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FRANCISTOWN:
You already answered your own question. Tizizist, is not a concept of believe or a non believe.
It basically just a word.
And I simply did not understand, therefore I have a non-understanding of the word. I lack the understanding of the word.

Theism is a believe in deities, and babies simply do not understand deities. Therefore, they have a "non-believe" of that believe . They lack the believes in what they do not understand. Simply atheism.

There is no difference between tizizi and deity except that Tizizi is behind you right now but invincible.

You say tizizi is just a word but so is diety and until the child is acquainted with the concepts they signify you can’t just slap any label on them.
Theism is a belief in a deity, but you have to be aware of the concept of deity before you can be a theist, polytheist, or atheist. You not also do not need belief or non belief when you can just dismiss the concept as rubbish after understanding it.

To use your criteria again, this is how children see all concepts they are unaware of:

You already answered your own question. Deity, is not a concept of believe or a non believe to a child.
It basically just a word.
And they simply did not understand, therefore they have a non-understanding of the word. They lack the understanding of the word.

Do you have belief or non belief in Tizizi? Or do you acknowledge that it’s something I made up?

Once you can understand that, you can move beyond atheism or claiming others are atheists when they say they are not.

FRANCISTOWN:
Lol! What's that supposed to mean?

Which is what anyone who doesn’t have an idea of god would say. Or like very young children say” what is that?”
You wouldn’t call such a person atheist.

Or we can just apply your criteria:
You cannot believe in what you do not have an idea of. Babies do not have an idea of the concept of Tizizi. Therefore, they are not tizizists. And atizizist simply means "Not-a-tizizist"

FRANCISTOWN:
It's not even a topic worthy of debate. Every child is born non-theist

Every child is born non-tizizist.

taiwiki:
An ukrainian child wielded a gun. The world celebrated her a freedom fighter. Israel train their little children to wield guns also.

But una hypocrisy and hatred of islam won't ever let you see all those ones.

Their hypocrisy is indeed mind blowing. I’m not surprised about the depravity of Jews, given the supremacist nature of Judaism, but their sycophants take the cake!!!

FRANCISTOWN:
You cannot believe in what you do not have an idea of. Babies do not have an idea of the concept of a God. Therefore, they are not theists. And atheist simply means "Not-a-thiest"

That is quite a broad definition. But whatever.

FRANCISTOWN:
People who don't have even the littlest idea about the concept of God or deities are also called atheists.

How can they be atheist when they don’t have any idea of the concept? You might as well call them “unawakened theists”.

FRANCISTOWN:
budaatum was actually right when she said the below.



Anyone who has no idea about the concept of gods/deities is also an atheist.

There are different categories under atheism.
There is igtheism,
Apatheism,
Agnostic atheism, just like budaatum and yourself.
There is antitheist atheism. e.tc.

Therefore, everyone is born an atheist.

You have to have knowledge about the concept before you can call yourself any of the above.

I’m not agnostic atheist, whatever that means.

budaatum:
Was born an atheist, and was not indoctrinated into believing in gods at an early age, and was taught about them instead.

How were you an atheist before you were taught about gods?!

budaatum:
I do not believe nor disbelieve in the existence of gods because I know gods do not exist.

I share an identical position.

budaatum:
I was born an atheist, and after encountering those who believe in gods and then researching gods myself, I discovered all gods were created by human beings.

I think this opinion does not make sense in light of the previous one. No one is born an atheist, theist, pantheist, or any other xxxtheist.
A child doesn’t know of anything called god until the concept is introduced.

sonmvayina:
a personal relationship with insanity...

You point one finger but there are three more pointing back at you.

Born again?! I pity the woman that has to pass that big ass head out of her vagina.

nairalanda1:


The pregnant Barbie doll has long since been exposed as a fake story

Claims of a pregnant doll originated on a satirical website

You expect these clowns to know that?

kkins25:
I don't think a mad man is mad on purpose. 😂😂😂. Let's not forget this are people who believe their daddy GOs can repair damaged womb.

I’ve stopped treating them as equals but as the delusional people they actually are.

geoworldedu:
Earth has even improved far more with AI, the heavens are still using horses and golden candlesticks with incense.

Don’t forget that the magic Jew will come back riding a horse. Imagine riding a horse past the ISS. .

Shimran:
Yes.

Just like a thief attacking his victim claiming that it's just a self defence against the victim

The Jews learned that from their depraved religion. After reading enough of their Bible, nothing they do surprises me. I wouldn’t trust or deal with one for any reason.
Some people who see the Nazi-like nature of these Jews blame Zionism. But there would be no Zionism without the nonsense called Judaism.

I just hope you have evidence, such as receipts, that you’ve been paying the seller. Just in case. I hate to see hard work be rewarded with fraudulent behavior.

NairaLTQ:
This is your answer to my questions?

Question:
1. A Meteor and a Ball Pen, which is more complex?
2. Tell me, what is the function or purpose of a meteor?

Ask your simple uncaused first cause for the answer.

NairaLTQ:
Many times you dont listen to yourself before you speak

Question:
A Meteor and a Ball Pen, which is more complex?

You’re a very funny guy.

You’re very funny guy!!!!

NairaLTQ:
Yes, Complexities must have a Cause!
Meteors are simple projectiles moving in their orbits: they are not complex

Atoms are complex
Cells are complex
The Eye Ball
Living things are complex
Airplanes are complex
A Ball Pen is complex
A Computer is complex

WHY?: They consist of several interdependent systems to function

Lmao. This is divine comedy.
Since complexities requires a cause, the “uncaused first cause” must be very simple. No?

He says meteors are not complex but atoms are.
I wonder if astrophysicists are aware of “atomless meteors!
Atomless eyes, atomless cells, atomless dick of the Holy Spirit!

Fvck!

LordReed:
Unfortunately the Christians do not take that particular lesson at all; they seem to internalise some kinda hatred for the universe, they want it remade so badly they think their deaths will usher them to it.

That’s how their overseers control them.

jaephoenix:
Now one defense christians have to say their own brand of god created the earth is the complexity of the universe and intelligent design.
1.Now the problem here is this. You cannot say an object is complex without comparing it to a less or more complex model. How do we know our universe is not a very rudimentary and poorly created model? What are we comparing it to?
Also the human body is said to be intelligently designed but I can tell you for free that its poorly made.
A. The trachea (windpipe) and esophagus (food pipe) open into the same space, the pharynx, which extends from the nose and mouth to the larynx (voice box). To keep food out of the trachea, a leaf-shaped flap called the epiglottis reflexively covers the opening to the larynx whenever you swallow. Now this causes food to regularly enter the lungs and this phenomenon called aspiration is one of the common cause of death in babies. I can't count the number of babies rushed into the ER where the mother was breastfeeding and slept off leaving the baby to choke on breast milk.
B. Misrouted recurrent laryngeal nerve (RLN) plays a vital role in our ability to speak and swallow. It feeds instructions from the brain to the muscles of the voice box, or larynx, below the vocal cords. Theoretically, the trip should be a quick one. But during fetal development, the RLN gets entwined in a tiny lump of tissue in the neck, which descends to become blood vessels near the heart

C.7. A backward retina. The photoreceptor cells in the retina of the eye are like microphones facing backward. This design forces light to travel the length of each cell, as well as through blood and tissue, to reach the equivalent of a receiver on the cell’s backside. The setup may encourage the retina to detach from its supporting tissue—a leading cause of blindness. It also creates a blind spot where cell fibers, akin to microphone cables, converge at the optic nerve—making the brain refill the hole.
D. Exposed testicles. Problem: A man’s life-giving organs hang vulnerably outside the body. This is kinda daft cos it may be crushed by even a wrong kick by a jealous housewife
E.Childbirth hurts. And to add insult to injury, the width of a woman’s pelvis hasn’t changed for some 200,000 years, keeping our brains from growing larger.
F. Problem: Our spines are a mess. They are very inflexible and cause severe back pain for most people
G. The knee joint: the most complex joint in the body is situated between two huge levers—the femur and the tibia—and you’re looking for trouble.
H. Childbirth. Why put a poopoo hole where the baby comes out? One of the reasons I detest taking deliveries is seeing poo pushing out the anus as soon as the baby pops out. And most times, the baby is not just covered with liquor and blood, but feces.
I. The appendix. Now this is the most puzzling. This organ is just useless but somehow the good Lord decides he has to fix it inside and cause appendicitis and appendix mass, with subsequent peritonitis and septic shock, for folks. Appendectomy (surgery for appendix removal) is a big surgical burden and costs billions of dollars yearly
J. The immune system. The good Lord gave us an immune system that is not only deficient but confused. They cannot fight bacteria and viruses properly without the intervention of science via vaccines. In Nigeria, measles, polio etc were major under 5 killers til vaccines showed up. Also autoimmune diseases like Hashimoto thyroiditis and other life threatening diseases came up cause the immune system cannot figure out the self cells and viruses, and our body ends up fighting ourselves just like that. Also cancers are caused by the body cells undergoing changes even in the womb. Some babies are born with cancers. You doubt me? Check out teratomas
Etc etc

I understand the “poorly made” argument but I think it is flawed. Just like you rightly stated that for one to call something complex, there has to be something else to compare it to. So for us to call the human body poorly formed, we have to have a well formed body to compare it to. The universe is simultaneously ugly and beautiful, just like the “poorly made” human body. Simultaneously simple and complex just like human affairs. It is what it is, which is what the ancient Hebrews got right in their non psychotic musings: I am that I am. The universe is what it is and you are a beautiful part of it. At least I know I am.

jaephoenix:
The Bible is a book adored by Christians. It has been found to contain a lot of errors, lies and contradictions and thus not a reliable book. I made a thread about it here, in case ya'll wanna check it out and debate on the points there. Unfortunately for Christians, the gaffess were so many, and they could not come up with any defenses.
But in this thread, I'm gonna concentrate on the creation story, cos a Christian challenged me to(Just like another christian challenged me to open a thread about the bible errors and in the end he never gave any defenses). The errors are so much that I have to take them in parts. So this is only Part 1

What are the factual errors in the Genesis creation account?
There are several errors, since it’s a creation myth based on the knowledge, superstitions and misconceptions of the people who wrote it, just like any other creation myth. Let’s consider just some of them:

1. Duration time for the creation. This is the first considerable problem. Genesis says that, from the early stages of the earth’s formation to the dawn of man, only six days passed, which is obviously wrong. We know this whole process took about 4 billion years. Many apologists try to solve this crude mistake by declaring that the word “day” has a more vague meaning, such as six general divisions of time. We don’t know this, however, and the whole context of the story seems closer to 24 hour days (for example, we constantly read “And the evening and the morning were the first day.”).

2. The order of creation days. The order in which the creation events happened in the bible and the true geological and biological evolution of the earth are completely different. Some examples follow:

a. In Genesis 1:7 it says God divided the waters above and under the firmament. The only logical way to interpret this “firmament” or “heavens”, is the atmosphere, where water in vapour form is stored and eventually falls as rain. If this was done in a subsequent stage of the earth’s formation (day two), we would expect that the amount of water vapour in the atmosphere should increase over time. We however know that the exact opposite happened, as carbon dioxide and water vapour were partly replaced by oxygen.

b. In Genesis 1:11 it suggests that plants were the first form of life to appear, what is obviously wrong. It also suggests that plants and animals appeared in different times, what we know not to be true. Last, if compared to Genesis 1:16–18, it indicates that plants came before the sun, which would be impossible since sunlight is a fundamental ingredient to the process of photosynthesis, which is how plants produce their food.

c. In Genesis 1:16–18, as discussed before, the sun comes only after the plants appeared on the planet, which is obviously absurd. Some apologists try to save this by alleging that the sun already existed but wasn’t visible until the fourth day, since the earth’s atmosphere was thicker. First of all, the atmosphere was already transparent enough to see the sun when the first plants appeared in the planet. Moreover, the organisms from which plants evolved had already “invented” the process of photosynthesis and hence needed a substantial amount of sunlight. Finally, there are several studies who show how a plant’s growth is deeply affected by an increased period of cloudy days, and so it’s absurd to suppose that big trees and others could have appeared in a time of thick atmosphere, where the portion of light entering the planet was so weak that the sun wasn’t even visible.

d. Genesis 1:20 and 24 suggests that flying animals came before land animals, which is just wrong due to the fossil and DNA knowledge we have.

3. Magical elements. Some apologists argue that the creation myth in Genesis has a special status, since it’s much more “sober” in terms of reality than the creation myths of other religions. First of all, what matters is the truth. To construct a fable with elements closer to reality doesn’t change the fact that it is a fable. Secondly, the fact that the Genesis account seems less mesmerizing than others is just because the israelites followed monotheism (or at least monolatrism), and hence their creation story was devoid of the many struggles between gods that commonly take place at the beginning of other myths. Finally, it’s important to remember that there are many magical elements surrounding the Genesis story: the book of Revelations talks about a war in heaven between a dragon and his hosts and an angel and his hosts; Genesis itself, just a few pages afterwards, talks about talking serpents, magic fruits and a universal flood that occured just because God was in a bad mood with humanity

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Seun
Emusan
LordReed
KnownUnknown
Maynnmann
TenQ
Aemmyjah
Olaadegbu
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FRANCISTOWN
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Im way beyond the point of pointing out how this Bible stuff is mostly bullshit.The musings of ancient greedy Hebrews are of little value to me so the nonsense in at the beginning of genesis is a non starter.

What I find absolutely detestable are the stories and protagonists from Abraham to Moses to “the lord”. I find their god to be the one of most deplorable characters in all of literature. Given the actions of the “heroes” of the Bible, I’m not even surprised by the depraved nature of Judaism as reflected by these Jews and the apartheid rogue nation they call Israel. When you believe atrocious things you do atrocious things. Talking about Israel, I find it pathetic how some Nigerians who once opposed apartheid in South Africa are now cheering on apartheid and genocide in Israel just because of their ridiculous religious beliefs. They’ve been turned into perpetual slaves through the psychology of religion.

Regarding the accuracy of the book, I don’t see why accuracy is an issue. Mythology is
fiction even if based on true events and that is due to the fantastic elements in stories. The Genesis story bears the hallmarks of mythology and arguing about the accuracy of a myth is useless. There is no reason think the god of the Hebrews is any more responsible for the universe than the leprechaun sitting on my shoulder dictating what I write. There is no reason to venerate the musings of some incestuous psychopaths when I’m not a part of their culture. If I needed a “creation” story, I’d look in my own backyard.

I find gods to be convenient conventions created by people for different purposes. When I decide to be frank, I call gods absolute nonsense and if I needed a god, I would look in the mirror.

TenQ:
The question is too much for your immature mind to comprehend!?

The question is straight out of the mind of a ignorant person who doesn’t even realize how benighted he is.

TenQ:
Okay: Its a matter of English Language
The apparent gravitational pull on the moon reduced by 5% because of the presence of a large asteroid passing beside it, how much energy will a man of 60 kg use to jump up by 1.1 m?

Christ fucking Jesus!! SMH

Krismas:
Nancy Pelosi: Netanyahu should resign, he is responsible

"We recognize Israel's right to protect itself. We reject the policy and the practice of Netanyahu — terrible. What could be worse than what he has done in response?" she said. "He should resign. He's ultimately responsible," she added.

"I don't know whether he's afraid of peace, incapable of peace, or just doesn't want peace. But he has been an obstacle to the two-state solution," she added.

His just a disgusting, self-righteous, supremacist Jew piece of shit just like Judaism inspire the scumbags to be.

Good.

LordReed:
We have no evidence for the conditions that preceded the formation of our universe so why should the formation of the universe convince me of a god? Why can't I be fine with accepting that the formation of the universe follows the pattern of all the other processes which we see all the time i.e. natural processes borne out of physical constraints?

I always find it hilarious that these imaginary friend of theirs is one of one and it’s always a man never a woman. If one god can exist, then multiple gods can exist.

YoshihideSuga:
Forbes states its methodologies used in ranking wealthy people. Methodologies used for privately owned companies differ from individuals or dynasties or jointly owned businesses. Forbes also excludes individuals who are part of monarchies for obvious reasons. So, it's absurd to state that Forbes doesn't consider the bold. What is even baffling is how you outrightly state that Forbes Magazine is wrong when you haven't published your own ranking stating which methodologies were used.

If their methodology was sound they’d at least print pro forma financial statements to back up their nonsense. Don’t hold your breath waiting for that though.

And the fact that they’ve been publishing their rubbish list since 1978 means nothing. The Catholic Church has existed for almost 2000 years and published dogmas and doctrines that are absolute nonsense. So doing something for a long time doesn’t mean it’s factual or accurate.

YoshihideSuga:
Forbes Magazine which has ranked billionaires, actually invented the concept, since 1987 isn't an authority because one random KnownUnknown said so? So, who should the public believe, one random KnownUnknown or Forbes, the initiator of assessing wealthy people?

Lol, if you could think critically or know anything about banking, financing, or fiduciary duties of people who would be in possession of these financial records, you wouldn’t be lapping up every crap you read.

Public records used to determine the wealth of owners of publicly owned companies are the only estimate that’s reasonable.

Lmao. According to Judaism, the man can pay the kike bitch’s father 50 shekels then marry her. Praise Yahweh!