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And here I thought the context was scripture defined. Oh well!

manehtech:
Conclusion

This is why our church does not celebrate Christmas. It is a pagan holiday with no biblical basis and therefore should not be celebrated by Christians.

The very foundation upon which your church is built is also of pagan roots - doctrines and traditions of men - so don't for one moment assume that because it does not celebrate a pagan holiday that somehow means it, your church, is sanctioned by God when instead it belongs to the religion of men and has nothing to do with God.

MrPresident1:
So in your learned, rational and considered opinion, seeing that you have the mind of God, the passage above, the hope of man, you think this glorious birth is not worth celebrating, right?

Think before you respond

Again....1. The son never gave any man permission to celebrate any holiday usin His name. The Father never authority to any man to add decree to His Law authorizing such ceremony in His name. Claiming you celebrate in the name of God is a sin against God Himself.

2. Did He permit to carry out your celebrations using His name? That name belongs exclusively to Him and He never asked nor gave any man authority to celebrate Him or His name, meaning your celebrations are of pagan origin. So you dishonor the name of God by your use of His name in your associating His name with your pagan celebrations.

MrPresident1:
1. He is in the volume of the book. Everything is about him. We celebrate the birth of the Son of God

2. Born is the King of Israel, and of his kingdom there will be no end. This is not worth celebrating? To you?

1. The son never gave any man permission to celebrate any holiday usin His name. The Father never authority to any man to add decree to His Law authorizing such ceremony in His name. Claiming you celebrate in the name of God is a sin against God Himself.

2. Did He permit to carry out your celebrations using His name? That name belongs exclusively to Him and He never asked nor gave any man authority to celebrate Him or His name, meaning your celebrations are of pagan origin. So you dishonor the name of God by your use of His name in your associating His name with your pagan celebrations.

MrPresident1:
1. Is Isaiah the one who set the day aside?

2. I tell you again, 'the same was in the beginning with God'. What the Christians have is the original, before it was paganized.

1. OK, so, Isaiah isn't even related to this in anyway, so why did you bring him into it?

2. Jesus Christ never commanded His followers to observe His day of birth so what you claim has no beginning in Jesus Christ but is clearly of pagan roots, so why you keep going around in circles here is beyond me.

MrPresident1:
1. In your opinion, you don't think this is worth celebrating?

2. The birth of the mighty warrior, crusher of satan's head, the mighty God You don't think it is OK to celebrate the birth of the unconquered, undefeated, undefeatable Son of God?

1. Only that which is commanded by God is of value: all else amounts is meaninglessness. Anyone who knows God would know this fact. God is not honored by vain worship instead you set yourself against Him by using His name to project that which He never command of you. That act amounts to adding your ideas to His Law and is a sin against God.

2. You folks and your many deluded narratives and spins on God's Truth never cease to amaze.

ROFLMAO


So, against God, you insert your pagan rituals into His Law in what is sin against God, then you turn around and claim you do it for God's sake...

MrPresident1:
Isaiah 9:6-7 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. [7] Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.


I tell you again, the Christians have the original, before it was paganized. Or have you not read that 'the same was in the beginning with God'?

You sound even more disconnected!

Did Isaiah, the prophet you quoted, command that you set a day aside to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ in the passage you quoted?

Jesus Christ wey you pretend you celebrate no ask una to celebrate Him birthday, but na Isaiah you want take use justify your pagan ritual, are you for real?

PeterObi4LP:
The birth of Christ is the celebration of joy, the kind of joy you have always given me. I appreciate you big time. And may joy never be absent in your life and family. Amen! Merry Christmas.

Birth of which Jesus, Jesus ask you make you celebrate His birthday?

Abeg, let's celebrate this Pagan holiday like all others without dragging God's Name in the mud with it.

MrPresident1:
The same was in the beginning with God

What Christians have is the original, before it was paganised

This makes absolutely no sense of any kind. Jesus Christ never asked His followers to celebrate such things so how could any sane individual claim Christians had the original of what was never part of its teachings in its beginnings?

Faber:
Christmas makes no sense to me cos its not recorded anywhere in the world, even in the bible that Bros J. birthday is 25th Dec. So if you squander the money meant for you to hold yourself for rainy days of 2023 today in the name of a modafvcking Greco-Roman-European Festival, na you sabi? I go laff you to stupor when you post your account number here by next year say sapa want kill you.

You know the holiday has pagan roots and it is not even commanded by Jesus Christ so why continue to sit in confusion rather than accept the truth before you which is that it has nothing to do with the man Jesus Christ that the gullible try so hard to associate it with?

Merry Xmas to you and a Happy New year!

opalu:
Merry Christmas to all those Christians killed 1 week to Christmas in Kaduna state. May their Killers' blood be shed in Jesus name. May their families never know any joy again.

So, instead of calling for government to come down hard on their murderers, you want to pretend instead that Jesus Christ should carry that load instead?

Anyways, Merry Xmas to all and to all a Happy New Year!

meobizy:
1. Things which don’t make sense; Christmas stemmed from a pagan ritual, was adopted into Christianity, Christianity was forced on Africans and yet we — who are exposed enough to know what to abide or discard — still celebrate the tradition. Make it make sense.

2. Nairalanders are mostly Christian, their saviour was a Jew, he was killed by Jews yet majority of posters here hate Jews. Naija na comedy? Make it make sense.

1. Indeed it is a pagan holiday and ought to be celebrated as such.

2. ROFLMAO

Racoon:
Indeed the birth of Jesus Christ was really foretold. Merry Christmas all.May the blessings of the season continue to abound.

That his coming was foretold is no valid reason you should associate Him with Christmas, a holiday that is of pagan roots. You can celebrate the pagan holiday without dragging Christ into it. That is how you honor Jesus Christ.

gaby:
Why are you quoting me? Make your comment and move on. Do not get on my mentions.

What the heck is this one yapping about? I quoted you because you posted a comment on nairaland, a forum open to all members. If you don't want to be quoted then cease posting your views immediately and clear your past posts while you are at it.

Abi1985:
1. This happened a long time ago, then the law did not care.
2. NIGERIA has a long way ago because civil matters are not a prority. Na murder, kidnapping or armed robber case they take seriously.
2. To report is to spend money , they fit bill for any casw

How dem dey take bill people again? You mean say the process never dey automated still? Wetin the students and entrepreneurs dey dey do wey dem never create apps and systems to help automated many of these processes to help cut corruption in its part and give power to the people?

Kdsml:
She is my mum and friend i told her so she can help me with business ideas and i don't have any money to lend her , if i had more than enough i would have given her for free but what i have now is for my business and daughter. I can't sacrifice my daughter happiness for someone else

Do you at least pay rent for the space your family occupies in her home? Do you at least intend to pay rent while running your business in front of her home? If yes to both, then you really don't owe her anything but what you want and can give. Else, you are a freeloader claiming right in what is her own house and not your own husband's house!

gaby:
The only person you owe a duty of care and worry is the one you have brought into the world just as you were brought in. Make everybody shift and carry their cross. I detest people with a sense of entitlement.

You are joking, right? She is married with her own family, and you don't think that by moving back to her parent's home with her family intact she at least owes them rent of some sort?

Kdsml:
Merry xmas every1. Hope you all are having a great night. I nid advice pls. I am married with a kid, my husband traveled out of the country for a greener pasture , i moved out of our rented house and relocated back to my mom place. We had sold our properties for 300k he told me he doesn't know how long it will take him to get a job in the new country and I should use the 300k to start up a business so i will be able to take care of our daughter until he will be stable in the new country....

Am i wrong for refusing to help her ?

You and your husband decided you should move out of your rented apartment back into your own mother's place, but did you two also at least plan to pay her rent while you are staying with her so it is not like your family is somehow mooching off of her at least? The store wey you want open for the front of house, you go also pay her rent for the space abi this na freeloading arrangement you dey run so?

If you had maybe indicated that your husband did not saddle her with his family, I would say maybe you are not wrong but your story does not indicate that that isn't the case at all. It sounds a lot like your family is mooching off of her as it is, am I right?

ChigozieVictor:
POWER OF CONSECRATION.

1. The power of God do not flow on an unconsecrated vessel but a consecrated vessel. There are two things God gives to an individual who walk with him and want to bring his glory on earth: covenant, Consecration

2. A covenant is an unbroken agreement between two individual so when a covenant is made, the two part is committed to keeping. A man make a covenant with God, he commits God into it. A consecration is a separation process that activate and keep the flowing of the power of God at work in an individual. One thing you must understand is that you cannot walk with God without a Covenant and Consecration.

1. How exactly does God gives a man this consecration you speak of?

2. A man commits God into a covenant? How?

Your god must be the patron deity of authoritarians everywhere. You can’t even sell your own soul while the other gods at least permit soul selling. Lmao

When a deity allows its creation to sell the very unique identifier he, the deity, branded each with at creation, doesn’t that amount to the deity in question forfeiting what is his right as a creator to wield sovereignty over his very creation thereby that deity powerless over said creation?

Also, how does a deity go about managing these rogue elements --- souls that no longer belong under their creator--- within the space the deity claims to have sovereignty over?

Imarich:
u can boil plenty water. Use some to soak out d wax n drain b4 mixing ur chili n seasoning 4 dry. Or adding the remainin boiled water b4 chili n seasonin 4 soup noodles. D process still remains as short as u knw it...

Which wax again? Why do you folks like to spread these meaningless lies abeg!

MRNIGERDoxx:
Why is your mouth shifting diagonally?

Adjust your mouth before your condition becomes permanent.

I take that to mean you don't even understand why you cling to these ideas you have but you offer them to others to keep them on board the same delusions you subscribers to without good reason?,

Ken4Christ:
1. The New Testament Saint does not live by rules and regulations. We are led by the Spirit of God in whatever we do.

2. Besides God has given the church the authority to decide certain things as long as it doesn't conflict with his word. The word bind and lose in modern English means disallow and allow respectively.

1. If you truly believed this to be true, then why do you look constantly to Paul for validation as far as your beliefs? Why not ignore Paul's stipulations, or your interpretations of them, and live alone by that spirit which you claim to live by?

2. So you admit that the authority you claim your churches have are directly restricted by that which is God's word aka Law, directly contradicting your initial claim that there is no Law.

Abi1985:
1. Unfortunately, naija no dey enforce law like dat. Na only murder or robbery case they take seriously.
2. My ex uncle left my aunty with my cousins. The man never said money and missed my cousins birthday and wedding

If people would come out and report these cases, at least we can start from there. How many cases of abandonment are actually reported by the victims in those cases?

2. Did your ex-uncle's wife report him for abandonment or did she simply accept it as her lot in marriage? Did she even file for divorce even in that case?

Btruth:
Your provision is on the way! We all remember the Christmas story of how the Wise Men followed a star that led them to the Holy Child, and they worshipped Him, laying before Him precious gifts. Mary and Joseph didn’t go out seeking gifts. Although they were forced to spend the night in a stable, they didn’t send out messages asking for gifts. But because they were in the middle of God’s will, He sent them Wise Men on camels, loaded with provisions. If we are in the will of God, He will bring our provision to us. We don’t have to try to chase it down; it will seek us out. We don’t have to try to make things happen; God will bring them to us. We can only expect provision by being faithful to where God has placed us. When we begin to believe this, we are free to cast our care upon Him. We don’t have to stay up all night fretting and worrying.

Yet 1000s of Churchians out there live and die without having what is even their most basic of needs met? Isn't that more than enough evidence that these twists on what is recorded in scripture are all lies?

kpakpandoN:
The Almighty God, our heavenly Father, made each and every one of us for a purpose. It does not matter the circumstances of your birth, God brought you into this world and called you to fulfil a specific purpose. Not everyone is called to be a Pastor, but everyone is called to fulfil a purpose. Ephesians 2:10 says:
“For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”

If you have found that good work for which God formed you, focus on it. What God wants for each of His children is for us to find our place and stay there. The one who was called to be in politics should not decide to become a Pastor and the one called to academics should not decide to go into farming. Everyone has his own assignment in this world and God will reward you, not based on how much work you have done, but if you fulfilled the purpose for which He formed you.

If we are to visit the teachings of Jesus Christ, we find that there is only one call and work given by Jesus Christ to all those who belong to Him.

25 When they found him on the other side of the sea, they said to him, “Rabbi, when did you come here?”
26 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you are seeking me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves.
27 Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.”
28 Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.” - John 6 vs 25 - 29

If all are called to do the same exact work by Jesus Christ, what other call is there to do other than the one that Jesus Christ commands which involves living of one's life in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ.

If your faith - submission and obedience- is directed towards your supposed callig and not to God Himself, how much different are you from the many job men and career minded folks in the world?

adem30:
For many years, I have seen many clergyman and Christians visiting Tomb of a prophet for prayers.
I am.cirious because I am seeing this more KK Ike an idolatry.
Can someone enlightene me how Biblical this act is

Going to a tomb where the dead are buried to pray to a God who said you should let the dead bury their own dead?

What can the dead offer to the living? They are dead and no longer without hope so how can they offer or give that which they don't even have for their own selves?

Ken4Christ:
1. No it isn't. The celebration is worth it as long as it is done to the glory of God. Mind you, Deeper life is changing so many of their doctrines. Kumuyi admitted he taught what he did at the early stage because that was what he knew. I think he knows better now.

2. Apostle Paul said; 1st Corinthians 10:31Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. So, on the basis of the passage above, Christmas celebration is OK. Are you pained?

1. How can you claim to do that which is not commanded of God to the glory of God? Can God be honored by that which is stipulated by Him? Why do you folks make a fool of God by your every declaration abeg?

2. I don't follow at all. Did Paul tell you that when you celebrate —eat, drink, and whatsoever ye do— with those who worship idols, that you do so to the glory of God?

dave601:
There's no problem with non religious public holidays. The issue is having a wolf in sheep's clothing. I would commend masquerades, idol worshipers, etc for their transparency, not Xmas the wolf in sheep's clothing.
2. You don't need to agree, though. Remember my first sentence.
Take care...

Religion is not of God to begin with. It is instead a system of delusions built atop the theories and opinions of men, so, why have a problem with that which is no different from what your idol worshippers and masquerade wearers believe in simply because it includes a lie that it is of God?

2. I don't agree because you fed this to someone who clings to another religion as if true.

lalalista:
why should I?

Did you create this thread out of boredom or something?