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seppuku:
And yet the second article states Ramaphosa's support by the Eastern province for an assurance of return to power to the Xhosa's after his lame duck presidency.

You guys have zero tribalism in South Africa. I believe you neh!

You can have harmless bias in favor of your tribe; this happens everywhere; however, rampant tribalism in South Africa? Forget it, that's your forte. And that's where your energies need to go

You said Zulu people "hated" Xhosa btw, is the "xhosanostra" your reason? LOl..

seppuku:
You can try to cover up your people Mfethu but the information is out there.

https://hsf.org.za/publications/focus/issue-8-third-quarter-1997/the-truth-about-the-xhosa-nostra

https://scrolla.africa/who-will-wield-power-in-the-new-anc-the-xhosa-nostra-or-the-alex-mafia/

Lemme break it down simple for you.. because it's not the earth-shattering conspiracy you think it is.. Under Mbeki's rule, there were growing concerns that Xhosa people were being preferred in key positions of government. So the media coined the term "xhosanostra"... there was no opposition from Zulu people or anything like that..

seppuku:
There wouldn't be a Nelson, Tambo, Sisulu et al, if there were no ANC. The same ANC that was founded by Zulu intellectuals such as Pixley ka Seme, Josiah Gumede, and John L. Dube

You can try to cover up your people Mfethu but the information is out there.

https://hsf.org.za/publications/focus/issue-8-third-quarter-1997/the-truth-about-the-xhosa-nostra

https://scrolla.africa/who-will-wield-power-in-the-new-anc-the-xhosa-nostra-or-the-alex-mafia/

Lol, do you even understand what the Xhosa Nostra is, bro?

seppuku:
Go and ask your Historians then come back and call me a Liar.

thought as much

seppuku:
It's the other way round the Zulu's know that the Xhosa's are intellectually superior to them and great founders of modern South Africa.

Nelson, Walter, Tambo, Biko.

Why do you like presenting yourself as this expert on South African issues? especially when you know so little?

There's no animosity between the Xhosa and the Zulu people, i don't even recall being there a "Xhosa must go" stance in Zulu-dominated areas, and to even insinuate Zulu people "hate" Xhosa people, because Zulu people view them to be "intellectually superior" than them, it's laughable.. Which opinions of the Zulu people did you sample to come to that conclusion? Do you personally know people of these two tribes to deduce who's "intellectually superior"? You're simply falling into the Nigerian trap of viewing everything through a tribal lens. South Africa is not Nigeria.. where people of the wrong tribe can't even get apartments in the wrong states..


There wouldn't be a Nelson, Tambo, Sisulu et al, if there were no ANC. The same ANC that was founded by Zulu intellectuals such as Pixley ka Seme, Josiah Gumede, and John L. Dube. Stop forcing the hate you have for each other on us

seppuku:
You are lieing Wena. They do.

Case in point the only two Presidents in South Africa to lead a prosperous country have the highly educated, highly intellectual and stoic LA XHOSA NOSTRA.

Seppuku, The Xhosas don't hate the Zulus.. I know you'd so like South Africa to be like Nigeria, but sorry to burst your bubble

seppuku:
Historically the Zulu would call the Xhosa their "dogs". Don't lie.

when was this? 1880?

Jazzworx feat. Mawhooo - Bengicela

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr7cjiP9PYo&list=RDMr7cjiP9PYo&start_radio=1

Then they accuse people of being "xenophobic"

Hydriss:
I'm not arguing the horrors that came with the apartheid regime and all that, truly it's a bad thing and I don't dispute that. My point was the fact that they're where they are now in terms of basic amenities and all because those guys were in charge and deemed it fit to provide. You can't compare South Africa's rate of development and amenities like good roads and all to Nigeria. Yes they gained independence later on but those things were already put in place, we gained independence in 1960 yet we're struggling with the barest minimum. Get my point bro, you're just hell bent on calling me names amd refuse to see what I'm saying. I cease to respond to you henceforth

. Build those roads, Namibia has the best roads in Africa, Senegal has the best roads in West Africa, what are you waiting for? white people? This is exactly the defeatist mentality I'm talking about

Solsix:
You forgot to add bitter and unnecessary wicked

. Isn't this rich coming from a Nigerian of all people?

Hydriss:
Like I said we're just having good leaders who are tired of the rubbish that keep happening, if South Africa didn't have those guys they won't be where they currently are, they also will just be "getting there". Mind you I'm not fascinated by any one or colour, be you white, brown or black just be a good person and come correct and I'm all for you, I don't discriminate. I see your location says South Africa amd deep down you know what I've been saying is true

South Africa is also just getting there, we're not a developed nation but a developing one.. Secondly, Apartheid held us back in a lot of ways. We could have been even further than where we are.. You guys conveniently miss this fact and rush to worship and credit the white settlership in SA, forgetting its drawbacks and the inequality that came from it.. Black South Africans got out of Apartheid a mere 30+ years ago; today, the biggest middle class in Africa is made of Black South Africans, and the biggest number of Black US dollar millionaires are black South Africans. Even leapfrogging countries that got independence in the 60s, like Nigeria, now imagine if we didn't have Apartheid, where would we be by now? ....So please don't dare insult us as say we would have been another African country.. We never had those dynamics to begin with. You got your independence in the '60s, and you've been stuck ever since. Compare this with the black South African who got democracy in 94

You guys know nothing about South Africa apart that it has white people, you don't understand the dynamics, the history, the way of life, the competence of an average white person.. this is why i don't take kindly to sweeping statements

Hydriss:
Have you asked yourself why no black african nation is as developed as South Africa? What's the difference between South Africa and other black nations? In as much as you want to push your "Fascination agenda" the truth remains the same, if those guys weren't there that nation would have been like every other black African country. Reflect on the last sentence bro. We only are getting good black leaders who want the genuine good interest of their nations at heart. The likes of Paul Kagame and Ibrahim Traoure

Nigerians are fascinated and obsessed with white people or whiteness in general, this is not an agenda but a fact.. Do you know the extent of that "development" or how it spread? Secondly, there are successful, progressive black countries like Botswana that are gradually getting there.. it has to do with leaders, not pigment.. Botswana is an all black-country, but is nothing like Nigeria, so don't look at African countries through a Nigerian prism..

Hydriss:
I don't fit into your narrative bro. Ciao

You know, there's this Nigerian actor, his name is Pere..something.. He recently said South Africa makes better movies or television shows than Nigeria, and guess what was the defense of Nigerians? They argued it's because those movies are produced by white people, which is, ofcourse, false. An overwhelming number of South African actors are black, same with the producers and directors, same with the production houses...where am i going with this? A Nigerian wants to attach every progressive thing in South Africa to white people. Why? So you guys don't feel that other black people (esp Black South Africans) aren't leaving you behind. This is exactly the same thing you did on this thread