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bobestman:
10kobo..you were talkig to me but afraid to mention abi. Well you wont understand cos what is here is older and bigger than you

Like I continue to reiterate, delusions born of the minds of men is what Religion is all about.

Karleb:
Actually, it is very very easy to stop attending church these days.

It has always been easy.

MikeofAfrica:
1. I have given you a layman example of how Jesus became the final authority in Heaven or Earth. He is sitting at the right hand of the Father and has modify the laws of Moses into two which is love the Lord your God with all your heart and love your neighbour as yourself.

2. Those commandments of Jesus is superceds every other law and commandments in the Bible.

3. Your argument has been that the laws of God given to Moses are everlasting and cannot be abolish or modify by Jesus Christ or anyone. However, when I began to read out the laws of Moses , you decided to change your argument. You now believe the laws of Moses that you have been defending as been supreme are only meant for Israel. Hence if the laws of Moses are only meant for Israel and Jesus Christ has no power to make any law according to you, which laws or commandments are you now living under?

4. It is only a hypocrite that will tell someone to only do what he says but never imitate his actions. Jesus leds by example, He is not a hypocrite.

5. When you join a Bible living Church, you will learn more about Jesus and how you can follow His footsteps.

1. I am afraid so-called examples are born of nothing but ignorance as every single one of them directly contradicts what was stated by Jesus Christ Himself regarding His personage.

2. Yet Jesus Christ Himself said that He did not come to do away with God's Old Law of Moses, the very same Law with which He, Jesus Christ, is expected to rule over Israel with when He returns to reign at the time of the resurrection, as prophesied by the prophets? You really don't know Jesus Christ, do you? You have no idea who He is?

3. You really don't even begin to understand who Jesus Christ is, at all! He told you He is the new agreement — a separate and New Covenant — that God makes with those who are of the House of Israel, the Covenant of peace prophesied by the prophets with God will gather back to Himself all of Israel whom He previously cursed and scattered to the wind - Deuteronomy 30 vs 1 - 6 & Isaiah vs 66 vs 18 - 26 & ..... Jesus Christ is God's New Law and Constitution in the Kingdom of God. The Gospel which Jesus Christ sent His followers out to preach is in fact God's New Law which He made with the House of Israel. - Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34

4. So, Jesus Christ, who told you that He lived His life according to God's Old Law — the Constitution of the Nation of Israel — is a hypocrite because He instead told His followers, whom He gave a New Law, that it is by living in continuous submission obedience of His teachings and commandments that they establish Himself as His followers as opposed to followers of God's Old Law? WOW!

5. Your ignorance of the truth of God is enough of a reason why no one should attempt to engage any of your bible-living churches which churn minds like yours out regularly... ignorance seems to represent bliss in all of them places.

ChukwukaEze:
▪︎There would not be anything special about mad people sleeping in refuse dumps. But would that be the issue with a sane person?

▪︎ When sane people dress and behave like the insane it becomes an issue. Looks speak even before action.

▪︎ Mental illness is the problem we have with people who are "mad", not their appearance or style choices.

▪︎ There are so many well dressed insane folks out there. Behaving like the insane is not same as being insane. So, again, insanity is not about outward appearances but of Mental health.

yongg:
Nice clarification.

Now I see where the ping at the back of my mind was coming from, . I actually want to know where Cornelius' ancestry is recorded. My searches on it are not successful.

It isn't recorded, but it is revealed in the details presented in that in the context of the passage about the person of Cornelius

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■ Cornelius was regarded as a just man — the only standard of righteousness at the time he could have been justified by was God's Old Law of Moses which, again, binds only those who are of the blood of Jacob.
■ Cornelius's charity to the poor was said to have been, by the angel, recognized by God — again the standard that his giving would have been accorded such recognization was the standard set by God in His Old Law, which, again, is binding to only those who are of the blood of Jacob.
■ In addition, the Holy Spirit aka the Spirit of Truth -- He is subject only to Jesus Christ meaning He only reveals to the followers of Jesus Christ that which pertains to Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of God as revealed by Jesus Christ in John 14 vs 25 - 27 & John 15 vs 26 - 27 & John 16 vs 4 - 15 -- being the guide who sent Peter to Cornelius indicates that Cornelius must have been of Israelite roots for the Spirit of God to instruct Peter to Cornelius that which is Holy. If you recall, Jesus Christ, in Matthew 7 vs 6, instructed His followers not to give that which is Holy to the dogs, dogs being a reference for those who are not of the House of Israel - Matthew 15 vs 20 - 26.
■ Lastly, Cornelius became born-again, after he was baptized by Peter— and yet again, since Jesus Christ was sent by the Father only to those who are of the blood of Jacob, Cornelius had to have been an Israel for him to have been granted entry into the Kingdom of God.

MikeofAfrica:
1. I used the case of a Landlord and his son to explain to you how Jehovah gave the final authority in Heavens and Earth to Jesus Christ ( Philippians 2:8-11). When Jesus was on Earth, His father was greater than Him as you mention. Hence He does only whatever His Father wants. However after His death and resurrection, the Father handed over the final authority in Heaven and Earth to Jesus. Hence Jesus is no longer under the authority of the Father. He is an independent authority . When a Landlord hand over his House to his son that graduated with a good result, the son will become an independent authority like Jesus. He can decide to renovate the house just as Jesus renovated the laws of Moses. He can decide to increase the rent of the tenants. The tenants will now be under the authority of the son who is the new landlord.

2. You said the law of Moses was only meant for the house of Isreal . Hence why are you insiting that we should observe the Sabbath day by going to church on Saturday rather than Sunday? Is it only in observing the Sabbath day, that you consider yourself a member of the house of Isreal. If you want to follow the laws of Moses , follow it completely and stop deceiving yourself. Stop practising the easy laws and reserving the hard ones for the house of Israel. The laws of Moses forbids you from shaving your beards. The laws of Moses forbids you from wearing cloths made of linen and cotton. The laws of Moses forbids your wife from leaving your house when she is having her period.

3. Jesus Christ ate with pagans because that is the best way to show them that He loves them. Xmas is about imitating this Love of Christ. We celebrate Xmas by showing love to people around us. I once gave an expensive cloth to a Muslim during Xmas.

4. This Muslim man was shocked and decided to follow me to my church some weeks later. He is today a devouted Christian.That is how to celebrate Xmas. Showing love to pagans like Jesus did and winning souls to the kingdom of God.

1. These tall tales of yours seem neverending, don't they? It almost seems that is all you are filled with... lies. Or is what you are saying that when Jesus Christ Himself said that He goes to sit on the right-hand side of God, He, Jesus Christ lied? What you are insisting here is that even though Jesus Christ revealed Himself as being of three aspects of God, the Father — God's Law/Way, God's Truth, and God's Life as indicated in John 14 vs 6— You insist instead that when Jesus Christ ascended to Heaven, Jesus Christ ceased to be of only three aspects of the Father and instead became the Father an idea which suggests that Jesus Christ changed no longer the eternal being He is believed to be as change indicates a new beginning? (When an eternal being changes in aspect, He becomes a new creature... different from the Old being He used to be.)

2. Me? Insist you live by laws defined in a Constitution of a Nation that you are not born under nor are you a citizen of? I am afraid you have the wrong person to pin these lies of yours on here.

3. Wrong! Jesus Christ ate with Pagans because He did not come to seclude Himself from any man. He in turn told you that if you are to become His follower, you are to do as He commands— not what He does— of you since according to Him the Father's love is retained only for those who obey His teachings and commandments - John 14 vs 15 - 20 & John 15 vs 9 - 11 & John 15 vs 14. So, when you claim you imitate Jesus Christ in your suggestions that that which is of Pagan roots is of Him, not only do you disobey His direct commandments to you but you prove yourself as one who does not even belong to Him let alone know Him.

4. Since the man followed you to join the group you belong to, it means all the man now has is what you have — religion rather than the Truth of God. Jesus Christ did warn that the blind will fall into the same ditch that their blind leaders will fall into - Matthew 15 vs 14.

Leiylau:
Then Yahweh isn't the supreme god the creator of universe.

A wise man once said " A false knowledge causes more damages than Ignorance "

As scripture made clear to you,YHWH is instead the God of Israel.... the name attached by the Supreme one to the Covenant which He gave only to those who are of the blood of Jacob for a National Constitution in the Land of Canaan. It is foolishness for a person who is not of that blood and not living in that land to pretend that Constitution applies to him or her.

ChukwukaEze:
somethings are literally complementry. Assume you walk into a place and see a good looking man, well dressed too, and you are told that he is a lunatic. . . That sounds odd. And so it is with looks and trashiness.

Not really because lunacy has little to nothing to do with looks.

A person might not care much for his outward appearance and still be capably sane. Case and point is the dirtiest man alive who was recently reported to have died only weeks ago. According to reports, he was relatively sane.

https://nypost.com/2022/10/25/worlds-dirtiest-man-amou-haji-dead-at-94/amp/

yongg:
Yes, I understand this. it is just that no reference of Cornelius as blood of Jacob and the passage where he comes up is mentioned where Peter is made to understand that salvation is to be extended to Gentiles too... starting with Cornelius as per the records in the book of Acts of the Apostles.

▪︎ God cursed and scattered His people to all the winds as as result of their sins - Deuteronomy 30 vs 1 - 6 - and a result there are those of Israel roots to be found in pretty much every tribe, every tongue and every nation of this earth, living and breeding with gentiles hence themselves Gentiles.

▪︎ God sent Jesus Christ to gather back to His mountain at His time all those of Israel who He had scattered to the winds as He said He would- Isaiah 66 vs 18 - 25 - and Jesus Christ made this known when He declared that He came only for the lost sheep of Israel(not just the Jewish tribes of Israel).

▪︎Peter, at the time, was of the Jewish subset of Israel who had yet to be cursed and scattered by God and harbored the idea that God cared only for he Jewish nation(excluding those who of them who were among the Gentiles).

▪︎ As earlier explained, Cornelius, though a gentile, was also of the House of Jacob -- his ancestry can be traced back to Jacob- and as such qualified to be taught of God's New Covenant, Jesus Christ, but Peter hesitated because Cornelius was not a jew - born of the tribe of Judah Benjamin or Levi - and this is reason why a vision was given him, Peter, explaining that all of God's Israel was included in His promise.

Afobaba33:
The devil has separated him from GOD shield to be devoured very soon.
What a lost soul

What do you mean by a lost soul?.


Separated from what God shield? Who lied to you that by clinging to what is the religion of men you somehow have for yourselves a God shield?

ChukwukaEze:
ok, to be precise about your question, looking good makes trash 'look' less trashy.

Nope.... a decorated pig is still a pig! Looks have nothing to do with trashiness.

yongg:
I wish I understood the "blood of Jacob" reference you made concerning Cornelius.

Those who are descendants of Jacob aka Israelites.

God's Old Law of Moses was given by God only to Israelites .I.e. those born of the blood of Jacob.
Throuh the prophets, God also promised His agreement of peace - Jesus Christ- only to those who are of the blood of Jacob. So when Jesus Christ declare that He was sent only to the lost sheep of israel, He said that only those who are of the blood of Jacob can partake in the Kingdom of God..

Leiylau:
I gave you that respect for having a belief not Christianity ,not athesim, not freethinking , not nothing and you shouldn't abuse that ok .
What time is it in Nigeria?

As I earlier explained, Religion of Christianity is built on a foundation that is the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) and as such is pagan in origin. It is not of God and God is not a part of there idea. God instead gave men clear laws to obey as individuals.

I don't know what time it is in Nigeria.

yongg:
Na Cornelius is said to be the first Gentile convert in the book of Acts, the commander of an Italian regiment

Yes, and Cornelius also happened to be of the blood of Jacob evidence from the fact that His works were acknowledged by God whose Law of Moses only applies to those who are of the House of Israel - Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 28 & Ezekiel 33 vs 9 - 20 , and He, Cornelius was also born-again in a Law, Jesus Christ, which also only applies as far as those who are of the House of Jacob - Matthew 15 vs 22 - 26.

Dav144:
https://scriptureunit.com/list-of-jesus-miracles/

of what value is this?

yongg:
Is it me or was Cornelius found from his point 2.

Cornelius was an Israelite and according to God’s Law, those of them who did God works in penitence would be made right with God, a granting of eternal life- Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 32 & Ezekiel 33 vs 10 - 20. This is the same salvation from God's Old Law which was given to Zacchaeus and to the thief on the cross.

odurombi:
This fellow simply does not know God! That airplane crashes, and can lead to loss of lives hasn't stopped people from flying. Has it?

Because church people supposedly pretend is now a reason to abandon church?

O wrong now.

While I do not hold brief for the man and his argument, I believe you are equally wrong in pretending that your churches and the religion at its foundation is of God.

Leiylau:
Examine your head you aren't normal. Your effort to use English to replace logicality has failed.

As far as logic is concerned, I am afraid you are instead the one here who has failed at that since it is illogical to argue against that which you clearly have little to no real understanding of. You can argue against the deeds of religious men but you overstep what are logical bounds when you pretend their ignorance asserts the truth of God.

ComeToJesus:
A saved person can fall back into the world. That's what happened to you. You still need to be exhorted and taught by teachers of the word.

2. Self righteousness won't help you find God. You can't forsake the assembly of the brethren.

But according to scripture, those of you who cling to the doctrines and traditions of men(and their many churches) know nothing of God. As a matter of fact, Jesus Christ said that such people are instead against God in their decision to follow religion instead of God's Law in the Kingdom of God - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13

2. Self righteousness refers to doing works of righteousness such as feeding the poor, clothing the naked, taking care of the sick, homing the homeless, visiting those in prison, all while living in disobedience of God's direct commandments and teachings.

Scientheosopher:
1. He is a Spiritualist. Here, it means someone who practises spirituality or believes God but doesn't serve Him through a system (Church, Mosque, etc.) yet claims to be.

2. #For whatever reason he stopped going to church (a necessary duty in Christianity) shows that he's not a true christian.

3. A true christian is like Job. He never separates himself from God, no matter what. NOTE: You can't claim to serve God and not belong to a system. It's like saying you're a student yet you don't attend a school.

1. Stop spewing trash for the sake of it abeg!

2. Jesus Christ never asked any of His followers to attend your church services in His name. He never asked them to build church businesses using His name, and He certainly never asked anyone to sit as shepherd or teacher over those who belong to the Kingdom of God. So your churches and the religion it serves has nothing to do with God or Jesus Christ..

3. What God gave to individual men is His Law and He made it clear that only those who obey His Law belong to Him. Your religious system of Christianity along with all its many rituals and traditions are instead pagan in origin and not of God.

Prettychild:
You can’t have one on one relationship with God without reading His Word

Where did God state this which you claim?

lotkyes200:
Forsake not the gathering if the Saint as it is the manner of some.

Hmmm so you are among the some.

Stop quoting that which you don't understand. The gatherings, written of in that passage, were the holy assemblies commanded by God Himself in His Old Covenant for those who are of the blood of Jacob in the Land of Israel- Leviticus 23 vs 1 - 8. God never gave you such commandments in Jesus Christ.

Masky2000:
1. For real...? hmmm.. it's of a truth that the bible had made it clear to us about those with "the lack of knowledge"
2. But thank God for social media that has helped to expose this kind of people so we know that God's word is the perfect truth

1. Stop quoting scripture as if soundbites. The scripture you pretended to quote mentioned that the people's suffering stemmed from a lack of knowledge of God's teachings and commandments - His Law. Anyone with any understanding of God's Law and Truth would never insist assert that that which of Pagan roots be attributed to God.

2. Social media is at least there to help expose the ignorance of many who pretend to know God, like you.

Merry Christmas!

Abi1985:
Very true and so sad.

Never compare any issue in Nigeria with that elsewhere abeg! Nigeria dey on im own level.

advocatejare:
We both agreed on an issue this time

Are you certain because I am also of the mind that Christianity in and of itself is pagan in origin since its very foundation is on the doctrines and traditions of men rather than the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, the National Constitution and Law in the Kingdom of God.

Daughterboard:
Never existed in my language and my religion.

Just so you know, God never gave man religion. Instead, what God gave is Law, a Constitution of a Nation that belongs to Him so if you are not of His Nation, you don't really need to pay Him mind.

advocatejare:
If you don’t celebrate Christmas because it’s of pagan origin, then do away with everything around you that is of pagan origin!

First and foremost, stop mentioning the days of the week because as you do so you’re mentioning the names of pagan gods. Diana as the Moon for Monday, Mars for Tuesday, Mercury for Wednesday, Jupiter for Thursday, Venus for Friday, Saturn for Saturday, and Apollo as the Sun for Sunday

Well, those who pretend that by not celebrating the Pagan holiday for what it is they somehow honor God also do so in foolishness. God never said "Thou shalt not celebrate Pagan Holidays" so, you sin against God when you pretend you must not celebrate in order to please God.

Most holidays — New Year, Easter, Independence day, Mother's day, etc., — are pretty much Pagan in origin meaning God never commanded them. So shoving a stick up one's arse regarding one more pagan holiday is, as a matter of fact, ludicrous!

WibusJaga:
. Even if you eventually find a perfect church, once you become a member, the church will become imperfect.

Same applies to other social clubs though.

berepiki:
#RhemaboticsArchive: FRESH: Please Wherever you are, proclaim the NAME Jesus...This is your IDENTITY as a CHRISTIAN...

1. The Muslims have an Identity, even Muslim Presidents proclaim that Identity without being ashamed or afraid...Same principles should apply to we Christians. Please we should PUBLICLY end our prayers with "IN JESUS NAME" without looking at anybody's face...

2. As a CHRISTIAN please don't hide your faith at your workplace. Don't play with the name so that the power in the name can work for you...The Name Jesus is powerful, it has the POTENCY to save and rescue you at your ZERO HOURS...Call the name in FAITH( 100% trust) and not in doubt...FAITH in the NAME JESUS activates DIVINITY.

3. For those that are non-christians, call the NAME JESUS in your times of trouble and EXPERIENCE divine help...try it, it works... Please the moment it starts worki for you, ask a Christian around you to lead you to CHRIST... Become born again and join me at Dominio
Thank you and stay blessed home and abroad...

1. Did Jesus Christ ask His followers to compete with those who are unbelievers?

2. Jesus Christ said that those who belong to Him no longer work for food that perishes... so if you hold on to your jobs/careers/businesses/properties, etc., in sin against Jesus Christ, of what value is proclaiming that name to you or to that which is instead Holy? Can sin lead to that which is Holy?

3. According to Jesus Christ, calling that name means nothing if one's very life does not reflect obedience to His teachings and commandments, so isn't it vain to pretend a name means all you pretend it does when the one whose name it is says otherwise?

FRANCISTOWN:
1. I don't understand how someone who is merciful will visit the iniquities of the father on the innocent children, this is just as saying that because a father commits murder, then his children until the fourth generation will do the time.

2. The likes of Elon, Bill, and many of the world billionaires do not believe in any God(they do not obey Him, they do not even pray), yet they have been able to achieve so much, with a philanthropic attitude. If this? Then it means that success is not directly proportional to your allegiance to this so called God.

3. Professor Albert Einstein of blessed memory is arguably the greatest scientist in the world, most of his theories came from mere thinking and without experiments, if he were a Christian, many of these churchians would have said , God gave him the inspiration. Now it is evident that wisdom or clairvoyance can be achieved without your God , which actually renders John 3: 27 useless as it says "A man can receive nothing, unless it has been given him from heaven" however if you argued further that God still made them have so much exploits , we may begin to question the integrity and loyalty of your God, as why he would leave people who obey him, and decided to bestow such exploits on those who do not. However if you said God wasn't responsibile for their exploits. Then it is reasonable to say something else is responsible, which infact means that, God is not responsible for everything in life, which means He doesn't have all the power therefore not omnipotent. You are free to criticize me. We have seen people who pray to themselves yet they received what they prayed for, and we've seen people who prayed to a sort of God and ended up being disappointed, without departing from logic sir, what can we make of this?

1. Again, that God is merciful does not mean God is anyone's chump. God in His Wisdom decided to visit the iniquities of the sons of the fathers as a way to deter the fathers from disobeying His Constitution in the Nation of Israel - the Law of Moses.

2. God never said men could not achieve wealth and fame of their own outside of Him so why, in the first place, do you assume that the likes of Elon, Bill, and all other world billionaires must first have God to obtain wealth and fame in this world?

3. Look, kindly abandon all the tales you have been fed from infancy by what are religious men out there, and pick up a copy of scripture to read for yourself, so you can more reasonably approach what is in fact written in the scripture of God and His Ways. Nowhere is it stated in scripture that only those who belong to God have intelligence, knowledge, wisdom, fame, fortune, etc. in this world. That idea is not scriptural but instead born from delusions and theories of men. Though it is written that God pours out His mercy on all of mankind regularly, it remains that the bulk of scripture indicates that only those who are of the blood of Israel can in fact serve/obey any of His Laws. So, if you indeed want to be reasonable in your debating of ideas, I suggest you at least learn to separate facts of scripture from the fictional ideas you harbor there.

FRANCISTOWN:
1. Let's be strict in reasoning sir.

2. When you say obedience, it can as well be likened to righteousness, but first of all, your Bible says

3. "no one was saved by work(in other words, by their own righteousness or obedience), but by Grace". Basically your Bible that you read says in Romans 3: 10-downward: verse 10 now: "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:" also in Psalms 130: 3-4 If You, Lord, should mark iniquities, O Lord, who could stand? But there is forgiveness with You, that You may be feared.” . If you said people's prayers are not being answered due to disobedience, then that statement in itself gives the basis to refute these Bible verses: Eph 1:7-8, Eph 4: 32, Col3 :13, Psalms 86:5, Psalms 103:12, 1 John 1:9, Heb 8:12, Isaiah 43:25, Heb 10:17 because these Bible verses stress that God is able to forgive anyone who goes to Him, however your Bible says anyone who goes to your God is no more a sinner but the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus; old things are passed away and all things are now new. Now let's assume that col 13:4 is an exaggeration...

4. I believe any Christian who wants to pray must firstly ask for forgiveness of sins. As your God who is a merciful God according to the above listed Bible verses,such person will be forgiven, which makes such an eligible recipient of answers.

5. Not to talk about self conflicting Exodus 34:6-8 "And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, “The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, 7 maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.”

1. Good idea!

2. Wrong! Obedience simply means obedience to God's direct teachings and commandments, for us, in Jesus Christ.

3. The "bible" does not say anything since it is instead a compendium of books, a library, and nothing more. Also, always pay close attention, when reading, to the context of salvation as mentioned. What were those referred to saved from? Well, Paul, whose statement you quoted, made clear in the context of the passage that salvation was granted from the following of the Old Covenant Law of Moses -- the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel - by the receiving of the free gift of eternal life from Jesus Christ at the moment one gains access into the Kingdom of God. In Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20, it is made clear that Eternal life is the reward at the end of a life spent in submission and obedience to the Old Law. However, the same Eternal life is instead given as a free gift to all those who believe in Jesus Christ. So Paul's explanation to His fellow Israelites was that in Jesus Christ eternal life was a free gift and not a reward as a result of works. However, Paul never suggested that once one gained access to the Kingdom of God — in addition to the gift of eternal life— that no work was required. No, in the Kingdom of God, only those who stand faithful —living their lives in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ —until the end will be saved from eternal damnation in the Kingdom of God - Matthew 24 vs 12 - 13 & Mark 13 vs 13 & Matthew 25 vs 40 - 46.

4. I don't agree! God is a merciful God but God will never bend His Law in order to accommodate any man. Regarding forgiveness, for example, there are rules as to how to obtain even that. God only forgives those who obey those laws. So, yes, God is merciful but God is not your fool.

5. Again, the Law of Moses was given as the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel which God constituted of the people of Israel in the Land of Canaan. So, never quote from that Law at anyone who instead subscribes to Jesus Christ who is instead God's Constitution in the Kingdom of God. Those are two different contexts — Two different Covenants/Laws servings as National Constitutions in two different Kingdoms. In much the same way you would never quote the American Constitution at someone living in Nigeria, you should also never quote the Law of Moses at anyone who believes in Jesus Christ.