₦airaland Forum

Sterope:
➜Who says it applies? However you don't have enough knowledge to outrightly dismiss life after death? Or anything about the creation. You know nothing.
➜The complexities of life itself is proof of God.

According to you, it is speculation, is it not?

2. Be that as it may, the fact is there are over 4000 different deities reported. So, which of the 4000 is the one for whom these complexities serve as proof of? Or maybe he is not even among the 4000 known.

Sterope:
➜Which was why I stated earlier on- I am a Muslim and my judgement comes from the Qur'an.
➜You are not dead. You can't say 100% there is no life beyond this life. You can't also create life. So he's, I am discounting whatever opinion you or him has about life or death. Objectively, you are wrong. You don't know.
➜I could be wrong too because I don't know either but it would be foolish to outrightly says there isn't life after death. There is so much we don't know. We have very limited knowledge about the world.
➜With our limited knowledge it is wiser to consider the higher consciousness (God).
➜My God says there is life after death so yes there is. I don't care what other diety says.

1. But the sayings of your Allah don't apply to me and those who don't believe his version of things, right? Again, there are over 4000 different deities, all of them with different ideas regarding the place of death. Yes, you are free to believe the stories told you by your Allah but without proof, it is all speculation, right?

2. But I don't need to first die before I know the facts I had previously stated regarding death, right?

3. So, you admit that your belief is mere speculation?

4. How could that be wiser if we have no way of proving its higher consciousness or evidence that claims attributed to him hold water?

5. Recall this is the same deity whose claims you admitted earlier you have no proof of. Sure, you don't need to and may not care what other deities say but since you have no evidence or fact as far as claims attributed to your God — all you have are speculations — shouldn't you at least let the speculation be just that, speculations?

atoliman:
➜Maybe you need to self discipline yourself from nairaland. You dey every religious post like a referee, you be legend.
➜I am amazed that ... had not yet made you a mod.

I have no need to discipline myself in something that is not vice and works well in my favor.

2. Maybe you do this to become a mod...I am comfortable just being a mere user.

atoliman:
➜Illegal act ke, i do not do illegal acts. My police records is clean , never been to jail or be arrested or give the law officer a reason to. Again think very well before you write

Well, you accused me of sinning to which I had to make it clear that I don't sin aka commit illegal acts since I am a law-abiding citizen. You also indicated that you sin meaning that you break the law. That is what sin means to me.

Sterope:
➜Circular argument
➜ He is a creator. Ever living, ever lasting. Which defeats your question he can't be created. No begining and no end. He says there is life after death. Your consciousness remains but not in your body and I abide by that.

I am afraid you lost me there. Wetin concern "circular argument" with any of the questions wey I ask abeg?

2. Wait a second... a moment ago, we were discussing what happens when we die. But now I see you have seguewayed into talking about what some deity thinks or says of death. Why? Also, there are over 4000 different deities out there each with their unique ideas regarding death, so what makes you think your deities idea should be introduced in the case when death is common to us all but your deity isn't?

So, earlier when you mentioned some higher consciousness, you were not referring to the human consciousness acquiring a higher status but of a completely different and non-human consciousness which you considered of higher status?

atoliman:
➜You do not think, i am not blaming my flesh. I am simply saying i fall into temptation due to my shortcomings and need to do better. Tired of arguing with you.

Stop making ridiculous excuses already and start working on acquiring basic self-discipline already!

atoliman:
➜I am fully responsible for my actions, i fall into temptation . If you never sin, then judge. Awon holier than thou

Oh boy, yet more excuses! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

The last I checked, I am a law-abiding citizen as there are no warrants out for my arrest so I don't sin/break the law like you do. There are millions of law-abiding citizens out there many of whom live and die without breaking the law. It usually takes self-discipline to accomplish. Ask any Nigerian living abroad. That you have chosen to conveniently create excuses for your illegal acts will not change that fact.

atoliman:
➜Think before you write.

This from the same one who didn't think through his idea before deciding to pour it out on this thread?

Sterope:
➜You want me to trust your opinion based on your limited knowledge. I am a Muslim. I would rather trust God.

Why should I want or need you to trust my opinion? I don't get it! By the way, I have yet to state an opinion on this so far. So?

Sterope:
➜It loses the ability does not negate the existence of higher consciousness

At what point was this higher consciousness born and what is the evidence of its birth? What is the benefit of this higher consciousness? And by the way, isn't this what speculating is all about?

Sterope:
➜Yes to your question. You don't even know what would after. You are speculating.

We do know a couple of things that will happen after a person dies and they are that:

➜The consciousness that was originally born into that body completely loses its ability to communicate with the outside world through that same body
➜The body that once held the consciousness degrades back to the dust from which it was made.

These things we know for sure i.e. they are not speculations.

atoliman:
➜again no one ask for your input, no one is hiding anything or whatever assumption you are making. Holier than thou

The one pretending his shortcomings were related to some deity, temptation, spirit, etc., was your person. So why do you falsely claim I am the holier than thou element in this case?

atoliman:
➜no one ask for your input, thank you

Stop hiding your lack of discipline, something even a child of today is aware of, behind all of that religious gobbledegook.

Sterope:
➜You are not dead and you have so much to say about death.. What more screams liar and delusional than this?

Does one first need to die before realizing that just as we had no consciousness before conception— acquired a physical form death possibly signifies an end to the consciousness since the physical form is returned back to the elements from which it was made?

Sterope:
People that can't create life have a lot to say about what life, death and afterlife is. Jokes on you!

Does one need to be able to create life before one can have an opinion based on the much we can know as humans about death though?

funkmrflexx:
➜I've been married close to 4 years now with a 2 year old boy, but marriage isn't what I envisioned it to be.
Like the said, if marriage was renewable every 5 years, I wouldn't even bother. I feel like I'm losing myself to this thing called marriage, aside from the responsibilities that comes with providing, the mental and psychological stress.
I've never been this stressed in my life and I'm someone who's usually able to handle a lot of stress, I just feel like I need time alone from everything and everyone, no calls, no text. Nothing.
And my wife even makes it worse with threats of leaving the marriage over any small issue. I think the biggest mistake of my life is getting married and I know a lot go men go through this to but they can't talk. And that's why a lot of men die young these days.

Please seek professional marriage counseling at this time so you and your wife can get on the same page on how you feel at this point in the marriage. Bring up the topic of separation during your counseling session, and if after some time you decide divorce is the best route then legally file for divorce.

It is OK to say you are tired of marriage or don't think you were cut out for it to begin with. Humans change and divorce is not a crime. What is never OK is abandoning your marriage and child. Only cowards and deadbeat dads resort to such measures. Couple that with the fact that marital abandonment is a criminal offense even under the code in Nigeria.

osuulola:
➜During Holy Ghost Service on the 7th of February, 2005, Pastor E A Adeboye, The General Overseer of the RCCG relays a story of a big man of God in the seventies he had to beg because he wanted to hold a camp meeting in Ilesa. He was instructed by his spiritual father to beg this big man of God.
The supposed man of God later said on the pulpit that he is going to hell and wants to drag three people with him. Who could this hell going 'big' man of God be?

Oh, boy! Here we go again with Adeboye the oga storyteller of them all.🙄🙄🙄🙄

Is this big man of god in the story Adeboye then or what? Is there any big man of god in Nigeria bigger than Adeboye?

Omalicious1:
➜See where we are getting it wrong, those people flying in are only going to private hospitals being manned by foreigners....they aren't going to Government owned hospitals....let's wake up and shine our eyes

Even at that, where are they getting the kidneys from with over 1 million Nigerians living in Nigeria in need of the same?

Bankowner:
➜Kidney transplant is not such a complicated procedure.Besides, they will come to Nigeria because kidneys are available for a dime a dozen.

Black market organ trafficking is something to be proud of why?

yemmit90:
➜Ok, I Don hear you o

Please go on Google, and spend some time amassing knowledge on real-life experiences of millions of people who suffer from one form of sleep disorder or another. I happen to have decades of struggle in that area myself with a sleep disorder — hallucinations, vivid dreams, corrupted memory, etc. were almost regular occurrences at some point for me — so I can tell you more about your dreaming than your ignorant mind there that has never stepped out of its private delusion to reason outside of them. You are one of those many ignorant people that people like me hate to encounter. Your kind of insanity is part of the reason why we suffered needlessly for so long before we finally found answers and explanations that made sense. Unfortunately, the world is fraught with billions of your kind.

Tommydare:
Lack of understanding is something youhave to deal with. Keep on asking the same question i have answered? Can't believe someone could bethis dumb like a man that fell inside a barrel full of tities only for him to come out and start sucking his finger.

You don't know the meaning of terms you use, do you? I suggest you make a dictionary your close friend this year.

Tommydare:
Dribble myself when i have answered you? I have stated what science can't do in my response abi you need glasses? And i have told you religion and science are two different things that arr meant for different purposes. Science can't go beyond this physicality but religion is transcendental.

All you have done is spew gobbledegook proving your religion is a scam deployed against your ability to critically season your reality! 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

atoliman:
➜There are some things that I regret due to act of disobedience to God. I regret because now I face the consequences of my actions, I thank God for his mercy for even give me the chance to pray to him and his total forgiveness and even encouraging me to pray more and spend more time reading and mediating on God's words. I am not here to argue bible verses with anyone or wish to. I am here to let it be know that your fleshy desire can causes damage or consequences to your life, it is only God's grace and Mercy that I stand alive today. Disobedience do have consequences, Thank God for his grace and Mercy, Please be encouraged to be obedient . Yes the devil may play a role in tempting me but I had the door open to avoid falling into such temptations. The fruit of the Spirit is what I wish for to manifest more through my behaviour, actions and words from my mouth. so forth I pray for a repentant heart to change and listen to God's Commands. Not here to argue at all with anyone on here on any apostle or anyone so whatever

Nonsense! Filter out the bullsheet fillers you religious lot like to console yourselves with and you begin to see the truth that has always been in front of you. Your lack of self-discipline —towards whatever idea you regard as a sin in your situation — is to blame, not your body/flesh.

unclemaths:
➜This news, while seemingly positive for medical tourism in Nigeria, raises serious ethical concerns. It means that at least 13 Nigerians—most likely from economically disadvantaged backgrounds—had to sell their kidneys. In many cases, organ donors in such situations are driven by financial desperation rather than genuine altruism.
The reality is that these donors likely received only a fraction of the actual cost paid by the foreign patients, with middlemen and brokers profiting significantly. Given Nigeria's weak regulatory framework for organ donation, there’s also a risk that some of these transplants were facilitated under exploitative or coercive conditions.
Ultimately, this highlights a disturbing imbalance: while wealthy foreigners receive life-saving transplants, vulnerable Nigerians are left with one kidney and minimal compensation, facing long-term health risks with little to no medical support.

Black market organ transaction is what your VP and Minister of Health are bragging to the world of.

yemmit90:
➜I am not sir, was once like you, thinking everything is all about our physical doing. A stage will come that you will experience a great spiritual manifestation that will put you wrong on your assumptions. Besides, you need to stop reading some books for real and draw your findings personal encounters or those around you. That is the only where you can get true practical knowledge about univers and spiritual realms.
➜Let me try your intelligence quotient,
1. what is causation of body and soul?
2. What is right, and what is wrong?
3. Since there is nothing like spiritual realms, then who are those physical beings you dreamt about?
4. What is the thoughts process in biological humans?
5. Lastly, why do humans behaves in certain ways?
➜I am far from being a spiritual inclined person but that dream hypothesis draw my attention, and I have withness it first hand through dreams.

1. Are you sure you are OK? What you are trying to tell me here is that after spending decades of my life battling a debilitating sleep disorder, you, whose experience comes from delusions, know better than I do about how dreaming works. What the heck is wrong with you people?

2. Stop bullsheet-ing and trying to derail already! Focus! We are speaking here of how physical harm is most likely caused by impact with something physical and not some dream about a dog bite created by your brain to keep you sleeping through the pain. How can you, without ruling out the possibility that the wound was physically afflicted on the body in question conclude it most be spiritual? No be brain damage be that?

3. More like you are bullsheet-inclined to me. Stop trying to change the topic with your ludicrous ideas. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Yankee101:
➜A black market exists
As all things Naija
From dollars to kidneys

So, what you are telling me is that your Vice-President and Minister of Health are bragging about the successful transplant of black market-obtained kidneys?

Yankee101:
It’s because they’re on a longer donation list in the US
Ekweremadu can easily repeat itself here in Nigeria

With over a million Nigerians in Nigeria waiting for treatment and possibly transplant, is the donation list in Nigeria better?

ogugwa1992:
Nigerians react to Pastor Paul Enenche’s miracles that saved man’s life, visa approval
Following the news of a mega miracle by the Senior Pastor of the Dunamis International Gospel Center, Pastor Paul Enenche, Nigerians have marveled at the good work of God that the pastor is doing. Recall that the senior pastor has been performing great miracles at the spirit-filled Campus Apostolic Invasion, a series he has been on.
Following the miracles, some of the faithful who received miracles testified upon the goodness of the lord in their lives.
Among them was a young man named Odunze Festus whose life was saved after attending the spirit-filled crusade.
According to him, he listened to the instructions of Pastor Enenche during the spirit-filled crusade and by so doing, he received a revelation that saved his life.
He also said that the miracles did not end there but that he equally received visa approval to UK after attending the service.
Meanwhile, appalled by the miracles, many Nigerians took to the social media to express their joys and belief in the miracles of the man of God.

You people are all just fraudsters; your scammers-in-the-lords are your gods in this giant scheme.

Maski87:
That's because no one wants to be another ekweremadu.

So the millions of Nigerians in Nigeria waiting for kidneys are what? Animals?

westfield:
Don't be deceived the only reason they are here is because they cannot wait on the transplant list so they came to Nigeria were it's easy to pay money and get it

The millions of Nigerians living in Nigeria who need those kidneys nko? They don't deserve to get the available kidneys?