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Truvelisback:
Why was the prayer of the sinner who went with the pharisee to the synangouge to pray answered? What prayer did he offer?

The sinner went to ask God for forgiveness in obedience to God's very own decree in His Law, as Jesus Christ explained there in that context to you.

9 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt:
10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
11 The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.
12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’
13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.” - Luke 18 vs 9 - 14

A. The Pharisee foolishly assumed that his vain religious acts would earn him God's forgiveness of his sins and so he didn't even bother asking God for the forgiveness of his sins.
B. The tax collector, on the other hand, did as God commanded. He, in obedience to God's commandment, asked God for the forgiveness of his sins. He humbled himself that is in obedience to God's law and decrees, in that simplest request which He made to God.

And as Jesus Christ explained in verse 14, those who humble themselves - obey the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ - will be exalted.

Truvelisback:
Repentance can be prayer too. We have different kinds of prayer. We have prayer of repentance.

Your prayers of repentance are a lie. Open your eyes to see how even your very own prayers of repentance continue to go unanswered to this day. Your life remains tangled up in many of the same sins you supposedly prayed your prayers of repentance for several times. That should serve as more than enough evidence for you that such prayers are meaningless.

dave601:
The fact that Xmas has a lot of lies or deceptions in it shows it's from the devil not God. Cos the devil is called the father of lies. Xmas deceives people especially children...

You are wrong!

Christmas is a pagan holiday, simple as that. And like every other pagan holiday--- Independence day, Labor day, Easter, Halloween, etc., there are no laws barring the followers of Jesus Christ from celebrating Pagan holidays. Ofcourse it makes no sense to associate such celebrations with Jesus Christ.

Ekrenji:
Really? Please provide evidence for all you said in the Bible

Jesus Christ never taught His followers that there exists a greatest sin to begin with. There is an unforgivable sin but not a greatest sin.

MytyD:
All other gods exist for ur information idiot
But there's only one true God
And that's Yahweh elshadai
Idiot

But according to scripture YHWH is instead the name associated with the Covenant given only to the people of Israel in the land of Canaan. So, are you an Israelite living in the land of Canaan?

MytyD:
Ono bro it's not lyk I'm fighting for God
But it's just that there are crossing their line
Imaging someone calling Jesus a bastard

Did Jesus Christ tell you to take offense for His sake when He is called a bastard or something?

MytyD:
Hey atheist all of una are useless

Why don't u challenge a Christian like me to give u proofs of God's existences

I am a follower of Jesus Christ but I am very much interested in learning of these proofs of God's existence which you claim to have. Can you point them out to me?

Jamestaiwo:
1. Point of Correction. No believer can live in Sin.
2. Living in Sin means Christ's death is futile. Cos the Death of Christ has destroyed the Nature of Sin. So living in Sin is impossible for believer.

3. However, By Implication that Sin Nature is disarmed and Destroyed forever, The Act of Sin exists due to unavailability to renew the mind.The Act of Sin reduces in Man as long as He feed and being taught by the Word of God.

4. There is no A Man that doesn't sin, but because we believed in Christ. We are Righteous in Christ.

5. Once you accepted Christ, you are Saved. What do you understand by Everlasting Life?

1. That happens to be a special lie that your false prophets and false teachers feed you in order to keep you blind to God's Truth. According to Jesus Christ, those who become born-again gain access to the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1-8 -either through the broad gate which leads to destruction(eternal damnation)or through the narrow gate which leads to true life(eternal reward) - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 & Luke 13 vs 22 - 30 - meaning that all of those who will end up condemned by Jesus Christ when He returns and judges His flock - the sheep and goats - are all of them born again - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. That is, everyone who will end up condemned by Jesus Christ to eternal damnation also believes in Jesus Christ and is also born-again, the only way to enter into the Kingdom of God where eternal damnation is a possible fate. Pay attention to the fact that this here is as declared by the one who is King and Law, in the Kingdom of God, Himself.

2. All that na meaningless soundbites wey your pastors and mogs feed you in order to sweeten their lies. Jesus Christ instead said, "No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.” What that means is His death is His own and His choice which He made of His own.

3. Yet more meaningless soundbites! Look, sin simply means disobedience of God's direct commandments.

4. God's commandments aren't unlimited in number so it is very much possible to not disobey the limited commandments and teaching. What this means is when God said to the Israelites of Old, "Be ye holy, for I the Lord am Holy", God was not being dubious by His command to His people. The same thing when Jesus Christ commanded, "Be ye Holy even as your Father in Heaven is Holy", Jesus Christ was not given to His followers the impossible but that which is not only possible but has already been accomplished by Him, the Helper to those who belong to Him. So when you say it is impossible for a man not to sin against God, not only do you perpetuate the delusions of the ones who feed you these lies, but you also admit that you willingly abide in Sin against the Almighty somehow expecting Him to turn a blind eye to your willful sins against Him.

5. Jesus Christ never said you are saved once you accept Him. On the contrary, He declared that only those who stand faithful --- those who live their lives in continuous submission and obedience to HIs teachings and commandments --- will be saved at the end - Matthew 24 vs 12 - 13 & Mark 13 vs 13 . So, are you insinuating that Jesus Christ lied to you and that you are instead only saved when you accept Him at the beginning?

P.S. those who will be damned to eternal damnation by Jesus Christ also have eternal life which you claim there. Jesus Christ clearly explained that eternal life simply saves you from God's curse of death - John 3 vs 16. He never said it, eternal life aka grace saves you from God's judgment of those who are in the Kingdom of God.

Kingsmm55:
Remember....in sickness.. In good health...you are one; no exemption clause...unless you are on self deception them activate your wish....

But the man broke that clause when he chose his sidechick over her in his good health. So, why must she be expected to honor a clause already broken?

Truvelisback:
U and ur long epistle. Na simple question i ask.

I already understand you believe God a joke. Why you persist in attempts to associate yourself with His name, by force, is beyond me. Obviously, you don't know Him and His Word has no direct impact on your life to date so why pretend you can cling to Him in any way --- when He has made no such provision?

vooks:
You make much sense until you realize that Christian leaders receive a lot of private information from their congregation by way of counseling,prayer request and testimonies unlike secular leaders. That they conveniently forget to reciprocate this is quite telling.

I suppose it's like bad 'omen' to just stand there and say, 'by His stripes am healed' but am flying out to India for a major surgery'. Imagine the benefit of honesty. The whole congregation praying with you. Now contrast that with a proud leader who won't admit to stubborn and probably life threatening sickness, and instead opts to fight it out alone

ROFLMAO

Truvelisback:
What if sinners pray in repentance, won't God hear him? Is that not an act of obedience? The parable of the Pharisee and the sinner is a good example.

▪︎A sinner is a person who is already under Law, in this case God's New Covenant and agreement of peace, meaning the person already claims to believe in God and so is mandated to submit to and obey God's teachings and commandments just as everyone else under Law is required to, but refuses to. No amount of doing that which is not commanded will cause God to change His mind in that regard.
▪︎ There is no such thing as prayer of repentance as repentance is only accomplished through obedience of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ regarding repentance.

▪︎ What the sinner did in that parable was seek for his forgiveness in accordance with that stipulated in God's Law .I.e. his act was in obedience to stipulated law. In addition, if he hadn't observed other connected laws such as that which demands he forgive all others who have erred against Him before approaching God with His request, the Law says he will not be forgiven by God. Is such a case, He would simply be a sinner-- one who refuses to obey God's Law - demanding forgiveness from God and that is an abomination.

So, you see, obedience of God's commandment is what is mandated in all cases.

ochibuogwu5:
may be, we need to re-examine what is rest for a human being, does a human being really have rest without the consciousness of death, judgment, hell-fire, heaven and his relationship with His Creator at any given second of this earthly existence

What is Rest? Does awareness of God's judgment of death on mankind, eternal damnation which is God's judgment against the sinners in the Kingdom of God, God's reward for the righteous in the Kingdom of God, etc., nullify Rest as defined by God? If we are to consider the Old Covenant Sabbath for our benefit, a day of rest is a day when one does not work for perishable bread. We are talking of a day when one only engages in activities that bring in no perishable rewards to one's existence. Knowledge, even of God's wrath and blessings to come where not said to play a role in affirming or nullifying the Sabbath-only rest that was prescribed as Holy rest for His people.

muyico:
Resting place on earth? Plz indicate? or u mean resting ground? "burial ground"?

Resting place? Why must there be a particular place for the rest that is from God?

UnusualEmissary:
God knows best

Shouldn't that then mean you ought to understanding from Him alone and always then?.

muyico:
Rest? No resting place on earth! Except baba GOD Garden in heaven

So when Jesus Christ said He has come to give rest to all those who will trust and obey Him, He instead meant they cannot have rest until after they are dead and gone from this earth - Matthew 11 vs 28 - 30?

Jokanem:
1. Was speaking in tongues to continue permanently?No. ...

2. When did speaking in tongues cease? The gifts of the holy spirit were generally passed on to other Christians in the presence of the apostles, ...

1. So, what you are invariably saying that Jesus Christ lied when He decreed that those who belong to Him(even those in our world today) will speak in tongues(note the world is plural) they never learned)? You believe He lied when He declared His Word - His teachings and commandments, God's very Covenant of Peace to the House of Israel - everlasting ?

2. So if you believe this "gift" indeed ceased, is that then confirmation that there are none today, including all those in your cult/group, that is indeed of Jesus Christ?

I mean according to Jesus Christ, this was God's very own Mark on those who belong to Him ---- Isaiah 66 vs 18 -21 ---- and Jesus Christ said that Mark was everlasting by His decree that His Word, God’s New Covenant of peace, is everlasting. So when you declare it cease, you insinuate that God’s Covenant has ceased hence making God a liar is this.

Why associate yourselves with a God whose words mean absolutely nothing to you?

bobestman:
You can believe a lie and be bold in expressing it, that is what u all do here, that is not knowledge for truth speaks in silence and riddles, only the pure will see and understand. Continue ur iberebe

Again.. isn't the blind man where it comes to belief the one who can't clearly express whatever it is he claims to believe him without putting his foot in his mouth everytime he makes an attempt to explain his belief, that is?

bobestman:
teach what you know and leave others to what know. Every1 has their truth and errors. God is not interested in any religion. All are hogwash to him with their many lies and abomination. He shall make a statement 4 all to know him and the son psalm 2. Rejecting them is what brings wrath. Your religion, bible, doctrines etc are full of errors cos they are works of men. A statement must be made 4 all to know the truth that set free. What many know is the lie. He is right. Other religions will follow what they believe untill shiloh comes to make it clear and show the right way. All are in blindness till that day for all are in sin and their is no one righteous bf the father

Again.... isn't the blind man where it comes to belief the one who can't clearly express whatever it is he claims to believe him without putting his foot in his mouth everytime he makes an attempt to explain his belief, that is?

Buskynwa:
Yeah,but i wont starve till April na. I prefer a proper job

Try to think of it this way, if you had considered having your own side farm from even before you started having kids, you would have been able to save up money for hard times or at least ensured that even when one of you had no work, you still had a source for food. It is not too late to implement that safety net beginning today.

And, I don't have a proper job that I can give you at this time.

Truvelisback:
U are now digressing to prayers of sinners. Is that what Op is saying? Is the prayer of the righteous not act of obedience?

Pay attention!
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Truvelisback:
Is praying to God not an act of obedience?

It is made clear in scripture that the prayer of sinners is an abomination to God -Proverbs 15:8-29 -, so clearly simply praying to God is not in itself an act of obedience. Instead obedience of God's commandments and teachings is instead the act of obedience that honors God. The righteous are those who live their lives in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of God and that is what makes their prayer a delight to God. Your Churchian prayer rituals have nothing to do with that commanded by God hence it amounts to an abomination to God.

Truvelisback:
Is praying to God not an act of obedience?

It is made clear in scripture that the prayer of sinners is an abomination to God -Proverbs 15:8-29 -, so clearly simply praying to God is not in itself an act of obedience. Instead obedience of God's commandments and teachings is instead the act of obedience that honors God. Your Churchian prayer rituals have nothing to do with that commanded by God hence amounts to an abomination.

Truvelisback:
Don't mind Kobojunkiee, he just like argueing blindly.

I understand well that God is a joke to you!

Buskynwa:
Thanks

https://www.nairaland.com/7345038/growing-crops-sacks

Start now and begin reaping as early as April of this year, job or no Job. And if you do well, you can plan your garden or small farm very well, you can have a system that puts food on your table all year long. :

cooooooks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwuCkvIvd6w

Interesting!

Buskynwa:
Thats true bro but anyone who wants to help should do it out of his own generosity cuz someone might truly need help...Plus no matter the facade if i were a lady calling for hookup youll see able bodied men trooping in nt minding if i was fake.
thats life but i just want help thats all

Other posts to help your journey to providing for your family even while unemployed.
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bobestman:
why do you always want to teach every1 when u urself is in great error and blindness...remove the beam in ur eyes first cos you are a blind man

isn't the blind man where it comes to belief the one who can't clearly express whatever it is he claims to believe him without putting his foot in his mouth everytime he makes an attempt to explain his belief, that is?

Napata77:
1. My words were: ''They are invalidating all other cultural approaches to engaging the Divine, save theirs.'' Do you know what to invalidate means?

2. How old are you? You think this is about crime and the police? I think I'm done with you.

1. What I don't understand is how they invalidate all these other cultural approaches to accessing your divine by their preaching. Are you of the mind that their beliefs are factual or what? .

2. If no crime has been committed by them then why do you accuse them to be barbaric in their beliefs?

Napata77:
1. I believe in the Divine, or the Source, or Creator, and I speak to him/her, because I know there is more to life than our 5 sense reality reveals.

2. I choose not to be in a religion, as I see no need for it. But for those who DO decide to be religious, they owe it as a responsibility to society to not disrupt our peace by making outrageous claims about their religious exclusiveness and the hell-bound destiny of non-converts.

1. So you already access your divine without inhibition? So what do you mean by saying the religious folks invalidate your access to your divine?

2. You are not religious but you think it your place to mind the business of the religious? If they disrupt society then shouldn't you report them to the police if crime is committed by them then?