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Janosky:
The screenshot of Proverbs 8:30 proven
You don't love the truth, Mr cherry picker.

I've already gotten your point - the Father created River Benue and then the Son created River Niger...

A kind of DO AS I DO. It's you and your GB that will discuss that...

As for me I stand with IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WAS EVER CREATED, IT'S DONE BY JESUS!

John 1:3 "KJV:All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Janosky:
John 17:7 , 1 Corinthians 3:23
If KNOWMORE56 will receive SENSE.

*. John 16:14 "KJV:He shall glorify me: for He shall receive of MINE , and shall shew it unto you.
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KJV: All things that the Father hath are MINE : therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

Jesus said ALL ( not some) are mine !

Disapprove Him let's see

Janosky:
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Did Jesus create his Father?
Is the first born of every creature of God a creature?

The answer to the question WHO CREATED GOD? is God is a Being who created Himself...

it takes wisdom to create...if you agree indeed that Jesus is the wisdom of God, then it's Jesus God used to create Himself !

[b] question

How did God create Himself without wisdom...

how did He create Jesus without wisdom?

1 Corinthians 8:6, Matthew 19:4-6, John 15:15, Jesus was taught only his Father is the Creator.

To teach, the teacher would have to do something and ask the student to do the same...

this your JESUS WAS TAUGHT means you are not in agreement with the GB who said Jesus is the ONLY thing created by the Father...

The Father created trees and ask Jesus to do the same... this is what Janosky is saying...

2.
Matthew 28:18, Was his Father ever given power?

In revelations 4:8-11 we say it's Jesus that is being worshiped there but watch Tower say it is the Father:

KJV:And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
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KJV:And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
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KJV:The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
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KJV:Thou art worthy, O Lord, TO RECEIVE glory and honour and POWER : for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

question :

Who is being worshiped here... is it Jesus or the Father...

Who is to receive power in that place?

3.
Only the Father knows, Matthew 24:36.
If you have to, KNOWMORE56 go and twist any verse you want.

At this point Jesus is as Human being:

*. Acts 2:22 "KJV:Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:"

*. Acts 13:38 "KJV:Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:"

*. Acts 17:31 "KJV:Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead."

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Matthew 27:43,46, What is everlasting about your deity killed by men ?
Was his God & Father ever killed?

Jesus as human being was killed but Jesus as God Almighty is Alive for ever and ever !

*. Revelations 1:8 "KJV:I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which IS, and which WAS, and which IS to come, the Almighty ."

18 KJV: I am HE that LIVETH, and WAS dead; and, behold, I AM ALIVE FOR EVERMORE, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

5.
Matthew 4:10 & Revelation 3:12, Jesus proven you're wrong.
As usual, twist any verse you can conjure

Jesus said He is the only God that I should SERVE

*. John 12:26 "KJV:If any man SERVE ME, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: [b] if any man SERVE ME, him will my Father honour ."

Jesus said SERVE ME !

6.
Who made Jesus a judge of all?

Nobody... it's He's eternal attribute!

John 17:7, who gave Jesus life?

Nobody...He's eternal life!

*. 1 John 1:2 "KJVFor the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that ETERNAL LIFE, which was with the Father , and was manifested unto us"

*. 1 John 5:11 "KJV:And this is the record, that God hath given to us ETERNAL LIFE , and this life is in his Son."

"...He gave His only begotten son.."

"... God has given us ETERNAL LIFE.."

20 KJV:And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and ETERNAL LIFE ."

Janosky:
Be honest with yourself.
Did your Bible @ Matthew 24:36 say "the Father also doesn't know"?

Matthew 24:36 "KJV:But of that day and hour knoweth no man , no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."
"
Una dey see this Bros, KNOWMORE56?
KNOWMORE56 will quote the Bible and say whatever suits his fancy and TWIST the Bible Truth.

Oh no! You are not following.

Your brother said what happened in revelations 5:3 means Jesus was not in Heaven or He wasn't counted....

" nobody (no one) was able to open the book"

Barristter07:


You are mistaken . At highlighted. KJV uses " no man" cos of the embarssment it might bring for people like you. This is the true meaning of the word

It means NO ONE , nothing like human being exist in the word. It simply means NOBODY

Once again, Do you accept Revelation 5:3 means Jesus is also not among those in heaven?

Janosky:
John 3:16 "KJV:For God so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON"

Jesus is the Father's only begotten son in the spiritual realm before the Father gave his son to the world. John 8:38.
Receive SENSE & cure your Trinitarian DELUSION.

The First born of every creature is the only begotten son, the first creature of God his Father

You understand the difference between begotten son and adopted son, yet you carry your Trinitarian DELUSION like gala.
Point of Emphasis:
Every begotten son is a direct offspring of his Father. Jesus is a direct offspring of God his Father.
All other sons came after Jesus Christ.
Bros help yourself.
Cure your DELUSION.

When it says Jesus is the ONLY begotten (produce) Son; it means the rest are not begotten...

In regards to creation, Jesus is the ONLY Creator while human beings are created...

*. Genesis 1:27 "KJV:So GOD CREATED MAN in his own image, in the image of GOD CREATED he HIM; MALE and FEMALE created he them ."

*. John 1:3 "KJV:All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was Made.

in regards to redemption, Jesus is the only begotten .
The rest are adopted (not created)!

Read the post again:

The word opposite of begotten son is adopted son .

This should give us a clear understanding of the area this BEGOTTEN SON is going - it's in regards to the salvation plans for humanity ; all other saved human beings are ADOPTED SONS :

Jesus is the only begotten son :

*. John 3 16 "KJV:For God so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON , that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

ONLY means NO OTHER one !
others are adopted sons :

*. Romans 8:15 "KJV:For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of ADOPTION, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

*. Romans 8:23 "KJV:And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the ADOPTION , to wit, the redemption of our body ."

*. Romans 9:4 "KJV:Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the ADOPTION , and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;"

". Galatians 4:5 "KJV: To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the ADOPTION of sons . "

*. Ephesians 1:5 "KJV: Having predestinated us unto the ADOPTION of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,"

the unsaved are the children of the Devil :

1 John 3:10 "KJV:In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil : whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."

So while we may agree that Jesus as human being is produced....

Surely, Jesus as God Almighty created Himself!

10 billion naira? How many people are in the zone?

My point is 10 billion naira divided by the numbers of people there would have alleviate the people from poverty....

10 billion naira × the numbers of weeks in a month × the numbers of months in a year...

The question now is were are these billions naira before the sit at home order?

Umahi, Umahi, Umahi...! Fulani can never be a true friend...B care FULL

Barristter07 said owner doesn't receive something...

JWs would go back and forth with confusion....

Let's see:

*. Revelations 4:8 "KJV:And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
9
KJV:And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
10
KJV:The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
11
KJV:Thou art worthy, O Lord, to RECEIVE glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Who is the One being worshiped here?

barristter07:
Owner does not receive things from someone else.

Is it Jesus Who received power or the Father?

Barristter07:
Jesus wasn't represented as a person. He wasn't part of the NO ONE in heaven. no one refer to persons , not animals figures like A Lamb.

Even in Matthew No one does not include animals. Does it ?

Is the Father having animal appearance in Matthew?

*. Mathew 24:36 "KJV:But of that day and hour knoweth no man , no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only "

Emusan:
You can see how you keep exposing your lying month.

You're the same person who tries to use that since the Jesus says "NO ONE KNOWS the day day" means Holy spirit isn't a person.

No that you are trying to eat your cake and also have it as what Rev is talking about is "NO ONE" and Jesus is part of that NO ONE

Fraudulent Jws

This is already bookmarked

No one knows the day this means the Father also doesn't know....

Mathew 24:36 "KJV:But of that day and hour knoweth no man , no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Barristter07:

You are mistaken . At highlighted. KJV uses " no man" cos of the embarssment it might bring for people like you. This is the true meaning of the word

Strong's Concordance
oudeis and outheis, oudemia, ouden and outhen: no one, none
Original Word: οὐδείς, οὐδεμία, οὐδέν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: oudeis and outheis, oudemia, ouden and outhen
Phonetic Spelling: (oo-dice')
Definition: no one, none
Usage: no one, none, nothing.

https://biblehub.com/greek/3762.htm

It means NO ONE , nothing like human being exist in the word. It simply means NOBODY

Once again, Do you accept Revelation 5:3 means Jesus is also not among those in heaven?

Barristter07:
And Jesus is called their " Brother " .

You are mistaken . All the brothers are sons . And no son of God is like Jehovah.

I think you meant to say these verses are mistakes. See them again:


The word opposite of begotten son is adopted son .

This should give us a clear understanding of the area this BEGOTTEN SON is going - it's in regards to the salvation plans for humanity; all other saved human beings are ADOPTED SONS :

Jesus is the only begotten son :

*. John 3 16 "KJV:For God so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON , that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

ONLY means NO OTHER one!
others are adopted sons :

*. Romans 8:15 "KJV:For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of ADOPTION, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

*. Romans 8:23 "KJV:And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the ADOPTION , to wit, the redemption of our body ."

*. Romans 9:4 "KJV:Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the ADOPTION , and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;"

". Galatians 4:5 "KJV:To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the ADOPTION of sons . "

*. Ephesians 1:5 "KJV: Having predestinated us unto the ADOPTION of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,"

Barristter07:
Show me a single scripture that said Jesus have authority and rulership before he became human ?

*. John 1:1 " KJV:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2
KJV:The same was in the beginning with God.
3
KJV: All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made .

*. Genesis 1:1 "KJV:In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2
KJV:And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3
KJV: And God said, Let there be light: and there was light ."

When someone said something and that thing take effect immediately, that is an example of authority!

He said let there be light and there was light

*. Colossians 1:16 "KJV:For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers : all things were created by him, and for him:"

He who created thrones, dominions, principalities and powers can not be said He lacks authority and rulerships.

He's the Lord of hosts - Lord of hosts means the ruler of the armies in Heaven...

Stop arguing out of silence , Jesus does not possess authority until he became human - Dan 7;13,14

These things above happened before He came as human being.

Owner does not receive things from someone else.

You are now saying Jesus is telling lies... take it easy o o...no matter how much you hate Him, to Him every knee must bow...

*. John 16:14 "KJV:He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of MINE , and shall shew it unto you.
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KJV: All things that the Father hath are MINE : therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

*. John 17:10 "KJV: And ALL MINE ARE THINE, and THINE ARE MINE ; and I am glorified in them."

Romans 8:28,29 was saying those pattern after the image of Christ are all righteous. Did Adam produce holy , blameless humans ? Answer that and see if your theory would stand in the face of which image man was created

Adam created in the image of God was holy, righteous and blameless until the fall... You can read Romans 8: 1 to the end for better understanding

*. Romans 8:15 "KJV:For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of ADOPTION, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

*. Romans 8:23 "KJV:And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the ADOPTION , to wit, the redemption of our body ."

Nonexisting1:
Someone told me about that but I waved it like it was nothing. After about three more people told me about it, I decided to go check it out in facebook. Lo and behold, this guy was more like another me. Saying that he looked exactly like me is an understatement. The weekend after that, I went to the village and asked my father if he ever dated an Anambra woman before and he swore that he never did. He and my mother were shocked to their bones when I opened my facebook app and showed them the boy's pictures. My mother has now started having this theory in her head that I might have had a twin brother and that nurses stole and sold him to someone in Anambra state. This is the weirdest thing to have happened to me this year.

This could also be the situation surrounding the story that people saw the guy who died in their village at market....

Yes. One day I went to visit my friend and the sister told him that she over heard me and their neighbours discussing their family matters the previous night... o boy, I no go that area on the said night o

I denied tire she continued to say she knows wetin she dey talk...

The said neighbours said I no come their area yesterday, she no gree

Can you ,barristter07, point out any quality of the true God that is missing in Jesus...

https://www.nairaland.com/6404492/characteristics-true-god

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted said it all.
Thanks!

John 16:14 "KJV:He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of MINE , and shall shew it unto you.
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KJV: All things that the Father hath are MINE : therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

Jesus said ALL ( not some) are mine!

He said that the Holy Spirit shall RECEIVE...

Janosky:
Does KNOWMORE56 understand Proverbs 8:30 ( in Screenshots)?
Shebi Proverbs 8:22,30 is missing in your Bible?

Bros, you have proven you're wedded to FALSEHOOD & Delusion.
Cherry picker, your own Bible ends at Verse 27

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Your answer means the Father was working and Jesus was watching

Janosky:
...."HE" references God the Father & CREATOR OF the person personified as "Wisdom."
Proverbs 8:22 &1 Corinthians 1:24, who is "Wisdom"? ....

*. Proverbs 8:27 "KJV: When He (the Father) prepared the heavens, I (Jesus) was there:

When He (the Father) prepared the heavens, I (Jesus) was there:

Speaklove:
Yes you are somehow correct on your first question.
Many of those who walk in this graces battle with immorality because the devil won't fight you if you have nothing to offer.

Immorality weakens the manifestation of the Spirit in someone's life, and might lead to become lukewarm or losing the grace at the end.

Coming to your second question :
The fact that you experience these things doesn't mean you are in good terms with God.
God honors the Labours of men whether they are good people or bad.
That's why there are many anointed, and very powerful men of God today whose life are not in conformity with the ways of God.

There are many who are highly gifted with spiritual graces but the works of their hands are evil, but still they manifest power in an overwhelming degree - they even grow in the anointing.
As it is written
Matthew 7:22-23
[22]Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
[23]And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

But to make a balance,
The manifestations of these things are somehow signifying that a person has done business with the SECRET PLACE and God is rewarding them in the open.

Some people didn't practice the presence of God, they are sinners, but they receive this things as impartion from anointed men of God.

It's important for one to have something with which (or by which) one would reveal the reality of God to one's generation.
Men are looking for evidence of the reality of God, and not talk.

So these are some of the evidences that we indeed serve a living God, and our God is the I AM THAT I AM.
For he himself said

Isaiah 43:10-12
[10]“You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me.
[11]I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior.
[12]I have declared and saved, I have proclaimed, And there was no foreign god among you; Therefore you are My witnesses,” Says the Lord, “that I am God.


WE NEED POWER
BECAUSE UNLESS SOME PEOPLE SEE THE POWER OF OUR GOD MANIFEST THROUGH US THEY WILL NEVER BELIEVE IN HIM
SO WE NEED POWER BECAUSE

WE ARE HIS WITNESSES THAT HE IS GOD

Ok, thanks for your reply.

Another question:
What is the way out for people gifted yet fornicating?

Barristter07:
You are mistaken . At highlighted. KJV uses " no man" cos of the embarssment it might bring for people like you. This is the true meaning of the word


Strong's Concordance
oudeis and outheis, oudemia, ouden and outhen: no one, none
Original Word: οὐδείς, οὐδεμία, οὐδέν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: oudeis and outheis, oudemia, ouden and outhen
Phonetic Spelling: (oo-dice')
Definition: no one, none
Usage: no one, none, nothing.

https://biblehub.com/greek/3762.htm


It means NO ONE , nothing like human being exist in the word. It simply means NOBODY

Once again, Do you accept Revelation 5:3 means Jesus is also not among those in heaven?

You guys can make people laugh...
Nobody in English often refers to human being. You should have used NOTHING instead because Jesus is called the LOIN OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH in that place

This NOBODY is outside the Father, SON and Holy Spirit...
You have agreed with the KJV...

Let's see what happens there:

*. Revelations 5 :3 " KJV:And no man in heaven , nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
4
KJV:And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
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KJV:And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, THE LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. "

Now, using the same logic:
every CREATURE in verse 13 of revelations 5 should have included Jesus since you claim He is created

Greek: κτίσμα
Transliteration: ktisma
Pronunciation: ktis'-mah
Definition: From G2936; an original formation (concretely) that is product (created thing): - creature.
KJV Usage: creature (4x).
Occurs: 4
In verses: 4

Why is Jesus not included?

Barristter07:
You are complicating things for yourself. Begotten simply means produced. He was only begotten because he is the one The Father himself directly create, all other sons came through Jesus.

Jesus is still called " Son of God "

None among the sons of God is like Jehovah. Let it sink

There's no complications on my side... my post is in response to your claim that Jesus is a son ; meaning He's one among many, No. He's the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD .

The word opposite of begotten son is adopted son.

This should give us a clear understanding of the area this BEGOTTEN SON is going - it's in regards to the salvation plans for humanity; all other saved human beings are ADOPTED SONS:

Jesus is the only begotten son

*. John 3 16 "KJV:For God so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

ONLY means NO OTHER one!
others are adopted sons

*. Romans 8:15 "KJV:For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of ADOPTION, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

*. Romans 8:23 "KJV:And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the ADOPTION, to wit, the redemption of our body ."

*. Romans 9:4 "KJV:Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the ADOPTION, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;"

". Galatians 4:5 "KJV:To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons . "

*. Ephesians 1:5 "KJV: Having predestinated us unto the ADOPTION of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,"

Once again, separate events from events... Jesus being the only begotten son is about when He decided to get many of us into His Kingdom!

Do you understand !

*. Hebrews 2:10 "KJV: For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, IN BRINGING MANY SONS UNTO Glory , to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings."

Barristter07:
Nobody dispute all this, The Father allowed Jesus access to his spirit. Yes even called spirit of Christ.

Good! The very reason Jesus is God...

But am talking about ownership.

Jesus clearly said He is the owner

John 16:15 "KJV: All things that the Father hath are mine : therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Acts 2:33
Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear.

The Father owns it. And whatever Jesus do, he rely on this power of the Father. As seen at Act 2:33 The Father gave Jesus holy spirit.

You are looking at Him from His other offices:
https://www.nairaland.com/6115965/which-following-1-9-jesus

[q]
I challenge you to show me a single place where Jesus gave the Father holy spirit ? [/quote]Your submission is faulty... Jesus as God is not given anything at all.
As human, He depends on His God...
I don't know when you will separate His humanity from HIS divinity.

John 16 is talking about the Holy Spirit, Whom Jesus clearly said He is the Owner.

Your thinking is flawed. Since the image is the same, it means everybody on Earth is chosen and declared righteous

your confusion is on your inability to separate events. Everybody on earth was perfect before the fall. Do you understand?

God created man holy, righteous and blameless!

Romans 8:29,30
" because those whom he gave his first recognition [b] he also foreordained to be patterned after the image of his Son, so that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 Moreover, those whom he foreordained are the ones he also called; and those whom he called are the ones he also declared to be righteous. Finally those whom he declared righteous are the ones he also glorified. "

Some of you just discuss blindly. Hebrew 1:3 didn't even say the same., It said " representation"

Just learn how to separate events - before the fall and after the fall are not the same... you hear!

Emusan:
If they're being truthful to themselves, that verse should have read "Jehovah" but alas they know the implication, so they won't try that.
This is exactly what I use to tell them.

The day they will understand when the scripture is talking about Jesus before He entered creation and after He became part of creation, is the day their delusions will be cured.

They are just trying hard to see if they can deceive more people... but unfortunately to them, the more they try the more they are losing

livingchrist:
Yeap, He is pained about the truth, he can only wish it was not true

They wish all these evidences are hid from non JWs... but lo, it's very clear.

Glory be to Jesus for ever :

*. Romans 11: 36 "KJV:For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever.Amen."


Jesus is the creator Who is blessed forever

*. Romans 1:25 "KJV:Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

*. Romans 9: 5 "KJV:Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen."

livingchrist:
I ask you again for the umpteenth time is Adam just an appearance.
So you mean Jesus was just an appearance, who ate, was hungry, slept and died?

@bolded Jesus said all the father his his own, including his throne which is represent the father's authority, Jesus is God Almighty, that is the truth no matter how you hate him, he is your God, your creator and you will bow to him, you have no say in this.

"that is the truth no matter how you hate him, he is your God, your creator and you will bow to him, you have no say in this."

Very correct....

MaxInDHouse:
HE is JEHOVAH and Jesus is the one speaking.

Jesus did all the work after JEHOVAH Created Him but the son gave all the glory to his Father who empowered him to do the work.

May the Lord Jesus Christ bless you for saying it as it is in the Word....

Jesus created ALL (not some) things...
The Bible says if there's anything created it's by Jesus Christ

*. John 1:1 "KJV:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2
KJV:The same was in the beginning with God.
3
KJV: All things were made by him ; and without him was not any thing made that was made ."

Anytime watch Tower wants to deceive you with the meaning of the word BY/THROUGH...

tell them "aeroplane was invented BY Wright brothers"

Does it mean Wright brothers were just channels?

More also, Jesus said that those things you guys are saying the Father gave Him are His own:

*. John 16:14 "KJV:He shall glorify me: for he ( the Father ) shall receive of MINE , and shall shew it unto you.
15
KJV: All things that the Father hath are MINE : therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

*. John 17:10 "KJV: And ALL MINE ARE THINE, and THINE ARE MINE ; and I am glorified in them."

watch Tower worshipers trying hard to disapprove the Word (Jesus)!

MaxInDHouse:
Parents gives birth to children so the children relatively becomes their responsibility.
Why is it that a parent will be arrested for taking the life of his own child?

I don't how this relates to Jesus being the creator of all ( not some) things.

Since you can't undo what the Bible say about Jesus being the person through whom all other things were created. It's evident that someone greater than Jesus is our Grand Creator.

If you use someone to do your job will he take possession?

If God's word now says all things were created through him and for him

The Bible says OF HIM meaning the sources and resources are His; He was the One who created all things using His resources and He created these things for Himself:

*. John 1:1 "KJV:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2
KJV:The same was in the beginning with God.
3
KJV: All things were made by him ; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

*. Colossians 1:16 "KJV: For by him were all things created , that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, AND FOR HIM : "

*. Romans 11:36 "KJV: For OF HIM, and THROUGH HIM , and TO
*. John 1:1 "KJV:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2
KJV:The same was in the beginning with God.
3
KJV: All things were made by him ; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Through whom?

Through God...

*. Colossians 1:16 "KJV: For by him were all things created , that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, AND FOR HIM : "

*. Romans 11:36 "KJV: For OF HIM, [/u]and THROUGH HIM , and TO HIM, are all things : to whom be glory for ever. Amen"

*. Revelations 4:11 "KJV:Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: [u]for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created"
Again: aeroplane was invented BY the Wright brothers; who invented the aeroplane?

, it simply means God can stay alone without those other things and remain happy {1Timothy 1:11} but God wanted His son to be happy always that's why He taught him the work of creation for the Son to be happy always in the things he is able to make out of the great wisdom of his FATHER:

B for Bible and b for brain; keep your brain but give me the Bible...

Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. Proverbs 8:30-31

It's evident that JEHOVAH created all other things through His only begotten Son for the Son to continue rejoicing in the things made!

Answer the question below

Since He is the only Being created by the Father, and the speaker in Proverbs 8 says:

Proverbs 8:26 "KJV: While as yet he had not made the earth [b], nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27
KJV: When [b] he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28
KJV: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29
KJV: When he gave to the sea his decree, [b/] that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

Who is this He, is it Jesus speaking of the Father or another being speaking of Jesus, "the creator of all other things"?

Janosky:
[b]Hebrews 1:2 "God MADE the universe
Through His son."
[i]I designed a motor car and built the components and I employed you,my son, to assemble it.

Components is in plural form. Which means it's not only one thing that was designed... the GB say only Jesus was created by the Father, ALL OTHER THINGS were then created by Jesus...

4 questions for KNOWMORE56:
who made the motor car?

The person that the car manual points at...

who owns the motor car?

The person that the receipt points at...

Hebrews 1:2
God made what?

God (Jesus) made all things..

*. John 1:1 "KJV:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2
KJV:The same was in the beginning with God.
3
KJV: All things were made by him ; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Through whom?

Through God...

*. Colossians 1:16 "KJV: For by him were all things created , that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, AND FOR HIM : "

*. Romans 11:36 "KJV: For OF HIM, and THROUGH HIM , and TO HIM, are all things : to whom be glory for ever. Amen"

my questions

Aeroplane was invented BY Wright brothers

1. who invented the aeroplane using Wright brothers as channel?

You guys have always stress BY/THROUGH...

2. if you employee someone to do a job for you, does that person take possession of the things he made?

"...u]THROUGH HIM and TO HIM, "

"...all things were created by him, AND FOR HIM : "

Speaklove:
This post is not about what people do with oil
Or what kind of oil people should pray with.

This post is about the SPIRITUAL Experiences
That people have (enabled by the Holy) Spirit and not PHYSICAL OIL that people pray with.

It's not about the oily things people do
It's about the Spiritual things that God does with people.

I hope you understand sir /ma

It's alright

Janosky:
Shuuooo !!!!!!
KNOWMORE56 why do you enjoy making your FALSE claims ?
In screenshot,Where did I type that claim you put up against my moniker?
Bros, dey fear God ooooo !!
KNOWMORE56 vain attempt to divert attention away from Proverbs 8:22-30 exposure of his FALSE accusation.
He doesn't want to hear that Jesus the "wisdom" was the Craftsman working at his Father's side "[b]Fashioning with Him" to create the earth @ Proverbs 8:22-30, 1 Cor 1:24.[/b]

Since He is the only Being created by the Father, and the speaker in Proverbs 8 says:

Proverbs 8:26 "KJV: While as yet he had not made the earth [b], nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27
KJV: When [b] he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28
KJV: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29
KJV: When he gave to the sea his decree, [b/] that the waters should not pass his commandment: [b] when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

Who is this He, is it Jesus speaking of the Father or another being speaking of Jesus, "the creator of all other things"?

Janosky:
...."HE" references God the Father & CREATOR OF the person personified as "Wisdom."
Proverbs 8:22 &1 Corinthians 1:24, who is "Wisdom"? ....

What this your answer means is:

While as yet He (the Father) had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27
KJV: When He (the Father) prepared the heavens, I (Jesus) was there:

When He (the Father) prepared the heavens, I (Jesus) was there:

according to Janosky the Father was working and Jesus was watching!

Do you understand?

Hismasterpiece:
I have a question for you Jehovah's witnesses and i would like you to answer me honestly, please.
You believe that we humans are purely flesh and blood, and not spirits who are housed in bodies.
So how do you interpret this portion of scripture -
Mat 17:1 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves;
Mat 17:2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.
Mat 17:3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
Mat 17:4 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."

The text appears to indicate that Moses and Elijah who had died and were buried centuries before the coming of Jesus in the flesh appeared to Jesus and conversed with Him and the disciples were able to recognize them. If all dead saints and sinners are just asleep in their graves till the day of the resurrection (which is also the same day Jesus returns) as Jehovah's witnesses believe (or if sinners cease to exist when they die, as KoboJunkie believes), then what is the correct interpretation of this text?

This account is also recorded in Mark 9:2-6 and Luke 9:28-33.

Also, the portion of scripture that gives the account of how a medium that King Saul went to see summoned the spirit of the prophet Samuel below by performing a seance -

1Sa 28:7 Then Saul said to his servants, "Find me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her." And his servants said to him, "In fact, there is a woman who is a medium at En Dor."
1Sa 28:8 So Saul disguised himself and put on other clothes, and he went, and two men with him; and they came to the woman by night. And he said, "Please conduct a seance for me, and bring up for me the one I shall name to you."
1Sa 28:9 Then the woman said to him, "Look, you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off the mediums and the spiritists from the land. Why then do you lay a snare for my life, to cause me to die?"
1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, "As the LORD lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing."
1Sa 28:11 Then the woman said, "Whom shall I bring up for you?" And he said, "Bring up Samuel for me."
1Sa 28:12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, "Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!"
1Sa 28:13 And the king said to her, "Do not be afraid. What did you see?" And the woman said to Saul, "I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth."
1Sa 28:14 So he said to her, "What is his form?" And she said, "An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle." And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down.
1Sa 28:15 Now Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" And Saul answered, "I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do."
For me it is a confirmation of the doctrine that we humans are triune beings comprising of a spirit, soul and physical body as revealed to us in
1 Thessalonians 5:23 and also in other passages of scripture like James 2:26 and Eccle 12:7 among others.
Now according to KoboJunkie, all sinners are purely flesh and blood, but believers are the ones who get to be born of the spirit, and therefore become spirit beings but prior to believing were simply born of the flesh, and therefore were nothing more than flesh and blood.
And according to Jehovah's witnesses all humans are purely flesh and blood and when saints and sinners die they remain asleep in their graves till when Jesus returns. After which they will be resurrected. Saints will be given eternal life here on earth, while sinners will be annihilated or wipes out of existence. Therefore, the witnesses don't believe in a literal heaven for saints or hell for sinners.
But this text from 1 samuel clearly states - And the woman said to Saul, "I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.". So nobody can say that she summoned a being made of flesh and blood, but rather, a spirit, thus confirming the doctrine that we humans are triune beings (spirits who have souls and live in bodies) which automatically confirms the doctrine that when a person's spirit departs from their body they go to their eternal home as revealed in Luke 16:19-31, 2 Corinthians 5:1-8, Heb 9:27, among others.
Because a person's spirit cannot just be roaming about the earth after it leaves the body (which isn't scriptural).
Anyways, MaxInDHouse, Janosky, Bishopkingsley, Emusan, KNOWMORE56, freshboi88, DappaD, KoboJunkie, Barristter07, let me have your opinions on this please.
And please no insults, as the Bible speaks against such.
Gracias.

Man has body, soul and spirit...!
even the people who said man does not have spirit cunningly attest to it when they agree that their GB will be in heaven as spirit being ( there is no record in the Word showing God is going to create spirit being at the end).

Let's see from the Word:

*. Isaiah 10:18 "KJV:And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, BOTH soul and body : and they shall be as when a standard-bearer fainteth."

Note the word BOTH! This means the soul and body are not the same as JWs are claiming.

*. Mathew 10:28 "KJV:And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy BOTH soul and body in hell."

*. 1 thessalonians 5:23 "KJV:And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and SOUL and BODY be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

*. Micah 6:7 "KJV:Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of MY BODY for the sin OF MY SOUL?"

Emusan:
Wahala for the this 8 men worshipper
The craftsman man is ETERNAL WISDOM of Yahweh
The skilled craftsman is eternal Wisdom of Yahweh
The skilled craftsman was brought forth by YAHWEH for the purpose of creation.
You forgot you always leave your brain in your hall.
Then the HE is the one who carried out the creations as those verses stated, not that another being.


Now that you agreed that the wisdom is another being different from Jehovah, then that Being must be God because according to the same Proverbs 8:14-16 "Counsel and sound judgment are mine; I have insight, I have power. 15 By me kings reign and rulers issue decrees that are just; 16 by me princes govern, and nobles—all who rule on earth.

You'll never receive sense JaNosense.

You've proven here that YAHWEH didn't use another creature to help Him rather YAHWEH ONLY created ALL THINGS BY HIMSELF as Proverbs 8:26-27 & Isaiah 44:24 clearly stated.

Severe pain for the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil the great JaNosense himself.

"...You've proven here that YAHWEH didn't use another creature to help Him rather YAHWEH ONLY created ALL THINGS BY HIMSELF..."

I doubt if he is aware of it...

Speaklove:
There are different operations of the Spirit that were not included in the list I penned down on the post so if you're reading this post, and you have any question please be free to ask

More questions...
I have always wondered why many people ( I don't want to say all) with these experiences often indulge in sexual immortality?

2. Are these feelings the certification that somebody is in good relationship with God?

Speaklove:
‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍I was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write this post so has to enable the Brethren who might be wondering or seeking understanding concerning some of the spiritual Experiences they might be having.
having experienced many of them myself - even till date, and even as I was writing these down.

‍‍‍These are the meanings of some of the spiritual Experiences you might have had or might be having or could have in future.

The purpose of this post is to help you recognize them, to discern what they meant and how to operate and maintain  the ones that are gifted to you for operations .
(some of them are gifts while some are not)

1.If you are feeling LITERAL oil running down on your head, without you or someone else physically pouring the oil on your head, but you could feel it spiritually running down on you.
This is what it means :
Every Christian has a call to fulfill in God (might not be necessarily one of the five fold Ministry)
And God has decided to anoint You(placed the symbol of legality, and authority upon you) by the Holy Spirit so you could be aware  that you are called by God to be a vessel through which his will, purposes, and agenda could find expression among mankind.
See = exodus 29:4-7, Leviticus 8:12,exodus 30:30, 1samuel 10:1
How to receive it :  fasting, asking the lord to lead you to the path of destiny, to reveal the the purpose for which are here to fulfill, and to give you his blessing and power to fulfill his Mandate for your life, and then wait at the presence of the lord after praying . 

2.if you felt oil literally dripping in your Palm,or a hot and fiery sensation on your Palm then it's the healing anointing.
See :mark 5:23,  mark 16 :18 , 1Corinthians 12:7-9 ,Act :28:8
How to receive it : have genuine compassion for the sick,meditate on healing scriptures, visit the sick and pray for them regularly , fast, ask for it in prayer , meditate on 1Corinthians 12:7-9 to gain receiving faith, stay there where you prayed and wait for long to receive the anointing (with your palms open)  OR YOU COULD RECEIVE IT BY IMPARTATION FROM A MINISTER OF GOD

3. If you felt literal oil on your tongue, then you should know that the lord as put his word in your mouth like  Jeremiah.
(and your might operate in the gift of words of wisdom 1Corinthians 12:7-

this is not a prophetic anointing but the enablement to speak the word of God for long  supernaturally and effortlessly. (this anointing is somehow an evangelistic anointing though it might not be for only the evangelists )
See : 2Samuel 23:2,Isaiah 51:16, Isaiah 59:21, Ezekiel 11:5, Jeremiah 1:4-9

4. If you felt literal oil dripping on your head, dripping on your Palm, glued to your tongue at the same time without you asking for the anointing while your pray (you just felt them, you didn't ask for them ) then you are called to be an evangelist.
See :Isaiah 61:1 ,  Luke  4:18, Act 8:5-7
How to receive it : practice praying , meditation on the Scriptures, evangelism and waiting upon the lord. anytime you come back from evangelizing ask for the evangelical Calling  by faith in prayer, and wait where you prayed FOR LONG . (but it's better to ask God to reveal the Calling he has for you, instead of you dictating the call he should give to you - although it is not bad to do so) .

5. If you felt fiery sensation on your tongue, coals of fire burning on your tongue, then God has anointed you to be a revivalist, and as you speak, your words burn the hearts of men like fire setting them ablaze, and creating an hunger for the things of God in their hearts.
see :Deuteronomy 4:12&36, Jeremiah 5:14, Luke 24:32.
How to receive it :by desiring to preach the word of God to people, consecrating your tongue to God, by MUCH PRAYING IN TONGUES, fasting, waiting on the lord.

6. If you felt fiery sensation burning under the layers of your feet, then this is a missionary anointing, it is a divine empowerment given you to Herald the gospel of the lord Jesus across territories.
See :Deuteronomy 11: 24, Joshua 1:3, Malachi 4:3
How to receive it :it is a calling, and if it's God will for your life he would baptize your feet with the fire, and you could exercise your faith in God by asking in prayer if you desire the work of a missionary (but it's better to seek God's own calling for you) .

7. If you felt fire burning in your heart you are a revivalist, and anytime a genuine preacher preaches your the fire would be stead within you, that's how it would also burn in the hearts of them that hears you .
See : psalm :39:3, Jeremiah 20:9, Luke  24:32.
How to receive it :be separated from the world unto the lord God, walk in alignment, and Communion with the holy spirit, let the words of God dwell in your in all wisdom, be conformed, and transformed into the image of christ.  Ask God to make while yielding in obedience to the holy spirit.

8.if you felt a literal weight (as if something is hanging on your heart, or as if you are about to choke) then the lord is touching your heart, he wants to bring you closer to him, (these experience would usually happen when you are in the presence of God)
See :Act 2:37, 2 Corinthians 4:4
How to receive it :it is in the hands of the holy spirit to do this.
Besides it not a gift, but only an operation of the Spirit.
You could experience this when you wait upon the lord in the place of prayer.

9. If you felt literal fire burning all over you body while you pray (not just a part or some parts) then you have been baptized with the fire of the holy spirit, as promised by the lord.
And this is a power anointing, you have been given power to carry out the assignment of God for your life,
It is also a flesh taming anointing strengthening you to spiritual path.
See : Malachi 3:1-3, Luke 3:15-16 ,Act 2:3.
How to receive it : ask with faith in prayer (desire it, have faith that you will receive, and expect it to come upon you immediately while you're praying)

10. If you felt fiery sensation on your eyes then your spiritual eyes are about to be activated, and it could start by having dreams, then it might progress according to your servicing of the operation by consecrating your eyes, Praying, And meditating the scriptures.
See : Daniel 10:6, Revelation 1:14, Revelation 2:18,  Revelation 3:18, Revelation 19:12.
How to receive it :take off your eyes from beholding Iniquity, seek illumination from the word of God, pray in tongues a lot, fast if you can, exercise yourself in it by practice, ask for spirit sight by praying to the lord in faith.

11.if while praying your head start turning around as if been driven by a force, then you should know that the  Spirit of the lord is brooding upon you because the lord has anointed you to fulfill a certain Mandate, and it's now your responsibility to find out what that responsibility is.
Although sometimes when this happens around you it might not be a sign of a calling but an overwhelming of the holy spirit.
See :Genesis 1:1-2 & 3, 1samuel 16:13, Isaiah 61:1, Luke 4:18.
How to receive it :ask that the hand, anointing, spirit and power of the lord rest upon you by faith.
(and keep asking till it happens ) 

12.some of this manifestations can be received through laying of hands , and impartation, from anointed ministers of God.
See:Deuteronomy 34:9,  2Timothy 1:6

2 Corinthians 1:21
[21]Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has ANOINTED US is God.

I want to state that though being inspired to write this by the Holy Spirit, the level of accuracy of what is written is according to the level my yieldness  , and how much I was willing to be inspired.
You might read or hear varying expositions on each manifestations listed from another vessel, and what he or she said might differ a little or entirely from what I wrote.
Now that doesn't mean what they said is false or what I wrote is false, but the manifestations of each operation might differ from one person to another according to their various experiences , but all things should be judged according to the mind of the scriptures and not only on experience or inspiration .
The operations and manifestations of the Spirit are more than the lists above,  by seeking you shall find them, asking you shall receive, and by knocking it will be open unto you - mysteries, dimensions of glory, and powers of the age to come.


There are some of experiences that weren't mentioned, but you can ask questions or make contributions concerning them.

Please Feel free to ask any question or make contributions.

Shalom.

I don't do oil things in my relationship with God...I don't like to pray with it.

My question is why do people using oil for prayer don't make use of palm kernel oil or any other oil?