Oephius, the Enugu State PDP governor to be (i.e Mr Peter Ndubisi) is from where? I mean, his zone/ constituency

Janosky:
Who is the Moderator of Religion Section of Nairaland?
Why would the Moderator sit back and watch shady, fraudulent, dubious individuals on this forum REMOVE and DUBIOUSLY USE Janosky moniker or other monikers to post FALSE claims?

The Moderator,Mr OAM4J,or whatever moniker you bear on this forum, do you approve of your moniker (or Janosky moniker in screenshot )
to being used by someone else,Mr Courz to post their FALSE claims on this forum?
Since 11th June,@11:31pm, and thereafter,Mr Courz have been carrying out his fraudulent activities on other moniker's post.


I demand an explanation for your tacit approval or permissiveness of the shenanigans of Mr Courz moniker on this forum.

In addition,I demand an explanation why evidences of proven medical research are REMOVED by the Moderator of Religion Section?
Why is the Moderator of Nairaland against proven screenshot evidences of medical research ?

Competent and very professional medical personnel respect JWs beliefs (proven in the screenshot),Mr Moderator, why do you disrespect JW beliefs by REMOVING my posts with proven evidences?
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" Who is the Moderator of Religion Section of Nairaland?

Janosky don dey ask for moderator to come and help im

anthonyuncle:
nice one!

very very educative.

thanks man.

Nigerian court are more interested in your money, so if you have the money, nobody will be considering this thing. Oga check very well, you'll see that what are written in papers ( the rules) are completely different from what is being practice....

"and my people love to have it so"

*. Jeremiah 5:31 " KJV:The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?"

OLAADEGBU:
It Is Now My Turn. Period!

No be small thing oo.

AntiChristian:
Number 1 God rested from work!
Genesis 2:2
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.

Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them, but on the seventh day He rested. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.

Note: Resting is a function of fatigue/tiredness! And i think God is above such!

Number 2- God Regrets making Man
Gen 6:6
And the LORD regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

1 Samuel 15:11
" I regret that I have made Saul king, for he has turned away from following Me and has not carried out My instructions." And Samuel was distressed and cried out to the LORD all that night.

Note: Regretting is a human action caused by him not knowing the future. God knows all things so why would He regret!

Number 3- God Repents
Exodus 32:14
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

VS
Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

God repents but God can not repent! What a contradiction!

Other Poor descriptions of God in the Bible

1. Then the Lord awoke as from sleep, like a mighty warrior overcome by wine. Psalm 78:65
2. Wake up, O Lord! Why are You sleeping? Arise! Do not reject us forever. Psalm 44:23
3. Like one waking from a dream, so You, O Lord, awaken and despise their form. Psalm 73:20
4. The LORD goes forth like a mighty one; He stirs up His zeal like a warrior. He shouts; yes, He roars in triumph over His enemies: Isaiah 42:13
5. Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD. Wake up as in days past, as in generations of old. Was it not You who cut Rahab to pieces, who pierced through the dragon? Isaiah 51:9

All these are unbefitting to be ascribed to God as He suffers no fatigue, does not sleep, eat or drink.

You can't understand many things in the Bible....
but we'll try to put it straight ( not for you probably)

It says God finished what He intended to do... No other words for the action that follows work done than the word rest...

If rest is not the right word to be used after work is finished, then you can do well to tell us the right word to be used...

You have to understand that all the things said about God is according to human understanding...

For example, I believe your religion also agree that God created all things, right.

When you talk about create/produce/made human mind will go to workshop/factory/company... spanner, screw driver, etcetera..

When we talk about God producing any thing, we don't think about workshop/factory/company... spanner, screw driver, etcetera..

God is truly " the greater than what people say". That is what we call Him!


This kind of your mind that when we say God has a son, then you start to feel like He must also have a wife, have intercourse, it's wrong, ok.

Emusan:


Me: Jesus is God
JWs: No! But a god

Me: Really?
JWs: Yes! because there's only one true God

Me: Ok, so is Jesus a true god or a false god?
JWs: mute!

Me: Hey Jman, did you hear what I said?
JWs: mute button press on

advocatejare:

Have you thought about this?

He won't like this submission...

Janosky:

Sifia pains and tantrums.
SERVE is not Worship, contrary to the false claim of your 3 deities devotees comrade.
Continue WAILING.

Your KNOWMORE56 friend FALSE claim: "SERVE means WORSHIP @ John 12:26.
Una dey the same boat- Any where belle face.

*. Matthew 4:10 "KJV:Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve ."

"him (God) only shalt thou serve ."
or
"him only shalt thou minister to"

*. John 12:26 "KJV:If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man SERVE ME, him will my Father honour "
let's analyse the two statements below:

"him only shalt thou SERVE ."

if any man SERVE ME,...

What are your explanations of these statements...

Janosky:

John 14:1, John4:23-24, John 20:17, Jesus Christ says to KNOWMORE56, Continue LYING.

Point out the attributes of the only true God that are missing out in Jesus!

achorladey:


Here is KNOWMORE56 words again

Read read and read then apply comprehension and intelligence.

He's gone to his usual comfort zone..

AntiChristian:


What does begotten mean in your dictionary?

Begotten in his watch tower dictionary means "privilege" " only begotten" means special privilege!

Janosky:

That expression "Only begotten" refers to special privilege of Favor given to only Isaac among all Abraham's offspring.
Jesus Christ is given the special, unique favor of sitting at God's right hand in heaven and sit on his Father's throne, Revelation 3:21 & Acts 2:32-36.

Janosky:


You are so fraught with dishonesty.
Jesus Christ is a god.
Your fellow 3 deities devotees Trinitarians, biblehub agreed.

Watch tower say "one mighty God (Jesus) is with another almighty God [the Father)..."

Shey you are ok with that?

Janosky:

John 7:16, Jesus Christ is his Father's Messenger.
When you receive the Messenger you have seen his God who sent him.

Shebi John 5:37 dey your Bible?

But if you worship the messager you are not worshipping his God who sent him kwo?

John 12:26 "KJV:If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour."

achorladey:

Wahala be like:

MaxInDHouse first comment:

MaxInDHouse second comment

Why your intelligence be like this.
We know the Bible translations produced by your religious leaders are not based on preconceived thoughts. The reason you go about telling us that Matthew 24:45-47 is about your religious leaders

MaxInDHouse:


Jesus said there's just one only true God {Mark 12:29} and that's the person who sent him to us {John 17:3} Stephen saw only two persons {Act 7:56} and those are the only two persons David saw in vision! Psalms 110:1
So i don't know anything called TRINITY in my own copy of the Bible!

Are you saying the below is not in your own copy of the Bible? Check again:

The Word is life...
The Spirit is life...
The Word is the Spirit...
The Spirit is God....
God is the Spirit...:

*. John 1: 4 " KJV:In him (the Word) was LIFE ; and the life was the light of men."

*. John 6:63 "KJV:It is the spirit that quickeneth (gives life); the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit , and they are life
."

*. Acts 17:25 "KJV:Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he (God) giveth to all LIFE, and breath, and all things;"

*. John 4: 24 " KJV: God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

*. 2 Corinthians 3: 6 " KJV:Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth LIFE ."

*. Colossians 3:4 " KJV:When Christ, who is our LIFE, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory."

*. 1 John 1:2 " KJV: (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal LIFE, which was with the Father , and was manifested unto uswink"

*. 1 John 5:20 " KJV:And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal LIFE

Janosky:

Everyone is begotten by God through Creation.
God is the Father to whom everyone owes the name they bear, Ephesians 3:14-15.
Trinitarians confused the meaning of begotten by falsely claiming "Jesus is not created but generated"
Whereas, "Generated is synonymous with "Created"
How ever, "Only begotten" is applied to Isaac &
Jesus Christ @ John 3:16 & Hebrew 11:17-19.
That expression "Only begotten" refers to special privilege of Favor given to only Isaac among all Abraham's offspring.
Jesus Christ is given the special, unique favor of sitting at God's right hand in heaven and sit on his Father's throne, Revelation 3:21 & Acts 2:32-36.


Oga, no be so.
God begotted man by Creation not reproduction.
Psalm 90:2," God born the mountains".
God was never pregnant.Shey you understand?

"...That expression "Only begotten" refers to special privilege of Favor..."

Hmmm, watch tower don come and again oo!

So begotten no longer mean created/ generated ba ?

Janosky:

Jesus is a Creature before his ONLY begotten status.
Only a Creature can be "only begotten"

True!...
In as much as you know that "only begotten"
means "only created/made/produced"
in other words "no other created son of God" when we're talking about redemption!

In regards to creation, Jesus is the ONLY Creator while human beings are created (begotten) by Him...
But in regards to redemption, Jesus is the only begotten son...

This Half baked knowledge na wa oooo!
Genesis 1:27 & Matthew 19:4-5 dey your Bible?
Mankind is begotten by the Creator,Yahweh.

We're talking about ONLY BEGOTTEN not just begotten ;

Every begotten son is a Creature given Preeminence & Favor not given to other Creatures.

I said We're talking about ONLY BEGOTTEN not just begotten. .

ONLY begotten can not exist without begotten.

For example, Isaac and Jesus Christ.

Job 2:1,Angels are sons of God in heaven.
The Adoption of righteous humans as sons of God and dwell in heaven as co-rulers with Christ.

Once you agree that Adoption is the opposite of begotten, the problem is solved!

*. Romans 8:23 "KJV:And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the ADOPTION , to wit, the redemption of our body ."

*. Galatians 4:5 "KJV: To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the ADOPTION of sons ,"

Jesus Christ says himself no be the Creator, Matthew 19:4-5 na correct science?
Hebrew 1:2 na rocket science?
Colossians 1:15-16 na rocket science?

Ok nauw, the writer of John 1:3 have told us lies nauw...

*. John 1:3 " KJV: [b] ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Oga say Jesus their 2nd Person na Almighty God.
Trinity shege [/b]


Romans 11:35-36,Col 1:15God made Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is only begotten just as Isaac is only begotten.
Isaac and Jesus Christ are Creatures.
You understand?

You are definitely confused.
Trinity na scam.

Yes, according to Watch tower, one mighty God (Jesus) and another almighty God [the Father)...

*. Isaiah 9 6 "KJV:For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God , The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

*. Titus 2:13 "KJV:Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ ; "

*. Genesis 17:1 " KJV:And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God ; walk before me, and be thou perfect."

*. John 1: 1 "KJV:In the beginning was the Word, and the Wordwas with God , and the Word was God. "

AntiChristian:


The first definition of begotten is siring i.e. (especially of a man) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.
"they hoped that the King might beget an heir by his new queen".

Reproduction means to produce again, that's why I used the word produced - to bring something into existence...

If you are using the second meaning of "cause; bring about"

They're the same

then Adam, Eve and even all humans were begotten.

Yes, you are correct...
Human beings lost the position through Adamic sin...
That's why they're some people now called "children of the devil" "children of perdition or children of wrath"

*. 1 John 3:10 "KJV:In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."

*. John 8:44 " KJV: ,Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

*. Ephesians 2:3 " KJV:Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the CHILDREN OF WRATH, even as others ."

So Jesus is never the only begotten son anywhere!

It's either no one is begotten or everyone is begotten!

Mind you, i think your translators are now wise thrashing the word " begotten" away from the more recent Bibles translations.

To beget is an animalistic character.
Just like sons of God having sex with daughters of men in Genesis 6:1-4 to beget giants!

Please take note of the following:

1. God owns us by creation, this is for all people...

2. God owns us by redemption, this is for believers in Christ only...


In regards to creation, Jesus is the ONLY Creator while human beings are created (begotten) by Him...

But in regards to redemption, Jesus is the only begotten son...

Emusan:


They believe Jesus is "A GOD", you should have asked him if Jesus is A TRUE GOD or A FALSE GOD?

Yes, "one mighty God and another almighty God"...

*. Isaiah 9 6 "KJV:For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God , The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

*. Titus 2:13 "KJV:Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; "

The mighty God
the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; "
This is Jesus!

Emusan:


You didn't address his point.

The Angels worship Him!
And what all this also say about your NWT in Colossians 1:16-18?
Just as your organization dubiously inserted OTHER @Col 1:16-18

That doesn't mean THEY WILL NOT SERVE JESUS which you supported by Matt 4:10

It's not! because his not the translator

Rather say it can also means MINISTER.

Provide the screenshot of that verse from Biblehub as you always do, let's see if it means SERVE or not

When it's evident that you're the one lying.

So Russell and his pagan team disobeyed Jesus Christ yet they are still part of the 144,000

"You didn't address his point"

He's looking for a way to get to his usual comfort zone...

AntiChristian:


The first definition of begotten is siring i.e. (especially of a man) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.
"they hoped that the King might beget an heir by his new queen".

If you are using the second meaning of "cause; bring about" then Adam, Eve and even all humans were begotten.
So Jesus is never the only begotten son anywhere!

1. God owns us by creation, this is for all people...

2. God owns us by redemption, this is for believers in Christ only...


In regards to creation, Jesus is the ONLY Creator while human beings are created (begotten) by Him...

But in regards to redemption, Jesus is the only begotten son...

It's either no one is begotten or everyone is begotten!

Mind you, i think your translators are now wise thrashing the word " begotten" away from the more recent Bibles translations.

To beget is an animalistic character.

Just like sons of God having sex with daughters of men in Genesis 6:1-4 to beget giants!

This is why I included children of the devil in the post. It is to give you clue how the word father is used in the Bible...

Jesus said they are of their father, the devil. This doesn't mean that the devil impregnated their mothers. They were doing his biddings:

*. 1 John 3:10 "KJV:In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil : whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."

*. John 8:42 " KJV:Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
44
KJV: [b]Ye are of your father the devil,[/b,] and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

AntiChristian:


He is the uncreated Creator who is one (indivisible), who begets not nor is He begotten and who has none comparable or coequal to Him.
(The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks)

Ok, Jesus Christ is the uncreated Creator who is one indivisible with the Father...
although He has begotten us to Himself through redemption.

When your Bible says Honor your father and mother (Exo 20:12, Ephesians 6:2, etc; the "father" referred to was definitely not God. So "Father" therefore has more than one meaning in the Bible.

God is included in that commandment of honour your father...

*. Malachi 1:6 " KJV:A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour ? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the Lord of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?"

From the above, God is simply demanding the application of that comment to Himself!

Elohim can be used for Angel, Satan, Idols, humans,

Elohim as God aka Yahweh
Take note that in Gen 1:1 In the Beginning God (Elohim) created the heaven and earth.

Used as gods
Now I know that the LORD (Yahweh) is greater than all other gods (Elohim), for he did this to those who had treated Israel arrogantly.” Exo 18:11

“Whoever sacrifices to any god (Elohim) other than the LORD (Yahweh) must be destroyed. Exo 22:20

As an Angel (Cos i don't think Jacob can fight God.)
“Your name will no longer be Jacob,” the man told him. “From now on you will be called Israel, because you have fought with God and with men and have won.” Gen 32:28

Humans are God (Elohim)
Then the LORD (Yahweh) said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God (Elohim) to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. Exo 7:1

“I said, ‘You are “gods" (Elohim); you are all sons of the Most High.’ Psalm 82:6

Your religion books still have English version....
My religion book call God my father and Jesus is the everlasting Father:

*. Isaiah 9:6 'KJV:For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father , The Prince of Peace."

This can be true.

My religion does not agree at all.

Ok, God did not create Himself out of nothing?

We don't use father for our God! Father is father! Mother is Mother! God is different entirely!

my God is my Father!...

Janosky:

Psalm 45:6-7 is the original copy of Hebrew 1:8.
Psalm 45:6 ,Masoretic Text "the throne given of God"
Psalms 45:6, Catholic Church New Jerusalem Bible/The Message Bible, the Catholic Pope knows that your quote of Trinitarian Hebrew 1:8 is a FRAUD.

Bring out "the original copy of " Luke 1:74 and Matthew 4:10 which I used below, then will Watch tower lies be cleared from your eyes
You'll quickly discover that quotations are not verbatim

Na your Trinity mentors /3 deities slaves dubiously add "Worshippers" @ 1 Peter 3:22.

Matthew 20:28 Jesus SERVE others.
Oga, your quote of John 12:26 is deceptive.
The Word "SERVE" is "minister" @ John 12:26 & Matthew 20:28.
I have no problem with you LYING in your house.
But, STOP LYING repeatedly to the public.

Oga,Why do you love to prove your disobedience to Jesus Christ instructions @ Mark 12:29-30 & Matthew 4:10?
"Worship only his Father and God."
.

" The Word "SERVE" is "minister" "

Let's see if you are correct as we check other verses where the word SERVE is used:

*. Matthew 4:10 "KJV:Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve ."

"him (God) only shalt thou serve ."
or
"him only shalt thou minister to ."



*. John 12:26 "KJV:If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man SERVE ME, him will my Father honour "
let's analyse the two statements below:

"him only shalt thou SERVE ."

if any man SERVE ME,...

What are your explanations of these statements...

My own explanations:
Since I have ONLY one Being to serve...
and the Lord Jesus Christ said if I serve Him the Father will bless me....
Definitely He is one of the Persons in the One God!

*. Matthew 6:24 " KJV:No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon ."

Ye cannot SERVE God and mammon
or
Ye cannot MINISTER TO God and mammon

*. Luke 1:74 " KJV:That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might SERVE him without fear ,"

"might SERVE him without fear"
or
"might MINISTER TO him without fear[/b] "

MaxInDHouse:


Ordinarily people can't IDENTIFY those whom the father is angry with until judgement day! Matthew 7:21-23
But Jesus has given us a clue "By their FRUITS you will know them" {Matthew 7:16-18} so if you're sure you know the FRUIT expected from faithful servants of God continue!

"But Jesus has given us a clue"

I'm not sure of what you mean by this statement...

So when Jesus Christ said the Father will honour those who serve Him (Jesus), it's not a clue on how the judgement is going to be?

*. John 12:26 "KJV: If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man SERVE ME, HIM WILL MY FATHER HONOUR ."

Emusan:


They believe Jesus is "A GOD", you should have asked him if Jesus is a TRUE GOD or A FALSE GOD?

he will then type " worship your God, let's worship our own God"

Janosky:

Psalm 45:6-7 is the original copy of Hebrew 1:8.
Psalm 45:6 ,Masoretic Text "the throne given of God"
Psalms 45:6, Catholic Church New Jerusalem Bible/The Message Bible, the Catholic Pope knows that your quote of Trinitarian Hebrew 1:8 is a FRAUD.


Na your Trinity mentors /3 deities slaves dubiously add "Worshippers" @ 1 Peter 3:22.

Matthew 20:28 Jesus SERVE others.
Oga, your quote of John 12:26 is deceptive.
The Word "SERVE" is "minister" @ John 12:26 & Matthew 20:28.
I have no problem with you LYING in your house.
But, STOP LYING repeatedly to the public.

Oga,Why do you love to prove your disobedience to Jesus Christ instructions @ Mark 12:29-30 & Matthew 4:10?
"Worship only his Father and God."
.

The Word is God...
The Word is the Spirit...
The Spirit is God....
Jesus is the Spirit...

*. 1 Corinthians 15:45 "
KJV:And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam Jesus Christ) was made a quickening Spirit ."

John 14:23 " KJV:Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode with him.

Note the words " we" and "our'. An angel doesn't reside in human! Ok?


*. John 1: 4 " KJV:In him (the Word) was LIFE ; and the life was the light of men."

*. John 6:63 "KJV:It is the spirit that quickeneth (gives life); the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are Spirit , and they are life."

*. Acts 17:25 "KJV:Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he (God) giveth to all LIFE, and breath, and all things;"

*. John 4: 24 " KJV: God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

*. 2 Corinthians 3: 6 " KJV:Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth LIFE ."

*. Colossians 3:4 " KJV:When Christ, who is our LIFE, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory."

*. 1 John 1:2 " KJV: (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal LIFE, which was with the Father and was manifested unto us"

*. 1 John 5:20 " KJV:And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal LIFE "

MaxInDHouse:


And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:3 Holy Bible

The Holy Bible says there's just one only true God who sent Jesus! Mark 12:29

I've not seen any man said there are more than one true God...

Trinity is three Persons in one God...
The Word is life...
The Spirit is life...
The Word is the Spirit...
The Spirit is God....
God is the Spirit....

These we see from the Word bellow:

*. John 1: 4 " KJV:In him (the Word) was LIFE ; and the life was the light of men."

*. John 6:63 "KJV:It is the spirit that quickeneth (gives life); the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit , and they are life."

*. Acts 17:25 "KJV:Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he (God) giveth to all LIFE, and breath, and all things;"

*. John 4: 24 " KJV: God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

*. 2 Corinthians 3: 6 " KJV:Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth LIFE ."

*. Colossians 3:4 " KJV:When Christ, who is our LIFE, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory."

*. 1 John 1:2 " KJV: (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal LIFE, which was with the Father , and was manifested unto us"

*. 1 John 5:20 " KJV:And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal LIFE "
This is the true God, and eternal LIFE

MaxInDHouse:


Instead of beating about the bush what you need is try to be consistent in your research!

Trying to create an argument simply because i told you the truth about your God is childishness.

I just told the OP that it's wrong to WORSHIP Jesus, we are asked to LISTEN to him not WORSHIP {Matthew 17:5} Jesus himself declared that the only true God is his father! John 17:3

So whether Jesus is angel or not the fact remains that he is not a human from the beginning neither was he the Almighty who sent himself!

"I just told the OP that it's wrong to WORSHIP Jesus, we are asked to LISTEN to him not WORSHIP {Matthew 17:5} Jesus himself declared that the only true God is his father! John 17:3"

He ( the Father) said we should listen to the Son and we should also worship Him:

*. Hebrews 1:6 " KJV:And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God WORSHIP him ."

*. 1 Peter 3:22 "KJV: (Jesus Christ) Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him. "
or
"angels and authorities and powers being made WORSHIPERS unto him."

JESUS Himself said we should worship/serve Him. That the Father will bless us for worshipping Him ( Jesus)

*. John 12:26 "KJV: If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man SERVE ME, him will my Father honour ."

the Father is not angry with us who are worshipping Jesus?

AntiChristian:


"So where does the dubious " begotten son..."

This is another wide topic of discussion which I'll like to separate from this post

When the Bible says Jesus is the ONLY begotten (produced/created) Son;

it means the rest of human are not begotten (created/produced)...

The word opposite of begotten son is adopted son...

This should give us a clear understanding of the area this BEGOTTEN SON is going - it's in regards to the salvation plans for humanity; all other saved human beings are ADOPTED SONS:

Jesus is the only begotten son:

*. John 3:14 "KJV:And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, , the glory as of the ONLY BEGOTTEN of the Father ,) full of grace and truth."

16 "KJV:For God so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON , that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

18 "KJV: No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son , which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

*. Hebrews 11:17 "KJV:By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, "

ONLY means NO OTHER one!

other human beings ( especially the saved from sin through Jesus) are adopted sons:

*. Romans 8:15 "KJV:For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of ADOPTION, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

*. Romans 8:23 "KJV:And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the ADOPTION , to wit, the redemption of our body ."

*. Romans 9:4 "KJV:Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the ADOPTION , and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;"

". Galatians 4:5 "KJV: To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the ADOPTION of sons "

*. Ephesians 1:5 "KJV: Having predestinated us unto the ADOPTION of children by Jesus Christ to himself , according to the good pleasure of his will,"

the unsaved are the children of the Devil:

*. 1 John 3:10 "KJV:In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil : whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."

So while we may agree that Jesus as human being is produced/made/created....

*. John 1:14 " KJV: And the Word was MADE flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

"And the Word was MADE flesh,...
or
"and the Word was PRODUCED flesh,..."
or
"and the Word was CREATED flesh,..."

Surely, Jesus as God Almighty/the eternal WORD created Himself!

In other words,
In regards to creation, Jesus is the ONLY Creator while human beings are created by Him...

*. Genesis 1:27 "KJV: So GOD CREATED MAN in his own image, in the image of GOD CREATED he HIM ; MALE and FEMALE created he them ."

*. John 1:3 "KJV: All things were MADE by him (Jesus); and without him was not any thing made that was Made.

[b] When we talk about redemption of human beings from Satan and sin, Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON....
The rest of human beings ( especially the saved from sin through Jesus Christ) are adopted (not created)!

Any confusion or confession?

AntiChristian:


Where did Jesus call himself God without ambiguity?

I think I have to know your own definition and explanation of what/who is God.
Possibly it may have different meaning in your religion.

Your religion definition and explanation of father is:
"When you talk about father, then we should have a mother and children.
Then we known copulation and fertilisation."

But the definition and explanation of father (in my religion) goes beyond that;

" Father of all means owner of all:
*. Ephesians 4:6 " KJV: ONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Father of all means creator of all:
*. Malachi 2:10 "KJV: HAVE WE NOT ALL ONE FATHER? HATH NOT ONE GOD CREATED US? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?"

Your Bible was translated to English. It wasn't English!

Yes, from Hebrew and Greek to English language and it maintains it meaning. For example, Hebrew: אלהים
Transliteration: 'ĕlôhîym
Pronunciation: el-o-heem'
Translated 2,346 times to mean God in the King James Version of the Bible...

Now you can do your research on it to know if there is anything wrong with the transliteration and the translation...

So where does the dubious " begotten son" come from if father was metaphorical?

God brings things to be ( cause things to exist) without things, in other words: bringing something out of nothing.

Bring things to be = father. Since your religion also agree that God created Himself out of nothing,
I do not see the need for wife before He can father a child....

He has always brought to be without resources, so to say...

But it is important for us to know that He is the resources by Himself....

in the same way, He's the Husband (the Creator) and the Wife (the Resources) at the same time! The human His children,

is that ok, or you are still having difficulties?

"So where does the dubious " begotten son..."

This is another wide topic of discussion which I'll like to separate from this post