₦airaland Forum

true2god:
You guys are doing well trying to cure these watchtower insanities.

No be small thing oo

"Today, the eight men of the Governing Body functions as a government for JW with unlimited power. They have the power over the doctrines, the assets, and the money, and their words and decisions cannot be questioned. This is a situation that violates a number of Bible principles."

Yet they are the same people accusing other religious bodies of the same thing...

their ordeals is still warming up...it has not started!

This is the kind of question I like... making people to run helter skelter...

The people who have been trying to give answers have not considered the whole statement in the book of Genesis - created in God's image after His likeness (similitude)....

*. Genesis 1:26 "KJV: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness : and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
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KJV: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him ; male and female created he them."

The question is "are human spirits... consider Jesus Christ also who is said to be the express image of the Father?"

achorladey:
Why did the Father love or have affection for christendom and not Jehovah’s witnesses since Jesus Christ is talking to christendom and not to Jehovah’s witnesses in John 16:27?

Awon all scriptures is inspired of God people whom Jesus is not talking to in John 16:27

He'll not understand...

Janosky:
Oga , please assimilate this:
"OBEY THE FIRST COMMANDMENT",
LOVE JEHOVAH' WITH YOUR WHOLE HEART...". Mark 12:30, Jesus Christ is talking to you.

Sons of disobedience everywhere pretending to be Christian

*. John 12:26 "KJV:If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour."

Serve Jesus and you'll be alright...

achorladey:
Last na regimented kind of thinking legislating how to love the FATHER and JESUS . and the regimented idiot and deception peddler bows to the desires of those who regiment his thinking.

Show me where the Bible says

We must attach neither too much nor too little importance to our love for Jesus.

When we tell una anything you do in Jesus name is to the glory of God the FATHER na so so TUEH TUEH TUEH. I no dey surprised when you call them DOGHEADS, I expect nothing less

Abeg Omicron virus still dey reduce your spits or use handkerchiefs

".. When we tell una anything you do in Jesus name is to the glory of God the FATHER na so so TUEH TUEH TUEH. I no dey surprised when you call them DOGHEADS,..."

Last last you submit to the fact that your religious organisation badmouth others about the same thing your very religious organization you belong does

Oh, how I wish they can assimilate these!

HardMirror:
Just so you know and perhaps you can think...

1. No single evidence for creationism
2. There are thousands of evidence that supports evolution.
3. Creationism teaches that life came from nothing, yet creationists keep asking where life started with evolution?

There is absolutely no reason to believe a god created life and no evidence for it.

if you have evidence or superior arguement that supports creationism over evolution tell us, cause no one in the world has so far presented any evidence that life was created
Happy Sunday

Maybe we should 1st know (your understanding of) what is:
1. Evidence
2. Creation and
3. Evolution

Homeboiy:
Op you dey talk nonsense

You know how much we paid to learn the work

With drinks wey follow am

I don unclip screen of tab 3 , then clip am back

Collect 15k.

No be charity organization we de run

You don even ask how many times we pay people back

I change screen for person on Monday, on Tuesday afternoon e show white

I had to buy another screen of 14k for the person

Because he no go wan hear story

No justification,it's wrong to charge people (high price) for a minor fault

matrix199:
Well, the engineer runs a business venture, not an NGO. The same man might be charging his clients, customers, or patients exorbitant fees. Cycle of life!

No justification - it's wrong to charge people (high price) for a minor fault

Joysticks:
My nephew carelessly pressed the sleep button on the tv in our house.The screen went blank but the red power on button was showing when I switched on the tv.I tried all techniques to make it turned on but it didn't.So I took it to a tv repairer.He charged me #1500 and asked me to come back the next day.After repairing it I took it home.
As i was using the remote to search for channels.I mistakenly pressed the sleep button and the tv went blank but the red light power button was on.I pressed the sleep button again the tv screen came up.That was how I knew that nothing serious happened to my tv.

One tv repairer continued to charge me bmoney on this until one of his apprentices told me the secret privately - it's wrong to charge people (high price) for a minor fault...no justification

MaxInDHouse:
It's a good thing that you want to KNOW MORE so just be patient {1Corinthians 13:4} and keep on asking! Matthew 7:7-8

*. 1 Corinthians 13:4 "KJV:Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up"

*. Matthew 7:7-8 "KJV:Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
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KJV:For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."

My questions below:

1. Who is the Holy Spirit?
2. had He ever been in/with the Watch Tower?
3. where is He now?
4. are you a child of God or a friend of God?

MaxInDHouse:
Are you still contemplating cooling their thirst?
Well this is what father Abraham said to their kind:

"Child, remember that you had your fill of good things in your lifetime, but Lazʹa·rus for his part received bad things. Now, however, he is being comforted here, but you are in anguish. And besides all these things, a great chasm has been fixed between us and you, so that those who want to go over from here to you cannot, neither may people cross over from there to us"Luke 16:25-26
It's the great chasm fixed between Lazarus's kind and numerous groups of Rich man's brothers {Luke 16:27-28} that's making them see us on the mountain top {Matthew 5:14-16} while all of them are so ashamed of declaring their church publicly they're all running for cover {Revelations 6:16} even a blind man can tell that there is no unity among the churches of Christendom {Luke 11:23} so when they say they belong to Christ it's obvious their Jesus is not that one who is lawful! Matthew 7:21-23

1. Who is the Holy Spirit?
2. had He ever been in/with the Watch Tower?
3. where is He now?
4. are you a child of God or a friend of God?

Janosky:
Numbers 11:17,25,JEHOVAH NEVER shared himself to 70 men.

JEHOVAH God,the owner of holy spirit says you are confused.

.

Who is the Holy Spirit?

They make up things for their followers...
They don't understand Who the Holy Spirit is...

Which kind wahala be this?

tctrills:
I refuse to join in a fight I know nothing about.
I believe any one is free to join or leave any organization. I don't know any of you in person or outside nairaland. So it would be wrong of me to dapple into your beef.
My role here is to engage in discussion. Whoever says what, does not matter. I am only interested in what was said not who said it. If today someone post bad stuff about your church without any evidence, I would be against such person. I have done it in the past. But what do you want me to do when someone is posting evidence and has a really strong case and lots of evidence he is quoting from your organization.
You and your friend Janosky are the ones guilty to posting evil of other organizations without any evidence. You called the Catholic Church the antichrist and Janosky claims that there are divisions in the Catholic Church and the Mormon church. When I asked him for evidence, he stopped replying me.

"...someone is posting evidence and has a really strong case and lots of evidence he is quoting from your organization."

The same way they become blind and deaf to Bible evidences...

All the options that can help/encourage Nigerians to stay/remain as one indivisible state are thrown out....

Enough of each region suspecting another region. Let's go our separate ways in peace...

I used to hate people demanding for separate/sovereign state... but never again.

Where is the CONFAB agreement?

May the Almighty God grant Biafra State.

purples25:
Everyone is scared of dying and going to hell. I don't believe those here who laugh about it like they don't care. Time and time again, I have seen people who 'live their lives' and 'don't care' rejoicing when they succeed or have an opportunity to change their lives. This is how people will confidently lead one to hell, but then they will turn back and save themselves. I'm talking about human nature as regards this hell and heaven case.

Those who say they don't believe in hell, there is no God...they are scared too. I'm no longer deceived by their fake confidence. Let them get old or on the brink of death, or let them even manage to discipline themselves to follow God.... You will see that they will be holier than you and even condemn you.Those who say they don't believe in hell, there is no God...they are scared too

"...Those who say they don't believe in hell, there is no God...they are scared too..."

Very true...

Kobojunkie:
Wrong! In the Kingdom of God which Jesus Christ brought to us, Hell is simply a reference to the eternal damnation which awaits the goats in His flock.

Hell fire - the eternal fire prepared for the devil, his angels and All who have obeyed him(the devil)...

emphasis on ALL, not some!

*. Revelations 21:8 "KJV:But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

*. Matthew 25:41 "KJV:Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"


NOTE "...everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"

goslowgoslow:
Ok then all of us will go to hell.

How about hell fire?

When Jesus shall come those who meet the requirements shall not die!

There's no Hell fire for those who truly believe in Jesus' death and resurrection...

Accept Him as your Lord and Saviour so that you don't go to hell fire!

*. Matthew 25:31 "KJV: When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
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KJV:And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
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KJV:And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

NOTE! When the Son of man shall come in his glory...he shall separate them one from another...

* John 11:25 "KJV:Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live :
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KJV:And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

...he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live...Believest thou this?"

capnies:
WHAT DOES HELL MEAN?

Hell is the home/abode of the soul/spirit departed...

Hell is also called the land of the spirit/dead.
In the land of the spirit, the spirits of just men and women are separated from the spirits of wicked ones...

the land of the living is the earth!

*. Psalm 27:13 "KJV:I had fainted, unless I had believed to see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living - earth.

Proverbs 21:16 "KJV:The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead - hell."

goslowgoslow:
Lol...olodo doomsday christians that always turn Bible upside down. Where is that written in your Bible? By the way what is hell?

Lol.. By the way what is hell?

Hell is the home/abode of the soul/spirit departed...

Hell is also called the land of the spirit/dead .
In the land of the spirit, the spirits of just men and women are separated from the spirits of wicked ones...

the land of the living is the earth!

*. Psalm 27:13 "KJV:I had fainted, unless I had believed to see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living - earth.

Proverbs 21:16 "KJV:The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead - hell."

*. Psalm 143:10 "KJV:Teach me to do thy will; for thou art my God: thy spirit is good; lead me into the land of uprightness - Paradise."

*. Hebrews 12:23 "KJV:To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,"

to the general assembly...to the spirits of just men made perfect
The place where these spirits of just men are is called Paradise!

goslowgoslow:
Lol...olodo doomsday christians that always turn Bible upside down. Where is that written in your Bible? By the way what is hell?

Where is that written in your Bible

(6) Being ashamed to walk with your Bible on the road can lead you to hell....

some people are ashamed to carry the hard copy of the word of God.

*. Mark 8:38 "KJV: Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels."

backnbeta:
Not saying you are right or wrong, but it'll be better to back it up with a Bible verse or two each.

cutecommend:
Tribal or racial hatred: Things like "I hate Fulani people, I hate igbo people, I hate Yoruba people, I hate so so people" will surely take you to hell...You can dislike certain acts or behaviors of a tribe, but it is ungodly to hate people of a tribe

. - Matthew 5:43-46;

(2) Enjoying other people's evil act: Do you know you can enjoy someone's lie, someone's fornication, someone's deception, someone's wicked act etc.. Though you didn't commit it, but the fact you enjoyed or found pleasure in what the person did will take you to hell ..

*. Romans 1:32 "KJV:Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them (evils)."

(3) Insincerity: Things like you telling someone to fill your name in a list of those present for a meeting, when you are absent will take you to hell....Things like putting early time in office register when actually you came late will take you to hell....

This number 3 is act of telling lies... people tell lies by writing or false amount of money on receipt - you bought goods ₦20K, receipt is showing ₦30K; you are going to market and you little child wants to go with you, you tell him you just want to great neighbour...

Remember! ALL LIARS not some liars shall have their part in the...

*. Revelations 21:8 "KJV:But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

(4) Worldly music: Worldly can be enticing and sweet to the ear, but know this that if you are enjoying worldly music when Jesus comes, you are going no where with Jesus

*. James 4:4 "KJV:Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God."

*. 1john 2:15 "KJV: Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
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KJV:For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world."

(5) Not Confessing: If you steal from someone, and you tell God to forgive you, He will forgive you. But if God ministers to you to go and return what you stole back to the owner and you refuse, you won't make heaven...Same: If you slept with your EX few days before wedding day, or you committed adultery, and God ministers to you to confess it to your partner. If you disobey, you will not make heaven..

This is called restitution. A repentant sinner don't continue to use what he's stolen.
*. Philemon 1:18 "KJV: If he hath wronged thee, or oweth thee ought, put that on mine account;
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KJV:I Paul have written it with mine own hand, I will repay it: albeit I do not say to thee how thou owest unto me even thine own self besides."

Onesimus have to go back to his master to right his wrong after conversion...

(6) Being ashamed to walk with your Bible on the road can lead you to hell....

Actually it's strange but true, some people are ashamed to carry the hard copy of the word of God.

*. Mark 8:38 "KJV: Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels."

goslowgoslow:
Number 6 is thrash. Is it a must to carry Bible in the hand? Western religion..

That number 6, what did he say?

1. if you don't carry your Bible in your hand you'll go to hell;
or
2. if you are ashamed to carry your Bible in your hand you'll go to hell

Sheunma:
Hell is overrated.

How do you come to this conclusion?

ishowdotgmail:
It was a momentous day today in Lagos in honour of Chief Bisi Akande and which the president of the federation H.E President Muhammadu Buhari was hosted along sides the Senate President, Dr. Ahmed Lawan and other dignitaries.

All roads to the much anticipated 2023 general presidential election on who to succeed President Muhammad Buhari after the end of his tenure. Among the notable figure whose intention to hold the mantle of the number one position in the country is Former Governor of Lagos and the National chairman of the All Progressive Congress (APC) Asiwaju Bola Tinubu.

Here you can see president Buhari admiring Tinubu while walking past.

What do you think the President is having running through his mind?

.

"...Among the notable figure whose intention to hold the mantle of the number one position in the country is Former Governor of Lagos and the National chairman of the All Progressive Congress (APC) Asiwaju Bola Tinubu."

May the Almighty God forbid it!

My Bible has this to say:

if you had done well, won't you could have been accepted, but if you have done badly there's still opportunity to correct yourself!

If people who were shouting "Sai baba" few days ago turned out to be shouting the opposite... oga, check yourself!

*. Genesis 4:7 "KJV: If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."

Sunday school topic: daily Christian service Romans 12:1-25.

Memory Verse/ key verse:
*. Romans 12:1 "KJV:I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

jesusjnr2020:
I would like to ask people as the Op where they get this idea of "forget" from.

If it's from the Bible, they should just give a verse, because I have never seen any in the Bible. All I see is forgive, but it seems men are inclined to complicate things for themselves.

God says man should forgive, man adds forget to what God says making things even more difficult for himself.
God never said anyone should forget but forgive, because it may be impossible to forget what someone did, but to forgive is always possible.
For instance, how can Jesus forget what men did to Him which He was on Earth, when He has the scars to always remind Him?
He has forgiven all those who did that to Him, and He proved it by praying to the Father to also forgive them.

But the fact remains that even though He's truly forgiven them, it's impossible for Him to forget.

So don't worry about the forgetting part which is man-made, but just sincerely forgive men their trespasses against you, as God commanded us to do, and it shall be well with you.
God bless.

"...But the fact remains that even though He's truly forgiven them, it's impossible for Him to forget..."

Well, I think what I understand by FORGIVE AND FORGET is that you don't make reference to the wrong done to you by the time the same person might have done you another wrong at another time.

Wrong doer: please forgive me...
You: the other day this was what you did, I forgave you. Today you've done another one, let me tell you: if you know how to replace and renew this things, just do that without wasting time!

Remembering it will make it difficult for you to forgive the person especially when he wrong you severally...

Simply put: don't keep records of wrongs done to you either in your heart or in a book!

God bless you!

*. Matthew 18:21 "KJV:Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
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KJV:Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven."

God1000:
Look Mr man I don't have time for this disputation.
Please carefully read here

BIOGRAPHY OF AGABAIDU ABRAHAM AJENE OKPABI,
The second Och’Idoma of Idomaland (1960-1995)

His Royal Highness, Agabaidu Abraham Ajene Okpabi, Och’Idoma II was born in 1924 in Ito district of present day Obi Local Government Area of Benue State.

HRH, Ajene Okpabi attended Idoma Metropolitan Primary School Otukpo (now Methodist Central Primary School Otukpo) between 1932 and 1940 where his leadership qualities were first noticed and he was made Head Boy in his final year in primary school.

After leaving primary school, HRH Ajene Okpabi worked as a health worker until 1952 when at the age of 28, he was appointed the Okwubi (district head) of Ito.
With this appointment, he also became the President of the Idoma Native Authority (NA) Area Court in Ito District. His reign as Okwubi was popular with Idoma NA administration as this period was renowned for growth in tax collection, commerce and primary education within Ito district.

As a reward for his sterling leadership as Okwubi, in 1954 the Idoma NA made it possible for Ajene Okpabi to attend administrative courses and then appointed him to their Executive Council where at different times; he served as Councillor in charge of Judiciary, Prisons, Finance and Police. And in 1956, Ajene Okpabi’s political profile was further elevated when he was elected into the first Northern Nigeria House of Assembly which was set-up to prepare Northern Nigeria politically for the impending independence of Nigeria from Britain.

In 1960, Ajene Okpabi’s life was to change forever. Following the death of his father in-law, the Och’Idoma I, HRH Ogiri Oko , 22 district heads within Idoma NA met and chose Ajene Okpabi as Och’Idoma II and was officially given his staff of office by Queen Elizabeth II.

His selection as Och’Idoma was met with objections from some quarters and these objections were based on the belief that the Igedes are not Idomas and as such someone considered a “stranger” should not ascend the throne of Och’Idoma.

Despite the early challenges, the leader in Ajene Okpabi saw him overcome them and he would go on to reign for 35 years. During this time, he was awarded two national honours: the Order of the Federal Republic (OFR) and Commander of Order of Niger (CON).

His mediatory qualities was called upon during the Nigerian Civil War in the late 1960s when he was made a member of the Consultative Assembly of Leaders of Thought, a group that worked towards resolving the crisis between Nigeria and Biafra.

In 1970, the office of the Och’Idoma was upgraded to a first class chief by the then Benue Plateau State Government. This upgrade was seen by most observers as a clear indication of the prestige brought to the Och’Idoma position by Ajene Okpabi.

In 1994, just as in the 1960s, Ajene Okpabi was one of the 13 eminent people from Benue State selected to be members of the National Constitutional Conference (NCC) which was constituted by then Military Government to help resolve the political impasse created by the annulment of the June 12 1993 presidential election. While at the NCC, he continued to champion the cause of Idoma people by leading the agitation for the creation of Apa State.

Ajene Okpabi throughout his reign was a father figure to all Idoma people, providing much needed guidance in matters of Idoma tradition and always remained neutral in the different disputes in Idomaland.

Ajene Okpabi died in 1995.

And yet you did not mention him when you gave names of some prominent igede sons and daughters.....

I was actually reading the post thinking you might deny he's an igede, well...

The idoma people must be very friendly and brotherly to have considered igede as idoma while igede is the opposite....

The idoma people don't kill igede as the tiv do - idoma people, I love you guys!

OLAADEGBU:
Am a member of both the local and invisible Church. Deeper Life being the local and the body of Christ the invisible. Jw has no leg to stand on.

Where have you been all this while?