and 2018 is meant to replace it...meaning Ronaldo deserves his 5.... messi stole 2010, 2012 , 2019, and now 2021 ... balon dor thief

Sicilyjoe:
What if he wins the world cup , and win the 8th world best I hope no problem with that ?

He wunt even cross round of 16...u think say that that puppy cup

Soso990240:
una no de tire for all these una baseless argument? Check Messi statistics last season, no Player have ever had such crazy stat. Copa highest goal scorer, highest assist, highest freekick goals, tournament best player, and many more... Just one person. Tell me a player that have had such stat in a tournament. Una too de argue blindly. If na by Goal, why did Modric win ahead of Lewandowski, Messi , and Ronaldo?

Since when did freekicks and assists become requirement for balon dor?? Even Ronaldo scored more goals thay messi this year

senatrpaichulo:
if it's because of goals, he got an award for the striker of the year na. Where is the injustice? We are talking about best graduating student in the school, you talking about best in the department.

Why dint they give messi striker of the year in 2010, 2012, 2019....na now morning reach

U should know messi fans and being intelligent or logical are not best of friends

They said its because of copa... so y dint suarez win it in 2011 , he won copa abd also had a brilliant season with Liverpool....it went to Messi, 2015 sanchez won it , also had a decent season with arsenal, he wasn't even nominated, Messi won it... lets bet it , if psg is knocked out in the round of 16 , and messi ends the season with 20 goals , and gets to the semi final of the world cup .... they will give it to him again .... this time , they will say he had a brilliant season despite joining a new team for the first time in his career , he won the league , French Cup and scored 20 goals in a season and also got to the semi of world cup .... then the winners of world cup will come second .... joke of an award

This is how life treats u when u are a simp

Houseofglam7:
You’ve been noticed.
Now why don’t you scurry on outta here?

Noticed?? By who ?? U?? ...this one think say person send am

Houseofglam7:
This one has dedicated her life to incredible stupidity

Very soon u will join her

At least she admit am...if u get burnt dating her , na u do urself

The best award will correct this...this was the nonsense balon dor was doing over the years in the 60s , 70s and 80s until fifa took over in the 90s and made it fair... till that criminal blatter United them abd they started their wayo again ...

Candidlady:
yes iam! Can you help me become international?

Lol

Candidlady:
no sense in your comment mr international

U must me one of those local people I just talked about

ImaIma1:
Bath outside? I didn't know we were supposed to be bathed outside as kids. Was the bathroom abominable for children?

Shows u the number of local people here on NL... the forum thst has given these people the possibility to converse with the privilege

11doubledee:
Ironically these Media houses and other journalist all around the world have about 90 percent of the votes.
So what exactly are they saying.
The outcome of their votes made Messi the winner.

Pundits don't vote...journalists do

NORSIYK:
This is the most ridiculous reason I have ever come across all my life.

I guess Messi had been winning world cup and Copa joke America for those he won

Leave the mumu... thats the hypocrisy we complain about... ask them y messi won 2019, despite being awful in copa 2019 .... also ask the mumu y copa suddenly became a criteria for balon dor .... if Messi won in 2019, y dint Ronaldo win in 2018... at least whenever Ronaldo wins it, no one argues ... messi fans said Jorginho dint deserve it despite winning Euros and champions league...but on the other hand say ribery deserved it in 2013 for winning treble , but also said Sneijder dint deserve it in 2010 for winning treble.... always shifting goal post to favour the fraud

Asour:
You are overreaching.

For one, Messi is not a striker.
Also in 2019, Barca won everything but UCL.
They lost only one game in UCL - Liverpool away.
Even Liverpool lost more than one game.

Also in 2019, Messi was the top assist & Golden boot in Europe despite not being a striker.
That huge if it was anyone else.

Lewandowski is a great player (if he was voted for he'd have won) but what he achieved in 2021 is the equivalent of what Messi achieved in 2018 but got a laughable 5th. Some said because it (2018) was an international year (World cup).

Well 2021 was also an international year.
While he is not to be blamed, Poland did poorly.

Be sincere to yourself, If Messi did not qualify Argentina to World cup in 2021 and crashed out of COPA in group stage (like Lewandowski)would you be this defensive of Messi — even if he was the top goal scorer & won Laliga & Copa del Rey?

Therein lies your answer.

Messi is a forward ... u guys should stop making it like he plays 10 cos he wears 10...

Mosopzy23:
I'm tired of the backforth jare. You are free to make your own criteria for choosing greatest. All I know is anytime the Goat debate is being brought up, the player with the most Ballondor will always pop up first.

It never popped when when discussing maradona and pele

FlipModeSquade:
The stats says otherwise..

But..

Una can continue wailing..

Stop showing us all those stat padded trash.... balon dor was never like that... so if I pick those trashy stats from easy mediocre teams , just like he got 3 assists from the bottom team of the table ... as long as he dint perform in big games ...that balon dor is fake

Mosopzy23:
I can see you are a fantatic Cr7 supporter. Buh u need to put sentiments apart when analysing the duo. Even as I as Messi fan wasn't really enthusiastic about Messi winning his 7th Ballondor.
1st, it's going to cause the Goat debate to lose its flavour as Messi is clearly in d lead , 2nd Messi might not be committed as before again having won all.
To address your claim where u said Messi doesn't deserve copa's MVP and Argentina would have won without him. Well I'm not going to engage you on that, cos you're being sentimental, if not you wouldn't think of any other player that deserves it more than Messi. .
Now on club achievement, Ronaldo and Messi were really abysmal in d last campaign, but was gave Messi edge over Ronaldo was his Copa America win, and that Copa was also enough for him to win the Ballondor.
Had Messi not won, he would at best only make the top 5.

And since when did copa become a definite factor for copa?? If so , then mahrez has a case for 2019 cos he won the league and afcon .... and he was very instrumental in city winning both, guess what?? He dint even make top 10 ... Alison won copa in 2019 and champions league, lost the league by 1 point, te highest point Liverpool have ever have in Premier league history with over 90 points .... he wasn't even nominated...

Talking about the goat stuff, even if he wins it 10 times , that will still not determine cos if so , then we can say modric is better than iniesta and xavi... as long as Ronaldo has 5 champions league titles with different clubs, more goals and the Euros thst certainly dwarfs the copa , he will remain the better of the 2... Pele and maradona never won 1 but they are remembered as the greatest... even cruyff and platini that both won 3 , are not celebrated as maradona and Pele, thats cos people will always remember records and titles ahead of awards ....

Brazil Colombia, atletico real madrid juventus psg , these are major games messi faced last season and flopped in those games..scored only 3 times , 2 were penalties... he personally dint play anything on those games, those were the major games he played, yet they gave him balon dor...sham of an award

Messi , the balon dor robber .... as I said its good they gave it to him , so we can finally see what a trash award this is ... sneildjer, Ronaldo, VVD and now Lewandowski has joined the list of players robbed by messi

Mosopzy23:
Just saw the part where you mentioned that Messi failed to score in the semi fiinal and final. Ok, so you're implying that his his brilliant run in the Copa should be overlooked cos he didn't get any goal in the finals, honestly,that's ridiculous. He's not the only one in the team and besides semi final and final doesn't make a whole tournament, so y ignore the other parts.

Messi dint even deserve the best player of that tournament ...his goals and assists came against Bolivia and Ecuador....he was anonymous in the semis and final when they played bigger teams... lets be fair here... Argentina wud have still won the copa without him...without Messi they wud hv still beaten Bolivia Uruguay ( they have really lost form) and Ecuador... Colombia and Brazil, he did nothing...they keep on saying he dragged dead barca , dint Ronaldo drag dead juve ?? What did messi do last season that Ronaldo dint do... the Euros is a step less than the World cup ...messi won it the last time despite performing poorly in the copa ... they used his club performance, so y not do the same for Lewandowski....besides, balon dor is for 2021abd he has been poor since beginning of the season....