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FavouredNK:
■Yet majority of these taking the back door could have also been avoided if God and genuine love was a part of that decision from the onset.
■ If these two were allowed to take preference from the beginning before the union was consummated, forgiveness wouldn't be so difficult and maybe just maybe occasions that demand forgiveness may not have even arisen in the first place because like I said earlier.
■If two people genuinely and sincerely care for each other, hurting the other will be like hurting urself even if it's in secret.

■ God said your marriages are of this world and not of the Kingdom of God - Genesis 3 vs 16 & Luke 20 vs 34 - 36, so first, please stop dragging God's name into this. Second, how do you define "genuine love"? Are we all the same that we should all then define it the same way we do for ourselves and for others?

2. Stop lying! How does the time of consummation impact a person's ability to be in or act in a relationship? Following your insinuation here, most Churchians who claimed to possess God and genuine love shouldn't see the end of their marriages then, but sadly, the divorce rate in your religious settings mirrors that of those outside of such settings, implying that what your claims here are baseless imaginings and nothing more.

3. Sure, but humans change too.

Tunagee:
Where you with the lady Osinachi in her home to know she suffered domestic violence!!!

The police reports are clear that she did.

prophetfire:
. That's how your teaching made Osinachi the gospel musician to continue to forgive till she went down six feet. Yes one can forgive, but you must not always remain in a marriage even after forgiving. It depends on the issues at play.

ROFLMAO!


Osinachi forgot that you can forgive and also choose to run away!

Xcelinteriors:
The key point is love your wife wholeheartedly and watch her respect and submit to you. You don't beg for respect, you earn it

That only happens in the fairy world. Even women do not all share the same personality types and react the same to stimuli!

Leilami:
■One thing I have noticed is marriages are full of selfish people who hate making compromises.
The selfish person could be the man or the woman and when one of them gets tired of being the bigger person all the time or holding the fort the marriage breaks down. Sometimes the selfish person could be both genders in marriage. I wanted to get married to someone once and I realised that every decision we made was all about him. It was like he just wanted me to come into the marriage like a figurehead. You know a decoration while he favoured himself with all the plans, decision-making, etc. I knew if I married that one I will cease to exist in the marriage so I turned down his proposal.

■How can you want to marry a human like yourself with a different upbringing, needs, desires, and ideas and refuse to create a room or accommodate them? No inclusion. How about you just marry yourself? Everything was about him! him!! him!!!. The selfishness was migraine-inducing I just ran. This was someone dating him on its own was a huge compromise on my part but to make decisions together that will affect both our lives was a no-no. He just couldn't ever have things not go his way for once. I just knew if I married him I would end up resenting him so I just broke the thing off. Most people aren't ready to be married. Marriage involves sacrifice, compromise, selflessness, understanding, empathy, and putting each other first above yourselves on both parts. It takes two to tango but some are not ready to have the discussion.

1. ROFLMAO

xristos:
show me the scripture that supports your belief..and I'll show mine. all what u wrote above are reasonable and necessary but are classified as OTHERS.. it's not the aim

Procreation was never the aim of marriage from it's beginning.

Baddosqqi:
Once you're married to the idea and not the man then the marriage will definitely fail. What is the idea? Bright goals and Mind blowing dreams... If they fail, the marriage will crash!

Loving and standing by a man who has great ideas is fine, but if you're only loving for just that, and you are not seeing yourself in the picture of helping him make that dream come through then that is dangerous. Such a marriage must crash.

What about loving and standing by a woman who has great ideas? Isn't that allowed in these things or are men the only ones whose dreams are worth picturing oneself in?

FavouredNK:
■This mindset is the reason many of you can't build a good home because it has already collapsed before you even started. As far as I m concerned marriage is a beautiful thing because it's a union between two hearts that supposed to beat as one. You are meant to marry your friend and soulmate believing to build up your heaven in it to dwell together forever. At that point when you first meet and develop a thing for each other, it shouldn't be about what any of you possessed materially or what to gain materially but the beating of your hearts which will be the bedrock on which every other achievement will be built upon. If you genuinely love and care for one another in all circumstances, you will so bond together that it will be difficult for any of you to hurt each other even in secret.
■ I know that many of you will come after me but I m talking from experience and this is the secret of my 23 years of a very blissful marriage. It's not about procreation because we agreed and only had one daughter who gives us so much joy while we still enjoy our marriage as if we just met yesterday. And if it's for sex, how do you enjoy sex with someone that you don't love or can't bond with?So be careful of what you place ahead in getting your life partner before you start generalizing marriage as something bad because for me it's the most beautiful experience.

1. Those are from fantastical stories you have fed on, stories fueled by love represented by brain chemicals and sex hormones. The problem is those fade in time, then what do you have left when reality sets in? That is where marriage really should begin. Marriage is meant to be an agreement — a business partnership of sorts — between a man and woman, and love is to be defined by that agreement. Procreation is indeed secondary.

2. Nice to here! Now, if only we can hear from your other half to confirm if it has also been blissful from her point of view.

BigYash:
Even a teenager can easily tell the difference between the marriages of those days and the ones full of deceit we have everywhere theses says. And that's where your foolishness comes in.. I hope you get it now?

You mean because more men now more easily abandon their marriages and so also more women in tow?

Porksupplyib:
■You are so interested in creating another type of "marriage" to suit your defination of what it should be like. That is why you are having your almost 40% (and soaring)divorce rate. Well goodluck to you.
■Enjoy ur multiple marriages and multiple divorces in your lifetime

1. I am afraid I didn't create any type of marriage here. Divorce rates in that country have been as high as that since the time of your ancestors. You lot all just turned a blind eye to it all back then is what. Marriage abandonment has always been an accepted norm and many of this generation were raised in homes where one parent, fathers, in particular, would abandon their family to start another somewhere else — an informal kind of divorce but divorce nonetheless.

2. Don't pretend now that these things are new.

perdollar:
u mentioned the two things that matters as irrelevant and d one that doesn't matter as as relevant. R u high on sth?

2 things that matter? LOL... you are deceived.

Gospel2Day:
Your rash and rushed comment reveals your ignorance of the Bible.
There's no need arguing with or replying someone who obviously suffers from the arrogance of ignorance.
Read through the New Testament of the Bible three times. After doing that, return here for a civilized and informed discussion.
Shalom.

Again....
■Did Jesus Christ ask anyone to build what you call Christian centers to begin with?
■Did Jesus Christ ask anyone to attend church services and submit themselves to pastors and mogs to begin with?
■Did Jesus Christ say you can even use His name for that which is not approved by Him?

BigYash:
If you were wise,you will understand that the days of my ancestors and now are different.

How so, you who pretend to be wise?

Gospel2Day:
He named a Christian Center after David, NOT after Jesus, despite His many Names revealed in the Bible.
This generation of ministers won't stop amazing me.
Jesus called every true Christian community "My Church".
But you named your own ministry David's Church.
Continue...

Did Jesus Christ ask anyone to build what you call Christian centers to begin with? Did Jesus Christ ask anyone to attend church services and submit themselves to pastors and mogs to begin with? Did Jesus Christ say you can even use His name for that which is not approved by Him?

BigYash:
Marriage these days is for making kids,nothing anybody wan tell me.. Love or let me say lust has an expiry date. Once it expires,the couple turns cat and rat in their homes..

Didn't your ancestors choose marriage for that same purpose too?

livinbygrace:
■Divorce was not high like this those days. Why Is the case of divorce on increase ,now that we have many marriage councilors/seminars or preachers ?
■I have noticed that most of these preachers/councillors sweet talks a lot,and always in favor of ladies just to increase their congregations Which is not really having any positive impact in marriages these days.

1. Don't listen to the lies. Marriage abandonment was high during the time of our ancestors. The reason it was kept low was those who were abandoned had to continue in shame , pretending they were still in marriage so society did not make examples of them. As far back as the 80s that trend was high enough that you had a significant number of your own classmates who you knew were no longer living with or supported by their fathers.

2. Focus on the topic abeg!

bonnyhope:
Whatever way you want to look at it. There's always a statement of purpose for everything . If you stay in marriage because of kids, fine. If you stay because of what society will say, fine. If you stay because of poverty, good. And if you leave due to another purpose
Fine

You stay because of kids but what are you teaching these kids? That all life is worth is suffering and smiling and pretending you do it for them? How about you teach them what love is about by first loving yourself enough not to lie to yourself? They would benefit greatly from that than they would from the delusions of using them or society as reason to stay in hellish situation.

jagjag:
For your information and Incase of next time, there is nothing like people are compatible. No one is compatible with anyone, we are all different and unique in our own ways and can never people compatible. If we are compatible, there won't be need for forgiveness in marriage, compromise, patience, understanding and etc. So let's all remove the idea of compatibility. Marriage is about two different person with the capacity to forgive, understand, compromise, unlearn and learn and any other attributes to put in the effort to make a marriage work. So marriage is not about I am compatible with someone, after all, what is the yardstick you use in measuring your compatibility with some who can change in character, attitude or whatever 5 years into the marriage. The question is that as a man or woman, do you have the qualities and ready to put in the work to sustain a marriage. If not, remain single until you are ready.

I tend to agree with this.

perdollar:
Marriage na scam. I am beginning to hate it.

Marriage has never been a scam. Instead, it is an agreement one has to enter into with eyes wide open not a brain filled with love chemicals and body high on sex hormones.

Porksupplyib:
■Whether we like it or not, truth remains that OUR "FREEDOM WILL BE OUR UNDOING." A society that allows anyone to do as they like without hindrance is only heading for disaster. You can blame the past marriages of our parents all you like, but truth remains that it kept the society SANE!

■This generation wants to have all the freedom to do as they like. They quote "affecting their Mental health" as excuse at the slightest opportunity.
That is why we see LGBT and the likes springing up with full force all over the world. FREEDOM is a CURSE!
A sane society must keep frowning on divorce, singlehood of adults, sexual immoralities,(sex outside marriage) etc

■Allowances for divorces should be reduced in other to save the society from crumbling.
Unfortunately we are fast at copying the western culture and calling it "enlightment" In years from now we will see the result of that "freedom to do and undo" we so crave for.

1. Stop lying! It only kept women shackled while men we allowed to abandon them and even their kids after using them. Same trend you see even today.

2. This generation is a product of the mistakes of your ancestors. Think carefully of it all that way and you may begin to realize that the fire you see today was kindled from smoke raised by your ancestors.

3. So you want to pretty much return to days of marriage as a prison sentence for women , and let me guess, not for men, like your ancestors had it?.LOL...

Godfullsam:
Some marriages don expire even before their first child clock 20 yrs.Most couples are only stay on extra time.
I have noticed that what bind these young marriage together is sex. Once the couples have out grown the age of sexual attraction, things automatically fall apart and the begin to act like room mates.

More and more the younger couples are refusing to bow to the same old lies that their parents did ..... that is simply what is happening. Their parent's in the "suffering-&-marriage" type marriages couldn't teach them what love is in marriage since they too have no clue but one thing the kids learnt is they it is not worth anything to endure "suffering-&'smiling" sentence.

Meandmycrew:
And how are you sure yours wont pack up mr preacher?

So long as marriage involves at least one human being expect change to happen at some point and that change could mean the person is no longer in love with you.

KingLennon:
Am not saying, all marriages back then were roses. Am just saying divorce rate was lesser. And growing up I saw many couples growing together till old age....u get the point?

Pastor just told you the reason 3y divorce rate appeared less then and why many of them continue to hold on while their kids won't

ednut1:
Marriage is about sacrifice and raising the next generation of children. Its not about how you feel or fairytales. Pastor rest

That one na lie!

LordReed:
Really? Mention 5 nations whose constitution was derived from the bible.

Nah! Most of the nations that existed at the time instead had constitutions that Israel's - The National Constitution of the State of Israel - was likely derived from or at least mirrored to some extent. The Nation started out as a nation of men, not gods and so the Constitution was designed for living in the land of men even as they were urged to rise to become gods by obeying also the special laws of God as a Nation.

naijapikin2:
■ 2 Chronicles 20:20,
■ Mathew 10:41,
■ jeremiah 3:15.
■ If you don't have and believe in a prophet over your life, you will still hang where you were in 2022. It's ok if you believe in babalawo or other fetish things but it is only the blessings of God that comes and adds no sorrow to it. my brother, for every verse you give me that is relevant to our discussion I'll read digest and accept, wisely.
■I also urge you to read the verses I'll send you. I'm confident that you believe in God, and I can tell you that many have the wrong belief that we worship our prophet more than God. That's totally untrue, no one is perfect not even our papa. My friend, a lie is something that cannot be substantiated, if I tell you that tithing works for abeg let me continue to enjoy the benefits in it. If you don't believe in it, it won't work for you.May the spirit of God give us more understanding of the word of God. Thanks for your time. Shalom

1. Isn't it a thing of utter evil that you cast God as a liar by rejecting the fact that the problem which He made specifically with the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan, a Nation which He constituted of the children of Israel — those who have the blood of Israel coursing through their veins — excludes you, a Gentile who does not reside in the land of Canaan?

17 You will not have to fight this battle. Just stand there and watch the Lord save you. Judah and Jerusalem, don’t be afraid. Don’t worry, because the Lord is with you. So go out to stand against those people tomorrow.’”
18 Jehoshaphat bowed with his face to the ground. And all the people of Judah and Jerusalem bowed down before the Lord and worshiped him.
19 The Levites from the Kohath family groups and the Korah family stood up to praise the Lord, the God of Israel. They sang very loudly.
20 Early the next morning, Jehoshaphat’s army went out into [b]the desert of Tekoa. As they marched out, Jehoshaphat stood there saying, “Listen to me, men of Judah and Jerusalem. Have faith in the Lord your God, and you will stand strong! Have faith in his prophets, and you will succeed!”[/b] - 2 Chronicles 20 vs 17 - 20

Here you quote verses which only apply to those who live in the Land that belongs to God believing God was possibly being foolish when He made clear in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 that these promises belong only to Israel in the Land of Canaan, yet you think you make sense in claiming you worship the very same God?

2. Jesus Christ, in Matthew 10 vs 41, never instructed you to believe in a prophet. Unlike in God's Old Covenant, Jesus Christ never promised to send Prophets to His followers in the New agreement which He made in the Kingdom of God.

40 “Whoever accepts you also accepts me. And whoever accepts me accepts the one who sent me.
41 Whoever accepts a prophet because he is a prophet will get the same reward a prophet gets. And whoever accepts a godly person just because that person is godly will get the same reward a godly person gets.
42 Whoever helps any of these little ones because they are my followers will definitely get a reward, even if they only give them a cup of cold water.” - Matthew 10 vs 40 - 42

As Jesus Christ explained to you in His Gospel. John, the Baptist was the last Old Covenant Prophet sent by God, and so, Jesus Christ, Himself, is the prophet that His followers are called to accept and obey. That is what He was trying to tell you in that context but I see it went over your head there. There is no other prophet to come after Him.

3. Never lift a verse out-of-context to assert your private delusion. Always pay close attention to context!

14 The Lord says, “You people are unfaithful, but come back to me because I am your master. I will take one person from every city and two people from every family and bring you to Zion.
15 Then I will give you new rulers who will be faithful to me. They will lead you with knowledge and understanding.
16 In those days there will be many of you in the land.” This message is from the Lord. “At that time people will never again say, ‘I remember the days when we had the Box of the Lord’s Agreement.’ They will not even think about the Holy Box anymore. They will not even remember or miss it. They will never make another Holy Box.
17 At that time the city of Jerusalem will be called the ‘Lord’s Throne.’ All nations will come together in the city of Jerusalem to give honor to the name of the Lord. They will not follow their stubborn, evil hearts anymore.
18 In those days the family of Judah will join the family of Israel. They will come together from a land in the north to the land I gave to their ancestors.” - Jeremiah 3 vs 14 - 18

The above passage speaks of that which is to take place during the time of the resurrection when God gathers all of His Israel previously scattered by God all across the world back to Israel. Those new rulers who will be faithful to God, in verse 15, are the Special Priests — children of Israel who are also Sons of God — prepared by God for that very purpose at that time - Exodus 19 vs 6 & Revelations 5 vs 9 - 10.

4. The man you claim as a prophet over your life and soul is no better than a Babalawo, so, stop pretending you have something of value as clearly, your utterances cast doubt on your claims to worship to God of Israel and not an idol.

5. Every single verse you posted has served as an indictment against your claims to be associated with the God of Israel. As I said earlier, even those who frequent a Babalawo's shop also swear by his work so, I am not moved by your claims that, against God, your tithing schemes work for you. Know that those who set themselves against God. Jesus Christ made clear that you cannot serve two masters in the Kingdom of God. Meaning it is impossible to serve both Jesus Christ and a Babalawo you call a prophet over you at the same time. Jesus Christ assured such individuals that they will fall into the same ditch that their false/blind teachers will fall into in the end - Matthew 15 vs 14.

AdetoyeAyomikun:
....Next, Jesus emphasizes to His disciples that their lives are enormously valuable. They are the salt of the earth and the light of the world. That’s why it is so important they do the good works God gives them to do. It is how those in the darkness of the world will see God. Like lamps give light to a dark room, or salt prevents decay in food, Christian influence is meant to counter evil and despair (Matthew 5:13–16).
Jesus then makes it clear He has not come to do away with “the Law or the Prophets.” This phrase is a reference to the Scriptures we now call the Old Testament. They are not being dismissed, but Jesus has come to satisfy them. His mission is not to discard those commandments, but to bring them to their full and complete purpose. In order to do that, Jesus explains the deeper meaning of those commands. This begins with a remark about exceeding the righteousness of the infamously strict scribes and Pharisees. His point is twofold: their righteousness is superficial, and no person can be good enough to earn heaven on their own (Matthew 5:17–20).

What does it mean to have a righteousness that surpasses that of Israel’s religious leaders? Jesus explains this with a series of examples using a pattern of “you have heard…but I say.” The point is not necessarily to dismiss the words being taught. Rather, Jesus’ point is to explain that there is something more to God’s commandments than bare legalism. In each case, Jesus explains that merely avoiding physical sin is not “good enough.” God intends His Words to affect our hearts—our thoughts and attitudes can be sins, just as much as our behavior and speech.
......Divorce, in Jesus’ era, was given very loose restrictions. In practice, men could dismiss their wives for virtually any reason. God’s command about divorce was not a sign of His approval (Deuteronomy 24:1–4), it was meant to protect women from unfair treatment. Jesus shreds selfish attitudes towards marriage by saying no divorce is valid except in cases such as sexually immorality. Marriage is not something we are meant to put on and take off like a coat. It has sacred implications and should be treated accordingly (Matthew 5:31–32).

Jesus also dismissed the use of casual oaths. This does not mean wedding vows, courtroom oaths, or contracts. Jesus is speaking of sealing promises with some kind of “I swear by…” statement. While the Old Testament allowed for oaths in the name of God (Leviticus 19:12), people of Jesus’ era would swear on lesser things, often to excuse later violations. People even today will add “I cross my heart…” or “I swear…” to suggest a promise is sincere. Since this implies the person’s word is not always trustworthy, Jesus says such oaths are evil (Matthew 5:33–37).

Christ also refers to the Old Testament’s law of retaliation (Deuteronomy 19:21). This was meant to prevent conflicts from spiraling out of control, by keeping punishments equal to the offense. In personal matters, though, Jesus commands believers to seek peace over “getting even.” Insults and abuses should be ignored—or returned with more love and service than the aggressor expects. This even extends to demonstrating love and praying for those who hate and persecute us (Matthew 5:38–47).

.... I see now that your intention was never to come closer to knowing Jesus Christ, the truth of God by this here exercise. You are simply here to hoodwink others into sharing in the same private interpretations — delusions aka lies— that you hold to.

achorladey:
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

You have already stated the DOGS BENEFIT. Who are the children? Who are the dogs? The children are children of who?
Are the DOGS natural descents of the children?

What dogs have to do with what is clearly documented in John 1 vs 1 - 13, you would need to explain to me because I have absolutely no idea how or why you keep trying to inject that into that context.

Read Matthew 15 vs 21 - 28 to learn of how the dogs — the non-Israelites — benefit from the crumbs that fall to them from the master's table, this while keeping in mind that Jesus Christ decreed that that which is holy not be given to the dogs - Matthew 7 vs 6.

AdetoyeAyomikun:
■Check the explained it was from BibleRef.com. Thanks for the observation and replies because it helps this get to more people
■And about that copied verse actually make a lot of meaning � Devil was testing The lust of the flesh
■What baffles me about you is that you even read this.. I think you should be respected if not for this attack you love of a thing
What is your social media handle sir

1. What has bibleref.com to do with you feeding folks with your private interpretation of what is clearly written in scripture for all to read and accept?
2. It has meaning because you reject what is in fact written and would rather it be understood according to your delusion of choice?
3. Is this an attempt by you to distract from the fact that you conveniently inserted what are your delusions into this so-called reading of the New Testament?

michael132:
Is the same message ..I have read and examined it myself

What same message? How did you "examine it"?

Jamestaiwo:
You do not need God to get things. Serving God is not a means to acquire things.. When you have the Right understanding about the Subject matter, your relationship with God will be like Father to son

This is ridiculous! So, he claims it is beneath him to ask his highly-placed connection in government for a favor regarding an NYSC posting; he ought to capitalize and ask instead for maybe an oil well. My question is then this, isn't this analogy pretty much about using God as a means to an end which He spent all that time ranting against? What is an oil well if not an end?

Anywho, OP, go to Jesus Christ Himself so He can teach you of Himself. He said He is the only teacher to all those who belong to the Kingdom of God- Matthew 23 vs 8 - 10. So when you set others are teachers over yourself, you reject Jesus Christ, and as such set yourself against Him and His Kingdom.

DoWhatThouWilt:
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Again...1. Are you insinuating that God does not want His children using digital means to store their pearls or what?

2. I fail to see what any of this has to do with God or those who belong to Him. It all seems you are desperately attempting here to project what appears to be a delusion onto God. Look, if you are not able to handle reality as it presents itself, I suggest you seek mental health counseling rather than pretend any of what you are dealing with connects in some way with God and things of God.