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seppuku:
Who is disputing that claim? We all know of the criminal Nigerian syndicates that operate in South Africa, but this is separate from claiming your people are not Xenophobic.

We're "xenophobic" and y'all criminals.. there!

seppuku:
Two of those articles support my beliefs.

You still specify they're "your beliefs".. thats all that matters..

seppuku:
so what is this?

Eish you either don't know what is going on in your country on ground or you are choosing to play ignorant.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1jU0oY_lC8&t=67s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-fSbKZdiBY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpMPnyCriB4

So must I post articles of Nigerians involved in crime as well to butress a point that Nigerians in South Africa are criminals too? That us too we're "victims" of your crimes? Yes?

A Nigerian living in South Africa doesn't equate to xenophobia victim or any victim for that matter, quit this charade

seppuku:
I am not a victim of Xenophobia, my fellow Africans living in SA are so how can I be a victim.

SMH

total BS.. A Nigerian living in South Africa doesn't translate to xenophobia victim.. .This card is so played-out is not even funny

seppuku:
Let me clarify then cause hate is a very strong word. I strongly believe the Zulu "despised" the intellectual prowess of the Xhosa and i strongly believe that the Zulu's are the most tribalistic South AFricans out there, noting that there are other tribes who also xhibit tribalism against peoples who live in the peripheries of South Africa such as the Venda, the Shangaan and the kwa-ndebeles.

I also believe there is tribalism that plays a good role in South AFrican politics.

Are we clear now?

I'm glad you specified it was your "belief" because that is very distinct from "facts".

seppuku:
1.There is no shifting posts. I never used the word Hate, go back and read again.
2. The impression of the superior education and intellectual prowess of the Xhosa class in the ANC and overall population is historically noted and a subjection of contention even in present day South Africans, stop lieing. The second article posted denotes this point.



You've used this arguement in the past and are basically playing semantics. The two words can be used interchangeable though they have distinct meanings. Both words are predicated on the intensity of the action, nothing more.



Re-read the sentence again and point specifically to where I allude to Venda people being refered to as Shangaan. I mention them in seperate discriminatory instances.



The above simply bolsters my point that the Xhosa were indeed the intellectual class at the beginnings of the ANC's power. This dwindled after Mbeki was taken out by the populist semi illiterate Zulu- Zuma who was taken out by a Venda and forced a predominately Zulu led party to splinter from the current ANC.

The second article also indicates the there is indeed a power struggle/negotiation by the Xhosa's to re-imerge with the power stuctures.

Its all there to see my friend.

You be saying something then lie a few mins later.

someone said " Xhosas hate the Zulus" I disputed that and you responded by saying "ofcourse they do"! do what?

Again, I said to you " the xhosas don't hate Zulu people " and again you responded by saying, "its the other way around" what is? The "hate of course"... if you gonna say something, else it have the audacity to back it up

You also said, the xhosas were an intellectual class, hated for that by the zulus, so how is your point bolstered here? Where. Is the hate from the Zulus stemming from that intellectualism?

seppuku:
Victim mentality. They just banned me too.

So says Mr xenophobia victim himself.. no victimhood here, just pointing out the obvious incosistancy., someone says an insult to you and you say it back, they ban you and not him.

JaceBlaze:
For calling out an obvious biased and unfair pattern by people who moderate this platform?

LOl, Someone called South Africans "wwicked" the other day, and when I responded by saying "they were far worse because they export their "wwickedness" across the world, I got banned. These people are allergic to the truth

seppuku:
I never said Zulu's hate Xhosa's. I said tribalism EXISTS in South Africa. It may not be as pronounced as that of Nigeria which is very understandable as our histories are very different in terms of the amalgamation and number of so called tribes that make up Nigeria vs South Africa but it EXISTS. From the derogatory stance on Venda peoples to the taunting of the Ama-shagaans to the power struggle between Xhosas and Zulu peoples.


Your narrow understanding of these differences and complexities of West African language groups has you comparing a relatively homogenous country which basically consists of Three groups of people Nguni/Sotho/Shona speaking peoples with a country with over 100+ languages.

SMH!

Bruv...you said "Zulus" hated Xhosa people because Zulu people feel inferior to the intellectually superior Xhosas.. now you're shifting goalposts.. hahahaha..

If going by your argument, the whole world must be tribalistic, then. ..eg the Basques vs Catalans in Spain, the Manchu vs the Han in China, etc... You're simply mistaking being "tribal" with being "tribalistic", the two aren't the same. You are the one with a narrow understanding of the two terms.

Venda people aren't called Shangaan, but Tsonga people are, and they also refer to them;lsevs as such

There's also no power play between Zulu peeople and ama-Xhosa.. The Zulu people are the biggest tribe in SA, population-wise. Yet we had two Xhosa presidents without issues, and the current president is from a small tribal group also without problems. He's also likely to be succeeded by Mashatile, from the Pedi tribe...The same cannot happen in Nigeria

seppuku:
And yet the second article states Ramaphosa's support by the Eastern province for an assurance of return to power to the Xhosa's after his lame duck presidency.

You guys have zero tribalism in South Africa. I believe you neh!

You can have harmless bias in favor of your tribe; this happens everywhere; however, rampant tribalism in South Africa? Forget it, that's your forte. And that's where your energies need to go

You said Zulu people "hated" Xhosa btw, is the "xhosanostra" your reason? LOl..

seppuku:
You can try to cover up your people Mfethu but the information is out there.

https://hsf.org.za/publications/focus/issue-8-third-quarter-1997/the-truth-about-the-xhosa-nostra

https://scrolla.africa/who-will-wield-power-in-the-new-anc-the-xhosa-nostra-or-the-alex-mafia/

Lemme break it down simple for you.. because it's not the earth-shattering conspiracy you think it is.. Under Mbeki's rule, there were growing concerns that Xhosa people were being preferred in key positions of government. So the media coined the term "xhosanostra"... there was no opposition from Zulu people or anything like that..

seppuku:
There wouldn't be a Nelson, Tambo, Sisulu et al, if there were no ANC. The same ANC that was founded by Zulu intellectuals such as Pixley ka Seme, Josiah Gumede, and John L. Dube

You can try to cover up your people Mfethu but the information is out there.

https://hsf.org.za/publications/focus/issue-8-third-quarter-1997/the-truth-about-the-xhosa-nostra

https://scrolla.africa/who-will-wield-power-in-the-new-anc-the-xhosa-nostra-or-the-alex-mafia/

Lol, do you even understand what the Xhosa Nostra is, bro?

seppuku:
Go and ask your Historians then come back and call me a Liar.

thought as much

seppuku:
It's the other way round the Zulu's know that the Xhosa's are intellectually superior to them and great founders of modern South Africa.

Nelson, Walter, Tambo, Biko.

Why do you like presenting yourself as this expert on South African issues? especially when you know so little?

There's no animosity between the Xhosa and the Zulu people, i don't even recall being there a "Xhosa must go" stance in Zulu-dominated areas, and to even insinuate Zulu people "hate" Xhosa people, because Zulu people view them to be "intellectually superior" than them, it's laughable.. Which opinions of the Zulu people did you sample to come to that conclusion? Do you personally know people of these two tribes to deduce who's "intellectually superior"? You're simply falling into the Nigerian trap of viewing everything through a tribal lens. South Africa is not Nigeria.. where people of the wrong tribe can't even get apartments in the wrong states..


There wouldn't be a Nelson, Tambo, Sisulu et al, if there were no ANC. The same ANC that was founded by Zulu intellectuals such as Pixley ka Seme, Josiah Gumede, and John L. Dube. Stop forcing the hate you have for each other on us

seppuku:
You are lieing Wena. They do.

Case in point the only two Presidents in South Africa to lead a prosperous country have the highly educated, highly intellectual and stoic LA XHOSA NOSTRA.

Seppuku, The Xhosas don't hate the Zulus.. I know you'd so like South Africa to be like Nigeria, but sorry to burst your bubble

seppuku:
Historically the Zulu would call the Xhosa their "dogs". Don't lie.

when was this? 1880?

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