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hakunajay:
Origin of the word church

Origin
Old English cir(i)ce, cyr(i)ce, related to Dutch kerk and German Kirche, based on medieval Greek kurikon, from Greek kuriakon (dōma) ‘Lord's (house)’, from kurios ‘master or lord’. Compare with kirk.


Etc etc...

You De mind these aturu wet full here.
The other bigot Don start preaching cherubim.

garyaustin:
Ubi in Igbo language means GARDEN or FARM. Ubim means my GARDEN or my FARM;Che means guard.
Cherubim= Guard my Garden or Farm.
Remember that God installed The Cherub (Cherubim) to guard the tree of life at the Garden of Eden.
op your are great!

Genesis 3:24 says, “He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life.”. According to this verse, only one side of Eden was guarded—the east side and you find the Igboman in the EAST!

Chere= wait, stay, keep watch
Ubim= my GARDEN or my FARM
Which ever way you look at it CHERUBIM in Igbo language simply means Keeper of my Garden ( as in Garden of Eden )

Get small sense na abeg.
Conspiracy theorist.
You no De shame?

stansaintly:
''Before English there was Igbo. Igbo is the lost tribe of Israel''

Igbo kwenu! I always feel like crying whenever I see teachers or parents flog their children because they were speaking Igbo language. They want their children to speak English not knowing that the English they want their children to speak was borrowed from Igbo. Do you know that there are more than a thousand words in English, French, Latin, Hebrew and other languages that were borrowed from Igbo Language. Did I just hear you say ''na lie'' ? Ok. Because of space, let me only give you 25 English words stolen from Igbo language. If you need more, you can contact me.


1. Cherubim – Borrowed from Igbo phrase ‘’chere ubim’’ which means ‘’guard my home’’

2. Book – Borrowed from Igbo phrase “bu uka’’ meaning ‘’carries the facts’’

3. Water – Stolen from Igbo word ‘’wuta’’ which means ‘’pour’’

4. Nurse – Coined from the phrase ‘’noro nso’’ meaning ‘’stay near’’

5. Animal – Coined from the Igbo phrase ‘’anu malu’’ which when translated means ‘’meat that knows’’ or ‘’flesh aware of life’’ or ‘’meat is conscious’’

6. Bank – Got from the phrase ‘’uba na aka’’ meaning ‘’wealth at hand’’

7. Harlot – Coined from ‘’ha laa otu’’ meaning ‘’they had sex’’

8. Say – stolen from Igbo word ‘’Si’’ which means say

9. Answer – got from ‘’nsa’’ which means ‘’response’’

10. Carpenter – coined from the phrase ‘’ka apita’’ which means ‘’carve out’’

11. News – got from ‘’nu zuo’’ which means ‘’hear it all’’

12. Soccer – coined from ‘’oso ka’’ which means ‘’running is greater’’ or “there is more running done’’ or ‘’greater at running’’

13. Patrol – got from ‘’puta uli’’ meaning ‘’come out for strolls’’

14. Sabbath – coined from ‘’Asaa bu taa’’ which means ‘’today is seventh’’ or ‘’seventh is this day’’

15. Amen – got from ‘’ya mee nu’’ which means ‘’may it be done’’

16. Genesis – coined from the phrase ‘’jee na isi isi’’ meaning ‘’go to the very beginning’’

17. Conquer – got from ‘’nku ka’’ which means ‘’break down’’

18. Queue – borrowed from ‘’kwih’’ or ‘’kwunye’’ meaning ‘’join in’’

19. Music/Musical – got from ‘’mee uzu ka’’ which means ‘’make the greatest noise’’

20. Quote – got from ‘’kwute’’ which means ‘’make mention’'

21. Page – coined from ‘’pia jie’’ meaning fold

22. Boy – got from ‘’bu oyi’’ which means ‘’be friend’’

23. Girl – coined from ‘’ga alu’’ meaning ‘’will marry’’

24. Embassy – coined from the phrase ‘’mba zie’’ which means ‘’nations message’’ or nation send

25. Catastrophe – coined from the phrase ‘’akata asi tufia’’ meaning ‘’when mentioned the Igbos eject saliva from the mouth and say ‘tufia’ ‘’

Hope you are now convinced that before English there was Igbo and Igbo is the lost tribe of Israel. For those who don't know, Igbo is a tribe from south eastern part of Nigeria. Read more about them here. How una see am. Igbo Kwezuo nu!

Asshol3.
Idiot.
May you be as confused as this guy.

chachanga:
Ok
What i meant by "critical thinking" though, is our present ability to question institutions, practices and phenomena with the vast resources at our disposal. Not, vaunting our superiority over the past generations despite being a product of an ongoing evolutionary process that's far from over.

Viewing things from this context, we liberally take the spirit of the Word and the Life principles to heart instead of "hair-splitting" and adapting, methodologies which were set aside even by Christ himself for our own use again. It was rightly said in Daniel, and i paraphrase that "in the end of days, knowledge will increase, and men will enjoy high mobility..."! That cuts across all spheres of human endeavors and not merely transportation.

If i may ask then, what will be the intrinsic growth value and survival prospects of a civilization with high mobility of information exchange and resource but yet refuses evolve? Bleak, if i may say . The Word of God recognises the need for us to evolve in our interactions with God, the Word etc, and not remain statuesque "stone-henge" relics in our rapidly advancing generations and there is enough room in there to adapt the life principles to your own specific life scenarios.

The sincerity of the Book even reflects in the life scenarios and mistakes of the characters written therein for us to learn from. Every single word in the Bible may never apply to every single person, that's a given fact! I don't see how I could ever be sold into any slavery now like Joseph, or start having to putting out sheep-fleeces like Gideon in an affirmation-test for God's direction neither can I ever see myself "wifey-ing" 700-babes and "sidechick-ing" 300 others like King Solomon even if I become the South African president or had more money than Bill GAtes but I can learn from and forge Life-empowering principles out of their experiences that will enrichen my journey today!

I don't have questions for Bhudha, Zoroaster, the Wiccans etc though I certainly have got loads for Mohammed (because his book's a bastardized similitude of the Bible narrative); I don't know the Church movements or world-views you've encountered thus far. Mine's being far different and that above's just the way we view things. We don't cram unworkable "absolutes" down your windpipe!

Peace!

Don't run off just yet.
I have some pressing questions regarding your understanding of the bible.
Namely, I understand that you view the bible as the word of man rather than words inspired by an infallible omniscient being otherwise you wouldn't assume that we should improve on those ancient texts.
Revelation 22:18-19 says, "For I testify unto everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, and from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

Please enlighten me.
Again, about we being in the age of(What i meant by "critical thinking" though, is our present ability to question institutions, practices and phenomena with the vast resources at our disposal. Not, vaunting our superiority over the past generations despite being a product of an ongoing evolutionary process that's far from over) ability to question institutions,practices,and phenomena, isn't it wrong according to the bible to question the word of god?
2 Peter 1:20-21New International Version (NIV)

20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit

From the portion above,bible wasn't written from the Jewish prophets interpretation or cultural background nor because of the resources available. They were written because of gods will and his will as the bible says is immutable. No room for improvement.

And from your writing you are suggesting that the era in which the bible authors lived in affected what they wrote,thereby begging the question, is it really gods word that they wrote or was it their ideas entirely?

I think I'm safe to say that you do not believe in the bibles authenticity and so called divine authority.

If you really believe that this bible is to be questioned and that we now have resources to do so, isn't it wise to conclude that anyone who still believes that Jesus was born from a virgin without sex is psychotic?
If one actually think that a book has not met the standards of a particular age and demands,won't it be ideal to make a review of such material and tell the readers to ignore the previous edition citing out the shortcomings of such a book?
If I should draw a conclusion from your statemen, I will strongly agree that you are not a true christian.
Please correct me if I'm getting it wrong.

Oahray:
the Bible isn't just a set of rigid laws and commands for Christians. When you fail to understand that, you would never get the Bible's message. Infact, the commands for Christians are very few. But if you read with an open mind, you'd see that it is full of principles (from Genesis to Revelation) that are neither impractical nor discriminatory. It isn't all laws... It contains descriptions of lives of people and gives us insight into God's view of matters.

No need to get all worked up, sir. You asked questions like you had an open mind, when actually it's locked stiff like a door rusty with disuse. You are not interested in examining answers to your questions because you have a set mind. That's barely different from religious fanatics too, who get upset when someone with a different viewpoint comes along.

Since it makes no difference what anyone says, I shall not bother myself on this issue anymore.

The bible is a set of rigid laws for Christians contrary to what you said.
Galatians 5:3
I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law
I am open minded.
When you say command for Christians did you mean like when Jesus told his disciples that they shouldn't go to the gentiles but only to the cities of Israel to look for his lost sheep. And also that before they must have gone through all the cities of Israel that he will surely comeback the second time. Mathew 10:5-23.
Once again please explain how the bible is to be taken partially by Christians.
Gods view of matters indeed.
His view like having the power to right all wrongs and cure all diseases yet he chose to manipulate people into killing his son so as to forgive you and save you from what he will do to you.
He will be the punisher and redeemer,he has the power to save you from anything by only uttering a word or even thinking but he chooses to wait for sinners to repent..
You should kill my son so that I will save you from what I will do to you. Hope this is crazy enough for you?
My brother you have nothing to explain. Admit it this bible is full of nonsense.
Luke 9 :27 , mathew 10: 23 mentioned the second coming of Jesus.
◄ Luke 9:27 ►
New International Version
"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.
False prophecies.
I'm not closed minded I'm just open to the fact that religion is not to be taken seriously.

Oahray:
It's inconsequential sir. We'd discuss the Bible, not me.

bro, these verses had nothing to do with sex or slut-shaming. The book of Isaiah was prophetic, but like most prophecies, terms the listeners would easily understand was often used. In the past, if a woman has reached a certain age and isn't married and no one is coming, or a woman cannot bear children, people look down on them. See an example at Isaiah 54 : 1 - 4. Even in 21st century Nigeria, people still look down on older single ladies. Now it's that shame that is referred to here. It's so much that they would request that a man just let them bear his name. At least they would have a husband. Of course those words are prophetic and the meaning is beyond the scope of this discussion.

You got the gist but missed the point. The point is, the society then treated women badly, but Jesus did not share their views and taught his followers to be different. Several times he pointed out certain traditions the Jews has and how they differed from what God wanted. But of course, the Bible contains the good examples and the bad. They both reveal principles that reflect God's personality and his viewpoint on matters. The men were wrong to slut-shame her. Jesus on the other hand, respected women and was not quick to condemn others. Jesus did not support them, and neither do I.

em... You aren't correct. Read Deuteronomy 17: 6 where the original law was given. Israelite Judges were forbidden from making decisions based on the testimony of just one witness, male or female. However, two or three witnesses establishes the matter. No mention is made of the gender.

this is Judaism and has nothing to do with christians. You still have time, quote the part in the Bible that advocates this rule.

I am not a woman.

Your question isn't clear, if you are asking if I believe the Bible...Yes I do.

Please rephrase your question if that is not what you meant.

Isn't it obvious that the whole point you made is referring to cultural background of the Jews?
Does this mean that the bible is not entirely gods word and so shouldn't be taken seriously?
This meme speaks volume of your religion.
A small and racist idol indeed.

Oahray:
look at how ancient Israel operated. The mosaic law was like their constitution. It was a normal thing to marry a virgin, and premarital sex was frowned upon. Infact the discovery that a bride is not a virgin was a very serious matter. So after you punish the offender, what next? What happens to the victim whose future is probably scarred? It wasn't the 21st century where people are more open minded in matters of sex and she could still go on to live a normal life.

The law that a man had to marry the girl he rapes was to protect the girl from what would be a stigma. It was more focused on the victim than the offender. You forced her, now you have to be with her for life and you dare not mistreat her. Other men would not want to marry her after the rape. So what next? Even in some Nigerian cultures, if a man gets a girl pregnant, her people insist he marries her. Why? To protect her future, considering their societal view on marriage and sex.

I'd address the issue of subjection together with my next post.

A female is stoned. To death for not being a virgin and the man doesn't need to be under this same fate because the men made this law themselves.
For your information, the bible claims that these laws were made by ur god and not the customs of the Jews like you claim.
You haven't said anything about rape here.
How can you say they made such laws to protect the victims when you still claim that the bible is the word of god not mans.
Isn't that the whole point of this argument?
If you turn around and start defending the bible with the reasons that it was written in respect to cultural values and norms then we have no reason arguing it because it mounts that you have come to the same conclusion like I have.
If it is the word of a perfect infallible god then all these laws should be practiced by Christians today.
But we all know that the bible like all religious books are full of ignorance and contradictions which are representatives of how the authors thought.
My brother, rape is rape and the bible reinforces it by not spelling out a proper and severe punishment for it.
Telling me to steal and pay less than the amount of money i stole as a fine is the same as telling me to go and steal.

Oahray:
again, consider the background. Even before Jesus birth, it was the duty of the leaders in Israel (starting from Moses) to instruct the people about God's laws. Before Israel had their first king, Judges and priests took the lead. These were persons chosen by God. Their leadership had divine backing. They had to take the lead in worship. There were times men not designated tried to preform certain duties that were not delegated to them, and they displeased God. One such person was king Uzziah. Another was Saul. There was also Korah and some others. The bottom line is, God takes leadership in worship seriously and he delegates authority. How does this relate to Paul's message?

Take note that it was the same Paul who wrote both letters. One to the Christians in Corinth and the other to Timothy.

In the letter to the Corinth which you quoted from earlier was a continuation of a set of instructions aimed at ensuring that their meetings were orderly. The issue of subjection was the focus. That can be seen in the letter to Timothy. Paul was against anything that would amount to challenging those taking the lead.

Take note that 1 Tim 2:11 began with "I do not permit..." This was Paul airing his opinion on subjection.

Now, the idea that a woman should be under leadership isn't demeaning. Apart from God, every other creatures is subject to authority. The Bible shows that men are subject to authority too and even Jesus has a head... His God and father. Infact many times he said he doesn't speak of his own initiative but what God told him. That doesn't make him incapable of conscious thought. Submission doesn't mean a woman is mentally and psychologically incapacitated. Someone has to take the lead.

About Adam and Eve... It was simply an allusion to what happened in Eden. As the head of the first family, it was Adam God gave instructions to. Same way many parents would give instructions to their eldest child when leaving the home. It was Adam's duty to tell his wife. It was in that backdrop that Paul made that statement. Back in Eden, it was the woman that got deceived, carried away by her own emotions. The man was not deceived into thinking it was right to eat it. It was willful; he simply did not care.

In a nutshell Paul was strongly endorsing subjection to male headship, not being confrontational or presuming to take the lead in worship.

Its no longer gods word,its now pauls word.
Awesome.
My point being that the christian god valued men more than women.
After all Genesis said they were created to be helpers.
All these your long write up no make sense.
My argument is clear.
Whether the background or no background your own argument points more to the fact that ur religion was a mere Jewish customs and traditions.
So since you think they don't matter again,you should do the wise thing and throw away the religion.
What Christians are doing today is similar to what homosexuals are doing. Trying to be Christians and demanding to be accepted by the church even though the bible clearly condemns their life style.
You either follow the bible completely or you dump it entirely.
Dont try and select some and leave others, by so doing, you are showing that the source of your belief is not trustworthy.

IamLEGEND1:
let me break this down for you....
Most of the early Christians in Corinth were women,who in turn succeeded in converting their husbands.....but not all.
Converts had to travel from far & wide to the place worship.....
Greco-Roman customs of that time didn't permit women to travel Alone,a male companion must be present.hence the inability of the Christian women to be present at all church gatherings.

The few times they were able to make it to gatherings,they were playing catch up to everyone and as a result asked questions other members considered irrelevant. and for congregation in it's infancy, the epileptic attendance of the women brought teachings to a standstill.
So the church of Corinth became notorious across Asia minor and the Mediterranean for disorderliness and Infighting....hence why Paul sent the letter to address the issue......context matters a lot in interpretation....

Context everytime
Did you even read that portion before writing these things?
That place says that it is a shame for them to talk I'm church, that they should be submissive and learn from their husbands implying that they are lesser than men.
How is this related to what you just wrote?
Don't just copy all these false brainwashing comments that christian apologetics cook up. Read the bible on your own.
If anything your writeup indicates that the bible was written for the Jews and their culture.
So why are you even trying to worship their idol if you won't live by the dictates of their founding fathers.
You should probably form your own 21st century god just like the Jews did.

chachanga:
I guess we'd also have to reserve some of these your questions for the Druids, Annunaki, the Vikings, Loki, Thor and all the Asgardian retinue of mythical and historical figures since Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are also in the class of historical characters, who lived and died long ago, even though Loki most certainly didn't.

Unclear comparisons like this only lead to sponsored misconceptions in an age when Women Bishops and General Overseers are too numerous to count in one exercise now.

You do need to consider the socio-cultural context before approaching specific portions applying to prevailing practices of eons ago with our present-day 21st century liberality and critical thinking. As per many of those "ceremonial rules & laws", they were set aside by Christ himself; you'll only find some offbase, fringe movements clinging to them for God-knows-what type of validation.

This shows that Christians of today do not obey the bible.
Christians now take what they want from the word of their infallible god and discard the rest as if their god can't be taken seriously at all times.
Since you have realised that we are in a time of critical thinking and not In the times of eons ago, why not admit that the bible is entirely outdated and shouldn't be considered useful in our times.

chachanga:
I guess we'd also have to reserve some of these your questions for the Druids, Annunaki, the Vikings, Loki, Thor and all the Asgardian retinue of mythical and historical figures since Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are also in the class of historical characters, who lived and died long ago, even though Loki most certainly didn't.

Unclear comparisons like this only lead to sponsored misconceptions in an age when Women Bishops and General Overseers are too numerous to count in one exercise now.

You do need to consider the socio-cultural context before approaching specific portions applying to prevailing practices of eons ago with our present-day 21st century liberality and critical thinking. As per many of those "ceremonial rules & laws", they were set aside by Christ himself; you'll only find some offbase, fringe movements clinging to them for God-knows-what type of validation.

This shows that Christians of today do not obey the bible.
Christians now take what they want from the word of their infallible god and discard the rest as if their god can't be taken seriously at all times.
Since you have realised that we are in a time of critical thinking and not I the times of eons ago, why not admit that the bible is entirely outdated and shouldn't be considered useful in our times.

CAPSLOCKED:

AND DRUNKARDS LIKE NOAH.

Abraham was the craziest of them all.
Claims that god appeared to him and tells him to mutilate every male and sacrifice his son.

Actually there's only one solution, STOP PRAYING.
Praying is a waste of time.

4everGod:
As an Atheist how can you tell the difference between Love and Hate? I ask because atheists do not believe that anything matters especially feelings since we are just a bundle of cells and chemicals. So please share with me how come you can feel hate and love?

Morality or feelings does not come from religion.
If anything, religion is very immoral.
Your god drowning a whole world,killing every first born of Egypt,threatening to burn u in hell,supporting rape,committing genocide in massive scales,promoting human sacrifice,preaching hatred,racism at its highest amongst other atrocities.
If morality comes from religion, how did our forefathers acquire their morals before the white men came with their foolish lies which they themselves have massively abandoned.

Tobitrueman:
Hahahahahahaha, good evening sir, hahahahaha, too much laugh, too much!!!!
Na wa o *laughing tears drops from eyes" hahahaha, I dey follow up back to back. Hahahahaha, they know their atheistic arguments have been proven baseless and illogical thus they are unto Islam now, a religion that is already a self-proven obvious falsified religion. Can't stop laughing men!!! hahaha. It's just too hilarious. Keep it up

Zombie

analice107:
The Message of the cross has been presented to you again and again, in your office and here, but you insist on seeing God with your physical eyes before you believe he exists. I don't know whether in all of your learning, there's a way we can make you see a spirit. A SPIRIT... GOD IS A SPIRIT, NOT MATERIAL. HE DOESN'T DWELL IN THE REALM OF MATERIAL. But you already know of that right?
Typing this really makes me laugh, seriously. I think at this point I will leave you with Jesus' words.

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Revelation:22:11

I think you should go ahead and maintain your stance. Whatever you are right now, keep being it. It's seriously becoming like, Christ is so weak and Vulnerable begging you to come to Him, without which, he will loose his divinity.

Have you ever sat down to ponder over this? If you accept Christ into your life, who gains? Him or you? What can u actually give to him?

You reject His offer of Love? No shakes at all.
Just wish(because that's all that's left for u to do) that there's indeed no God, because if you die and discover he is there. Hahahahahahahaha.

What you just said is called pascals wager and its a stupid argument and is totally flawed
What if you die and realise your Christianity was a lie and Islam or Buddhism or any other religion is the truth?
You are also implying that you can force yourself to believe in falsehood.

The Wager assumes that God will be impressed by, and happily reward, people who worship just to avoid Hell. An all-powerful (or very powerful) being would gain little from the mental allegiance of human beings. In the same way, it would be pretty pointless for a human to persuade the inhabitants of an anthill to worship him. The constant harangues and demands for worship by the Abrahamic god as stated in the Old Testament suggest that it is just be an ego thing

analice107:
The Message of the cross has been presented to you again and again, in your office and here, but you insist on seeing God with your physical eyes before you believe he exists. I don't know whether in all of your learning, there's a way we can make you see a spirit. A SPIRIT... GOD IS A SPIRIT, NOT MATERIAL. HE DOESN'T DWELL IN THE REALM OF MATERIAL. But you already know of that right?
Typing this really makes me laugh, seriously. I think at this point I will leave you with Jesus' words.

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Revelation:22:11

I think you should go ahead and maintain your stance. Whatever you are right now, keep being it. It's seriously becoming like, Christ is so weak and Vulnerable begging you to come to Him, without which, he will loose his divinity.

Have you ever sat down to ponder over this? If you accept Christ into your life, who gains? Him or you? What can u actually give to him?

You reject His offer of Love? No shakes at all.
Just wish(because that's all that's left for u to do) that there's indeed no God, because if you die and discover he is there. Hahahahahahahaha.

What you just said is called pascals wager and its a stupid argument and is totally flawed
What if you die and realise your Christianity was a lie and Islam or Buddhism or any other religion is the truth?
You are also implying that you can force yourself to believe in falsehood.

The Wager assumes that God will be impressed by, and happily reward, people who worship just to avoid Hell. An all-powerful (or very powerful) being would gain little from the mental allegiance of human beings. In the same way, it would be pretty pointless for a human to persuade the inhabitants of an anthill to worship him. The constant harangues and demands for worship by the Abrahamic god as stated in the Old Testament suggest that it might just be an ego thing

winner01:

Na so oo my brother


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But what we do know.

Here are the principles of atheism
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But really atheists crack me up. Tell them "God is good" or "God bless you". They could give you two pages of insult.

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People could learn about the atheists logic
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and their futile attempt to alter their meaning of atheism.
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They then give themselves pretentious monikers like free thinker, rational, logical etc. And if you're not an atheist, then you cant be any of these
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They demonize and criticize those who practice real science.
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And exalt pseudoscience just to further their atheistic agenda.
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Then they post several topics of false prophets not following the teachings of Christ, just so they can justify their atheism and gain more followers. But we know that:
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But really, just see the difference.
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I just have a piece of advise for atheists here
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Its impossible to be logical and reasonable and yet believe that a human was born of a virgin without sex.
This point alone proves that theists don't think when it to religious matters.
Who told you that you can win an argument against an atheist.
We walk out of threads because theist have nothing sensible to offer as proof or logical explanation.

My guy try get sense small.

oweniwe:
Honestly, i was surprised by this question. Every book has a purpose. Some books are meant for recreation, some for advice, some on health and hygiene, Some for self help... etc. Just like a multi-tool box..... And you know, when you want to use a multi-tool box, you open the box, IDENTIFY THE TOOL YOU REQUIRE, use it, replace and close the box. That's the same way (I) use the Bible. I don;t just read the Bible anyhow... I only read the part i require from it.

If you have time, i recommend you read James Chapter 1... then close your eyes, take a deep breath and ask yourself if the chapter is useful to use.

The was a time babe and I, not wanting to talk dirty during midnight chats, decided to paste songs of solomon for each other. i would paste verse 1-5 for her, she would paste verse 6-10 for me... on and on till we got tired of the game... believe me, it was romantic.

If i am facing uncertain situations, i may read Paslm 91.

So... the Bible has so many uses... identify the part you need, and move on.

All I see the bible doing is creating hatred, strife and people who are unreasonably judgemental. A loving father drowning and yet threatening to torment his loved children with eternal fire. That sounds more like a psychopathic criminal.

I guess you haven't read much of the Bible, otherwise you wouldn't have made the above statement.

When you become a Parent... and you see your child taking hard drugs... if you do nothing and look away... and you child later becomes "wasted", your child will blame you for not warning him about the dangers of indulging in hard drugs.

But if you warn your child and say... my child, don't take hard drugs... if you do... it is going to ruin your brain, relations with people, work and future.... Your child may listen to you after seeing how erratic and disorganized people who abuse drugs behave.

God works in similar way..... There are many activities and forces working above our heads that we cannot see. .. we might feel them, but we cant see them.

Can you see into the future? God asked Job some questions here....

12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days (began), (And) caused the dayspring to know its place; That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, And the wicked be shaken out of it? Job 38:12-13

Canst thou bind the cluster of the Pleiades, Or loose the bands of Orion? Knowest thou the ordinances of the heavens? Canst thou establish the dominion thereof in the earth?

Canst thou bind the wild-ox with his band in the furrow? Or will he harrow the valleys after thee? Wilt thou trust him, because his strength is great? Or wilt thou leave to him thy labor? Wilt thou confide in him, that he will bring home thy seed, And gather (the grain) of thy threshing-floor? ........... (Obviously, you will agree the 'wild ox' is not really an animal)

Can you answer those questions? What do you think the Bible meant by "Have you commanded your morning...?"

These are not empty words... they are deep words of admonition that anyone will find useful.

Have the gates of death been revealed unto thee...? ... Do you know what will happen after you die?

The point i'm trying to make is.... God is not really that angry and vengeful monster you think He is..... He is only trying to advice you... Just as you would advice your child not to do this or not to do that.... It's up up to you to take the advice or not.

On Hell fire..... It might be real... it might not be real.... If you tell your child ... don't abuse drugs because if you do, you will see "hell fire".... there are so many cases of people who got wasted after trying out narcotics.... that is their own "hell'....

A wise person won't take any advice from anyone who tortures and drowns his own children. The parts of the bible that sound like they teach good morals are just a no brainer. You don't need to be told that killing is wrong nor that stealing is wrong. Just ask urself why the state does not incorporate fornication as a crime in the law. Its because we are wise enough to tell good from bad whether or not a medieval book tells us to do so.

Honestly... this is not right.

Armed robbers who go to rob bank.... shoot people and steal money... Do they know that armed robbery is wrong?

People who smoke weed or even cigar.... Do they know that smoking is not good for the health? That was how a cousin who was fat and fresh became emaciated and wrinkled after about a year of smoking weed....

Pick-pockets, corrupt politicians, Drug and human traffickers..... They know that the things they are doing is bad..... but does their knowledge of good and bad does not deter them from stealing or destroying other people's homes.

The fact that we know what is good and what is bad doesn't stop mankind from doing bad things... you probably have no idea of how bad things have become. You will read news that Fulani herdsmen .... armed with automatic riffles... would sneak into villages at midnight and start shooting everyone in sight.... is that right to you? If it is not right to you, then wwhy do you think fulani herdsmen are destroying the lives of people who did not offend them in any way?

If you were God, how would you deal with these fulani herdsmen?

Will you caution them, arrest and lock them up, kill them (why should you keep them alive after they've killed so many other people?) or you would grind them to dust and blow their ashes away?

If you would take any of the above measures, then why are you condemning the concept of hell fire? If you are God... People were killing each other anyhow.... and you created hell and say... from now on... any one who kills another person without cause will go to hell.... And one fulani herdsman killed 20 people who did not offend him, if he goes to hell, it is not your fault.

That hell fire you created is meant to serve as a sort of psychological deterrent to prevent mankind from going haywire... if there were no hell... people would start butchering each other just for fun.

You said man is wise enough to know everything.... Is it everything in the world that man knows? How come man, with all the technologies at his disposal still doesn't know how to prevent and cure simple diseases? .... Take cancer for example... Why hasn't man been able to cure cancer if he is so wise?

You might be thinking you're the best in your field... until you travel out... and see other people who are far better than you in the same field.

So.... if you think man is all wise,.... next 50 years, the next generation will even call us 'foolish'

So the way to advice someone is to kill them?
Your bible claims that god is omniscient yet he regretted why he created man.
He destroyed a world with water to rid it of sin yet the sin is even worse now than ever. Now where's the wisdom and ability to see the future of his purpose keeps failing?
You mentioned reading parts of the bible and ignoring the rest. That's just very wrong according to the dictates of the bible itself. If you believe that it is divine then every single word in it should be flawless and therefore considered no lesser than the others.
Remember the 42 kids that ur loving god sent bears to kill because they mocked Elijah.
Those were kids,they didn't deserve to die because of a mere bald man. Try and kill a single child for making fun of you and see what people around you will do to you.
Are you saying that criminals do not know that crime is bad? Why are you saying such things. You are too old to think like this.
I'm sure you also ignore the verses that said Jesus was born without sex by a virgin.
Please throw that bible away its of no use now. Medieval people wrote that book to explain how they viewed the world. Now we can explain what causes sickness instead of calling it sin. We can explain lightening and thunder instead of calling it gods voice or whatever nonsense Jews came up with. We know that donkeys and snakes don't and never talked.
We can explain natural disasters instead saying its the sign of the last days.
Religion and its books are obsolete and should therefore be discarded.

Oahray:
I have, and I dare say, far more than most readers. What is "demeaning" is subjective. There are those who think that if you tell a lady not to try carrying a bag of cement by herself, you are demeaning her. There's no part of the Bible that portray women as mentally or psychologically inferior. Post examples if you know any.

The verse I quoted earlier says that they should not speak up but to ask their husbands at home.
Isn't this similar to telling someone that they are not good enough to understand or express themselves unless their husbands explains to them?
1 Timothy 2:11-14 ESV

Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.

If this(for Adam was formed first then eve,Adam was not deceived but the woman was deceived) does not mean psychological weakness to you then I can't help anymore.

Oahray:
The Bible does not encourage rape. One thing you should do when reading verses is to ponder on the context and try to get background info. The Israelite men under the Mosaic law could easily give their wives a certificate of divorce under many circumstances (Jesus corrected this later though. Adultery should be the only ground). Now for a man who rapes an unengaged girl (if she is engaged, he dies), he has to marry her and cannot divorce her on any ground whatsoever. He was also to pay a fine. How could that possibly be support for rape? Is there any nation with the death sentence for male rapists?

As regards the way the Bible portrays women... Well, the Bible is patriarchal and upholds a leadership structure that flows down from God to Jesus to the congregation to the man to his wife. However, even while strongly advocating gender roles, the Bible does not demean women. A man is to love his wife and never mistreat her. Some women like Deborah performed leadership roles. Some women like the daughters of Philip prophesied.

What the Bible does is that it tell you, look... The man should be the head. Still he has to earn the submission of his wife and is obligated to provide for his family.

In what context again do I consider this.
Read the analogy I gave.
If I rape your sister because I love her knowing that she does not love me back and raping her would be the ultimate way of marrying her against her will, a law that dictates payment of bride price for rape is encouraging the act of rape.
On the issue of women being told to shut up and that it is a disgrace for them to speak up is clearly telling them that they are not worthy of speaking when men are around.
I don't know how else you want this to be explained before you agree that all religions took women for granted.

herbie27:
Is very obvious you guys are not christians, i think you all need slaps to reset your brains to factory setting.

Is that your defence?
No wonder you believe in a fairy tale vindictive sky monster who loves violence.

According to deutronomy 22: 28-29.
(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.)
Assuming I meet a hot lady and she refuses to marry me,since the punishment for rape in this situation is marriage without divorce, isn't this a reinforcement for rapists?

1 Corinthians 14:34-35New International Version (NIV)

34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church..

So why are there female pastors if they are required to keep quiet?
why do women manage so many positions of power that requires them to speak out in churches today?

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Vikky014:
ok virginity is nt the pride of a woman. hving sex wt a guy dt is nt ur husband is the pride of a woman right .well the issue is the first question guys ask a lady bfore they decide on any form of relationship wt u is Are u still a Virgin?..so mayb ur answer will determine whether it is ur pride or nt....so forget d whole story


the bitter truth is sex outside any form of commitment is foolishness on the part of d lady bc sme1 will want to marry u one day. and u cant rewrite ur past no matter what

I consider it an act of folly to ask a woman about her virginity and making conclusions based that,. Its absolutely unreasonable.
Why would I want a virgin over a non virgin for a wife?
What's the advantage there?
An employer will always prefer an experienced applicant over a fresh man.
In my opinion, I would say that the virgin will most likely commit adultery since she's never had multiple sex partners,she would always fancy the thought and even act upon it.

ebujany:
Hate is a strong word. What of those that supported mr president, voted for him but are now regreting their action, are they still ipob, ugu repub or pdp? Am one, i voted for buhari but so far it seems its a mistake. No economic direction, even the corruption fight is against the opposition. If ur in apc, u will be shielded and it will be settled in house example dogara.... U know the truth bro, nigerians are suffering, including you

His own amount of suffering is indescribable.
Mostly mental retardation amongst others.

tsdarkside:
which what??...i already know your views...its not my job to convert you from a wailer to a change agent...

others are better in that ,not me........

Look at this you gullible human.