MaxInDHouse:

OBEISANCE and WORSHIP as i said earlier correlates but has different meaning.
OBEISANCE was translated in many verses of the KJV as WORSHIP because the translators are TRINITARIANS so they based their interpretation on preconceived thought of the TRINITY

Hmmm, this accusation is not fair at all! The Bible works of the innocent transliterators are misjudged by Watch tower. They are guilty of the things they accuse others....

Since you understood the scriptures i hope you and your fellow members are doing what Jesus who was called "CHRIST" commissioned {Matthew 10:1-15 28:19-20} which led the inhabitants of Antioch to call them "CHRISTIANS"? Act 11:26
If you're up and doing in this regard more grease to your elbow Sir!

ok nauw, it's well. I Know that Jesus Christ, the TRUE GOD, will soon come and He'll make all things clear for us...

AntiChristian:


All Prophets are a representative of God on earth. God didn't come to tell Noah's people about the flood. Same as Moses's.

Where did Jesus call himself God without any ambiguity?

There's no ambiguity in this case. For example,
if I should say " I've never discussed with a Muslim faithful"

and you say "you have been discussing with me all this while, yet you said you had not discussed with a Muslim faithful?"
You have directly told me that you are a Muslim faithful!...[/quote]

God is not a father to anyone. He is far from such appellation of siring.

When you talk about father, then we should have a mother and children.

Then we known copulation and fertilisation.

this is serious, the English language is not like that.... person can father a child through adoption, okay...

Some teachers do tell their students " go and marry your book" this doesn't mean payment of bride price, wedding and the rest...

Father of all means owner of all:

*. Ephesians 4:6 " KJV: One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Father of all means creator of all:

*. Malachi 2:10 "KJV: Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?"

MaxInDHouse:

You claim you know what OBEISANCE and WORSHIP means but it's obvious you don't!

Obeisance means obedience to someone and that means the person you're asked to obey will give you orders either verbally or in written form.

I took time to post some bible dictionary concordances showing the meaning of the Hebrews & Greek word translated worship, non of them contains the word obey or obedience but you from nowhere type "obeisance means obedience"
But the two words are different. Obedience do with laws/commandments/ instructions....
The other one deals with reverence/respect... [/quote]

Now why do i go against Catholics claiming they're doing obeisance to Mary?
Please what exactly did Mary commanded me to do as found written in the scriptures?
Did God ask me to obey Mary the way He said about Jesus? Matthew 17:5
The national anthem and pledge is against pure worship!
HOW? God's word asked me to obey the authorities but then i should be able to distinguish between what belongs to Caesar and what belongs to God {Mark 12:17} God demands exclusive devotion from me [Mark 12:29-30} that i can't give any other thing. So if they demand my 100% faithfulness, loyalty and honesty as stated in their anthem and pledge please what happens when they ask me to kill whereas God's word (Jesus Christ) say i must love and pray even for my enemies? Matthew 5:43-48

The Hebrew word שׁחה is
transliterated shâchâh,
Pronunced shaw-khaw'
Defined as:
1. to prostrate (especially reflexively in homage to royalty or God);
2. to bow down or fall down flat humbly;
3. to do (make) obeisance or do reverence (worship)

This word is transliterated 99 times to mean worship in the King James Version...(i.e in the Old Testament)

It counterpart in Greek (προσκυνέω)
Transliterated proskuneō,
Pronunced pros--neh'-o
Defined as:
1. to kiss like a dog licking his master´ s hand;
2. to literally or figuratively prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to adore): - worship.

This word is transliterated 60 times to mean worship in the King James Version... ( i.e in the New Testament)

The truth is that worship/ homage/ Obeisance mean the same thing, according to Bible usage! [/quote]

These verses needs to be in thoroughly examined before we can come to agree on the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS otherwise it will just be the same way where you and your friends will be honouring Jesus with your mouth but will not be able to agree on how to do what Jesus commanded: the preaching and teaching campaign! Matthew 28:19-20

oya nauw, let's examine the verses:


*. 1 Peter 1:10 "KJV:Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11
KJV:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."

The above is in agreement with the below:

*. John 1: 10 "KJV: He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not "

AntiChristian:


Did he call himself God?

Yes. When Philip demanded to see/know the Father, Jesus presented Himself as the Father. No other better way to say I am God!

*. John 14 :8 " KJV:Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father , and it sufficeth us.
9
KJV: Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip ? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?" [/quote]

No!

His father allegedly called Himself God many times in the old testament!

For example in Isaiah 45:7, it reads something like: I create light and darkness. I create prosperity and disaster! I the LORD (YAHWEH) did all these things.

And there are other times Yahweh called Himself God.

Jesus never for once. Hence you have to help him.

"His father allegedly called Himself God..."

Ok, you don't even believe the Father!

MaxInDHouse:

READ 1Corinthians 2:16: For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, so that he may instruct him?” But we do have the mind of Christ.
Paul is emphasizing that nobody has ever seen God physically to learn from His character but Jesus (Christ) lived as a human so everyone can learn from the person of the Christ! John 1:18

The CHARACTER (Jesus) doesn't change so read what he taught by thoughts, words and actions and believe for your salvation because that's his personality which will never change. That's the import of the verse you quoted Sir!


Though the two are related but they differs in meaning. For instance the President of your country must be obeyed just as the three Hebrew boys in Babylon were ready to do OBEISANCE to the Nebuchadnezzar as their God commanded {Jeremiah 21:8-10} but then they're not to WORSHIP him, that's why their God sent his angel to protect them because they did just so!



According to Jesus' own speech he (Jesus) has a father who is the same father of all faithful servants of God, and a God who is the God of all faithful servants of God! John 20:17

So if you believe that an organization is wrong for teaching this it's OK i'm just showing you how the word OBEISANCE and WORSHIP correlates but differs in indepth meaning !

Why do your denomination and other denominations are condemning the Catholic church for doing obeisance to Marry?

And why do you refuse to do obeisance to national anthem and national pledge?

But Jesus is God forever and ever. The Bible says His spirit was directing the old prophets...
this means He's existed as GOD before He came to the world:

*. 1 Peter 1:10 "KJV:Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11
KJV:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."

The above is in agreement with the below:

*. John 1: 10 "KJV: He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not"

MaxInDHouse:

You can make anything your god and that's what most people are doing today.
Moses was God {Exodus 7:1} so most Israelites after him revere him as the their saviour since it was recorded that he spoke face to face with their God! Deuteronomy 34:10

In Jesus' case he served as God in the midst of his people in the first century {John 1:1}

The Bible says Jesus the same yesterday, today and forever...

*. Hebrews 13:8 " KJV: Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever ."
which means if He's God yesterday, He's God today and forever He'll be God!

You've admitted Jesus is God!

but his own disciples never worshiped him as God rather they did OBEISANCE to him

Worship is obeisance and vise versa...

This is why your organization don't sing national anthem and national pledge...

The Catholic church said they are doing obeisance to Marry, other denominations say no, it's the same thing ...

But I trust the Watch tower and manipulation are 5&6
Hebrew: שׁחה
Transliteration: shâchâh
Pronunciation: shaw-khaw'
Definition: A primitive root; to {depress} that {is} prostrate (especially reflexively in homage to royalty or God): - bow (self) {down} {crouch} fall down ({flat}) humbly {beseech} do (make) {obeisance} do {reverence} make to {stoop} worship.
KJV Usage: worship (99x), bow (31x), bow down (18x), obeisance (9x), reverence (5x), fall down (3x), themselves (2x), stoop (1x), crouch (1x), misc (3x).
Occurs: 172
In verses: 166

Greek: προσκυνέω
Transliteration: proskuneō
Pronunciation: pros-koo-neh'-o
Definition: From G4314 and probably a derivative of G2965 (meaning to kiss like a dog licking his master´ s hand); to fawn or crouch to that is (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to adore): - worship.
KJV Usage: worship (60x).
Occurs: 65
In verses: 54

which means they subjected themselves to whatever comes out of his mouth in accord with what God commanded the Israelites {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} this was erroneously mistranslated WORSHIP by trinitarians hence people like the OP concluded that Jesus is the God they should worship.

Jesus is God forever and ever:

*. Romans 9:5 "KJV:Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever . Amen."

*. Romans 11:36 " KJV:For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever . Amen."

In his own statements it's clear that someone sent Jesus {John 3:16} and according to Jesus it's that person that deserves to be worshiped! John 20:17

Someone sent His word, and the person word is the person himself!

AntiChristian:


You made him your God.

When I consider all the characteristics of the true God, and He is perfectly fit in, I and sure He's the only true God!

It's said that someone word is the person....

God's word is God...

Jesus is God's word....

Jesus is God!

AntiChristian:
All this extrapolations just to derive that Jesus is God.

A God would never be afraid to tell His creations whom He is.

Jesus can't even say he's God! He never said so.

He's God to me and many others

mynd44, lalasticala....
Happy Sunday to you All

The Bible says He sent His word and heal them, ....

That is, He sent Jesus and heal them
*. Psalms 207:20 "KJV: HE SENT HIS WORD, AND HEALED THEM, and delivered them from their destructions ."

1. The Word of God is God:
*. 1 John 1:1 " KJV:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God ."

# and Jesus is the Word of God, so Jesus is God !

*. John 1:14 "KJV: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

2. the Word of God is the power of God:
*. Jeremiah 10:12 "KJV: , He hath made the earth by his power , he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion."

*. Hebrews 11:3 "KJV:Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

#. and Jesus is the power of God:
*. 1corinthians 1:24 "KJV:But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, CHRIST THE POWER OF GOD , and the wisdom of God."

*. Matthew 22:29 "KJV:Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing scriptures, nor THE POWER OF GOD. "

3. the Word of God is the wisdom of God:
*. Luke 11:49 "KJV: Therefore also said the WISDOM of God , I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute"

#. and Jesus is the wisdom of God:
*. 1corinthians 1:24 "KJV:But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the WISDOM of God. "

4. the Word of God is the light:
*. Job 24:13 "KJV: They are of those that rebel against the LIGHT ; they know not the ways thereof, nor abide in the paths thereof."

*. psalm 119:105 "KJV: Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a LIGHT unto my path."

#. and Jesus is the Light:

*. John 8:12 "KJV:Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the LIGHT of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

*. 1 John 1:5 "KJV:This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is LIGHT, and in him is no darkness at all."

*. Revelations 21:23 "KJV:And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

5. the Word of God is the truth:

*. Psalms 91:4 "KJV:He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: HIS TRUTH shall be thy shield and buckler."

*. psalms 119:142 "KJV:Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth ."
151
KJV:Thou art near, O Lord; and all thy commandments are truth.

#. and Jesus is the truth [b] :

*. John 8: 32 "KJV:And [b] ye shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall make you free. "
Or
KJV:And ye shall know (Jesus),and ( Jesus) shall make you free.

John 17:17 "KJV:Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is TRUTH ."

6. The Word of God is life:

*. Deuteronomy 30:20 "KJV:That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them."

*. Deuteronomy 32:46 "KJV:And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this law.
47
KJV:For it is not a vain thing for you; because it is your life: and through this thing ye shall prolong your days in the land, whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

NOTE: Set your hearts unto all the words...because it is your life:

*. John 11:25 "KJV:Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the LIFE : he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:"

*. John 14:6 "KJV:Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Note! I AM THE LIFE

This is good. But this wicked generation will not like to promote and publicise this reconciliation video....

Christians and non-christians were busy in all social media outlets that time, posting about the happening... only for the purpose of bringing the church and her school down ...

The woman was even encourage to go extra mile on YouTube....

Can the same thing be done now about this settlement?

Maryam1234:

Why not, let's meet on Watsapp sir.

Ok, is the number on your signature your WhatsApp number?

Maryam1234:
I and Mr Richard from Enugu State,A nairalander at Madallah market today.Nice meeting you sir, it's a privilege I won't take for granted.Wishing you journey mercy back home,Chukwu gozie gi.Who says Nigerian youths are not enterprising? Watch out for today's market price update,ciao.

I would like to buy bambara nuts... I'm in ENUGU. Can you be of help?

336. Ufia Benue
343. Utonkong Benue...

These two are supposed to be one. One of the names is referring to the people while the other is referring to their language!

Moreover, I didn't see Efium or Ufium - Ebonyi and Benue

achorladey:


You know when some hear war all they see is people fighting without love. They forget the sense of SELF DEFENSE embedded in war.

Military formations all over the world are built first and foremost for self defense. So I laugh when members of a religious group begin to say...



You will think they are better or different whereas they are not. They equally preach self defense against dangers endangering lives of family, friends and relatives from intruders and invaders which sometimes leads to fight death and killings

Such ones go further to say



We know they don't have to go to war to kill their fellow members. Kill na kill or commit other immoral practices

such ones added



A case of someone that don't understand the meaning of SELF DEFENSE as taught by the religious organization he belongs.

2 Samuel 3 1 - 39 comes to mind. The house of David was in a long War with house of Saul.

You know both are Satan's witnesses and not you know the rest

I remember asking them has Jehovah’s servant ever fought against another Jehovah’s servant since they believe Christians are not expected to go to war? These people go mute.

Benjamin tribe sex scandal comes to mind Judges chapters 19 - 21. Fits this thread that even at war there should be love of enemies. Israelites almost wiped out the Benjamin tribe yet they provide wives for them in order for their numbers to come back like before.

Nairaland na place to learn not just a place to market a religious organization or brag about a religious organization.

" You will think they are better or different whereas they are not. They equally preach self defense against dangers endangering lives of family, friends and relatives from intruders and invaders which sometimes leads to fight death and killings..."

Their hypocrisy stinks...

MaxInDHouse:
Following!

Are those Christians in Ukraine JWs?

You can now see that it's not only JWs that do not fight war...

It's not only JWs that preach the Gospel...

Anonymous11:


It took us more than five years to finally kick a stubborn tenant out of the property last week. It took that long because of some silly circumstances beyond our control, among which are hesitation from our side and delayed court processes, one of which you have mentioned. Such as almost falling into the trap of using illegal means to evict the stubborn tenant. My advice is to seek the advice of a lawyer who specialises in evicting tenants and pursuing that process only. If you do something illegal rather than court proceedings, you will be surprised how you will find yourself in court for illegal house eviction. As this will slow down the court eviction process and gives the tenant legitimate reasons to attack your eviction processes in court. You need to be patient and follow the court guidance only. I repeat only!

Sincerely, the COVID lockdown allows the court proceeding to drag for too long. Ours was long because the stubborn tenant keep appealing the court verdict for no apparent reason. Give and take, if you follow the lawyer's guidance the process should be less than four years. The court eventually gave the eviction notice and the stubborn tenant was kicked out by the court bailiff and policemen. All his stuff was dumped outside the house and even got rained on, later that day. He was thoroughly shamed out of the property.

But did he pay you for the years he's owing?

Dtruthspeaker, how do see this judgement?

MadamVanessa:
Goodmorning Christian brethrens and to all nairalanders.

In today's society, I noticed that people seems to see those who do not go to church regularly as not being serious with their heavenly race and salvation of soul and this makes it look like one salvation of soul is tied down to going to church regularly.

I am one of such person that do not like going to church at all, but I believe so much in God and I know I am not the only one in this. This problem is faced by so many people in the world.

So is there anything wrong in one not going to church regularly but believe in God within himself or herself and try his or her best in doing the thing that pleases God.

Lalasticlala

Well. The way I have always understood this matter is:
The church services or church attendance is like a school attendance.....

I mean, in religion it's called church. In accedemy it's called school....

Now, if you should use the same question for your accedemy, what will be your answer...

What I'm saying is if your child ask you
" Mummy, is there anything wrong if I don't attend classes in the school? I'm doing my studying in the house...

*. Hebrews 10:25 " KJV: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."

*. Leviticus 8:4 " KJV:And Moses did as the Lord commanded him; and the assembly was gathered together unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation"

Our God commands that His children be gathered before Him from time to time!

*. Proverbs 9:12 " KJV: if thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself: but if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it ."

This is for antichristian and co

*. Daniel 4:25 " KJV:That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will "

This is for Bihari and Putin

*. John 3:16 "KJV: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life ."

This is for all living!

By the end of this war the "one world government" will be established. They wanted to use COVID-19 to achieve the aim but it fail...

Note that the New World Order is going to be achieved after multiple global deaths
- making all nations of the earth to desire a solution.
This will eventually bring in the man of knowledge ( the Antichrist) to rule the world. And he'll actually bring in temporal peace to the world.

This killing is going to spread across the globe...
But our final salvation is now nearer than when we 1st believe!

Jesus is the solution....!

22jumpstreet:
The Enuma Elish preceded the Bible by more than a thousand year. The jews got these materials from the trade routes.

Christianity started as the worship of serapis in Egypt.
Some people still worshipped horus as the son, isis asthe mother and Osiris as the father. The serapis Cult was created by ptolomy the first. He was the first pharaoh of Greek decent...he wanted to unify the Greek belief and the Egyptians. He came up with serapis...which isbasically horus and apis combined to form one deity. Serapis had a man's head rather than the animal head the egptian gods had.

At the Council of Ephesus,in 430 BC . serapis became Jesus. The rest is history...

The jews still worship their God. With no associates, after 2000+ years. They still hold their ground..

What is the meaning of BC above?

MaxInDHouse:


Because any other word you choose can well replace an ORGANIZED PEOPLE WORSHIPING their God just as Jesus prayed for:

“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me! John 17:20-23

Compare to


In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Hmm!

So you can use any other word suitable enough from your reasoning to replace that, we used it as the term that best describes an ORGANIZED global family of peace loving worshipers

Just like Catholic Women Organisation - "ORGANIZED global family of peace loving women"

Therefore we don't preach organization unlike you people who keeps preaching trinity and saying it's a mystery!

you particularly have been preaching the organisation:

You need more knowledge.
Each generation Satan keeps people in spiritual bondage, The Pharisees only need to acknowledge God's only begotten Son in their midst but arrogance becloud their reasoning. Today you only need to acknowledge Jesus' brothers {Matthew 25:31-46} mind you Jesus said your salvation is attached to acknowledging them, failure to acknowledge them means Jesus will deny you in the day of Judgment.
So try to know today who are Christ's brothers? smiley
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Check the link below to see where I quote you from

https://www.nairaland.com/6001666/what-preach/1#92712383

MaxInDHouse:


A secret is explainable so the NWT often used that word "SACRED SECRETS" instead of "MYSTERY"
If anyone should ask you to explain your trinity God now you will end up saying "it's a MYSTERY" so your listener just have to accept it even when he can't grasp or teach others.
But SACRED SECRETS are revealed to few (according to Jesus) and it's this few that will have to TEACH others for them to know the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of the SACRED SECRETS.

So if my God is unexplainable then whoever refuse to accept such a God is not at fault after all i can't expect them to leave their former god (that's mysterious) only to bring them a replacement that's also mysterious!

By the way, I'm still interested in:

*. Matthew 16:18 "NWT: Also, I say to you: You are Peter,+ and on this rock+ I will build my congregation, and the gates of the Grave* will not overpower it."
*. Matthew 16:18 "KJV:And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
@underlined which one is not correct...?
1. my organisation of Jehovah's witnesses
2. my congregation of Jehovah's witnesses
3. my church of Jehovah's witnesses
4. my church
You can compare/ check other verses with the word church below:
Matthew 18:17; Acts 2:47; 5:11; 7:38; 8:1,3... and so on.

Why do we not have the word organisation in any of the version?

I asked to KNOWMORE !

I have often heard you and your brothers saying the following words are not in the Holy Scriptures: Bible, rapture, etc. Recently you said that the word mystery is not in your version...

MaxInDHouse:


Do you truthfully want to KNOWMORE?

Let's reason like real intellectuals here!

Remember our discussion never started with the word (MYSTERY) there's a concept you and i wanted to figure out which is the TRINITY that can't be found anywhere in the Bible yet it's the Hallmark of your faith. The reason why you brought in the word "MYSTERY" is to make up for this anonymous "TRINITY" therefore it's like using one thing to cover for another.
So in a nutshell instead of preaching and teaching what TRINITY is, the interpreters of the version you're carrying want to use the word MYSTERY to shy away!

Please how do you think
"Something secret or unexplainable; an unknown"
Is sufficient enough to make up for what Jesus actually commanded his disciples to go out there to PREACH and TEACH? Matthew 28:19-20

I agreed with the Watchtower's interpretation because MYSTERY is not mentioned otherwise to continue preaching zealously and teaching industriously will be a challenge.
Perhaps that's why only the JWs are globally known for their confidence and consistency in doing exactly what Jesus commanded: going to meet people in their homes {Matthew 10:11-13} while all the others randomly talk in buses, market places and street corners {Matthew 12:19} instead of boldly speaking with people one on one! Malachi 3:16

*. Mark 4 11 "NWT: He said to them: “To you the sacred secret + of the Kingdom of God has been given, but to those outside all things are in illustrations,+"

"KJV:And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:"

Check @ highlightes and verse above. You posted that mystery means secret... and you can see it in your version but you turn around and said it's not found


it's like saying " no JW in NL forum, but Max is there and Max is a member of JW"

Response 3 to kobojunkie

"In John 10, which you ignorantly quoted from, Jesus Christ informs you that He alone is Shepherd over His sheep. So how can you ignore that to continue proclaiming this foolishness about your pastors instead being Shepherds over God's own sheep?

Jesus Christ makes He's obedient followers everything He is. Example:

1. He's a King; He's followers are Kings

*. Revelation 1:6 "KJV:And (He) hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."

*. Matthew 2:2 "KJV:Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews ? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.*

2. He's the light of the world; He's followers are the Lights of the World

*. Matthew 5:14 "KJV: Ye are the light of the world . A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid."

*. John 9:5 "KJV:As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

3. He's a Shepherd; He's followers are the shepherds

*. John 21:15 "KJV:So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs .
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KJV:He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
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KJV:He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep ."

4. He's an Evangelist; He's followers are evangelists,

Luke 10:3 "KJV:Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as LAMBS among wolves.


*. Matthew 10:16 "KJV:Behold, I send you forth as SHEEP in the midst of wolves : be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."

*. John 20:21 "21 "KJV:Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: [ b] as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you [/b]."

5. and so on...

NOTE the word LAMBS in Luke 10:3 above and tell me - are they the sinners or the Saints?

@ kobojunkie more Bible quotes for pastoring and teaching:

*. Ephesians 4:11 "KJV:And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
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KJV:For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

*. Acts 20:28 "KJV:Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God , which he hath purchased with his own blood."

Any time you see the word: flock, sheep or lambs...
it's talking about the church and the meaning of the word church [b] is [b] the called out people

Greek: ἐκκλησία
Transliteration: ekklēsia
Pronunciation: ek-klay-see'-ah
Definition: From a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out that is (concretely) a popular meeting especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both): - assembly church.
KJV Usage: church (115x), assembly

Kobojunkie:
You didn't answer my question. What has Jesus Christ's commandments "feed my lambs" -A- to do with teaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God to those who are in the world - B?

What has A to do with B?

It's clear from Mani of your replies/ posts that you may be having comprehension difficulties...

I've clearly answered the question: my sheep, according to Jesus Christ refers to the people who believe in Him

The world are never referred to as His sheep...

the sheep is the church... read my post again
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I read through your post and I could not find any explanation of feed my lambs, feed my sheep and feed the church of God.

Moreover I believe you have now understood that the word pastor means shepherd
... and the duty of shepherd is to take care of the sheep...

You've also understood that the believers in Christ Jesus are His sheep!

*. John 10:14 "KJV:I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep , and am known of mine.
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KJV: But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep , as I said unto you.
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KJV: My sheep hear my voice , and I know them, and they follow me:"

NOTE "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep"
meaning the believers in Christ Jesus are His sheep!

In John 10, which you ignorantly quoted from, Jesus Christ informs you that He alone is Shepherd over His sheep. So how can you ignore that to continue proclaiming this foolishness about your pastors instead being Shepherds over God's own sheep?

You will continue to have comprehension issues until you properly humble yourself under a pastor or priest to help you out.

Our pastors, priests and scollars are doing wonderfully and God bless them more and more.

But I pray nobody falls a victim of being a learner undei your teaching.

He that cannot be taught should not teach!...

MaxInDHouse:
This is how people who don't want others to question their interpretation rendered it they deliberately use the word MYSTERY to hinder gullible people from questioning their interpretation.

Which of your questions have not been answered or who prevented you from asking questions...

In my own Bible there is nothing like MYSTERY otherwise i won't have believed what i can't explain!

Your Bible have many things missing, you are programmed to accept whatever Watch Tower tell you...

I suppose that the NWT ( New World Transmission) is your preferred version...
the word organisation is not replaced for the word church in the version (i. e the NWT)
yet you accept it...

Let's see from the Bible:

*. Matthew 16:18 "NWT: Also, I say to you: You are Peter,+ and on this rock+ I will build my congregation, and the gates of the Grave* will not overpower it."

*. Matthew 16:18 "KJV:And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

@underlined which one is not correct...?

1. my organisation of Jehovah's witnesses

2. my congregation of Jehovah's witnesses

3. my church of Jehovah's witnesses

4. my church

You can compare/ check other verses with the word church below:

Matthew 18:17; Acts 2:47; 5:11; 7:38; 8:1,3... and so on.

My point is that I don't see any genuine reason for not accepting the word mystery simply because it is not in your Bible
because the word organisation is not there also although you accept it!

MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted is enough to tell what trinity is MYSTERY.

Oxford dictionary:

"Something secret or unexplainable; an unknown"

I can't believe (trust) what i can't EXPLAIN to others when Jesus ordered his followers to go and preach and teach {Matthew 28:19-20} i'm sure he wasn't talking about what they can't explain!

Let's see what the Bible says about mystery :


*. Mark 4:11 " KJV:And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the MYSTERY of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:"

*. Romans 11:25 "KJV:For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this MYSTERY , lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."

*. Romans 16:25 "KJV:Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the MYSTERY, which was kept secret since the world began,"

*. 1 Corinthians 2: 7 "KJV:But we speak the wisdom of God in a MYSTERY , even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:"

*. Ephesians 3:3 "KJV:How that by revelation he made known unto me the MYSTERY ; (as I wrote afore in few words,
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KJV:Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the MYSTERY of Christ )
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KJV: And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:"

*. Colossians 2:2 "KJV:That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the MYSTERY of God, and of the Father, and of Christ

*. 1 Timothy 3: 16 "KJV: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. "

Note! The post you quote said Trinity is a revealed mystery
and the verses above have proven it to be so

@underlined, the Word of God is awesome!!!

Halleluiah...!!!! Amen!!!