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HardMirror:
na wa o

Hmm! As you cannot deny day and night, rewards and retribution, commendation and condemnation... so you cannot deny Heaven and Hell fire!

Take the picture below for example.
When you plant a tree and nurture it, it will mature and start to yield fruits.

Remember it's only one fruit/seed you planted, but during harvest time, you'll have millions of fruits/seed each year.

After this life each person enters harvest season.

*. Galatians 6:7 " KJV:Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap ."
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KJV:For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption ; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap LIFE EVERLASTING ."

Myer:
That's a choice you chose to make.

True choice...in response to the counsel of the Wisest Being!

*. Deuteronomy 30:15 " KJV:See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil ;...
19 " KJV:I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE life, that both thou and thy seed may live :"

Not meant to be imposed on others.

No, never imposed on anyone. Letting people know about is one of the demand on us who believe!
Failure to warn others makes me an unbeliever!

*. Ezekiel 3:11 " KJV:And go, get thee to them of the captivity, unto the children of thy people, and speak unto them, and tell them, Thus saith the Lord God; whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear ...
18 "KJV:When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand ."

Myer:
Why do you believe heaven and hell are real?
When your only evidence is that it was said in the bible.

Yes heaven and Hell are real just as the Holy God and Satan are real, heaven and hell fire are as real as day and night...

1st I read it in the Bible but now it's even more clearly as we see the world coming to an end.

Outside the Bible I now know that the consequences of any action is going to be eternal..

Myer:
I doubt it but just because I've never met him.

But being a contemporary of our time I know a lot of people believe that he's the first man on the moon because they knew him and they were live as he travelled in a space shuttle to the the outer space and returned.

But they did not go with him. Supposing he was telling them lies?

What I see in this life is all about faith. 1st believe and then you'll see.

Heaven is real and Hell is real. You can not miss the 2 at the same time!

Myer:
Well while those documented in only the bible are not verifiable.

Man's travel to the moon was documented on video not just photo.
Even recently Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk have achieved it.

"... Well while those documented in only the bible are not verifiable."

Bible documentations are very very verifiable!

All the guidelines are given to interested individuals.
We can eventually be with God Jesus!

The 1st procedure is to confess your sins and forsake them. Proverbs 28:13

Note: two kinds of confession:
1. confess sins (proverbs 28:13)
2. confess Jesus.(Romans 10:9-10)

In number 1 above:
a. confess your sins and
b. forsake them ( the sins)

In number 2 above:
a. With your mouth (not meditation in your hand or heart) confess that Jesus is Lord, He died, was buried and resurrected from the dead on the 3rd day,
b. believe in your heart that Jesus died and resurrected from the dead!

End result to the 1st confession is Mercy will be shown to you.

The end result to the 2nd confession is salvation ( you'll be saved).

Like the traveling to the moon, if one demands to go to the moon, he'll comply with the rules guiding the travelers.

If travellers to the moon are not trekking , you must not insist on trekking.
You must join in the space ship they are using.

join us, for we are going to see the creator of all things!

Where He is, there we shall be also ( John 14:1-3)

*. Proverbs 28 :13 " KJV:He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy"

*. Romans 10:9 "KJV:That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

*. John 14:3 " KJV:And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also ."

Myer:
Well while those documented in only the bible are not verifiable.

Man's travel to the moon was documented on video not just photo.
Even recently Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk have achieved it.

How about the 1st man who we're told traveled to the moon... you in particular, did you doubt that?

You know the kind of question " free thinkers" used to ask - how did you know he traveled to the moon actually, were you there?

Consider the Op statement below. Does he agree the Bible is the word of God?

I can speak for myself. I am not doubting Gods word. Where is God's word? I have not even seen the gods word talkless of doubting it. Have you seen gods word?

HardMirror:
similarities between species is self evident for one, mutations are also self evident. It is beyond belief it is fact and observable

Hmm! Similarities between species...?

Maybe plants evolved to animal ( especially man) in regards to the below

Went to the zoo yesterday. Was quite surprised to learn that human beings share 50% of our DNA with...

....wait for it.....

BANANAS grin.

No jokes!

[quote author=HardMirror post=108930394]sure

Conner44:
Give the Igbo presidency and kiss Nigeria goodbye

Myer:
Exactly.
This is why I could no longer defend the evolutionist theory.

Now eventhough i am sceptical about the creationist theory, I'm also just as sceptical about the evolutionist theory.

Which is why I have assumed the position of the agnostic. I understand that it's not everything we can have an answer to.
Cos concerning the existence of life, we may never have the answer.

None has been able to prove with concrete evidence how life and the universe came to be.

What is evidence? Please I need to KNOWMORE about the word...

We read and heard almost everything... we choose the ones to believe and disbelieve the other....

like we read and heard that somebody traveled to the moon, what was the evidence that makes you accept it to be true?

HardMirror:
I used to be like this until I started listening to a lot of biologists. I realize it makes sense because there are indeed proofs for evolution and the questions we ask such as the one you asked are actually ridiculous. How can we expect to see an animal evolve? It is so gradual you cannot notice until you compare over a period of time enough that the changes are observable.

"...How can we expect to see an animal evolve? It is so gradual you cannot notice ...."

I know you are more confused than this... one of the reasons I want to KNOWMORE about your definition of evidence at the beginning of the thread...

Now let's use the 7 days in a week to get something right:

if you decide to count from Monday, you'll have Sunday as your seventh day.

If you decide to count from Tuesday, you'll have Monday as your seventh day.

E.g Monday - 1; Tuesday -2; Wednesday -3; Thursday -4; Friday -5; Saturday -6; Sunday -7!

So each day can be the seventh day depending on what day you started your counting. Isn't it?

Ok. No matter how much (years) it takes for a creature to evolve into another one... today actually fulfill the number of such number of years... depending on the time you started your counting!

From the point your number of years completed for other living things to become human, it should be happening every day because each day complete that number of years!

I mean, today it's trillions of years completed depending on where you started your counting!

Can you show me the "evidence"?
I'm yet to understand what you call evidence.

By the way, disbelief = inability or refusal to accept that something is true or real.

Jsaviour:
I don't know which devil made Nigerians believe that heaven is for poor people.

Poverty doesn't guarantee heaven for you neither does wealth equal to hell.

Your deeds and God's mercy guarantees your place.

The poor need to wake up and change this deceptive mindset else they wallow in self pity/deceit until they find themselves in hell.

Yes, a good man or pastor whether rich or poor will make heaven

"Yes, a good man or pastor whether rich or poor will make heaven
Poverty doesn't guarantee heaven for you neither does wealth equal to hell

So true...

AquaPetals:
Going by what Christ said in the book of Matthew 19:24....."....it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.(NIV)
....
Since it is practically impossible for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, can we now conclude that the rich pastors(bling-bling pastors, private jet pastors, grammarian pastors, Limousine pastors, billion-dollar pastors, etc), would not enter the Promised Kingdom?


Christian scholars and MOG in the house. Please do justice

The disciples response to Jesus statement shows that they are not poor... and Jesus reply to them shows that rich people can get to heaven

*. Matthew 19 :24 " KJV:And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God .
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KJV: When his disciples [b] heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, [b] saying, Who then can be saved?
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KJV:But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible .

MaxInDHouse:
Chai!
My God will continue to bless Jehovah's Witnesses for me!
See someone who publicly debunked the existence of God yet come and see people covering up for an atheist!

Jehovah's Witnesses, thank you!

Na your way

Emusan:
Why do you want him to use his username?



@color - The man in question according to knowmore56 is Dr. Rolf Furuli, are you saying Dr. Furuli is a Nairalander

Thank you dear. I know you know that max know that I'm referring to the author of "my beloved religion"

But as JW he is, he'll look for means of causing confusion...

Emusan:
Yet you'll hear JWs saying something like "human government has failed..."

I'll be like, those 8 lying men are they not also HUMAN GOVERNMENT?

Real human government having autocratic governance

tctrills:
You are not relating. And the scriptures you quote have little to do with the topic.
Calm down and explain your point of view ok.
But then let's conclude our topic. Is man also a spirit like God since he was created in God's image?

Yes, man is a spirit like God!
*. Genesis 1:26 " KJV:And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness : and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
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KJV:So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

*. Genesis 2: 7 "

Rosement:
Modified
If you are a Christian, don't argue with janosky, he is a demonic agent, he is only doing what is master sent him. Even the devil can quote the Bible.

"... he is a demonic agent.."

he attacked you for dream, Abi how you take know

sonmvayina:
Why don't you start with when the word 'soul' was mentioned first.

And God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul.

Living Soul = God's breath + body from the earth...

*. Genesis 2 :7 " KJV:And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul ."

"... and man became an operational soul ...
".. and man became an existing (non stop) soul .

Sometimes the Bible uses the word soul to be whole man ( body, soul and spirit)...

just like the verse above saying "... and man became a living soul" . Woman is also included though not specified.

Awesome, but give your responses to these two questions please. Leave your answers behind but starting them first with A and B, so that you responses are easily identifiable, easy to match or follow

Ok...

A/ Where is the soul located? Is it outside or inside the body? Is it in the leg, in the thigh, in the groin, in the stomach, in the arms, in the head, in the heart etc?

The soul, as I've said earlier, is the body in the spiritual realms. This means it contains head ( eye, mouth, ear, etc ), hands and every other parts that make it a body... the soul permeate the entire physical body!

One of the reasons we often accept that the soul consists of intellect, mind, etc is because that is the means we feel its existence... or its means of communication to the flesh... not that it located in the brain. Brain dead is not = soul dead!

I hope I'm not the only person who has heard someone saying "something was saying inside me..."

The Psalmist below was not speaking to another person:

*. Psalm 16:2 " KJV: O my soul, thou hast said unto the Lord , Thou art my Lord: my goodness extendeth not to thee;"

*. Psalms 146:1 " KJV: Praise ye the Lord. Praise the Lord, O my soul. "

*. Psalm 119:109 "KJV: My soul is continually in my hand : yet do I not forget thy law."

B/ Where equally is the spirit located? Is it outside or inside the body? Is it outside or inside the body? Is it in the leg, in the thigh, in the groin, in the stomach, in the arms, in the head, in the heart etc?

The spirit is located in the soul. The spirit is to the soul what blood is to the flesh.

If someone should ask you " where is the location of blood in your body?"

How would you answer such a person?

achorladey:
43 “When an impure spirit comes out of a person, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. 44 Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order. 45 Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation.”

MaxInDHouse in the house aka Jesus himself .

Na to just dey cite Bible up and down to suit and console your IDEOLOGY had you read that scripture in context you will see it is not talking about MY GENERATION perhaps your GENERATION na you cite the scripture not me and na you dey play the role of Jesus to decide who has an impure spirit or who belongs to a wicked GENERATION. Awon lawlessness people alerter and detector.

What are you doing on this thread? You never answer. It is obvious the poisons taste good and the feeding on dumpsite is an experience you simply cannot let go.

Should I apply that scripture to fit your personality now, the next thing is to tell the whole world that the scripture indeed proves that you are TRUE FOLLOWERS of CHRIST

MaxInDHouse what are you doing on this thread?

"...Na to just dey cite Bible up and down ..."

weather the quotation correspond or max must cite it ...

achorladey:
Abi oooo all na HUMAN GOVERNMENT and we know according to the teachings of that religious group all human government are bad and they suffer their SUBJECTS in one form or the other.

When the man was defending them they merry and revel and when he decides to scrutinize them he belongs straight to SONS OF DISOBEDIENCE

The man has become an "apostate" to them...

NNTR:
The spirit, aka ruach, aka breath of life aka life force, the soul and the body have different faculties.

Very true...

The faculties of the spirit, made up of Fellowship, Conscience, Discernment or Intuition.

The spirit is the life housed within the soul...

*. John 6:63 " KJV: It is the spirit that quickeneth (gives life); the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

The faculties of the soul, is made up of the Mind (i.e. consciousness and sub consciousness) or Intellect, Will or Freewill, and Emotions.

As for the body, it has five faculties of senses, which are faculties, to see with, via the eyes, hear, via the ears, feel, via applicable part of the body, smell, via the nose and lastly to taste, via the mouth.

So true...!

Where is the soul located?
Where equally is the spirit located?

The soul is the means/medium whereby spiritual activities are being communicated to the flesh ( physical realms)

The spirit and the flesh are opposed to each other... so that they cannot interact directly with each other...

*. Galatians 5:17 " KJV:For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other : so that ye cannot do the things that ye would."

Janosky:
Mark 3:4
And he says to them, Is it lawful in the sabbaths to do good, or to do evil? to save a soul, or to kill? And they were silent.

Save a soul on Sabbath or kill a soul on Sabbath.
,lOga spirits dey do Sabbath?
Oga, Mark 3:4 & Matthew 10:28, who kills the soul?
Do you know more than Jesus Christ?

When you are talking about death (kill)... we are to see death as separation

1. physical death = soul and spirit - (separated from) the body... the body is said to be dead!

*. Genesis 35:18 " KJV:And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin."

b). physical death = man separated from the land of the living to the land of the dead is said to be dead...

*. Psalms 52:5 " KJV:God shall likewise destroy thee for ever, he shall take thee away, and pluck thee out of thy dwelling place, and root thee out of the land of the living . Selah."

c). physical death = a human being separated from his loved ones is said to be dead.

*. Luke 15:24 " KJV:For this my son was dead , and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry."

2. spiritual death = a soul separated from the fellowship and love of God is said to be dead spiritually; (such a one can still be going up and down on the earth).

This is the 1st kind of death experienced by Adam ( Genesis 3:24)

"KJV: So he (God) drove out the man ; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

3. eternal death = everlasting separation from Jesus (for He's the Life)! - John 14:6

*. Matthew 25:41 " KJV:Then shall he (Jesus) say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me , ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"


b). everlasting separation from the love of God = eternal death.

*. Matthew 25:46 " KJV: And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

depart = separate

.... the spirit of the man, as used in the above scriptures, is beyond ordinary breathe! he has will or mind :

*. Romans 8:27 " KJV:And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit , because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

When the Bible says man is a living soul... soul is not = flesh...( a lot of explanations but let's go gradually)

verses that shows human has spirit, soul and body. And that the flesh is not the same thing with the soul :

*. 1 Corinthians 2:11"KJV:For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him ? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God."

*. 2 Corinthians 7:1 "KJV:Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God."

*. Galatians 5-17 "KJV:For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh : and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would."

*. Matthew 10:28 " KJV:And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"

*. 1 Thessalonians 5:23 " KJV:And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

*. Isaiah 10:18 " KJV:And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body : and they shall be as when a standard-bearer fainteth."

*. Hebrews 4:12 " KJV:For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit , and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

*. 1 Thessalonians 5:23 " KJV:And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Note the following:
flesh and spirit ; soul and body ; soul and spirit or spirit and soul you will then understand that human is three in one.

The soul is the body in the spiritual realms while the flesh is the body in the physical realms...

Janosky:
John 3:13 none of them went to heaven.
I stand with Jesus.

Janosky:
5 Questions for you:
Hebrews 1:1-3, Where was Jesus resident when Paul wrote the epistle of Hebrews?
Where was Jesus abode when Paul wrote Hebrews chapter 1?

Genesis 6:3 and Romans 8:3, can you connect the dots?
Man is flesh living in the physical realm.

If man is a spirit,why did your Jesus the spirit not know what only the Father knows @ Matthew 24:36?

Matthew 24:36, why is that very knowledge exclusive to only the Father hidden from Mr KNOWMORE56 the spirit?
Why is the same knowledge exclusive to only the Father hidden from every other spirits in the physical realm estimated @ 6 billion worldwide ?.

The Word of God says man is created in the image of God after His likeness - Genesis 1:26-27.

This means (among other things):
1. God has a spirit; human has a spirit
*. 1 Corinthians 2:11 "KJV:For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God."

2. God has senses; human has senses

*. Psalms 115:3 "KJV:But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
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KJV:Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.
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KJV:They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:
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KJV:They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not:
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KJV:They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat."....

My next post will be showing scriptures that confirm man is a spirit

true2god:
You guys are doing well trying to cure these watchtower insanities.

No be small thing oo

"Today, the eight men of the Governing Body functions as a government for JW with unlimited power. They have the power over the doctrines, the assets, and the money, and their words and decisions cannot be questioned. This is a situation that violates a number of Bible principles."

Yet they are the same people accusing other religious bodies of the same thing...

their ordeals is still warming up...it has not started!

This is the kind of question I like... making people to run helter skelter...

The people who have been trying to give answers have not considered the whole statement in the book of Genesis - created in God's image after His likeness (similitude)....

*. Genesis 1:26 "KJV: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness : and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
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KJV: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him ; male and female created he them."

The question is "are human spirits... consider Jesus Christ also who is said to be the express image of the Father?"

achorladey:
Why did the Father love or have affection for christendom and not Jehovah’s witnesses since Jesus Christ is talking to christendom and not to Jehovah’s witnesses in John 16:27?

Awon all scriptures is inspired of God people whom Jesus is not talking to in John 16:27

He'll not understand...

Janosky:
Oga , please assimilate this:
"OBEY THE FIRST COMMANDMENT",
LOVE JEHOVAH' WITH YOUR WHOLE HEART...". Mark 12:30, Jesus Christ is talking to you.

Sons of disobedience everywhere pretending to be Christian

*. John 12:26 "KJV:If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour."

Serve Jesus and you'll be alright...

achorladey:
Last na regimented kind of thinking legislating how to love the FATHER and JESUS . and the regimented idiot and deception peddler bows to the desires of those who regiment his thinking.

Show me where the Bible says

We must attach neither too much nor too little importance to our love for Jesus.

When we tell una anything you do in Jesus name is to the glory of God the FATHER na so so TUEH TUEH TUEH. I no dey surprised when you call them DOGHEADS, I expect nothing less

Abeg Omicron virus still dey reduce your spits or use handkerchiefs

".. When we tell una anything you do in Jesus name is to the glory of God the FATHER na so so TUEH TUEH TUEH. I no dey surprised when you call them DOGHEADS,..."

Last last you submit to the fact that your religious organisation badmouth others about the same thing your very religious organization you belong does

Oh, how I wish they can assimilate these!

HardMirror:
Just so you know and perhaps you can think...

1. No single evidence for creationism
2. There are thousands of evidence that supports evolution.
3. Creationism teaches that life came from nothing, yet creationists keep asking where life started with evolution?

There is absolutely no reason to believe a god created life and no evidence for it.

if you have evidence or superior arguement that supports creationism over evolution tell us, cause no one in the world has so far presented any evidence that life was created
Happy Sunday

Maybe we should 1st know (your understanding of) what is:
1. Evidence
2. Creation and
3. Evolution

Homeboiy:
Op you dey talk nonsense

You know how much we paid to learn the work

With drinks wey follow am

I don unclip screen of tab 3 , then clip am back

Collect 15k.

No be charity organization we de run

You don even ask how many times we pay people back

I change screen for person on Monday, on Tuesday afternoon e show white

I had to buy another screen of 14k for the person

Because he no go wan hear story

No justification,it's wrong to charge people (high price) for a minor fault

matrix199:
Well, the engineer runs a business venture, not an NGO. The same man might be charging his clients, customers, or patients exorbitant fees. Cycle of life!

No justification - it's wrong to charge people (high price) for a minor fault