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michael132:
where do you worship ? U are sound .

To worship/serve God simply means to live one's life in continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments in Jesus Christ. That is the mandate given by God to man, this since even the time of Adam. And since Jesus Christ made it known that God is the only teacher to those who belong to Him, I am not bound to any man or organization out there. Wherever I go, He is with me and He teaches me His Law and Truth, freeing me from the religion of men which only serves to keep men shackled to their fellow men.

MikeofAfrica:
1. The Landlord of a House in Lagos promised his son that if he graduate with a first class from the University, he will make the son the landlord. The son later graduated with first class, hence the father handed the house documents to him. The son became the landlord of all the tenants in his father's house. This means that the son can increase their rent , change the rules set by his father and take other decisions without getting approval from the father. According to the book of Philippians 2: 8-11, Jehovah handed over the authority in heaven,earth and under the earth to Jesus after His resurrection. Hence Jesus has the power to set aside any law of God given to Moses. He is the incumbent landlord , the God of Heaven and Earth.

2. Using His power, He modified all the Laws of Moses into two. Love the Lord your God with all your strength and also love your neighbour as yourself. Once you obey these two commandments of the incumbent landlord, you have fullfill the laws of His father.

3. Now let me ask you, are you still observing the Laws of Moses? Remember the laws of Moses forbids you from shaving the top of your beard ? Are you heavyly bearded like Moses and other ancient people? Do you forbid your wife from leaving your house when she is having her monthly period according to the law of Moses?

4. God gave man dominion over the earth when He created man. Jesus restored that Dominion power to man by defeating the devil. Hence just as man has the power to create the calendar used on Earth, man also has the power to create holidays on Earth base on this calendar.
You can decide to call it pagan worship. Jesus Christ ate and drank with pagans in the Bible ( Mark 2: 15-16). He celebrated with the pagans during their festival at the house of Levi. Hence allow us to also celebrate Xmas with the pagans. We love them just as Jesus Christ love them.

1. So, even though the same Son told you Himself that He does only that which His Father tells Him to do, and that what His Father has decreed is everlasting— Heaven and earth will pass away but not a Jot of the Word of God will pass away - Matthew 5 v 17 - 20 — you continue to insist that your spin of a narrative of what should stand instead?

2. So, basically, your understanding is that Jesus Christ is nothing but a liar and a deceiver?

3. How can I submit myself to a Law which was given by God as[b] the National Constitution to the Nation of Israel in the land of Canaan [/b] only to those who are of the House of Israel -- Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20? Would I do such because I think God's wisdom was foolishness when He excluded all others from every other nation from that pact from its beginning?

Do you somehow think yourself wiser than even the Almighty as well or something?

4. So because Jesus Christ ate and drank with Pagans, you assume that in turn means all that is Pagan is then of Jesus Christ and His Kingdom?

Abi1985:
For Europeans, it is racism. For Africans, it is corruption

Racism and corruption in Africa abeg!

Tribalism is itself a form of racism and we all know how that has immensely contributed to hindering growth both at local and national levels in that Nigeria alone.

Kdsml:
I am not paying rent but i have contribute with foods what about the 24 years old lazy man who is not contributing on anything he want to rely on our mother and siblings , if his two younger sisters 22 and 19 are out there working like everyone else and why can't him do the same when he is not disable ?

You should be paying rent at least. Your 24-year-old is not your problem to deal with if he is in fact lazy but you should contribute more than helping with grocery bills.

CakesToolsOvens:
You like trouble sha
Merry Christmas

Me and trouble are not related at all. I simply believe in keeping the pot stirring so we don't fall victims to even our own mental scams.

Merry Christmas!

michael132:
I think as a free will spirit..we have the gift to choose..even God sometimes expect us to decide n follow what it good.

You are free to choose but you are not free to use God's name as endorsement for your freedoms. That is why God gave you His Law, Jesus Christ, to define what you can or can't do in His name.

1Sharon:
Merry Christmas Kobojunkie the trouble maker

Nah! I simply like to keep the pot stirring!

Ken4Christ:
You are worse than the devil. Even the devil speaks truth sometimes.

Says the minion who twists and distorts scripture without limit all so as to pretend it supports all delusions he clings to.

Ken4Christ:
Maybe I should charge you so you can enroll in an online Bible Study. You don't even appreciate this one I am giving to you freely.

None of those verses even pretend or allude in any way to what you claim here.

michael132:
what if the practice is not in line with pegan practice..but purely practice of a Christian like nature..

So long as a practice does not originate from God Himself it is Pagan. Your celebration of Jesus Christ's birthday is Pagan because God never asked you to do any such thing --- there is nothing of God or godly of it, even if in your mind you choose to pretend there is.

MikeofAfrica:
1. Jesus Christ is God. Hence He has the right to modify the commandments of God. He is the fulfillment of the laws of Moses hence if you believe in Jesus, you do not have to fulfill the laws of Moses. That is the reason a woman having her period can now enter the temple of God. That is why a bastard can also enter the temple of God. These were not possible under the laws of Moses.

2. However, Jesus delivered us from the curse of breaking the laws of Moses( Galatians 3:13-15). Hence we are no longer living under the laws of Moses but under the laws of Christ which is love God and your neighbour.

3. Since Jesus is the fulfillment of the law, the day of His ressurrection ( Sunday) replaced the Sabbath day as the day of worship for Christians. God has given us the right and power to change the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

Matthew 16:19 says whatever we degree on Earth shall be accepted in Heaven.

1. Jesus Christ Himself explained to you via His teachings that He is subject to the Father .I.e the Father is greater than Him. He Jesus Christ also told you that He did not come to abolish the Law - add, change or remove from it or even do away with it in anyway-- since the Law is Everlasting meaning it is forever unchanhih. Please stop with these wicked attempts to make a joke of God.

2. Jesus Christ could not have developed you from a curse that you were never under since, again, God made it clear that the Law, and its curse, applies only to those who are of the blood of Jacob - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20.

3. Jesus Christ was an Israelite born in the land of Canaan, and as He told you He came to fulfil the Law as every Israelite who lived in the land was expected to by God. He made this clear to you He explained that God's Law is eternal --- heaven and earth will pass away but God's Law will never.

Again, Jesus Christ never gave you your day of worship. Instead the idea is born of men hence it is Pagan in origin. Also, the power to bind and lose only applies to that which exists simultaneously In both Heaven and on earth. Your days of worship have no connection to the Kingdom of God since, again, they are pagan defined.

1Sharon:
She said she only moved back on the 10th and hasn't paid rent yet but intends to.

Oh, OK!

Merry Christmas!

1Sharon:
You made a mistake, going back to live with your mom.

Women's relationship improve when they aren't under the same roof.

That depends! My guess is OP may be taking advantage thinking she is entitled to.

Raalsalghul:
We need to start discussing the entitlement mentality of Nigerian parents.

And that of their ward as well....

KnownUnknown:
It is scripture defined as written in the Great Revelation.

BULLSHEET!

Ekrenji:
Isn’t an unforgivable sin the greatest sin?

What other sin can be greater than an unforgivable sin?

The unforgivable sin is not born of rejection of Jesus Christ as He, Jesus Christ made clear to His followers.

gosmotivation:
In this video, Apostle Selman is going to share with you his step-by-step guide to how to ask GOD for what you want!

Stop allowing these men lie to you!

They don't know God. Instead they know theiir scam well!

michael132:
In just the same manner as all babies before that day and since have come into the world, the promised child was born; and on the eighth day, according to the Jewish practice, he was circumcised and formally named Joshua (Jesus).

*Source:* Part IV of the Urantia Book, "The Life and Teachings of Jesus", Paper 122:8.1-2
[24/12, 19:48] +1 (301) 806-0911: Now, someone may ask me: Do you celebrate Christmas on the 25th of December? �

My response is simple: I celebrate the birth of Jesus on the 21st of August. However, on the 25th of December, I celebrate � with those who celebrate on that day. ✨���

So long as Jesus Christ never commanded your celebration, what you do is pagan in origin. The date isn't what is pagan. Instead, the practice is, and given that Jesus Christ never asked His disciples to use His name for such celebration, you sin against God when you pretend your celebrations honors God.

Merry Christmas!

MikeofAfrica:
1..Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the Law ( Romans 8: 3 - 5).
The death and resurrection of Jesus fulfilled all the laws of the OT on our behalf. It is that fulfillment of the law that gave Christians the right to make " Sunday " the day of worship instead of Sabbath day, Saturday.

2. Jesus modified the OT laws into two. Love God and your neighbour. Any of the OT laws that does not relate to these two is inconsequential. Hence we have the right to modify and neglect the laws of Moses that does not relate with the laws of Christ. That is the reason women having their mensuration period can now attend church service. The laws of Moses is against that.

3. We have the power to select a day for celebrating the birth of Christ. Remember that the Calendar we are using is not from God but from man. Hence if a man can decide that January 1st is the first day of the year, why can't christians decide that December 25th is the birthday of Jesus.

4. When God created the heavens and Earth, it was fill with darkness. He then commanded Light to appear and the darkness vanished. We are created in the image of God. Hence we can destroy the darkness in a pagan' s shrine and bring the light of God into that same place hence making it a place of worshipping God. That is what the missionaries did when they came to Africa.

1. Stop spewing meaningless soundbites you feed from the the mouths of your men of gods. Jesus Christ told you that He is the Covenant of peace promised by God to the House of Jacob, Law God established with Israel. And nothing in that law states you are to worship God on Sundays.

2. Now you accuse Jesus Christ of sinning against God who made it clear that no one has authority to add, remove or change the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan which He, God, gave to the House of Jacob through Moses? Are you for real?

How can you claim to have right when God Himself made certain that you never had right to begin with in any of His dealings? Even those who are of the blood of Jacob, to this day, cannot boast of such right as by doing so they only reveal their arrogance.

3. All you have is power to install a pagan holiday over yourselves but you have no authority or power given you by God to add, change or remove from His Love. The right to claim in such is born of delusions.

4. Destroy what darkness? The Darkness God instead commands you learn to live at peace with?

God gave men Law, yet over and men continue to choose religion over God's Law. Yet in arrogance they also claim they are of God. That remains the story as it was from the beginning up till now!

Ola4lead:
I don't see anywhere in my quote where I said Jesus told them to celebrate him... So stick to my content

So we both agree then that it is Pagan origins since God never commanded such celebrations in His name?

Ken4Christ:
When Israel rejected him, salvation was extended to the Gentiles. John 1:11-13.

Keep casting God as a liar... it seems it is all you do best - Isaiah 66 vs 18 - 24.

Merry Christmas!

advocatejare:
Merry Christmas Junkie

Merry Christmas!

franugo:
I am looking for an answer to my question. How exactly would i figure it out on my own when i have stated earlier that i have not been able to wrap my head around it?

Keep trying to wrap your mind around it even with the new pointers and feelers suggested so you ensure you don't fall for lies at the end of this exercise.... use the understanding you have --- reason it all out--- and only the will more understand be given to you - Matthew 13 vs 12 & Mark 4 vs 22 - 24

franugo:
Hmmmm so this is one of those let sleeping dogs lie situations....?

There is no such thing as far as God is concerned. Question it all for that is the only way to arrive at His Truth. However, Jesus Christ said it is when you use the understanding you have that more understanding will be given you, meaning if you are simply looking for someone to give you the answer, you will gain nothing in the end.

MikeofAfrica:
1. Why are you making Christianity a rigid religion?

2. It is not mandatory for a Christian to celebrate the birth of Jesus since He did not command us to celebrate His birthday. However, it is wrong for us to condenm someone celebrating the birthday of Jesus.

3. Jesus Christ told us that the place, day or date that we should to worship God is insignificant. What matters to God is we worshipping Him in Spirit and truth( John 4:27-31).

4. Hence you can decide to convert a shrine where your ancestors worship idols to an alter where you worship God. You can also decide to use the date your ancestors use in worshipping idols to worship God. As long as you worship Him in Spirit and truth, it is acceptable to God. As long as you celebrate Xmas by remembering the poor around you, it is acceptable to God.

1. Wow... you are not even aware that God Himself made it rigid when He sent His Law and Covenant, Jesus Christ to you?

2. Lol.... I celebrate Christmas for the Pagan holiday that it is because as God Himself warned, it is a sin against Him to attempt to add to, change, or remove from His Law - no man has right to use God's name without His explicit permission as given in His Law..

3. Jesus Christ never permitted anyone to celebrate pagan ideas using His name. We are talking of the same Jesus Christ who went as far as to state that He does not desire praise from human beings- John 5 vs 39 - 44

4. Where in the world do you get this idea that God allows you convert an altar previously dedicated to idols to something holy? Who lied to you that you are even capable of such?

MikeofAfrica:
1. Do you mean that if I open a School and name it after God to appreciate His assistances, it will become a sin since God never commanded me to name the School after Him?

2. Where in the Bible did God give you the permission to be mentioning His name on nairaland? Where in the Bible did God give Nigeria the permission to mention His name in the National Anthem?

3. Apostle Paul confided in us that we can eat a food offered by pagans after sanctifying the food with prayers ( I Corinthians 10: 27-31).

4. Hence we have sanctify December 25th( the day of pagan celebration) with prayers and is using it to celebrate the birth of Jesus .

1. So long as you don't pretend that the name implies God Himself has something to do with your business and you don't assume your business honors Him in some way, then you do not break His Law.

2. As one who is a follower of Jesus Christ, it is against God for me to teach His Truth using any other name..

3. Am I to take it that Paul is a god to you since here we are discussing misuse of the name of Jesus Christ and you are invoking instead Paul?

4. Your claim makes no sense!

franugo:
Pls just give your opinion and don't add to my confusion sir

So you are looking for someone to feed you answers ---- basically tell you what to believe ---- instead of you figuring it all out for your own self as you go?

Ayo13945:
Preaching in the ring of Fire.
Now, that is true Evangelism
Honestly, i think this guy is just risking his own
safety.

That man is instead a fool who does not know the Truth of God. And those who emulate him are born of the same spirit that he is.

franugo:
Was Jesus originally specially created as the son of God or was he a normal angel and his act of volunteering raised him to the exalted position of "son of God "?

If He was an ordinary angel before He volunteered then He would not have been God's begotten Son from His beginning also meaning that He was not always the Word of God aka God's Law and Truth from His beginning, right?

MikeofAfrica:
Take it easy my friend. Jesus Christ was not born on Xmas day. Infact, nobody know the actual day that He was born. However, the early Christians decided to Mark and celebrate His birthday on December 25th. There is absolute nothing wrong with that. The argument that December 25th was formerly used by pagans to worship a deity does not invalidate the celebration of Xmas on December 25th.

2. Also remember that "Sunday" was a day devouted to the worship of the Sun. However, Christians also decided to select " Sunday" as the day to worship the Almighty God .

1. I am afraid you are in error. The fact that the idea to celebrate His birthday did not come from Jesus Christ means it is a Pagan holiday. Now, according to God, those who believe in Him can only honor Him by doing that which He commands in His Law. Essentially, you can only use God's Name for that which is as commanded by Him. What this means is it is sin against God to use His name to brand that which He never commanded.

2. The term Pagan as used in scripture applies to pretty much anything that does not originate from God Himself. So long as your Sunday rituals were not commanded by God Himself,they are Pagan and not of God.

gaby:
.You are truly deranged.
Go find your likes to quote and engage in a back-and-forth, please. I don't do kolos

What the heck is this one yapping about? I quoted you because you posted a comment on nairaland, a forum open to all members. If you don't want to be quoted then cease posting your views immediately and clear your past posts while you are at it.

franugo:
Any comment is welcome cause it's not clear to me. Was it the selfless act of volunteering to die for humans that made him son of God or did God create him specially, to be his son instead of the way he created normal angels?

Can you rephrase your question so we can maybe better understand where you are coming from.

Are you asking if Jesus Christ was begotten fully God's Son from even before He was born a human here on earth?

Or are you asking if Jesus Christ underwent some of transformation after He supposedly volunteered to come down as God's Covenant of peace in human form?