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mauchiz:
■ The boys are not representing the church well, for a pastor to keep paying ur school fees, you
Must represent the gospel.

Where the boys churches members at the time the scholarship offer was made to them? Is it stipulated anywhere in their contract that they must live by the doctrines and traditions of the church in order to benefit from having their tuition paid by the church??

OvertheTop:
■ How can you say That? if Exxon Mobil Awards you a scholarship as an undergraduate in 100L. You have to meet a performance Target (a stated CGPA). if go be below it. you will fall out in the 2nd Year. The Awarder of the scholarship Determines that

This one wey you dey talk never even reach at all. According to the story here, the boys were kicked out of school for non-payment of tuition. How can the boys reach any supposed performance target if OPM failed them from the start? Or did OPM submit that the reason it refused to pay their tuition now has to do with the boys not meeting performance target?

pek:
■ Sense of entitlement you call it? So the pastor can take them to Cyprus and cancel their schooling when he feels like? Only in this part of the world. It shows one thing, he lacks wisdom.

Seriously! If say I be those boys, na to lawyer up be the next thing. Nonsense!

SangoOlukosoOba:
■ 🤣🤣🤣🤣Is OPM mandated by the government to render help? Of the boys are so sure of their case, they should get a good lawyer.

You are still leaving me speechless and this is 2023 abeg! The government does not mandate any company to render help. Rather, Government mandates that all businesses keep to the terms of the business agreements made even to individuals.

AlphaWolf27:
■ He has. The pastor has done that. Just say you're not aware.

OK. So, what did the pastor say the boys did to break their agreement?

gohf:
■ Worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.
■Deut 28:15; But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord your God or be careful to do all his commandments and his statutes that I command you today, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you.
This doesn't sound like a statement of judgement but a repercussion and consequences of ones actions according to His law.
■ If redemption was absolutely impossible the Father wouldn't have promised to send His son. So how can I worship YHVH, because he doesn't lie, he revealed the very consequences of our actions to us and gave us the option to choice whom we would serve and worship.
So I prefer to serve God freely and be bound by Him than to be bound by sins. For my sins will bring death, and it is impossible for me to free myself from sin or the consequences of it. But he who the son sets free is free indeed, so God so loved that he sent that son to me, to set me free.

1. God also said in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 that only those who are of the blood of Israel and living as part of the Nation of Israel in the Land of Israel are bound to that agreement which He made with His people in the desert. Those are the same people who later on damned and scattered to all the ends of the earth - Deuteronomy 30 vs 1 - 6. So, how can you, a damned soul — assuming you are of the blood of Jacob — say you worship God under the Law which you have been damned under? What do you hope to achieve by such exercise?

2. Interesting claim you make there in bold. Recall the simple commandment in the Law that God gave to Adam in the beginning which also contained a curse.

15 The Lord God put the man in the Garden of Eden to work the soil and take care of the garden.
16 The Lord God gave him this command: “You may eat from any tree in the garden.
17 But you must not eat from the tree that gives knowledge about good and evil. If you eat fruit from that tree, on that day you will certainly die!” - Genesis 2 vs 15 - 16

As it turns out, that same curse — in red — sits at the core of the judgment that came after Adam sinned against God.

16 Then God said to the woman,“I will cause you to have much trouble when you are pregnant. And when you give birth to children, you will have much pain. You will want your husband very much, but he will rule over you.”
17 Then God said to the man, “I commanded you not to eat from that tree. But you listened to your wife and ate from it. So I will curse the ground because of you. You will have to work hard all your life for the food the ground produces.
18 The ground will grow thorns and weeds for you. And you will have to eat the plants that grow wild in the fields.
[b]19 You will work hard for your food, until your face is covered with sweat. You will work hard until the day you die, and then you will become dust again. I used dust to make you, and when you die, you will become dust again.” - Genesis 3 vs 16 - 19

The curse of the Law not only details the sentence that awaits those damned by God's Law, it also details the end that awaits them as a result of being damned by the Law. So, back to what God said in Deuteronomy 28 vs 15 - 57 all of Israel has been judged and damned under the Old Law by God Himself. So, why do you continue to live under the same Law which now works to ensure your destruction as stipulated by God in that passage?

3. Which Son? The same Son, Jesus Christ, who stated that in order to benefit from Him you have to abandon the Old Law in its entirety to become a follower of His? The Baptism of Repentance proclaimed also by Jesus Christ is a ritual to mark an abandonment of the Old Law of Moses — the Old fountain of living waters — and a beginning under the New fountain of living Waters, Jesus Christ. So, are you saying you have never undergone this ritual at all or was it a farce for you when you did?

SangoOlukosoOba:
Yes! A free gesture.

OPM is a business enterprise and is obligated by law to keep to the terms of all agreements it makes even with individuals.

Popesuccess:
■ What i'm saying is that, is like the Pastor just decided to give them scholarship abroad without Really asking them what they want.

The boys didn't force the pastor so that one no concern anyone.

SangoOlukosoOba:
Hello! He did out of free will. OPM is not Chevron or Mobil that is mandated to offer scholarship's based on contractual agreements.

Wow... so in your mind, OPM, itself a registered company much like Mobil and Chevron, is not contractually obligated to meets its contractual agreements with individuals in the same way that Mobil and Chevron are equally obligated....

You continue to leave me speechless.

Popesuccess:
No be everybody want go school. You see those guys as people that want to school.

That one na for the boys to sort out for themselves. The point here is OPM roped itself into providing them scholarship and as such contractually binding itself to the boys in that way.

AlphaWolf27:
■ He owes them nothing. Same principle if a corporate organisation sponsors you and you deviate, they withdraw their sponsorship. It happens everywhere in the world. Even celebrities and mostly sports people (football, basketball and all) suffer it. BTW they've been there for how long. I may want to assume they should have started school at some point before the sponsorship was stopped. Did anyone ask why it was stopped. Ungrateful children. No be their fault, I blame the pastor that was looking for fame. I he really wanted to help them, he should have given them security jobs at his church.

OPM has not come out to publicly denounce or claim the boys deviated form the terms of the scholarship agreement in any way so I am shocked that you are already concluded and judged the boys as haven done exactly that.

SangoOlukosoOba:
■ Negotiate with what like did out of free will? So if I promise you 3 square meal and able to fulfill breakfast and dinner, I should be negotiating with you because I cannot afford dinner? You are attaching compulsory demands to this case! You mentioned sponsorship agreement, is that not same agreement OPM terminated? So what else should he be doing? Romancing a good gesture he did out of free will?

That you think offering a scholarship is nothing but a gesture leaves me speechless.

SangoOlukosoOba:
■ The Pastor was absolutely wrong for the curses. I am not supporting him on that! He was wrong! It’s a gesture! He could not afford again and provided tickets and alternatives. What better thing is expected of him? Let’s always note that, it’s a free gesture that he is not mandated to fulfill

A gesture? You are not making any sense. Offer of a scholarship is a gesture?

Popesuccess:
This boys are dancer, entertainers. They should have asked them how the want to be helped, instead putting them in school. No be everybody wan to school o.

Dancers and entertainers no dey go school?,

aktolly54:
■ do you still have brain? Clubbing out of 25k salary or what? Am sure the man spend more than 10m on both idiots. If am the man, I don't mind bribe or pay Cyprus immigration 10,000 USD to ensure they deport those idiot back to Nigeria .

See this one! Just talk say you don't much about clubbing even in Nigeria!

gohf:
I worship YHVH.

Interesting! So you do not worship Jesus Christ?

How can you say you worship YHWH when YHWH already judged and cursed all those of the Nation of Israel(Judea included) and His curse is meant to see to the destruction of all those under it - Deuteronomy 28 vs 15 - 57 -- absolutely no redemption possible under the Law of Moses from the curse?

SangoOlukosoOba:
■ Investing in humans has never been a crime. OPM thought they were brilliant and had intellectual capabilities. Anyone could have made such mistakes when scrutiny is absent. If OPM had done that, those boys would have been better with a transport bus for business. That’s where he made a mistake. I will ask you again? Did you watch the video and listen to the gibberish they were spewing? Those are touts! Nothing shows that, those boys have been within the four corners of a school.

Let's spare each other the ramblings, shall we? OPM sponsored these "touts" meaning OPM has to make right on the promise it made to said "Touts". Rather than negotiate, seems OPM seeks to force a solution on the boys after giving them freedom which is wrong since the sponsorship agreement did not stipulate OPM make all the choices to begin with.

SangoOlukosoOba:
■ Hello! River state cancelled scholarship at some point and notified students. Only final years students were attended too. It’s a good gesture and not a right. The pastor initiated and could not longer fulfill, and still provided alternatives. On what grounds and basis should the pastor be negotiating with them after reaching conclusion and providing alternatives! It’s sad how you guys turned a good gesture to a right!

■ OPM announce it would review international scholarships only 4 weeks ago.
■ It seems the boys were already in Cyprus at least at the time the news hit as they were cast out of school for lack of payment of tuition according to their story
■ The text messages revealed by the boys suggest that were begging OPM to send their tuition but no response from OPM as the pastor man blocked them.
■ Pastor man then resorted to playing curses on the boys for revealing the private text messages between him and the boys.
■ Now, less than 24 hours after that news broke, we read that without contacting the boys prior, OPM purchased last minute tickets for the boys to return to Nigeria

Are you seriously wanting us to believe that OPM did a good job in this?

NzogbuNzogbu:
no run o. You must knack head for ground

Agh! I see I was in fact trying to engage an absolute eejit! My bad!

NzogbuNzogbu:
■ they say they are not working. Which money are they using to club,
■ so he scholarship funding should be continued when they dropped out and we're using it to ball

So, people who are not working don't ever have money for other things including clubbing?

2. Was the scholarship funding ever given to them based on their not working or not clubbing? What in the world is wrong with you people?

NzogbuNzogbu:
■ Abdul, how many of your imams don ever give person one naira. I am waiting

Eejit! I am not a Muslim!

SangoOlukosoOba:
■ Did I talk about them clubbing? Did you listen to their statements in that video? Those are touts! The money invested in them is wasted! It’s so glaring and does not need scrutiny! Those guys are still illiterates!
■ Look at their composure and carriage, they just a tout who happens to be in Cyprus! When a good speech is demanded for them to address issues, look at them sounding like Portable. And you telling me money is not wasted!

These are the same "touts" OPM chose to sponsor, so why does your opinion of them as touts matter again?

2. What composure? It seems pretty clear that you and your ilk are just out to cast them down for pointing out the mistakes made by OPM and nothing more.

NzogbuNzogbu:
■ he didn't messed up any shiit He couldn't zero in the expectation of how bad the dollar situation would keep getting under buhari. Yet he was kind enough to offer them a return ticket and another scholarship in Nigeria. That's an honest mistake, his only problem was he shouldn't have helped them at all

You are not making any sense. The man made a promise to pay their tuition. With the bad exchange rate situation, he could have worked on renegotiating the amount of the scholarship with the boys. Something any reasonable business would do. And he could have discussed buying a ticket with them but none of that happened. Yet you are here lashing out at the boys for having a life outside of the debacle? For real?

aktolly54:
■ they should have been clubbing when they are security man, when they got 25k as a salary. The man should have hire someone like me to vet the guyz before he help them.

And what makes you think they were not clubbing back then? Many of you folks seem to walk around with screws loose or something.

viodemus:
■ so make dem no enjoy themselves for one day or more. Do you know how many days dem dey study, and/or work? Do you know how many days they have been broke and managing. then when they want to relax in a beautiful scenery, ndi iro will just come out from everywhere. It is the same as when people japa and post pictures, haters go just come out dey spew, dey find ways to collect from you. But they don't care about the parts of when you were eating 0 1 0 or 0 0 1, when you were running around everywhere in the cold or heat, looking for a way to not be worse than it is. Hard work and little pay times while you keep building. No one care of your sick working days. But they turn around and praise people stealing the national treasure dry. They worship and don't question such people, but want to be mad at people relaxing in a well lit area.

Help me ask abeg!

DarlTech:
So make dem no happy again because of scholarship again.

Help me ask these people ooo!

SangoOlukosoOba:
In all and all, those boys are a disappointment and absolute disgrace. They could not even sound like people who have been to a secondary school. Money wasted!

What money did you waste? Who did they disgrace when the one who promised to pay for their tuition didn't? Why is their clubbing and having a life outside of OPM a disgrace to You? Are you lot high?

jubrilELsudan:
E DEY VERY OBVIOUS SEY DIS STUPID BOYS GO BE CONFAM ARMIROBBERS WHEN DEM CUM BACK 9JA

So because they are on OPM scholarship, they have no right to live their lives? The way some of you reason in 2023 continues to astound me.

NzogbuNzogbu:
he said they should come to Nigeria and take it You can sue the pastor on their behalf

You folks are very unreasonable. The man promised to pay for their scholarship. The best he could have done in this situation is renegotiate with them as far as how much the scholarship would cover, and allow the boys to decide fro themselves. Buying a ticket back to Nigeria, without even informing them of this decision on his part, is 419.

yehmi01:
■ Sin is a nature. Jesus died for the nature called sin. Not for smokers or thieves or people that kill, e.t.c thats y there is notin like big or small sin once you are saved you no longer  carry the nature called sin. If any man be in christ he his a new creation. Right there a believer cannot  sin thats y the bible says >>when he falls he will rise when he ask for forgiveness But a sinner can not pray for forgiveness, once the nature of sin is still present.  But believers when they fall the blood of Jesus  cries out on there behalf Am sure thats its cos of pple like you Elder John addressed you as MY LITTLE CHILDREN. nepils (babes) who no notin about the wordSo please pick your bible and Study To show your self Approved.

Sin is not a nature but a choice. And Abel is the perfect example of this. He was directly descended from Adam and had the curse that was Adam on his person but he, Abel, chose a different path from that of his father, Adam, and was approved righteous by God for it.

The moment you correct this very error in belief, the moment you start to see the other lies you have also been holding onto.

delkuf:
to be born of water is not water baptism. You Don't you understand the bible and you don't want to learn

Again, You can only be born of water — the fountain of living water that is the New Covenant and Law in the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ, by undergoing the baptism of repentance from the Old Law and fountain of Living Water — the Old Law of Moses — to living under the New Law and fountain of Living water that is Jesus Christ. There is no other way.

Mokole2023:
■ Summarily, my wife and I still dont live together but this situation has gone worse now. I got no sexual feelings towards her and na by force we dey manage run 1 round in weeks. Meanwhile, I get sex requests from other girls on a daily.
■ I'm very sad about this situation especially when i look at my wife because she ought to be enjoying this thicke alone forever. As a man, you can imagine how you'd feel when your woman feels ur impotent while other women are bugging you for your time. Various extreme thoughts have crossed my mind and I'm seriously bothered which isn't even good for my health.
■ Should i confess to my wife? I await your responses, suggestions and advice. Many thanks,

1. You don't desire her and you don't even live with her, so it isn't that you want to save the relationship since you gladly boast of having sex requests from other girls on a daily basis to take care of your lust meaning you have moved on.

2. Your primary concern is that this woman who you have no feelings for at least does not consider you impotent — your ego for some reason cannot let that one go. Then I asked

Kobojunkie:
You already abandoned your wife so why do you care if she thinks you are impotent or not?

You already abandoned the marriage and have yourself so many other women lined up so why are you trying hard to make us believe you care a lot about your wife? Are you waiting to get her pregnant and tied down or what? Why not tell her the truth about what you do so she can find her way at this point?

Then I read the following from you

Mokole2023:
Yea thanks. Tho quite extreme, i actually asked her for separation which she vehemently objected. So i guess that's out of the discussion. She wants us to keep trying but I always loose sleep/rest when it fails again.

But you are both living separately meaning you are already separated, or are you not?

Mokole2023:
Move on kwa? If i had moved on, i wont be here seeking help.

You are no longer attracted to her but you want her to know it is not a result of impotency. You are seeking help for your own ego and not the marriage.