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LeyeWrites:
■ So the soul is made from clay? Which means the soul returns to be clay, correct?
■ How could it not breakdown to something else? You really don't know, do you?
■ What is spirit? That is, what constitutes spirit?

1. As I already explained, in Scripture, this is written as the fate of the unbelievers...

19 You will work hard for your food, until your face is covered with sweat. You will work hard until the day you die, and then you will become dust again. I used dust to make you, and when you die, you will become dust again.” - Genesis 3 vs 19

...those who do not obtain eternal life before the end of this life.

2. Is there some particular thing you would like for the soul to be broken down to then?

3. I am not sure what exactly you mean by Spirit. According to Scripture, the spirit that was in man when he was created refers to the breath of Life that God put inside of man after He, God, made man.

6 So water[a] came up from the earth and spread over the ground.
7 Then the Lord God took dust from the ground and made a man. He breathed the breath of life into the man’s nose, and the man became a living thing. - Genesis 2 vs 6 - 7

That is the same spirit of God which God also breathed into all living creatures to animate them.

15 All these animals went into the boat with Noah. They came in groups of two from every kind of animal that had the breath of life.
16 All these animals went into the boat in groups of two, just as God had commanded Noah. Then the Lord closed the door behind Noah. - Genesis 7 vs 15 - 16

And that breath of Life in man is not man's property but God's so at the end of man's life, it returns back to God, the one who owns it.

1- 4 The number of people on earth continued to increase. When these people had daughters, the sons of God saw how beautiful they were. So they chose the women they wanted. They married them, and the women had their children.Then the Lord said, “People are only human. I will not let my Spirit be troubled by them forever. I will let them live only 120 years.”[a]
During this time and also later, the Nephilim people lived in the land. They have been famous as powerful soldiers since ancient times. - Genesis 6 vs 1 - 4

So, you see you need to be specific about what you mean by spirit here for me to understand where it is you are attempting to come from.

BluntCrazeMan:
Where does that keep the prayer Jesus Himself taught the apostles.??

In the toilet since men think themselves wiser than God Himself when it comes to effective prayers to God Himself. God Himself gave men the best prayer possible but man decides God's own prayer is not effective enough to convince God. The wisdom of men continues to astound!

MindHacker9009:
■ The topic is about the invented Jesus Christ

The claims you made in your Op though don't compute given what is in fact stated in Scripture is what.

MindHacker9009:
■ For the rejection of HIM and not for the rejection of your invented Jesus Christ.

Focus...1. What exactly is this Kingdom of darkness you allude to?

2. How exactly do you worship the God of the Old Law of Moses when He damned all of the Nation of Israel (and Judah included) finally 1900 years ago? What you claim is akin to suggesting it possible to worship God according to the first Law given to Adam all while aware God already damned and condemned us all by that Law - Genesis 3 vs 16 - 24.

According to God, in Deuteronomy 28 beginning from verse 15 all those damned by God's Law cannot be redeemed by way of the Law as the curse is designed to utterly destroy such without any chance at redemption provided it by it.

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It is instead written right there in the Law of Moses and the prophets. But seems you never actually considered the details of the Law for yourself, ever!

The Nation of Israel was cursed when God first destroyed Jerusalem during the time of Nebuchadnezzar our 2500 years ago. The book of Hosea details this Judgment. The Nation of Judea --- the remnants --- God finally cursed second time He destroyed Jerusalem just over 500 years later as announced prophets such as Isaiah, Daniel and even Joel. And the curse is meant to work exactly as God stated in His Law to utterly destroy all those under the curse according to His Law.

So which part of what was stated by Moses and the prophets was invented?

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○ Is Deuteronomy 28 vs 15 - 57 added? Do these oral explanations contravene the written Law itself?
○ Is Deuteronomy 30 vs 1 - 20 and the many other places in the Law where God Himself reassures Israel that He will eventually curse the entire Nation for its rejection of Him all made up as well?

○ Are God's message through the prophets Hosea,Amos, Joel, Habakkuk, Daniel, etc. All .as up or additions to God's Law of Moses?

No mention by me of the name Jesus Christ thus far

MindHacker9009:
■ God Almighty has commanded: Not to add to the Torah commandments or their oral explanations. Deuteronomy 13:1

○ Is Deuteronomy 28 vs 15 - 57 added? Do these oral explanations contravene the written Law itself?
○ Is Deuteronomy 30 vs 1 - 20 and the many other places in the Law where God Himself reassures Israel that He will eventually curse the entire Nation for its rejection of Him all made up as well?

○ Are God's message through the prophets Hosea,Amos, Joel, Habakkuk, Daniel, etc. All .as up or additions to God's Law of Moses?

MindHacker9009:
■ That is what the inventors of the New Testament tells you

It is instead written right there in the Law of Moses and the prophets. But seems you never actually considered the details of the Law for yourself, ever!

The Nation of Israel was cursed when God first destroyed Jerusalem during the time of Nebuchadnezzar our 2500 years ago. The book of Hosea details this Judgment. The Nation of Judea --- the remnants --- God finally cursed second time He destroyed Jerusalem just over 500 years later as announced prophets such as Isaiah, Daniel and even Joel. And the curse is meant to work exactly as God stated in His Law to utterly destroy all those under the curse according to His Law.

So which part of what was stated by Moses and the prophets was invented?

MindHacker9009:
■ Why do many people shouting in Jesus name that was invented by the Roman empire but are secretly operating from the kingdom of darkness. What I have found out is that they use in the invented Jesus name to know the few that are only folowing Jesus so that they can oppress them from the kingdom of darkness since they know Jesus was invented by the Roman empire.
■ But when you tell them you worship the God of the Old Testanent directly without thier fake Jesus Christ they run away from you since they know how the True God of the Old Testament dealth with pharoah and others like him. But they know that the invented Jesus is an open door for them to attack from the kinddom of darkness.

1. What exactly is this Kingdom of darkness you allude to?

2. How exactly do you worship the God of the Old Law of Moses when He damned all of the Nation of Israel (and Judah included) finally 1900 years ago? What you claim is akin to suggesting it possible to worship God according to the first Law given to Adam all while aware God already damned and condemned us all by that Law - Genesis 3 vs 16 - 24.

According to God, in Deuteronomy 28 beginning from verse 15 all those damned by God's Law cannot be redeemed by way of the Law as the curse is designed to utterly destroy such without any chance at redemption provided it by it.

TradingGod:
■ But every living creature is alive because of the spirit in it
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Without the breath of life which is the Holy Spirit, man will be a dead soul
■ That is why the wages of sin aka disobedience to Give Glory says is death

1. But your earlier claim was that the soul comes into existence at the point the breath of life is introduced. If you pay close attention to the verse you quoted, it says God made man --- mind, body and soul--- before He, God, then introduced His breath into man after making man.

2. I don't follow at all. What has the consequence stated by God of violating His Law to do with this?

TradingGod:
■ Genesis 2:7 Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath or spirit of life, and man became a living being(soul). [I Cor. 15:45-49.]
The Soul came into existence the moment the spirit of God came into contact with the nostril of man
■ The spirit needs the soul to function in this world, the soul is the seat of consciousness, that is where the spirit recide.

1. Where is the claim in bold presented in Scripture?,

2. Where is evidence of this claim you make to be found in the entirety of scripture given that God breathed the same breath of life into every living creature - Genesis 7 vs 15 - 17?

cl0r0x:
Very bad prayer. Sometimes God's will is to kill you. Remember in the the bible a man sent an angel to tell God why do you wanna kill me after all I have done, I don't want to die yet. Then God sent the angel to tell him 40 more years has been added to his life. The prayer of let your will be done is a dangerous prayer. I don't want to join army or eat corn , it may be god's will though

Not in anyway trying to hold brief for the OP just that what you said here is terrible thinking! God's Will is instead God's Law and plan in His Kingdom. It does not pertain to individuals so it is wrong to go around thinking God is after you or something and the same Will applies as far as everyone meaning that it the same teachings and commandments that we are all equally bound by ----- those who are citizens of the Kingdom of God that is.

izonborn098:
Single mom. God pls no matter how life i still want to be a man if it is possible, imagine woman raising her daughter alone is a big trauma.

Would it be better for the woman to throw the child away and have it raise itself then all so she can also avoid the stigma of being a single mother like the father of the child did?

LeyeWrites:
■ I can't seem to get your explanation of what a soul is. In a breathe you said "it's the core of you". So what exactly is "you". What's the constituent of you, and consequentially the constituent of the soul?
■ In another breathe you said the soul is made from clay. You mention spirit and body being from clay as well. In its entirety of course. Are you saying the Soul is just clay? And by clay, do you mean the same clay we have around today in our modern world?
■ If so, shouldn't the soul, a clay, return to be clay.
■ Since clay is part of the earth why should it go to heaven or a hell, when that's not it's origin? Help me understand.

I did explain what constitutes the "you" .i.e. man

Kobojunkiee:
Man, in his entirety---- mind, body and soul--‐ is made from the clay of this world. So what you call soul is made when you are conceived.

The soul, well, it does not further break down to anything else as it is just that, the soul of man.

2. I never said spirit and body are of clay. Rather, what I said is a man — mind, body, and soul— is made from clay. Spirit isn't made from clay and man has no spirit of his own at his birth. And I say clay, I mean the dust of this world, that is a given.

3. In Scripture, this is written as the fate of the unbelievers...

19 You will work hard for your food, until your face is covered with sweat. You will work hard until the day you die, and then you will become dust again. I used dust to make you, and when you die, you will become dust again.” - Genesis 3 vs 19

...those who do not obtain eternal life before the end of this life.

4. According to the owner of Heaven or Hell, only those who are born-again(possess Eternal life) can enter Heaven(Eternal Reward) or Hell Fire(Eternal Damnation) - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. That has to do with the fact that they are no longer just clay of this world but are become spirits as a result of being born-again — obtaining eternal life in this life - John 3 vs 1 - 21.

helinues:
Both are inevitable but we can be moderate or fair about them.
Nobody holy pass

That is not true at all. Only those who are of the Kingdom of God. ---- under God’s Law-- can be said to violate the Constitutional Law in the Kingdom of God.

Honchoslim16:
Well, as for me... I don't believe in 'sin'
I follow laws stated in the constitution of my country..... Not laws stated by an Israeli god or Arab god!

The way you follow the Laws stated in the Constitution of your country is similar to the way I also live my life in submission to the Constitutional Law in the Kingdom of God in which I reside. You refer to a violation of the law of your land a crime whereas I refer to it as sin.

Whoknow:
Well said, summarily my understanding is that if can die for the sake of Christ.

If you are not first Holy and approved righteous by God, you die in vain claiming you die for Jesus Christ. All those who died without first attaining holiness and then God's righteousness, do so in vain.

hashtagged:
■ If you read the Bible you would know.
2. But if you want to serve God by your own power. It's your choice

1. Know what exactly?

2. So you don't believe at all in doing as God commands, is that it? God says those who love Him are those who live their lives in continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments--- His Will--- but you seem to disagree with God on that believing that serving Him some other is more appropriate, right?

phemmyfour:
■ And where and when did Jesus categorized prayers to their level of importance.

Jesus Christ never did such. Rather Jesus Christ prescribed what we refer to as the Lord's Prayer for whenever we want to pray and He equally asked us to pray in hiding and in silence, all things many who cling to religion of men never do.

LeyeWrites:
What's a Soul? Let's start from there.Before we start going to where it goes. Did the Soul come from hell or heaven? Where does it come from?

Man, in his entirety---- mind, body and soul--‐ is made from the clay of this world. So what you call soul is made when you are conceived.

What is the Soul? Well, it is that core of you that desires and thrives in life and whatever else. The souk uses the mind to resolve its situation and the body its position.

hashtagged:
■ Total waste of time and space sorry to say. Instead of always finding faults try and learn.
■ The greatest thing you can ever do for God is allowing his will to become yours. That's why I would always tell him father your will and not mine

1. Too easily you forget that you cannot impress God by your numerous tongue-actions which you refer to as prayer. The prayers, praises, offerings, "good" works, pleas, etc., of the unrighteous are an abomination to Him. God is only impressed by one thing and one thing alone and that is acceptance/submission and obedience.

2. You say the greatest think you can ever do for you --- not for God by the way -- is to allow His Will become yours. Well, good. Now what is God's Will? It turns out the Will of God is God's Law and plan, in our case, the Kingdom of God, and as Jesus Christ made clear to you, the only way to allow His Will become yours is through continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments, God's Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God.

No amount of praying--- tongue action-- you do will ever make that automatically happen to you. Action towards obedience is the only way

mauchiz:
■ My dear, they were very committed in church, maybe as they travelled they were carried away and fallout.

Stop lying!

DAVIDMOE:
Does it mean as a human, you don't have to plan, hope and aspire as a person?
I think there are many error in this teaching.

Seek first the Kingdom of God(Holiness) , and God's Righteousness, and then all these things shall be added -- after, not before.

fxexperts:
■ Which Law if i may ask. you are just emotional with no basis of application.

You don't know your own law in the country where you live?

mauchiz:
■ That is the reason they gave them scholarships, if they were not abiding by the church doctrines, they will not give them.

The boys were not churchians when they were offered the scholarships so why do you out of nowhere introduce these stipulations and believe you are fair to do so ?

OdogwuToks:
■ Na wa for the kind things wey una dey talk here. Sue your sponsor? Do you think those guys can win him in court? Lmao

If they have a lawyer who does not think as you do, why not?

fxexperts:
■ Na how much the boys pay to get agreement for the pastor to sponsor their education.
■ This man self. why you never sue your papa when he say he nor get money to train you for abroad. You these Nigerians you are all too emotional and with that emotions you tend to reward bad deeds all the time. you must be such a joke.

1. This is 2023 for crying out loud!

2. So, using the law to my own benefit means I am too emotional? See what still passes as intelligence in Nigeria 2023, no wonder the rich keep using your heads to play ball for there.

AlphaWolf27:
Do your homework. Don't take it that I said the truth or lied. Lol.

Stop lying for Pete's sake.

jubrilELsudan:
■ YOU ARE VERY STUPID. SO YOU DID NOT USE YOUR FLAT HEAD TO READ WHERE IT WAS SAID THEY FAILED ALMOST ALL THEIR COURSES. I DEY SURE SEY NA YOU BE DIA GANG LEADER

Again! See spin doctors in action. So the reason is no longer that the foreign exchange being high but that the boys failed all their courses.

So, why was OPM attempting to ship the boys back to Nigeria so they could continue their education on the scholarship at a lower cost to OPM?

Nigerians ehn! Una wayo too much.

gohf:
■ it's not for you be prejudice about not judge 😌
Is your goal to ask or to prove that I cannot answer even without asking, thereby discouraging anyone from asking 🤔
😃 Are demons on nairaland really bothered by simple questions and answers about God and His word 🤣🤣

Do you believe God is True and all that relates to Him is Truth? If yes, then what makes you think that one who does not understand the basic Truth of God can be expected to speak God's Truth?

Does a demon and adhere to God's Truth in all formats?

engineerkola:
■ You people are funny. Pastor Chris does not teach. It is God that teaches. When a man of God stands to minister, God speaks through him. Who the man of God is or what he has done does not matter.
■ A point of reference from the bible. Paul used to prosecute christians, but when God started using him, he wrote more books in the new testament than anyone else. I think you should improve your personal relationship with God so you can see God in people rather than seeing people.

God is responsible for all the lies this man bellows from his pulpit regularly?

2. Paul wrote letters, not books, and even he admitted that his letters are not to be trusted as he made clear to all, Let God be true and all men(including Paul) be liars.

gohf:
■ YHVShA. Do you have a question concerning God and His word 😌

You haven't shown that you know the Truth of the one you claim you worship though so what sort of questions can you really answer of the one you don't seem to know of?

gohf:
■ I said I will answer only questions, not assumptions nor accusations "So, how can you, a damned soul — assuming you are of the blood of Jacob — say you worship God under the Law which you have been damned under?" First of all this is not who I am nor what I said. You ask what I hope to achieve, by what exercise?
■ You quoted a response to you, but your quote as ZERO reference to what you quoted 🙄😳
🤣🤣🤣
■ For your question "why do you continue to live under the same Law which now works to ensure your destruction as stipulated by God in that passage?" I do not live under "the same law" so I cannot give you a reason for something you assumed. Hope you understand, forgive me if you don't. I am sorry if my answers are not satisfactory to you sir.
■ The questions are supposed to be about God and His word. Not about you assuming who I am, what I may or may not have done. 🤷
■ But your judgements are amazing as they are comical 🤣 sorry no offense, but do you actually have a question about God and His word

1. But according to YHWH, only those who are of the blood of Jacob and of the Land of Canaan- Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 - can worship Him. So, if you are none of that, then why did you claim to worship YHWH? What do you hope to achieve by claiming you worship a God who said you cannot worship Him if you are not of the blood of Jacob and of the Land of Canaan?

2. I am afraid I don't follow at all.

3. If you do not live under the Law that is YHWH — God's Old Covenant Law of Moses— then how can you claim to worship YHWH since to worship YHWH means to live your life in submission and obedience to His Law of Moses?

4. Your claims birthed the assumptions. You claimed you worshipped YHWH but YHWH said only those who are of the blood of Jacob and the Land of Canaan could do any such. And the same YHWH damned all those who are under that Law already meaning that they have no redemption under that Law which now works to utterly destroy all those born under the Law — those who are born of the blood of Jacob.

5. What Judgments would those be? What have I said so far that is not of the Word of God?

AlphaWolf27:
■ Guy, do your homework first before commenting. I won't do that for you.

I take it you lied then since not even the OPM man is written to given that as reason why OPM was unable to pay their tuition. Since he is instead attempting to invite them back to continue schooling at cheaper institutions, something that wouldn't happen if your claim had been of truth.