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acenazt:
Even with the Of I still dey fail math.

No be only you bro.

RobinHez:
OK, this one is for all y'all!

The wife is the worst. She came prepared already planned not to die.
Let's assume the man changed his mind as they were about to jump. In this case he could be scared or didn't have the balls to jump.
The wife clearly wanted the man dead.

KingEbukasBlog:
I started with self-existent ... so clearly I wasn't failing my argument

So clearly , others are true but you badly an amputated limb grow back


Noah's flood


give me names

Noah's flood? Really?
Some adult humans still accept this garbage as true.
You really need help.
Wait you will still come up with the language nonsense of tower of babel yet your tribe and its language cannot be traced back to that place where the fairytale supposedly happened. Penguins left Noah's ark and ended up in Antarctica without traces of their existence at mount Ararat in turkey where Noah's ark stopped. The kangaroos just up and flied to Australia leaving no traces in Europe.
What a shame.

KingEbukasBlog:
God is self-existent

When "God" is said , basic descriptions of Him should come to mind

→ Supreme Being
→ Creator
→Wonder worker
→ Highly intelligent being

If these are understood , then you have no problem . Can this be proven outside the bible? Yes and BASICALLY

→Existence , Design and Complexity of life forms
→Miracles
→Effects of His Power on Nature
→Personal Experiences

I mentioned this somewhere --- https://www.nairaland.com/2285941/atheism-religion-kolooyinbo-explains/5#33380518

Someone asks for evidence and this is what you come up with. So bland. These statements you just made are empty platitudes that depict lack of constructive reasoning.
Try again cos u simply did nothing here.

KingEbukasBlog:
am yet to see a convincing rebuttal against the points op made

for johnydon22

1.if not a greater force/power/being that is existing independently of other beings or causes is responsible , then present a much better explanation .And not just 'refuting his claims'.

2. Let this explain >. http://www.ucg.org/vertical-thought/hey-hey-dna-proving-gods-existence-genetically

3. There are much more apart from consciousness ... creativity , moral values , social behavior , habitual nature ,power of decision , high intelligence , skills etc . Can you explain why man , according to you as an evolutionist , who supposedly evolved from lower life forms cannot be matched in these areas of life as mentioned by other animals who also evolved from lower life forms alongside man . Why is man so distinct in these mentioned areas?

You clearly know little about evolution. At least wikipedia will help you understand better before asking these questions.

hopefulLandlord:
Its actually simple

Majority of atheists here were former Christians, so they know more about Christianity than most Christians

I am one such atheist and haven't read the Koran so I can't target Moslems as I barely understand them, even if I did, I still won't target them for *cough* you know *cough* *cough* reasons

I feel you bro. You've said my mind word for word.

OFFICIAL336:
Op I guess you don't even know that around 4000BC that Antarctic was frozen over. Do your research well.

Yes I know about the ice age. Not just Antarctica. At a time the world was once frozen about the era of the dinosaurs. Back Then humans have not evolved. And what has this got to do with my post?
Around 4000bc Antarctica was frozen over, and then?

oweniwe:
If everybody is saying different things, dont listen to them.

But if everybody is saying the same thing, listen to them.

The fact we did not witness something in our generation doesnt mean it never happened.

The Bible is a book of proverbs, advices and exhortations that are for our own good.

The fact that the Bible was written years ago doesn't make its qualities invalid ....

So if you want to use the Bible, read the parts you need.... And close the rest..

Cheers.

I respect your reasoning abilities. At least let's agree that popular opinions aren't always correct hence the phrase "contrary to popular opinions". But what part of the bible exactly is for our own good? All I see the bible doing is creating hatred, strife and people who are unreasonably judgemental. A loving father drowning and yet threatening to torment his loved children with eternal fire. That sounds more like a psychopathic criminal. A wise person won't take any advice from anyone who tortures and drowns his own children. The parts of the bible that sound like they teach good morals are just a no brainer. You don't need to be told that killing is wrong nor that stealing is wrong. Just ask urself why the state does not incorporate fornication as a crime in the law. Its because we are wise enough to tell good from bad whether or not a medieval book tells us to do so.

Domislaz:
It seems you are just working so hard to be a belligerent bigot. I feel so debased for even trying to school you with an uncryptic post in the first place. You reek of ineptitude. Instead of you to seek explication you decided to vituperate balderdash. Do you know the Environment more than myself? Hurl!

You ignorant fellow who go about trying to confuse Christians when all you have to bring to the table is a spurious and inconsistent logic that is not even defensible. Shame!

Come to think of it, did you really mean it when you said that plate tectonics has nothing to do with the problem? How ignorant can you get? Gush! Fvck off mehn! D@mn you. I will never dignify you with any response again.

I pity you. Poor slowpoke. So when Africa broke away from south america, it took away every indication that they were once together? So u seriously claim you know the environment yet your idiocy blinds you to the fact that Europe has no connection with Australia rather Australia broke away from antarctica bringing us back to my point that plate tectonics has nothing to do with kangaroos not being located in turkey or Europe. You are a slowpoke. You will still find an excuse to give for Mary being a virgin getting pregnant to give birth to ur fictional Christ oh my bad that was plate tectonics too. Talk about knowing the environment, you don't know shlt about anything you are just a phony. Go and hide somewhere in shame.

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MrPresident1:
You, my friend, are now the emperor of bonobos

Bonobos do not have the capacity to decipher the figurative use of words. If brains were TNT, you wouldnt have enough to split open a groundnut pod.

The more zombies read the Bible, the more confused they get.

Bloody bonobo!

I am not ur friend cos I don't identify with idiots. I asked you the connection between a mans heart and the ark since u said that the ark symbolises mans heart. Genesis 6:15 King James Bible:
And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits. So this is not literal enough for you stupid idiot. Idiot so ur god was telling Noah how to build your mums vqgina oh sorry heart. You don't deserve to be called a human. I'm no longer going to reply you I've seen that indoctrination has done an irreparable damage to you.

Domislaz:
OP you need to educate yourself on plate tectonics and mass movement. Continents and ocean basis are moved and changed in shape as a result of plate movements.

Learn one word and then the op needs education. Plate tectonics has nothing to do with the problem. Even if oceans and continents moved over time shouldnt all animals move with it or at least leave traces of their ancestral existence? So while australia moved to its current position it took all the kangaroos that noah brought to turkey all the way from europe and left none for europe while other animals moved and some remained in europe save for kangaroos. Do u even know that elephants are mostly found in africa and asia. How did that happen too? Yeah plate tectonics instead of evolution. Go and read my post before jibber jabbering about words you know little about their meaning.

MrPresident1:
See compound mumu . The mistake compound buffoons like you make is thinking that the Bible is written for everyone to be able to comprehend it's contents, but sorry to burst your bubble , the Bible is hieroglyphics to zombie souls the more they read, the more confused they get.

The Bible is not meant to be read or understood literally, literal interpretation of the Bible just like you expect is the stuff of zombies, how many odus of ifa do you understand? Can you understand the ifa corpus without being initiated into the secrets?

Noah's ark is not literal, elementary geography says the earth is spherical and cannot be flooded at once, and then all the animals on earth cannot fit into Noah's finite sheep, stop being stup.id.

Wasn't meant to be understood literally yet it was written in human friendly language and mysteriously yet somehow its only people like you who lack the mental capacity to tell fiction from fact that understand it. Good for you. You have now moved from idiot to king of idiots.

MrPresident1:
The flood of Noah was not a literal flood, and Christians who try to reason this out literally with atheists will make a laughing stock of themselves.

Noah's Ark is the heart of the man who has the breathe of God in him. The breathe of God is the Word of God, and is the spirit of God. Any man who does not have the Word/Spirit of God is a DEAD man.

The Waters of Noah's flood is heathenistic (sic) knowledge, devious evil and idolatrous knowledge, the knowledge possessed by beasts that enable them to act like beasts.

Clean and unclean animals, the animals of Noah's ark are not literal animals, they are Man-kind who obeyed Noah (Man). Birds of the air, cattle, creeping things are all figurative description of kinds men, Noah/Adam being the original man (who was created in the image and likeness of God, or who had the Word of God in his heart).

There was a flood of heathen knowledge in the world, and the people that did not have the Word/Spirit of God in them died, they died spiritually, they were overtaken by the flood of idolatrous knowledge which swept them away from the presence of God.

It was all allegories.

Keep gulping in any nonsense you are being fed in church. Think for yourself that's why u posses a brain. This trash you are explaining makes it sound like you are defending urselve against accepting the fact that the story is stupid. Now everything in the bible that sounds reasonable to you has a literal meaning and that which makes no sense is symbolic. You should be ashamed of urself. If that ark didn't have a literal meaning, why the hell was the whole measurement described their even the interior designs were specified. How does those specifications add up and becomes a mans heart or whatever shameful nonsense u just said. You disgust me. Don't allow someone else to think for you.

oweniwe:
In life, anything is possible.

If ancient Egyptians can build pyramids and obelisks that endured till today... Even built giant ships to transport heavy stuffs....

The walls of babylon.. as high as 15 storey buildings and wide as 20 lane highway so that soldiers could shoot from top of the walls.... The great wall of china... Aren't they real?

Then what makes you think noah ' s ark is impossible?

We're talking about millions of years past here....

Remember in the times of Aristotle, people thought the World was one big single flat plate surrounded by water on the edges.

We all know isrealites are short people ... So goliath the "giant " might just be 10-11 feets tall while isrealites were 5-7 feet ppl so goliath seemed like giant to them.

My point is... People write based on their time.... At the time of writing the first books of the bible, people certainly thought the whole World is the middle east..... So if a large scale flood or tsunami once sub-emereged the whole middle east, .... In the writers mind, the whole World was covered in flood.

This undersight can be forgiven because ... Even with all the science and technology they had, ... A few centuries ago, people thought there were only 3 continents in the World .... Africa Europe and Asia.... Finish... That was before the Americas, Australia and Antarctica were discovered.... Even till today, we are still discovering new facts about the earth.

We're talking about millions of years ago here....

Let me ask the O.p this question .... If you have to trek from lagos to calabar or kano through thick jungles in ... Say 10th century..... No bicycle, no plane, no car... No chariot... How many "World " will you see? You might probably write thar you saw 12 different Worlds.

So everything that happened millions of years ago when the scrolls were being written only happened within the vicinity of the writer. .... To them... At the time, only the middle eas. Is "the whole World " ...

All those animals you said noah packed into the ark were most probably not found in the area at all.... So Noah packed in only the animals within the vicinity to that couldn't live in water to save them from flooding ...

All these talks of kangaroo and penguins are not necessary.

Good point! So you have now come to agree that the bible was written by mans wisdom and not the word of god thereby providing another argument. Isn't it safe to admit that the god and everything they wrote about their god were lies and some stories even though close to truth were exergerated? So I'm safe to conclude that this book is rather full of wishful thinking and nothing close to perfection as it would have gullible people believe? You made an excellent point and it supports what historians said about the real flood as told by the Babylonians 2000 years before the Jews went into captivity at Babylon,copied and falsified the real story to make their small idol appear powerful.

Scholar8200:
Not immediately after the flood but over time.

It's called Continental Drift.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001765.html

Did u consciously refuse to understand my argument? You said "overtime" right? How come no trace of their existence has been recorded or discovered across Europe or even around that region of turkey? Ask urself how the igbos left that region of towel of babel and yet no single Igbo tribe nor igbo language speaking people are found in at least small settlements around that region since ur dear holy and infallible bible claims that all languages evolved from that place. And my tribe magically ended up settling in the eastern part of Nigeria leaving no trace of its migration. Your religion deserves to be ridiculed including any of its adherents.

Scholar8200:
The Biblical account of creation and the Great Dispersion gives us enough reason to believe that initially, the earth (ground) was a lump rising out of and separated from the water bodies. Hence we may safely say that the separation of continents by ocean etc took place much later.

There is an aspect of Geography that also establishes this position. Hence the animals did not need to 'fly across the ocean'.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and [b]the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
[/b]2 Peter 3:5

You forgot to say that god is love and that other annoying bland word "grace". Yep, a loving ego maniac drowns his children which he says he loves and people like you who are able to read and write still say that god is love and that its best to raise ur own kids in his ways. Well my dear if you are human enough you should know by now that nothing in the semblance of love has been done by u fictional creator. Where do I even start. His own sons blood must be shed to save you from himself. Are u really serious and u are proud to call urselves humans running around shouting blood of Jesus like its something to be proud of. I don't want to go into this Noah's story its really demeaning considering the shameful and laughable excuse or argument you decided to present as a point you. What a joke!

If Noah's ark really saved every animal on earth today, how come kangaroos are mostly if not only found in Australia. To be precise, Noah's ark stopped at mount Ararat located at eastern turkey. How did the kangaroos get to Australia a continent surrounded by the pacific and Atlantic oceans? How come no trace of kangaroos have been found around turkey not even their remains nor signs of their migration from Ararat to Australia? Did they fly across the oceans? OK maybe it was a miracle like Mary the virgin conceiving Jesus without sex. How funny ...... Really how can anyone believe these trash?

airsaylongcon:
Sub Sahara refers to all the parts of Africa below the Sahara desert. While Sudan is part of the Sahara, South Sudan isn't.

Bro please read my comment again and tell me what I stated wrong.

dj5naira:
'' Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, '' - Col 2:18

Are ur parents from the same mother and father? Someone is trying to educate u and u are rebuffing it by telling him not to question what exactly. If u were not meant to question such things then why do u call urself a human? You must be a complete ldiot.

There is no archeological evidence that the bible characters existed anyways. They are all fictions.

Yep. A 30 year old research at an excavation site has proved that the philistines had no such giants no any giants at all. Bible is trash and only indoctrinated fools who refuse to ask questions on what garbage they believe in think its divine and infallible.

I am sorry if anyone doubts my sincerity in finding the truth, but the fact that I am questioning some passages in the bible should prove I am earnestly seeking after truth.

The original Hebrew scriptures of 2 Samuel claim Elhanan killed Goliath, not his brother or anyone else. The addition was made during the English translation to avoid controversy, not after an investigation as to who really killed Goliath.

As to what was written in the chronicles, well I will first of all like to say that it is most likely that the writer of the Chronicles copied a great deal from the scriptures of Samuel. Therefore it is believed that he constructed the name "Lahmi" from beit-ha' lahmi, the Hebrew word for Bethlehem.

Therefore instead of "Elhanan the son of Jaare the Bethlehemite killed Goliath" as it originally was in 2 samuel, he smartly changed it to "Elhanan the son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath".

Besides, Lahmi is a Hebrew name. Goliath was from the philistines, therefore his brother must have been from there too. Why should his brother, from the philistines, bear a Hebrew name?

And so I think it is more likely that the writer of the chronicles, trying to avoid controversy and uphold the status of David, and at the same time trying to have a clear conscience, somehow convinced himself that there was a mistake somewhere and concluded that it was Lahmi, name gotten from the nearest word around, and who was the non-existent brother of Goliath, that was killed.

Quit trying to enlighten these blind m0rons. Ask them how the kangaroos got to Australia and are only found in Australia if Noah was the one that saved all the animals and brought them to mount Ararat. How did the kangaroos cross the pacific or Atlantic ocean to get there and no traces of their lineage were found around that place where the Noahs story happened.

I would love to believe this, but unfortunately upon checking I have come across more problems. 2 Samuel talks about four deaths, 1 chronicles talks about only three. Not only does this make Samuel appear more detailed and original but remember Dr. Femi said there were two sides, the pro-David and anti-David factions. Have you wondered why the writers of chronicles exempted the fourth death? Let me read the fourth death to you:

"There was another war between the Philistines and Israel,
Broand David and his men went and fought the Philistines. During one of the battles, David grew tired. A giant named Ishbibenob, who was carrying a bronze spear that weighed about three and a half kilogrammes and who was wearing a new sword, thought he could kill David. But Abishai son of Zeruiah came to David's help, attacked the giant and killed him. Then David's men made him promise that he would never again go out with them to battle." 2 Samuel 15-17

The fourth death exposes David's weakness. It describes him as an ordinary man who gets tired and needs help, a very different image from the mighty man we all assumed. It is possible that the pro-David writers saw this and decided to exempt that passage, or else why else could they have.

And so if they could do this then why could they not also distort that of Elhanan killing Goliath?

Bro, I read you loud and clear.I am an atheist and I'm convinced beyond any reasonable doubt that the bible is full of shltt.

Syncan:
Dear one, 1chronicles 20:5 tells the correct story on that event albeit "And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver's beam".

Its been shown by some biblical scholars that there must have been a copyist error in 2Sam 21:19.

Copyist error? So this so-called word of God is fallible? You will all agree one day that this book is a work of fiction.

Nbote:
Dis airtel 200 for 2GB is a scam. I subbed for it and used it to download Game of Thrones 6 ep8 twice because d ntwrk was as fast as a snail though got download speed of up to 50kb/s and lo and behold when I tried to browse hours after it was done, my browser kept redirecting to an airtel homepage saying I have no data and should subscribe for anoda airtel data.. D downloads were approximately 200mb...

Simply switch to 2g network after that switch off the mobile data and turn it back on. You should be able to browse. If u then switch to to 3g after this process u will be allowed to use 10mb under 3g speed after which u will be redirected to the no data airtel page. Do the whole switching to 2g process again. But while on 2g u wont be redirected to airtel no data page.

Endougs:
Am enjoying my surfing with the 2G network gat no time for all those process because of 3G network

Its actually quite fast while opening web pages and loading images. Even streaming is cool,doesnt buffer anyhow. But download is slow but i get alternating download speed of 73kb/sec and 30kb/sec. Its manageable compared to the unreliable glo snail that keeps disconnecting and moving from 3g to 2g every second.

onyekabe:
bad gift from the wicked god

You Don talk am all. These fools don't think.
And the so called god decided to give them a mentally challenged burden for a child.

mmsen:
A child is a responsibility borne of physical interaction between a man and a woman.

There is no 'god' involved in that process.

I have no respect for the parents in this position but there are people all over the world who have done likewise and worse.

Tell them so that they will stop using empty platitudes to explain things that are obvious and common sense.

airsaylongcon:
Please ọ when did South Sudan become part of the Sahara?

I think u should look it up. I think we are even part of the sub Saharan Africa. Sudan is equally part of the sahara.

Apparently rainfall is now a mystery. Dude someone needs to slap some serious sense into ur superstitious skull.

wirinet:
In hypothesize that there are two species of man on the planet today, there is the acknowledged Homo Sapiens (thinking man) and Homo Religio (religious man). Homo Sapiens survive by thinking while Homo Religio is only concerned about matters of faith. Homo Religio is prominent in Nigeria and most developing countries.

Exactly.
Please help me explain to them before they label the reasonable ones 'mad',because we are a minority and there are only a handful of us (homo sapiens) left in Nigeria.

ATMC:
Touché. I'll get back to you. Your last sentence got me thinking.

So u really retained that brain activity called "thinking"?
I thought u lost it to religious faith.
Please wake that ability up and free ur self from lies that shouldn't survive elementary school education.
We are a humans( the thinking man).