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Islam › Re: Do you have any Question about Islam? by kismat(op): 1:34pm On Dec 16, 2005
W/salam.

Kenya, a true believe Muslim man will always have his intention focused on marrying a believing woman. Those who go about ending up with partners who associate sonship to Allah/God have little knowledge/understanding of their actions. Most that i've witnessned are greatly distressed about this and i know a family member who have done this and become really stressed when they started having Kids. Should they go to Church or Mosque? Should they believe in Jesus as the son of God or Messiah? Should i pray Isha or say my bed time prayer with mommy? Hence its encouraged that one should end up with a believing women and resort to non-believing women as long as she doesnt associate any partners with Allah. It's easy for such a person to witness and understand the acts Muslims devote themselves to in worship Allah.
Islam › Re: Do you have any Question about Islam? by kismat(op): 5:40pm On Dec 15, 2005
What exactly is the KAABAH? Whats in it, why do muslims seem to worship it? As in the go round it bowing down and all that. Can you please explain that to me. And the SAFA and MARWA, And stoning the wall(the devil?). All these things are preformed during HAJJ. What exactly do they imply?
Each question can take about ten pages to explain but i'll try my best.

The Kabah is NOT what we worship and there's nothing in it. The Kabah is just a symbol of unity for the muslims, telling everyone that wherever we may be, we face one direction and pray in unity. And during Hajj or Umrah, we circle the Kabah to symbolise the fact that our lives revolve around One thing - Allah. We are all insignificant. And being in the crowd of over 2 million, one can't help but to feel humbled, whether you are king or peasant, you are reminded that Allah is sovereign above all.

"And (remember) when We made the House (the Ka'bah at Makkah) a place of resort for mankind and a place of safety. And take you (people) the Maqâm (place) of Ibrâhim (Abraham) [or the stone on which Ibrâhim (Abraham) >> stood while he was building the Ka'bah] as a place of prayer, and We commanded Ibrâhim (Abraham) and Ismâ'il (Ishmael) that they should purify My House (the Ka'bah at Makkah) for those who are circumambulating it, or staying (I'tikâf), or bowing or prostrating themselves (there, in prayer)."
"And (remember) when Ibrâhim (Abraham) said, "My Lord, make this city (Makkah) a place of security and provide its people with fruits, such of them as believe in Allâh and the Last Day." He (Allâh) answered: "As for him who disbelieves, I shall leave him in contentment for a while, then I shall compel him to the torment of the Fire, and worst indeed is that destination!"

"And (remember) when Ibrâhim (Abraham) and (his son) Ismâ'il (Ishmael) were raising the foundations of the House (the Ka'bah at Makkah), (saying), "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us. Verily! You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knower."

"Our Lord! And make us submissive unto You and of our offspring a nation submissive unto You, and show us our Manâsik [] (all the ceremonies of pilgrimage - Hajj and 'Umrah, etc.), and accept our repentance. Truly, You are the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful."


"Our Lord! Send amongst them a Messenger of their own (and indeed Allâh answered their invocation by sending Muhammad Peace be upon him ), who shall recite unto them Your Verses and instruct them in the Book (this Qur'ân) and Al-Hikmah (full knowledge of the Islâmic laws and jurisprudence or wisdom or Prophethood, etc.), and sanctify them. Verily! You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise."
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by kismat: 6:32pm On Dec 14, 2005
The statement in verses 15 and 18 are direct references to Jesus (The Prophet, King, Priest and above all, Lord) –(All Peace be from Him)
So Jesus is a prophet and not God?
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by kismat: 3:17pm On Dec 14, 2005
nice quote me something relevant to the topic. Stop this salvation/redemption thing. You claim that the bible is Gods words and millions of you believe in it. Quote me something from it. Teach me. I'm not a christian and i'm challenging you to prove that the verse i've quoted above is refering to someone else. Definitely not your saviour jesus. Who then?
Islam › Re: Do you have any Question about Islam? by kismat(op): 1:56pm On Dec 14, 2005
What does Islam say about the nature of Allah?
How does he compare to the Christian notion of an all loving and yet all powerful 'father figure'?
For Muslims, the best answer is given in the Quran in Chapter 112;

1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

4. And there is none like unto Him.

The first verse basically states the oneness of Allah.
The second verse tells us that Allah doesnt live in any space or time. He is eternal and Absolute.
The Third verse clarifies the absolute oneness of HIM and that he beget not nor is he begot.
The fourth verse is more of a sum up to your questions. That whatever we can think of is NOT God. No one has seen HIM and HE is beyond our understanding, knowledge or comprehension.


Also where did the those who wrote the Koran get their sources on Jesus from?
Quran was reveled to Prophet Muhummed pbuh (from God/Allah) of which he recited to the learned who wrote it down and/or memorized it. As you might already know that Islam is the only non-christian faith which makes it an article of faith to believe in Jesus. No muslims is a muslim if he doesnt believe Jesus the son of Mary was a messenger of God and raised the dead, healed the blind, dumb and the leapers through the will of God/Allah.

Lo! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird by Allah’s leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah’s leave. And I announce to you what you eat and what you store up in your houses. Lo! herein verily is a portent for you if you are to be believers.
And (I come) confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of that which was forbidden unto you. I come unto you with a sign from your Lord, so keep your duty to Allah and obey me. Lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path. (Qur’an 3: 49-51).


We also believe in all previous prophets (from adam, moses, abraham, david, jonah, solomon etc) and all that was reveled to them. Therefore what was reveled to Muhummed about Jesus was from God/Allah and specifically meant to prove that muhummed is a messenger and that what he was preaching (the oneness of God) is what Jesus and what all other prophets taught. More so to clarify the misconception (trinity, sonship etc) and also strengthen the hearts of those who truly follow the teachings of Jesus to recognise Muhummed as a messager of God.


Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then He said unto him: Be! and he is. (Qur’an 3:59).


She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: So (it will be). Allah createth what He will. If He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is (Qur’an 3:47).
Islam › Re: Do you have any Question about Islam? by kismat(op): 12:56pm On Dec 14, 2005
Sorry to bother you kismat, but i really want to know the position of islam as regards dating prior to marriage!

Personally, I prefer to know my would be wife before i eventually marry her, i mean i would rather she be my best friend, the person who i can rely on, trust and cherish to the high heavens!

This no doubt will entails long years of relationship and close contacts devoid of sex, etc.... My question is since AL-ISLAM don't tolerate mingling between both sexes.... how can i go about this because i strongly desire to marry a muslim and knowing her person in totality is a prerequisite?
Islam doesnt allow a believing woman to marry a non-believing man but a believing man can marry a christian or a jew (people of the book). I don't know how religious the girl is and i think you'll find yourself in a difficult situation of converting but not knowing why. Is it because of the girl or you trully respect her religion and willing to share he beliefs and totally understand the oneness of God?


As for the friendship and seeking a long term buddy before settling down.you know whenever a female and male seat together, the third person is always the devil/satan. So you'll end up doing two things, either tempted to do something, or pick up on something small which might lead you to call off the whole thing. Marriage is about a contract bidding two people to help each other out and go through the pains/pleasure of life together. if you are sure you want to get married and know that whoever you're interested in has the qualities you're looking for, i would suggest you put your trust in God and go ahead. But as i said, if you're non-believing man interested in a muslim girl, you have a huge task ahead of you.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Most Churches Focus on Miracles? by kismat: 4:08pm On Dec 13, 2005
@nice

Salvation. Jesus Died of your sins (whilst God, his father, ignored him when he was crying out for help).
Islam › Do you have any Question about Islam? by kismat(op): 3:49pm On Dec 13, 2005
Anyone who has any question/s about Islam (what it is etc) please feel free to ask. I'll try my best to answer you question in the simplest form.

The Five Basic Principle of Islam (Pillars of Islam)

To be a muslim, we first declare (only once) that there is no Gob But One God. Thereafter the remaining four principles basically make you a complete Muslim.

1. Pray five times a day (right before sun rise, midday, evening, sun-set & before going to bed)
2. Give Charity
3. Fast during the month of Ramadan (29-30 days) every lunar (360 days) year

For those who are healthy and financially capable of travelling to Mecca, Hajj (pilgrimage) is mandantory (once in a life time).
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by kismat: 3:37pm On Dec 13, 2005
You spend 99% of your time/energy talking/reading about salvation backing yourselves with a book (bible) that you dont understand.

I've yet to hear anyone giving a concrete answer as to who is being refered to in the verse i've quoted. If its not muhammed pbuh, state who and why?
Christianity Etc › Re: How Does God Talk to People? by kismat: 3:31pm On Dec 13, 2005
@rhoh....please read my statement before you assumtions start kicking. What i meant is you previous statement
The world sees me as "poor" but in the Kingdom I am Rich
didnt come from the holy spirit. You reached that conclusion by reading holy/unholy books which guided you to come up with that belief. We or certainly most of us who are educated in religious and non-religious matters know that money isnt everything in this world. Thats what i meant.
Christianity Etc › Re: How Does God Talk to People? by kismat: 3:23pm On Dec 13, 2005
ok guys...what does your talking God tell you that we dont already know?
Christianity Etc › Re: I Do Not Believe in God by kismat: 3:19pm On Dec 13, 2005
"Surely the Almighty changes not the condition of a people unless they change that which is in themselves." Quran Chapter 13:11

Your quest to believe in God can only be met by first admitting that you have no knowledge of the hereafter. From there, i would advise you to pick up religious books (Islam, Christianity) and see what they say about life after death.

"We have shown man the path of truth and the path of falsehood; he may choose either the path of guidance and offer the thanks, or choose the path of ingratitude." Quran chapter 76:3
Christianity Etc › Re: I Do Not Believe in God by kismat: 1:13pm On Dec 13, 2005
There is no compulsion in religion. Whether you want to believe in God or not is up to you and only your intentions (good or bad) will decided where you end up. If you seek to know the truth (by seeking knowledge) about God, life after death and why you are in this world, then it is only HE who created us that can lead you to that direction and opens your eyes and heart to make you understand what you are reading.

"Shall We treat those who believe and do good deeds of righteousness, the same as those who spread corruption (do mischief) on earth? Shall We treat those who guard against evil (pious), the same as those who turn aside from the right (wicked)?"

Quran Chapter 28


Almighty Allah states in the Holy Qur’aan:

"I swear by the Day of Resurrection; and I swear by the self reproaching person (a believer). Does man (a disbeliver) think that We shall not assemble his bones? Yes, we are able to put together in perfect order the tips of his fingers. Nay! man denies reserruction and Reckoning. So he desires to continue commiting sins. He asks: "When will be this Day of Resurrection?"
when the sight is dazed, and the moon will be eclipsed, and sun and moon are united(by going one into the other or folded up or deprived of their light etc). On that day man will cry: "Where (is the refuge) to flee!" No! there is no refuge! Unto your Lord alone will be the place of rest that Day. On that day man will be informed of what he sent forward (of his eivil or good deeds), and what he left behind (of his good or evil traditions). Nay! Man will be a witness against himself [as his body parts (skin, hands, legs etc.) will speak about his deeds] Though he may put forth his excuses (to cover his evil deeds)."

Chapter 75 1-15

Does man think that he will be left uncontrolled, (without purpose)? Was he not a drop of sperm emitted (in lowly form)?
Then did he become a leech-like clot; then did ((Allah)) make and fashion (him) in due proportion. And of him He made two sexes, male and female. Has not He, (the same), the power to give life to the dead?

Chapter 75 36-40
Christianity Etc › Re: How Does God Talk to People? by kismat: 11:00am On Dec 13, 2005
@nice

My point (not argument) is that God has nothing to talk to us about. Through the prophets we have received his message and it is up to us to read (seek knowledge) and worship him accordingly. What you claim to be God talking to you is nothing but conscious guiding you during your decision making process.
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by kismat: 5:38pm On Dec 12, 2005
I really can't say the Bible was referring to anyone in particular, neither will I say it was referring to Mohammed (as u imply).
Funny how your statement shows the total denial of something you have no knowledge of (Mohammed pbuh).

Allow me to illustrate how this fits Mohammed pbuh and not Jesus as MANY of you would jump to as the refered prophet.

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth;
and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
Deut.18:18.

A prophet means a man who receives Divine Revelation for the Guidance of Man and this Guidance he conveys to God's creatures as received without any addition or deletion. Thousands of prophets have been sent by God by known to us are about two dozens or so. Of the 20'something, how many do you know of that are LIKE moses?

HOW MUHUMMED IS LIKE MOSES

Marriage Ties

Moses and Muhummed married and begat children, but Jesus remained a bachelor all his life.

Jesus Rejected by his People
Moses and Muhummed were accepted as prophets by their people in their very lifetime. No doubt the Jews gave endless trouble to Moses and they murmured in the wilderness, but as a nation, they acknowledged that Moses was a Messenger of God sent to them. The Arabs too made Muhummed's life imposs ible. He suffered very badly at their hands. After 13 years of preaching in Mecca, he had to emigrate from the city of his birth. But before his demise, the Arab nation as a whole accepted him as the Messenger of Allah. But according to the Bible: 'He (Jesus) CAME UNTO HIS OWN, BUT HIS OWN RECEIVED HIM NOT.' (John 1:11). And even today, ofter two thousand years, his people- the Jews, as a whole, have rejeted him.

How they Departed
Both Moses and Muhummed died natural deaths, but according to Christianity, Jesus was violently killed on the cross

Heavenly Abode

Moses and Muhummed both lie buried in earth, but according to you, Jesus in heaven.

Muhummed (Arab) Brethren of Moses (Jew)

"I WILL RAISE THEM UP A PROPHET FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN LIKE UNTO THEE......." The emphasis is on the words- "From among their brethren." Moses and his people, the Jews, are here addressed as a racial entity, and as such their 'brethren' would undoubtedly be the arabs. You see, the Holy Bible s peaks of Abraham as the "Friend of God". Abraham had two wives - Sarah and Hagar. Hagar bore Abraham a son - HIS FIRST-BORN- '......And Abraham(11) called HIS SON'S name, which Hagar bare Ishmael.' (Genesis 16:15). 'And Abraham took Ishmael HIS SON......" (Genesis 17:23). 'And Ishmael HIS SON was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.'(Genesis 17:25). Up to the age of THIRTEEN Ishmael was the ONLY son and sed of Abraham, when the covenant was ratified between God and Abraham. God grants Abraham another son through Sarah, named Isaac, wh o was very much the junior to his brother Ishmael.

Arabs and Jews
If Ishmael and Isaac are the sons of the same father Abraham, then they are brothers. And so the children of the one are the BRETHREN of the children of the other. The children of Isaac are the Jews and the Children of Ishmael are the Arabs - so they are BRETHREN to one another. The Bible affirms, 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) SHALL DWELL IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.' (Genesis 16:12). 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) DIED IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.(Genesis 25:18). The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. In like manner Muhummed is from among the brethren of the Israeli tes beause he was a descendant of Ishamel the son of Abraham. This exactly as the prophecy has it- 'FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN'.(Deut.18:18). There the prophecy distinctly mentions that the coming prophet who would be like Moses, must arise NOT from the 'children of Israel' or from 'among the mselves', but from among their brethren. MUHUMMED THEREFORE WAS FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN!


Words in the Mouth
History tells us that Muhummed was forty years of age. He was in a cave some three miles north of the City of Mecca. It was the 27th night of the Muslim month of Ramadaan. In the cave the Archangel Gabriel commands him in his mother tongue:'IQRA' which means READ! or PROCLAIM! or RECITE! Muhummed w as terrified and in his bewilderment replied that he was not NOT LEARNED! The angel commands him a second time with the same result. For the third time the angel continues.

Now Muhummed, grasps, that what was required of him was to repeat! to rehearse! And he repeats the words as they were put into his mouth:

"READ! IN THE NAME OF THE LORD AND CHERISHER, WHO CREATED-
CREATED MAN, FROM A (MERE) CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD:

READ! AND THY LORD IS MOST BOUNTIFUL,-
HE WHO TAUGHT (THE USE OF) THE PEN,

TAUGHT MAN THAT WHICH HE KNEW NOT".


(Holy Qur'an 96:1-5)

These are the first five verses which were revealed to Muhummed which now occupy the beginning of the 96th chapter of the Holy Qur'an

and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him
Chapters in the quran start with: IN TH E NAME OF GOD, MOST GRACIOUS, MOST MERCIFUL


SAY:"O PEOPLE OF THE BOOK!
COME TO COMMON TERMS AS BETWEEN US AND YOU:
THAT WE WORSHIP NONE BUT GOD;
THAT WE ASSOCIATE NO PARTNERS WITH HIM;
THAT WE ERECT NOT, FROM AMONG OURSELVES,
LORDS AND PATRONS OTHER THAN GOD."
IF THEN THEY TURN BACK,
SAY:"BEAR WITNESS THAT WE (AT LEAST)
ARE MUSLIMS (BOWING TO GOD'S WILL)."

(Holy Qur'an 3:64)
Christianity Etc › Re: The King is Coming! by kismat: 3:42pm On Dec 12, 2005
Yes, He has
You mean George Bush? What king has arrived?
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by kismat: 3:39pm On Dec 12, 2005
grin you seem to luck the holy spirit when it comes to answering questions. Lets stick to the topic......who is being refered to?
Christianity Etc › Re: How Does God Talk to People? by kismat: 2:53pm On Dec 12, 2005
@nice...informed decisions based on you previous knowledge. Which means i dont have to have a holy ghost/spirit for me to know that stealing is bad, or helping the poor is good, or working for too many hours and chasing the quick buck means a healthier life (@rhod).

As long as we are well knowledged, we can make informed decisions which you seem to be attributing to the holy spirit.
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by kismat: 2:48pm On Dec 12, 2005
so you are saying what? its refering to Jesus? Why not speak your mind son? Stop giving vague answers. Call a spade a spade.
Christianity Etc › Re: How Does God Talk to People? by kismat: 2:36pm On Dec 12, 2005
Are you not making decisions (cognitive process) by selecting a course of action from among multiple alternatives which are based on your knowledge? rolleyes
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by kismat: 1:14pm On Dec 12, 2005
@nice....i dont think my question is that hard. To whom does this prophecy refer? It didnt say prophets (with an S) just prophet. This is God talking to Moses. Who was being refered to in this verse?
Christianity Etc › Re: How Does God Talk to People? by kismat: 1:09pm On Dec 12, 2005
"idiosyncratism" at its best form. How can you prove that whoever is talking to you is not Satan? What is wanted of you as a human being has been revelled by God through his messengers and can only be found via knowledge which guides you during your decision making process. If God is talking to you, then you dont need to go to School, get a degree, work hard. Just read the bible and let God guide you during your day to day activities. Try making a living by reading the bible.
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by kismat: 12:56pm On Dec 12, 2005
Why nothing? According to your interpretation the Bible has so many things to say about the rise of Soviet Russia and about the Last Days and even about the Pope of the Roman Catholics? Surely this man Muhummed who had been responsible for the bringing into being a world-wide community of millions of Believers who, on his authority, believe in:

(1) the miraculous birth of Jesus,
(2) that Jesus is the Messiah
(3) that he gave life to the dead by God's permission, and that he healed those born blind and the lepers by God's permission.

Surely the Bible must have something to say about this great Leader of men who spoke so well of Jesus and his mother Mary?

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth;
and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." Deut.18:18.

To whom does this prophecy refere?
Christianity Etc › Re: What is Christmas? by kismat: 12:44pm On Dec 12, 2005
There is nothing like Christmas in Christianity. Its an invention just as you have many invented words of "God" in the bible.

"Christmas was originally a festival of the Winter Solstice. It was customary to hold great feasts in honor of the HEATHEN GODS. The early teachers of Christianity PROHIBITED THESE FESTIVALS as unsuited to the character of Christ. Yet the symbols and customs of the old festivals are adapted to the new, and so we find Christmas patterned with many customs of pagan origin."

Book: The customs of Mankind
Christianity Etc › Re: How Does God Talk to People? by kismat: 12:33pm On Dec 12, 2005
He sure does talk to EVERYONE, everytime and in many ways just that some people have a better receptive altitude than others..... by this i mean if you are following after him, reading the bible and praying and believing him for mighty things, there is a tendency that u will hear him for every thing u are doing. Take for example somebody got on your last nerves or told lies about u and u're planning to curse da hell out of that person, and some small voice tells you not to do it, and the other voice is so strong and is saying Jackie you have to tell this person your piece of mind, it's a slight on your personality , u can't let this happen to? and bla bla bla, Now for searching after GOD, you should know that the small voice telling u not to do it is From God, but for someone who really doesn't care about God will act on the strong voice.

So it all depends on the person, and the level of rightousness. That not withhstanding God talks to everybody, through different media. Just get more close to him and you will be able to distinguish his voice from all other voices.
So was God speaking to Timothy McVeigh?
Christianity Etc › Re: The King is Coming! by kismat: 12:22pm On Dec 12, 2005
This King has been coming for the past 2000+yrs.
Christianity Etc › Re: Are Christians in Conflict or Does the Bible Contradict Itself? by kismat: 12:15pm On Dec 12, 2005
@kismat, why waste your time looking for faults which aren't even there? Face your religion and let's face ours. The most important thing is that we serve God in truth and in spirit.
I guess if your priest/pastor doesnt say it, then it aint holy? Read my previous posting of which i've listed some, not all, but some of the faults in your bible. These are errors you get from books written by man, not God. He is perfect and just look at yourself and imagine that sometime back you were a drop of sperm and now fully talking, walking but unfortunately not thinking.

@Rhode: thats what islam is basically saying. The bible has undergone revisions, rewrittings, retranslations to the point that the original message of Jesus peace be upon him has been lost. What we have in KJV and the rest are "some" of God's words but most are man made. Islam is not a new religion, its what abraham, david, solomon, moses, jonah, jesus taught. Believe in One God.

What Mohammad peace be upon him did is bring us the final message (quran) from God Almighty and show us how to live and worship our creator.

"Say, (O Muhammed) "I am no more than a human being like you...." Quran 18:110
Christianity Etc › Re: Are Christians in Conflict or Does the Bible Contradict Itself? by kismat: 12:57pm On Dec 09, 2005
Does this mean these inaccuracies are attributed to God? Because thats what you christians believe, these books were written by "inspired" people. God talked to them.

"I even, I am the Lord, and beside me there is no saviour." (Isaiah 43:11)

Personifying God is making mockering of HIM. You start imagining God with teeth, mouth, hungry God, tired God and soon you're soo brainwashed you start admitting God can make mistakes (as seen in the bible). Sub'hanallah.

The denial of Jesus divinity (and. for the matter, of Mary's divinity) is presented in the Quran in the form of a dialogue, at the Day of Judgement, between the Almighty and Jesus.

“ And when God said, O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say unto men, Take me and my mother as gods, apart from God? He said, To you be glory! It is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, you would have known it, knowing what is within my heart, though I do not know your knowledge; you know the things unseen. I only said to them what you did commands me: Serve God, my God and your God” (Al-Maida 5-116).

The following Article details a Muslim's perspective regarding Jesus peace be upon him.

http://www.quran.ca/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=184
Christianity Etc › Re: Are Christians in Conflict or Does the Bible Contradict Itself? by kismat: 12:49pm On Dec 08, 2005
I'm definitely making good use of my time by defending the principle of monotheism. Only ONE God.

God/Allah has given us knowledge/intelligence and you seem not to be making use of it. Why would HE make things about HIM difficult to understand? This is "God's" words right? Then how many stalls did Solomon peace be upon him have? four or forty thousand ?

Is your God that forgetful? He says onething to one person and forgets and says something else to another?

Do you attribute this clear contradiction to God?

"But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them (Jews and Christians) and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others)."

Quran Chap 5 ver 13

Prove what has been altered?

Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?

(a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)

(b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)





  In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?

(a) Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)

(b) One million, one hundred thousand (IChronicles 21:5)




  How many fighting men were found in Judah?

(a)  Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)

(b) Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)




  God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?

(a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)

(b) Three (I Chronicles 21:12)




  How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

(a)  Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)

(b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)




  How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?

(a) Eighteen 2 Kings 24:8

(b)  Eight 2 Chronicles 36:9




  How long did he rule over Jerusalem?

(a) Three months 2 Kings 24:8

(b) Three months and ten days 2 Chronicles 36:9


  The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?

(a)  Eight hundred 2 Samuel 23:8

(b)  Three hundred I Chronicles 11: 11




  When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
(a) After (2 Samuel 5 and 6

(b)  Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14




  How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?

(a) Two (Genesis 6:19, 20

(b) Seven (Genesis 7:2. But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9




  When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?

(a)  One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4

(b) Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4



  In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha,   King of Israel die?

(a) Twenty-sixth year  (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8

(b) Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1




  How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?

(a) Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2

(b) Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16




  Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?

(a) Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26

(b) Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5




Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab? 

(a)  Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6

(b) Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11




  How many were the children of Zattu?

(a) Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8

(b) Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13




  How many were the children of Azgad?

(a) One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12

(b) Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17




  How many were the children of Adin?

(a) Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15

(b) Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20




  How many were the children of Hashum?

(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19

(b) Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22




  How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?

(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28

(b) One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32




  Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:

(a) 29,818 (Ezra

(b) 31,089 (Nehemiah)




  How many singers accompanied the assembly?

(a)  Two hundred (Ezra 2:65

(b) Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67




  What was the name of King Abijah’s mother?

(a) Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2

(b) Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20 But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27




  Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?

(a) Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)

(b)  No (Joshua 15:63)




  Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?

(a) Jacob (Matthew 1:16)

(b) Hell (Luke 3:23)




  Jesus descended from which son of David?

(a) Solomon (Matthew 1:6)

(b) Nathan(Luke3:31)




Who was the father of Shealtiel?

(a) Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)

(b) Neri’ (Luke 3:27)
Family › Re: Does A Man Need More Than One Wife? by kismat: 5:21pm On Dec 07, 2005
may be this will shocked your eyes

- About 60 percent of men and 40 percent of women will have an affair at some point in some marriage
"Monogamy Myth", Therapist Peggy Vaugn

-About 24 percent of men and 14 percent of women have had sex outside their marriages, according to a Dec. 21, 1998 report in USA Today on a national study by the University of California, San Francisco.

Affairs affect one of every 2.7 couples, according to counselor Janis Abrahms Spring, author of "After the Affair," as reported by the Washington Post on March 30, 1999. Ten percent of extramarital affairs last one day, 10 percent last more than one day but less than a month, 50 percent last more than a month but less than a year, but 40 percent last two or more years. Few extramarital affairs last more than four years.


Pretty...you're better off marrying a muslim. You can put it down in written on your marriage contract that he shouldnt get married to another woman. tongue
Christianity Etc › Re: Are Christians in Conflict or Does the Bible Contradict Itself? by kismat: 5:14pm On Dec 07, 2005
lay.. grin...nothing wrong with my english mate......how many stalls are there.....four thousand or forty thousand stalls?

if i say...
i have four thousand stalls of horse.....
i have forty thousand stalls for horses.....

how many stalls do i have?
Christianity Etc › Re: What Exactly Is God's Role in Natural Disasters? by kismat: 3:51pm On Dec 07, 2005
Natural disasters can be seen as a sign of the Almighty reminding us that certain is death no matter where you are. Why kill the rightoues, children etc? you might ask. Why not? Who said you have to die when you've aged? Who knows when s/he will die? This is the state of mind we get into when we become lax and forget that we are all going to die and one day raised to account for what we have done during our stay in this world.

This surah (chapter) in the quran briefly describes the last day.


Chapter 99. The Earthquake

1. When the earth is shaken to her (utmost) convulsion,

2. And the earth throws up her burdens (from within),

3. And man cries (distressed): 'What is the matter with her?'-

4. On that Day will she declare her tidings:

5. For that thy Lord will have given her inspiration.

6. On that Day will men proceed in companies sorted out, to be shown the deeds that they (had done).

7. Then shall anyone who has done an atom's weight of good, see it!

8. And anyone who has done an atom's weight of evil, shall see it.

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