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Barristter07:
And Jesus is called their " Brother " .

You are mistaken . All the brothers are sons . And no son of God is like Jehovah.

I think you meant to say these verses are mistakes. See them again:


The word opposite of begotten son is adopted son .

This should give us a clear understanding of the area this BEGOTTEN SON is going - it's in regards to the salvation plans for humanity; all other saved human beings are ADOPTED SONS :

Jesus is the only begotten son :

*. John 3 16 "KJV:For God so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON , that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

ONLY means NO OTHER one!
others are adopted sons :

*. Romans 8:15 "KJV:For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of ADOPTION, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

*. Romans 8:23 "KJV:And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the ADOPTION , to wit, the redemption of our body ."

*. Romans 9:4 "KJV:Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the ADOPTION , and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;"

". Galatians 4:5 "KJV:To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the ADOPTION of sons . "

*. Ephesians 1:5 "KJV: Having predestinated us unto the ADOPTION of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,"

Barristter07:
Show me a single scripture that said Jesus have authority and rulership before he became human ?

*. John 1:1 " KJV:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2
KJV:The same was in the beginning with God.
3
KJV: All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made .

*. Genesis 1:1 "KJV:In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2
KJV:And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3
KJV: And God said, Let there be light: and there was light ."

When someone said something and that thing take effect immediately, that is an example of authority!

He said let there be light and there was light

*. Colossians 1:16 "KJV:For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers : all things were created by him, and for him:"

He who created thrones, dominions, principalities and powers can not be said He lacks authority and rulerships.

He's the Lord of hosts - Lord of hosts means the ruler of the armies in Heaven...

Stop arguing out of silence , Jesus does not possess authority until he became human - Dan 7;13,14

These things above happened before He came as human being.

Owner does not receive things from someone else.

You are now saying Jesus is telling lies... take it easy o o...no matter how much you hate Him, to Him every knee must bow...

*. John 16:14 "KJV:He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of MINE , and shall shew it unto you.
15
KJV: All things that the Father hath are MINE : therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

*. John 17:10 "KJV: And ALL MINE ARE THINE, and THINE ARE MINE ; and I am glorified in them."

Romans 8:28,29 was saying those pattern after the image of Christ are all righteous. Did Adam produce holy , blameless humans ? Answer that and see if your theory would stand in the face of which image man was created

Adam created in the image of God was holy, righteous and blameless until the fall... You can read Romans 8: 1 to the end for better understanding

*. Romans 8:15 "KJV:For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of ADOPTION, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

*. Romans 8:23 "KJV:And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the ADOPTION , to wit, the redemption of our body ."

Nonexisting1:
Someone told me about that but I waved it like it was nothing. After about three more people told me about it, I decided to go check it out in facebook. Lo and behold, this guy was more like another me. Saying that he looked exactly like me is an understatement. The weekend after that, I went to the village and asked my father if he ever dated an Anambra woman before and he swore that he never did. He and my mother were shocked to their bones when I opened my facebook app and showed them the boy's pictures. My mother has now started having this theory in her head that I might have had a twin brother and that nurses stole and sold him to someone in Anambra state. This is the weirdest thing to have happened to me this year.

This could also be the situation surrounding the story that people saw the guy who died in their village at market....

Yes. One day I went to visit my friend and the sister told him that she over heard me and their neighbours discussing their family matters the previous night... o boy, I no go that area on the said night o

I denied tire she continued to say she knows wetin she dey talk...

The said neighbours said I no come their area yesterday, she no gree

Can you ,barristter07, point out any quality of the true God that is missing in Jesus...

https://www.nairaland.com/6404492/characteristics-true-god

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted said it all.
Thanks!

John 16:14 "KJV:He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of MINE , and shall shew it unto you.
15
KJV: All things that the Father hath are MINE : therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

Jesus said ALL ( not some) are mine!

He said that the Holy Spirit shall RECEIVE...

Janosky:
Does KNOWMORE56 understand Proverbs 8:30 ( in Screenshots)?
Shebi Proverbs 8:22,30 is missing in your Bible?

Bros, you have proven you're wedded to FALSEHOOD & Delusion.
Cherry picker, your own Bible ends at Verse 27

[/b]

Your answer means the Father was working and Jesus was watching

Janosky:
...."HE" references God the Father & CREATOR OF the person personified as "Wisdom."
Proverbs 8:22 &1 Corinthians 1:24, who is "Wisdom"? ....

*. Proverbs 8:27 "KJV: When He (the Father) prepared the heavens, I (Jesus) was there:

When He (the Father) prepared the heavens, I (Jesus) was there:

Speaklove:
Yes you are somehow correct on your first question.
Many of those who walk in this graces battle with immorality because the devil won't fight you if you have nothing to offer.

Immorality weakens the manifestation of the Spirit in someone's life, and might lead to become lukewarm or losing the grace at the end.

Coming to your second question :
The fact that you experience these things doesn't mean you are in good terms with God.
God honors the Labours of men whether they are good people or bad.
That's why there are many anointed, and very powerful men of God today whose life are not in conformity with the ways of God.

There are many who are highly gifted with spiritual graces but the works of their hands are evil, but still they manifest power in an overwhelming degree - they even grow in the anointing.
As it is written
Matthew 7:22-23
[22]Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
[23]And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

But to make a balance,
The manifestations of these things are somehow signifying that a person has done business with the SECRET PLACE and God is rewarding them in the open.

Some people didn't practice the presence of God, they are sinners, but they receive this things as impartion from anointed men of God.

It's important for one to have something with which (or by which) one would reveal the reality of God to one's generation.
Men are looking for evidence of the reality of God, and not talk.

So these are some of the evidences that we indeed serve a living God, and our God is the I AM THAT I AM.
For he himself said

Isaiah 43:10-12
[10]“You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me.
[11]I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior.
[12]I have declared and saved, I have proclaimed, And there was no foreign god among you; Therefore you are My witnesses,” Says the Lord, “that I am God.


WE NEED POWER
BECAUSE UNLESS SOME PEOPLE SEE THE POWER OF OUR GOD MANIFEST THROUGH US THEY WILL NEVER BELIEVE IN HIM
SO WE NEED POWER BECAUSE

WE ARE HIS WITNESSES THAT HE IS GOD

Ok, thanks for your reply.

Another question:
What is the way out for people gifted yet fornicating?

Barristter07:
You are mistaken . At highlighted. KJV uses " no man" cos of the embarssment it might bring for people like you. This is the true meaning of the word


Strong's Concordance
oudeis and outheis, oudemia, ouden and outhen: no one, none
Original Word: οὐδείς, οὐδεμία, οὐδέν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: oudeis and outheis, oudemia, ouden and outhen
Phonetic Spelling: (oo-dice')
Definition: no one, none
Usage: no one, none, nothing.

https://biblehub.com/greek/3762.htm


It means NO ONE , nothing like human being exist in the word. It simply means NOBODY

Once again, Do you accept Revelation 5:3 means Jesus is also not among those in heaven?

You guys can make people laugh...
Nobody in English often refers to human being. You should have used NOTHING instead because Jesus is called the LOIN OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH in that place

This NOBODY is outside the Father, SON and Holy Spirit...
You have agreed with the KJV...

Let's see what happens there:

*. Revelations 5 :3 " KJV:And no man in heaven , nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
4
KJV:And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
5
KJV:And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, THE LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. "

Now, using the same logic:
every CREATURE in verse 13 of revelations 5 should have included Jesus since you claim He is created

Greek: κτίσμα
Transliteration: ktisma
Pronunciation: ktis'-mah
Definition: From G2936; an original formation (concretely) that is product (created thing): - creature.
KJV Usage: creature (4x).
Occurs: 4
In verses: 4

Why is Jesus not included?

Barristter07:
You are complicating things for yourself. Begotten simply means produced. He was only begotten because he is the one The Father himself directly create, all other sons came through Jesus.

Jesus is still called " Son of God "

None among the sons of God is like Jehovah. Let it sink

There's no complications on my side... my post is in response to your claim that Jesus is a son ; meaning He's one among many, No. He's the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD .

The word opposite of begotten son is adopted son.

This should give us a clear understanding of the area this BEGOTTEN SON is going - it's in regards to the salvation plans for humanity; all other saved human beings are ADOPTED SONS:

Jesus is the only begotten son

*. John 3 16 "KJV:For God so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

ONLY means NO OTHER one!
others are adopted sons

*. Romans 8:15 "KJV:For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of ADOPTION, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

*. Romans 8:23 "KJV:And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the ADOPTION, to wit, the redemption of our body ."

*. Romans 9:4 "KJV:Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the ADOPTION, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;"

". Galatians 4:5 "KJV:To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons . "

*. Ephesians 1:5 "KJV: Having predestinated us unto the ADOPTION of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,"

Once again, separate events from events... Jesus being the only begotten son is about when He decided to get many of us into His Kingdom!

Do you understand !

*. Hebrews 2:10 "KJV: For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, IN BRINGING MANY SONS UNTO Glory , to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings."

Barristter07:
Nobody dispute all this, The Father allowed Jesus access to his spirit. Yes even called spirit of Christ.

Good! The very reason Jesus is God...

But am talking about ownership.

Jesus clearly said He is the owner

John 16:15 "KJV: All things that the Father hath are mine : therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Acts 2:33
Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear.

The Father owns it. And whatever Jesus do, he rely on this power of the Father. As seen at Act 2:33 The Father gave Jesus holy spirit.

You are looking at Him from His other offices:
https://www.nairaland.com/6115965/which-following-1-9-jesus

[q]
I challenge you to show me a single place where Jesus gave the Father holy spirit ? [/quote]Your submission is faulty... Jesus as God is not given anything at all.
As human, He depends on His God...
I don't know when you will separate His humanity from HIS divinity.

John 16 is talking about the Holy Spirit, Whom Jesus clearly said He is the Owner.

Your thinking is flawed. Since the image is the same, it means everybody on Earth is chosen and declared righteous

your confusion is on your inability to separate events. Everybody on earth was perfect before the fall. Do you understand?

God created man holy, righteous and blameless!

Romans 8:29,30
" because those whom he gave his first recognition [b] he also foreordained to be patterned after the image of his Son, so that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 Moreover, those whom he foreordained are the ones he also called; and those whom he called are the ones he also declared to be righteous. Finally those whom he declared righteous are the ones he also glorified. "

Some of you just discuss blindly. Hebrew 1:3 didn't even say the same., It said " representation"

Just learn how to separate events - before the fall and after the fall are not the same... you hear!

Emusan:
If they're being truthful to themselves, that verse should have read "Jehovah" but alas they know the implication, so they won't try that.
This is exactly what I use to tell them.

The day they will understand when the scripture is talking about Jesus before He entered creation and after He became part of creation, is the day their delusions will be cured.

They are just trying hard to see if they can deceive more people... but unfortunately to them, the more they try the more they are losing

livingchrist:
Yeap, He is pained about the truth, he can only wish it was not true

They wish all these evidences are hid from non JWs... but lo, it's very clear.

Glory be to Jesus for ever :

*. Romans 11: 36 "KJV:For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever.Amen."


Jesus is the creator Who is blessed forever

*. Romans 1:25 "KJV:Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

*. Romans 9: 5 "KJV:Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen."

livingchrist:
I ask you again for the umpteenth time is Adam just an appearance.
So you mean Jesus was just an appearance, who ate, was hungry, slept and died?

@bolded Jesus said all the father his his own, including his throne which is represent the father's authority, Jesus is God Almighty, that is the truth no matter how you hate him, he is your God, your creator and you will bow to him, you have no say in this.

"that is the truth no matter how you hate him, he is your God, your creator and you will bow to him, you have no say in this."

Very correct....

MaxInDHouse:
HE is JEHOVAH and Jesus is the one speaking.

Jesus did all the work after JEHOVAH Created Him but the son gave all the glory to his Father who empowered him to do the work.

May the Lord Jesus Christ bless you for saying it as it is in the Word....

Jesus created ALL (not some) things...
The Bible says if there's anything created it's by Jesus Christ

*. John 1:1 "KJV:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2
KJV:The same was in the beginning with God.
3
KJV: All things were made by him ; and without him was not any thing made that was made ."

Anytime watch Tower wants to deceive you with the meaning of the word BY/THROUGH...

tell them "aeroplane was invented BY Wright brothers"

Does it mean Wright brothers were just channels?

More also, Jesus said that those things you guys are saying the Father gave Him are His own:

*. John 16:14 "KJV:He shall glorify me: for he ( the Father ) shall receive of MINE , and shall shew it unto you.
15
KJV: All things that the Father hath are MINE : therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

*. John 17:10 "KJV: And ALL MINE ARE THINE, and THINE ARE MINE ; and I am glorified in them."

watch Tower worshipers trying hard to disapprove the Word (Jesus)!

MaxInDHouse:
Parents gives birth to children so the children relatively becomes their responsibility.
Why is it that a parent will be arrested for taking the life of his own child?

I don't how this relates to Jesus being the creator of all ( not some) things.

Since you can't undo what the Bible say about Jesus being the person through whom all other things were created. It's evident that someone greater than Jesus is our Grand Creator.

If you use someone to do your job will he take possession?

If God's word now says all things were created through him and for him

The Bible says OF HIM meaning the sources and resources are His; He was the One who created all things using His resources and He created these things for Himself:

*. John 1:1 "KJV:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2
KJV:The same was in the beginning with God.
3
KJV: All things were made by him ; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

*. Colossians 1:16 "KJV: For by him were all things created , that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, AND FOR HIM : "

*. Romans 11:36 "KJV: For OF HIM, and THROUGH HIM , and TO
*. John 1:1 "KJV:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2
KJV:The same was in the beginning with God.
3
KJV: All things were made by him ; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Through whom?

Through God...

*. Colossians 1:16 "KJV: For by him were all things created , that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, AND FOR HIM : "

*. Romans 11:36 "KJV: For OF HIM, [/u]and THROUGH HIM , and TO HIM, are all things : to whom be glory for ever. Amen"

*. Revelations 4:11 "KJV:Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: [u]for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created"
Again: aeroplane was invented BY the Wright brothers; who invented the aeroplane?

, it simply means God can stay alone without those other things and remain happy {1Timothy 1:11} but God wanted His son to be happy always that's why He taught him the work of creation for the Son to be happy always in the things he is able to make out of the great wisdom of his FATHER:

B for Bible and b for brain; keep your brain but give me the Bible...

Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. Proverbs 8:30-31

It's evident that JEHOVAH created all other things through His only begotten Son for the Son to continue rejoicing in the things made!

Answer the question below

Since He is the only Being created by the Father, and the speaker in Proverbs 8 says:

Proverbs 8:26 "KJV: While as yet he had not made the earth [b], nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27
KJV: When [b] he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28
KJV: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29
KJV: When he gave to the sea his decree, [b/] that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

Who is this He, is it Jesus speaking of the Father or another being speaking of Jesus, "the creator of all other things"?

Janosky:
[b]Hebrews 1:2 "God MADE the universe
Through His son."
[i]I designed a motor car and built the components and I employed you,my son, to assemble it.

Components is in plural form. Which means it's not only one thing that was designed... the GB say only Jesus was created by the Father, ALL OTHER THINGS were then created by Jesus...

4 questions for KNOWMORE56:
who made the motor car?

The person that the car manual points at...

who owns the motor car?

The person that the receipt points at...

Hebrews 1:2
God made what?

God (Jesus) made all things..

*. John 1:1 "KJV:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2
KJV:The same was in the beginning with God.
3
KJV: All things were made by him ; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Through whom?

Through God...

*. Colossians 1:16 "KJV: For by him were all things created , that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, AND FOR HIM : "

*. Romans 11:36 "KJV: For OF HIM, and THROUGH HIM , and TO HIM, are all things : to whom be glory for ever. Amen"

my questions

Aeroplane was invented BY Wright brothers

1. who invented the aeroplane using Wright brothers as channel?

You guys have always stress BY/THROUGH...

2. if you employee someone to do a job for you, does that person take possession of the things he made?

"...u]THROUGH HIM and TO HIM, "

"...all things were created by him, AND FOR HIM : "

Speaklove:
This post is not about what people do with oil
Or what kind of oil people should pray with.

This post is about the SPIRITUAL Experiences
That people have (enabled by the Holy) Spirit and not PHYSICAL OIL that people pray with.

It's not about the oily things people do
It's about the Spiritual things that God does with people.

I hope you understand sir /ma

It's alright

Janosky:
Shuuooo !!!!!!
KNOWMORE56 why do you enjoy making your FALSE claims ?
In screenshot,Where did I type that claim you put up against my moniker?
Bros, dey fear God ooooo !!
KNOWMORE56 vain attempt to divert attention away from Proverbs 8:22-30 exposure of his FALSE accusation.
He doesn't want to hear that Jesus the "wisdom" was the Craftsman working at his Father's side "[b]Fashioning with Him" to create the earth @ Proverbs 8:22-30, 1 Cor 1:24.[/b]

Since He is the only Being created by the Father, and the speaker in Proverbs 8 says:

Proverbs 8:26 "KJV: While as yet he had not made the earth [b], nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27
KJV: When [b] he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28
KJV: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29
KJV: When he gave to the sea his decree, [b/] that the waters should not pass his commandment: [b] when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

Who is this He, is it Jesus speaking of the Father or another being speaking of Jesus, "the creator of all other things"?

Janosky:
...."HE" references God the Father & CREATOR OF the person personified as "Wisdom."
Proverbs 8:22 &1 Corinthians 1:24, who is "Wisdom"? ....

What this your answer means is:

While as yet He (the Father) had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27
KJV: When He (the Father) prepared the heavens, I (Jesus) was there:

When He (the Father) prepared the heavens, I (Jesus) was there:

according to Janosky the Father was working and Jesus was watching!

Do you understand?

Hismasterpiece:
I have a question for you Jehovah's witnesses and i would like you to answer me honestly, please.
You believe that we humans are purely flesh and blood, and not spirits who are housed in bodies.
So how do you interpret this portion of scripture -
Mat 17:1 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves;
Mat 17:2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.
Mat 17:3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
Mat 17:4 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."

The text appears to indicate that Moses and Elijah who had died and were buried centuries before the coming of Jesus in the flesh appeared to Jesus and conversed with Him and the disciples were able to recognize them. If all dead saints and sinners are just asleep in their graves till the day of the resurrection (which is also the same day Jesus returns) as Jehovah's witnesses believe (or if sinners cease to exist when they die, as KoboJunkie believes), then what is the correct interpretation of this text?

This account is also recorded in Mark 9:2-6 and Luke 9:28-33.

Also, the portion of scripture that gives the account of how a medium that King Saul went to see summoned the spirit of the prophet Samuel below by performing a seance -

1Sa 28:7 Then Saul said to his servants, "Find me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her." And his servants said to him, "In fact, there is a woman who is a medium at En Dor."
1Sa 28:8 So Saul disguised himself and put on other clothes, and he went, and two men with him; and they came to the woman by night. And he said, "Please conduct a seance for me, and bring up for me the one I shall name to you."
1Sa 28:9 Then the woman said to him, "Look, you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off the mediums and the spiritists from the land. Why then do you lay a snare for my life, to cause me to die?"
1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, "As the LORD lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing."
1Sa 28:11 Then the woman said, "Whom shall I bring up for you?" And he said, "Bring up Samuel for me."
1Sa 28:12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, "Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!"
1Sa 28:13 And the king said to her, "Do not be afraid. What did you see?" And the woman said to Saul, "I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth."
1Sa 28:14 So he said to her, "What is his form?" And she said, "An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle." And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down.
1Sa 28:15 Now Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" And Saul answered, "I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do."
For me it is a confirmation of the doctrine that we humans are triune beings comprising of a spirit, soul and physical body as revealed to us in
1 Thessalonians 5:23 and also in other passages of scripture like James 2:26 and Eccle 12:7 among others.
Now according to KoboJunkie, all sinners are purely flesh and blood, but believers are the ones who get to be born of the spirit, and therefore become spirit beings but prior to believing were simply born of the flesh, and therefore were nothing more than flesh and blood.
And according to Jehovah's witnesses all humans are purely flesh and blood and when saints and sinners die they remain asleep in their graves till when Jesus returns. After which they will be resurrected. Saints will be given eternal life here on earth, while sinners will be annihilated or wipes out of existence. Therefore, the witnesses don't believe in a literal heaven for saints or hell for sinners.
But this text from 1 samuel clearly states - And the woman said to Saul, "I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.". So nobody can say that she summoned a being made of flesh and blood, but rather, a spirit, thus confirming the doctrine that we humans are triune beings (spirits who have souls and live in bodies) which automatically confirms the doctrine that when a person's spirit departs from their body they go to their eternal home as revealed in Luke 16:19-31, 2 Corinthians 5:1-8, Heb 9:27, among others.
Because a person's spirit cannot just be roaming about the earth after it leaves the body (which isn't scriptural).
Anyways, MaxInDHouse, Janosky, Bishopkingsley, Emusan, KNOWMORE56, freshboi88, DappaD, KoboJunkie, Barristter07, let me have your opinions on this please.
And please no insults, as the Bible speaks against such.
Gracias.

Man has body, soul and spirit...!
even the people who said man does not have spirit cunningly attest to it when they agree that their GB will be in heaven as spirit being ( there is no record in the Word showing God is going to create spirit being at the end).

Let's see from the Word:

*. Isaiah 10:18 "KJV:And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, BOTH soul and body : and they shall be as when a standard-bearer fainteth."

Note the word BOTH! This means the soul and body are not the same as JWs are claiming.

*. Mathew 10:28 "KJV:And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy BOTH soul and body in hell."

*. 1 thessalonians 5:23 "KJV:And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and SOUL and BODY be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

*. Micah 6:7 "KJV:Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of MY BODY for the sin OF MY SOUL?"

Emusan:
Wahala for the this 8 men worshipper
The craftsman man is ETERNAL WISDOM of Yahweh
The skilled craftsman is eternal Wisdom of Yahweh
The skilled craftsman was brought forth by YAHWEH for the purpose of creation.
You forgot you always leave your brain in your hall.
Then the HE is the one who carried out the creations as those verses stated, not that another being.


Now that you agreed that the wisdom is another being different from Jehovah, then that Being must be God because according to the same Proverbs 8:14-16 "Counsel and sound judgment are mine; I have insight, I have power. 15 By me kings reign and rulers issue decrees that are just; 16 by me princes govern, and nobles—all who rule on earth.

You'll never receive sense JaNosense.

You've proven here that YAHWEH didn't use another creature to help Him rather YAHWEH ONLY created ALL THINGS BY HIMSELF as Proverbs 8:26-27 & Isaiah 44:24 clearly stated.

Severe pain for the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil the great JaNosense himself.

"...You've proven here that YAHWEH didn't use another creature to help Him rather YAHWEH ONLY created ALL THINGS BY HIMSELF..."

I doubt if he is aware of it...

Speaklove:
There are different operations of the Spirit that were not included in the list I penned down on the post so if you're reading this post, and you have any question please be free to ask

More questions...
I have always wondered why many people ( I don't want to say all) with these experiences often indulge in sexual immortality?

2. Are these feelings the certification that somebody is in good relationship with God?

Speaklove:
‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍I was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write this post so has to enable the Brethren who might be wondering or seeking understanding concerning some of the spiritual Experiences they might be having.
having experienced many of them myself - even till date, and even as I was writing these down.

‍‍‍These are the meanings of some of the spiritual Experiences you might have had or might be having or could have in future.

The purpose of this post is to help you recognize them, to discern what they meant and how to operate and maintain  the ones that are gifted to you for operations .
(some of them are gifts while some are not)

1.If you are feeling LITERAL oil running down on your head, without you or someone else physically pouring the oil on your head, but you could feel it spiritually running down on you.
This is what it means :
Every Christian has a call to fulfill in God (might not be necessarily one of the five fold Ministry)
And God has decided to anoint You(placed the symbol of legality, and authority upon you) by the Holy Spirit so you could be aware  that you are called by God to be a vessel through which his will, purposes, and agenda could find expression among mankind.
See = exodus 29:4-7, Leviticus 8:12,exodus 30:30, 1samuel 10:1
How to receive it :  fasting, asking the lord to lead you to the path of destiny, to reveal the the purpose for which are here to fulfill, and to give you his blessing and power to fulfill his Mandate for your life, and then wait at the presence of the lord after praying . 

2.if you felt oil literally dripping in your Palm,or a hot and fiery sensation on your Palm then it's the healing anointing.
See :mark 5:23,  mark 16 :18 , 1Corinthians 12:7-9 ,Act :28:8
How to receive it : have genuine compassion for the sick,meditate on healing scriptures, visit the sick and pray for them regularly , fast, ask for it in prayer , meditate on 1Corinthians 12:7-9 to gain receiving faith, stay there where you prayed and wait for long to receive the anointing (with your palms open)  OR YOU COULD RECEIVE IT BY IMPARTATION FROM A MINISTER OF GOD

3. If you felt literal oil on your tongue, then you should know that the lord as put his word in your mouth like  Jeremiah.
(and your might operate in the gift of words of wisdom 1Corinthians 12:7-

this is not a prophetic anointing but the enablement to speak the word of God for long  supernaturally and effortlessly. (this anointing is somehow an evangelistic anointing though it might not be for only the evangelists )
See : 2Samuel 23:2,Isaiah 51:16, Isaiah 59:21, Ezekiel 11:5, Jeremiah 1:4-9

4. If you felt literal oil dripping on your head, dripping on your Palm, glued to your tongue at the same time without you asking for the anointing while your pray (you just felt them, you didn't ask for them ) then you are called to be an evangelist.
See :Isaiah 61:1 ,  Luke  4:18, Act 8:5-7
How to receive it : practice praying , meditation on the Scriptures, evangelism and waiting upon the lord. anytime you come back from evangelizing ask for the evangelical Calling  by faith in prayer, and wait where you prayed FOR LONG . (but it's better to ask God to reveal the Calling he has for you, instead of you dictating the call he should give to you - although it is not bad to do so) .

5. If you felt fiery sensation on your tongue, coals of fire burning on your tongue, then God has anointed you to be a revivalist, and as you speak, your words burn the hearts of men like fire setting them ablaze, and creating an hunger for the things of God in their hearts.
see :Deuteronomy 4:12&36, Jeremiah 5:14, Luke 24:32.
How to receive it :by desiring to preach the word of God to people, consecrating your tongue to God, by MUCH PRAYING IN TONGUES, fasting, waiting on the lord.

6. If you felt fiery sensation burning under the layers of your feet, then this is a missionary anointing, it is a divine empowerment given you to Herald the gospel of the lord Jesus across territories.
See :Deuteronomy 11: 24, Joshua 1:3, Malachi 4:3
How to receive it :it is a calling, and if it's God will for your life he would baptize your feet with the fire, and you could exercise your faith in God by asking in prayer if you desire the work of a missionary (but it's better to seek God's own calling for you) .

7. If you felt fire burning in your heart you are a revivalist, and anytime a genuine preacher preaches your the fire would be stead within you, that's how it would also burn in the hearts of them that hears you .
See : psalm :39:3, Jeremiah 20:9, Luke  24:32.
How to receive it :be separated from the world unto the lord God, walk in alignment, and Communion with the holy spirit, let the words of God dwell in your in all wisdom, be conformed, and transformed into the image of christ.  Ask God to make while yielding in obedience to the holy spirit.

8.if you felt a literal weight (as if something is hanging on your heart, or as if you are about to choke) then the lord is touching your heart, he wants to bring you closer to him, (these experience would usually happen when you are in the presence of God)
See :Act 2:37, 2 Corinthians 4:4
How to receive it :it is in the hands of the holy spirit to do this.
Besides it not a gift, but only an operation of the Spirit.
You could experience this when you wait upon the lord in the place of prayer.

9. If you felt literal fire burning all over you body while you pray (not just a part or some parts) then you have been baptized with the fire of the holy spirit, as promised by the lord.
And this is a power anointing, you have been given power to carry out the assignment of God for your life,
It is also a flesh taming anointing strengthening you to spiritual path.
See : Malachi 3:1-3, Luke 3:15-16 ,Act 2:3.
How to receive it : ask with faith in prayer (desire it, have faith that you will receive, and expect it to come upon you immediately while you're praying)

10. If you felt fiery sensation on your eyes then your spiritual eyes are about to be activated, and it could start by having dreams, then it might progress according to your servicing of the operation by consecrating your eyes, Praying, And meditating the scriptures.
See : Daniel 10:6, Revelation 1:14, Revelation 2:18,  Revelation 3:18, Revelation 19:12.
How to receive it :take off your eyes from beholding Iniquity, seek illumination from the word of God, pray in tongues a lot, fast if you can, exercise yourself in it by practice, ask for spirit sight by praying to the lord in faith.

11.if while praying your head start turning around as if been driven by a force, then you should know that the  Spirit of the lord is brooding upon you because the lord has anointed you to fulfill a certain Mandate, and it's now your responsibility to find out what that responsibility is.
Although sometimes when this happens around you it might not be a sign of a calling but an overwhelming of the holy spirit.
See :Genesis 1:1-2 & 3, 1samuel 16:13, Isaiah 61:1, Luke 4:18.
How to receive it :ask that the hand, anointing, spirit and power of the lord rest upon you by faith.
(and keep asking till it happens ) 

12.some of this manifestations can be received through laying of hands , and impartation, from anointed ministers of God.
See:Deuteronomy 34:9,  2Timothy 1:6

2 Corinthians 1:21
[21]Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has ANOINTED US is God.

I want to state that though being inspired to write this by the Holy Spirit, the level of accuracy of what is written is according to the level my yieldness  , and how much I was willing to be inspired.
You might read or hear varying expositions on each manifestations listed from another vessel, and what he or she said might differ a little or entirely from what I wrote.
Now that doesn't mean what they said is false or what I wrote is false, but the manifestations of each operation might differ from one person to another according to their various experiences , but all things should be judged according to the mind of the scriptures and not only on experience or inspiration .
The operations and manifestations of the Spirit are more than the lists above,  by seeking you shall find them, asking you shall receive, and by knocking it will be open unto you - mysteries, dimensions of glory, and powers of the age to come.


There are some of experiences that weren't mentioned, but you can ask questions or make contributions concerning them.

Please Feel free to ask any question or make contributions.

Shalom.

I don't do oil things in my relationship with God...I don't like to pray with it.

My question is why do people using oil for prayer don't make use of palm kernel oil or any other oil?

Janosky:
Philippians 2:7-8, Acts 3:13 why do you KNOWMORE56, worship God's servant on earth?
Hebrews 1:6 Catholic Jerusalem Bible, your Pope confirmed it's "pay homage" in heaven NOT worship.
Matthew 2:11 & Hebrews 1:6, the same Greek proskyneo can not be worship.
Common sense
Why do you disobey your Pope @ Hebrews 1:6?
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Worship can mean homage and homage can mean worship....

The Word Only =TWO (the 2nd person in the Godhead) ... if you count from the Father He's number 2; if you count from the Holy Spirit He remains number 2!

The Word ONLY... not the word and the GB...
The Word ONLY... not the word and the GO/GS/pope...

Fact checking and confirmed.
KNOWMORE56 is a Polytheist, worshipping 2 persons.
John 20:17 , Revelation 3:12 Jesus worships only one God his Father.

1×1×1=1✓
1+1+1=1x

Father ,Son and Holy Spirit = One✓

*. John 10 :30 "KJV:I and my Father are one."

Matthew 27:46 the son Jesus died and cried to "my God,my God"
Proof : Jesus his son has never lived forever.
Therefore, Revelation 4:10-11 references Jehovah his God who lives forever.

You are pointing to Jesus as human being:

1. John 1:30 "KJV:This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me."

2. John 4:29 "KJV:Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?"

3. John 6:52 "KJV:The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"

4. John 7:12 "KJV:And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man : others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people."

5. John 8:40 "KJV:But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham."

6. 1 Corinthians 15: 47 "KJV:The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven."

7. 1 Timothy 2:5 "KJV:For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus ;"

8. Acts 2:22 "KJV:Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:"

Yes.
Catholic Jerusalem Bible, your Pope says "pay homage" in heaven.

Trinitarians are Polytheists.
Bros, you're proven your worship of 2 persons.

* Luke 1:73-74, references Jehovah.
Jesus never had any covenant with Abraham.

Matthew 20:28 , emphasis on "SERVE"
KNOWMORE56 says Jesus worships men
Bros, the Greek words "SERVE" @ John 12:26 & Matthew 20:28 mean the same thing.
DON'T DECEIVE yourself.

"SERVE" @ Matthew 4:10 & Acts 7:7 refers to the same thing.
There are 2 different Greek words translated as "SERVE" in English @ Matthew 4:10 & John 12:26 have different meaning.
Bros, pls go & confirm.
Don't post FALSE claims.

Jesus is God blessed forever!

*. Acts 10:36 "KJV:The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by [b] Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all: )"

*. Romans 9:5 "KJV:Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever . Amen."

Barristter07:
Psalm 89:6,7 none of the Sons of God is like Jehovah. Rest, as long as Jesus bears " Son" . He is not like Jehovah

The word ONLY means NO OTHER... Jesus is the only begotten SON of God...

He possesses all the qualities of the only true God!

*. Hebrews 1:5 "KJV:For unto which of the angels said he at any time, THOU ART MY SON, THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE ? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?"

*. John 3:16 "KJV:For God so loved the world, that he gave HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON , that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

[quote author=Barristter07 post=105547830][/quote]*. John 16:14 "KJV:He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine , and shall shew it unto you.
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KJV: All things that the Father hath are mine : therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

*. John 17:10 "KJV:And ALL MINE ARE THINE, and THINE ARE MINE [b] ; and I am glorified in them."

John 15:26 holy spirit [b] ' comes from the Father '
You miss it.
Without it, Jesus can't accomplish anything , this is why it could be said that Jehovah created the heavens.

The verses I gave say SPIRIT OF CHRIST... He (Jesus) has said I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE, ALL THAT THE FATHER HAS ARE MINE or ALL THAT I HAVE ARE HIS yet watch Tower devotees want to disprove Him!

The Father's spirit is the same as the Son's spirit:

*. Romans 8:9 "KJV: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ [b], he is none of his.

*. Philippines 1:19 "KJV: For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the [b] Spirit of Jesus Christ, "

*. 1 peter 1:11
"10 KJV: Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11
KJV: Searching what, or what manner of time THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Note: apostle Peter says THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST was in all the prophets from Genesis to revelation!

No sir, Nobody was created in Jesus image.

We don't have two or three images in the Word... the image of the Father is the same with the Son and the Holy Spirit!

*. Hebrews 1:3 "KJV:Who being the brightness of his glory, and THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON , and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high"

Barristter07:
He should also not have been excepted at Revelation 5:3 . Go figure , the point is clear. Christ was not recognized as a person in that text , he was represented as a Lamb . Not even counted among those in heaven.

If your point was valid, you would accept he is not also among those in heaven, do you accept ?

The answer is simple... He is not one of them...!
He is to receive worship and no to give worship!

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If your point was valid, you would accept he is not also among those in heaven, do you accept "

That verse you quoted says THERE'S NO MAN meaning THERE'S NO HUMAN BEING... He wasn't there as human being that's why He was not counted:

*. Revelation 5:3 "KJV:And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon."

The other place says EVERY CREATURE... including the 4 beasts... I remember your DO ROCK AND--- HAVE MOUTH?

*. Revelations 5:13 "KJV:And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever."


From all eternity to all eternity I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE!

FATHER/SON IS FROM EVERLASTING TO EVERLASTING:
Psalm 90:2; 93:2; Proverbs 8:23; Isaiah 9: 6; 63:16; Jeremiah 10:10; Daniel 4:3,34; 2 Peter 1:11:

*. Daniel 4:3 "KJV:How great are his signs! and how mighty are his wonders! his kingdom is an EVERLASTING kingdom, and his dominion is from generation to generation.
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KJV:And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an EVERLASTING dominion , and his kingdom is from generation to generation:"

*. 2 Peter 1 :11 "KJV:For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the EVERLASTING kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ ."

Now show me another being with such names.
I mean, an angel or a human being or anything else that has all these attributes.

FATHER/SON IS THE ROCK :

*. Deuteronomy 32:4 "KJV: He is THE ROCK , his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he." i e the Father

*. Deuteronomy 32:18 "KJV:Of THE ROCKS that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee." i.e the Father

*. Romans 9:32 "KJV:As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and ROCK of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed." i.e the Son

*. 1 Corinthians 10:4 "
KJV:And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. " i.e the Son

freshboi88:
Very laughable response....dude is bereft of ideas

Why did your created Jesus not worship his creator in that verse when all created beings were worshipping?

Give us answer...

Example: it's time for all passengers to come to your right hand side... there's one person who did not come to your right hand side...

Why did he not come?

MaxInDHouse:
Tell that to the little kids in your yard! Matthew 27:46 compare to Hebrews 5:7

Probably you don't like reading the below:

Jesus is the Creator of all things :
John 1:3-8;

*. Colossians 1:16 "KJV:For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: "

*. Romans 11:36 "KJV: For OF HIM, and THROUGH HIM, and TO HIM, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus has a God whom he himself worships, that's the God i WORSHIP! John 20:17

Jesus as a human being has a God that he worshiped....

But JESUS as God Almighty is the 1st and the last. He has no God that He worshiped....

I give you 7 verses about Jesus as human being and 7 verses about Jesus as God Almighty:

1. John 1:30 "KJV:This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me."

2. John 4:29 "KJV:Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?"

3. John 6:52 "KJV:The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"

4. John 7:12 "KJV:And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man : others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people."

5. John 8:40 "KJV:But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham."

6. 1 Corinthians 15: 47 "KJV:The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven."

7. 1 Timothy 2:5 "KJV:For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus ;"

1. John 1 1 "KJV:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

2. John 3:33 "KJV:The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God ."

3. John 20:28 "
KJV:And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God ."

4. Acts 7:59 "KJV:And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."

5. Romans 9:5 "KJV:Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen."

6. Titus 2:13 "KJV:Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;"

7. Hebrews 1:8 "KJV:But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

You have to know when the writers are referring to His human nature...

More at

https://www.nairaland.com/6404492/characteristics-true-god

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus has a God whom he himself worships, that's the God i WORSHIP! John 20:17

Jesus as a human being has a God that he worshiped....

But JESUS as God Almighty is the 1st and the last. He has no God that He worshiped....

I give you 7 verses about Jesus as human being and 7 verses about Jesus as God Almighty:

1. John 1:30 "KJV:This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me."

2. John 4:29 "KJV:Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?"

3. John 6:52 "KJV:The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"

4. John 7:12 "KJV:And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man : others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people."

5. John 8:40 "KJV:But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham."

6. 1 Corinthians 15: 47 "KJV:The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven."

7. 1 Timothy 2:5 "KJV:For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus ;"

1. John 1 1 "KJV:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

2. John 3:33 "KJV:The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God ."

3. John 20:28 "
KJV:And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God ."

4. Acts 7:59 "KJV:And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."

5. Romans 9:5 "KJV:Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen."

6. Titus 2:13 "KJV:Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;"

7. Hebrews 1:8 "KJV:But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

You have to know when the writers are referring to His human nature...

Barristter07:
The bible use the word " Saying " : to clarify the point. Coal and sticks don't talk
The same reason he is not part of those in heaven . Verse 3. I challenge you to prove otherwise

His point is very clear...
Since you said He is one of God's creatures... and the place says EVERY CREATURE

He should not have been excepted.

Instead of you to address this, you are saying Coal and sticks don't talk.

Is Jesus Coal and Stick in that place?