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Mikocake:
I concur

If those comments and replies were real, the girl in that meme must have committed suicide by now.
So hilarious.

mumels:
My friend its quite unfortunate you are also amongst those who think they can mock the word of God.

No matter the explanation you get, you can't see what's right in front of you as long as you keep viewing the word of God from your mortal perspective.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work.


By the way let me chip this in for you, and let it sink well into your mind and thoughts, THE NUMBER ONE ENEMY OF MAN IS THE DEVIL, AND THE BIBLE MADE US KNOW THE DEVIL HIS WISE AND CRAFTY IN HIS OWN WAY, RIGHT THERE YOU THOUHT YOU ARE A GENIOUS BY THINKING THE BIBLE IS CONTRADICTING ITSELF Right!!! JUST AS WISE AS THE DEVIL HIS AND HIS DOOM AS BEEN PROPHESIED SO WILL ALL THOSE WHO THINK THEY ARE WISE IN THEIR OWN STRENGHT BE DOOMED.

MY ADVICE IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND A THING ABOUT GOD AND NOT EVEN BIBLE OR KORAN NOW,ASK FOR ENLIGHTENMENT AND NEVEE MOCK GOD...

Good luck

God does not exist.
God isn't real
Gods were made up by various tribes and nations including your own tribe.
Your tribe must have their own stories about how man came into existence and just because your forefathers were coerced into accepting the Jewish fictional tale does not mean its any more true than your tribal creation story.

KingOfAmebo:
The more you apply logic into the things of God the more foolish you become. Same reason God warned Adam not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil... knowledge is so powerful that it can make you question your maker of his existence. Look around you most people that don't believe in God are the smartest and knowledgeable people in our society, scientists and technologists. They try to prove theories with their knowledge and even looking for mistakes in the Bible forgetting the Bible is not a novel but a book that is read with spiritual discernment.

He gave you the capacity to think and ask questions but he is afraid that you will derail if you use the gift he gave you.
Why give you something that threatens his being?
Those humans applying logic and trying to question everything are the ones that make the difference on earth today.
The other class of smart people have seen how vulnerable people are, especially in places where suffering thrives so they become the so called pastors and take advantage of gullible people mostly through childhood indoctrination and brainwashing of ignorant adults who refuse or are unable to question the stories they are told.

shreck:
Colossians 1:15
(Living Translation)
Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,
The lord Jesus is God not a replica.
But a lot of people cannot fathom the length and breath of Gods love.
And deny this truth.
(No man has seen Good at anytime)refers to God the father of spirits.
However, we are not men(humus paracletusl
We are sons of God(not Abraham's sons l
We are joint heirs with the Christ of God.
Amen
Behold what manner of love the father has given unto us(that we should be called the sons of God)

So you are saying that god died to save you from what he will do to you?
Why not just say the word and you will be saved since he is all powerful?
or was he too dumb to think if that?
Why must we go through this whole drama just to get saved from the same maniac threatening to torment us?
That's very unreasonale to say the least.

ngmgeek:
Curiosity kills the cat. Certain things are better left alone, my friend.

I suspect the next thing you will do is to start reading the 7 books of Moses.

And then, Madness may arrive. And then, you will say you are the owner of NAIRALAND

Guy you are a funny person.
Very funny
Can't stop laughing.
Owner of nairaland. Lol

tonykel1:
Moses only saw God's infinity past. He did not see God in the physical. This is the reason he was able to write the book of the beginning (Genesis) through inspirational revelation which occurred before his (Moses) existence.

That book of genesis claims the earth and man were created some 6000 years ago but that's a big lie.
The earth is over 4 billion years old while man has existed for about two hundred thousand years on earth.
Your bible should be a book meant for unsuspecting kids and a tale for the ignorant but sadly, adults have fallen for this cheap scam..

josef1:
you're just too canal and a confused nigga who's already lost in the depth of hell... You're neither a Christian nor a Muslim nor a Hindu nor a traditional religion practisionist why not face your business and jejely accept the eternal condemnation given to you for creating this thread?

I'm happy you've accepted defeat but you have a funny way of showing it.
Take it like a man and stop weeping.

Artorius:
Concerning the meme, Jesus' experience was a spiritual one. It wasn't an actual physical mountain, just as it wasn't the actual pinnacle of the temple

And how do you know this?
Is "all the kingdoms of the world" a spiritual experience too?

mumels:
My friend its quite unfortunate you are also amongst those who think they can mock the word of God.

No matter the explanation you get, you can't see what's right in front of you as long as you keep viewing the word of God from your mortal perspective.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work.


By the way let me chip this in for you, and let it sink well into your mind and thoughts, THE NUMBER ONE ENEMY OF MAN IS THE DEVIL, AND THE BIBLE MADE US KNOW THE DEVIL HIS WISE AND CRAFTY IN HIS OWN WAY, RIGHT THERE YOU THOUHT YOU ARE A GENIOUS BY THINKING THE BIBLE IS CONTRADICTING ITSELF Right!!! JUST AS WISE AS THE DEVIL HIS AND HIS DOOM AS BEEN PROPHESIED SO WILL ALL THOSE WHO THINK THEY ARE WISE IN THEIR OWN STRENGHT BE DOOMED.

MY ADVICE IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND A THING ABOUT GOD AND NOT EVEN BIBLE OR KORAN NOW,ASK FOR ENLIGHTENMENT AND NEVEE MOCK GOD...

Good luck

And this loving father called God knew how bad the devil was but he cast him down to earth were his vulnerable children reside.
Didn't god see other uninhabited planets to cast the devil into or were the authors of this friction ignorant to the fact that other planets exists outside our earth?
The authors clearly had no idea that mars and Saturn exists otherwise they wouldn't tell thi flawed tale.
Or perha, maybe god WS wicked to his children and wanted the devil to have them for breakfast so that this whole fictional work and drama will continue.

9jatatafo:
It is the aroma of the burnt/roasted animal offerings that was pleasing to GOD. GOD is a spirit. No where in the Bible says GOD ate the animals that were burnt/roasted.

Spirits like aroma too?
I made stew yesterday, maybe god ate the whole aroma no wonder it doesn't taste good now.
Funny guy.

gentlegenius:
The portion above says that they ate and drank. It didn't say they ate and drank with God. Pls don't add anything to the scriptures.

And don't remove anything.
But at least we cab both agree that they ate and drank together.
You don't need to see "they ate and drank together with god" to understand that it says just that.

obongkaks:
The Bible is far from being self contradictory.. Mention ur perceived gray areas and we shall clarify them

Please explain that.

Johnpaul1099:
Calvary greeting to everyone. Am writing this report in respect to so many cases that has been springing up since a new provincial pastor was brought to RCCG Lagos province 31 Named Pastor Olukanmi. Since the pastor was transferred to the province, He has been the no 1 Headache of the church, Several report has been made to his superiors but no action has so far been taken..List of some things that he has done
1. he has been cancelling every program brought by various units of the church. the only program that takes place in the church are programs drawn by him and him alone.
2. He publicly insult His pastors, workers and members of the church and chase then away from the premises of the head quarter where he worships...
3. The youth sunday order given by daddy G.O was cancelled by him for no reason so the youth in the church are not functioning again.
4. he doesn't allow anyone who is not a worker in redeem participate in anything.
5. He gives orders which are evil of a pastor
(i) There was a case of him telling the redeemed volunteers to go into the church and seize all the phones of members that are charging as a result of the poor power supply of the country, and this order was given without public annoucement, this order from Pastor Olukanmi therefore led to a fight withing the church premises amongst members and the redeemed volunteers whose phones were taken away by the redeemed volunteers. The fight lasted for hours and Pastor Olukanmi felt less concerned about the issue and went away.
(ii)This is a pastor who tasked his workers and pastors by given them envelope for them to give him a birthday present.
(iii)He has tied the hands of the youth in the church by removing anything that has to do with the youth from the church.
This Is only to mention but a few of what he has been doing, this report came up as a result of how a mighty provincial Headquarters (LP 31) has started crumbling and reducing all as a result of Pastor Olukanmi.
If this issue is not handled properly by Heads of the Redeemed Christian church of God, am sorry the Pastor might help in tarnishing the image of RCCG as a whole which the pastor has already done in the Locality of the Province.
We Are Tired!!!!!!!!!
Daddy G.O please do something Deliver and Help our province , so we can experience growth.

Written by Abuh Haruna

Have considered the possibility that the pastor might be god himself?
And he's also telling to be smart and stop worshipping nothing.
If prayer actually works,pray for him to stop and don't ask for a human to make him stop.
And why are you telling us this?
Did he bone tour wife of girlfriend?

visijo:
moses didn't see God.. That version of bible is not the real bible. Check king James version, that is the correct bible for a true christian... Moses could have been the only man to see God, but he didn't see God.. So dont be misguided by those new world order bibles..

Exodus 24:9-11King James Version (KJV)

9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:

10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.

11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink

Happy now?

Zoharariel:
Tanx for your concise post but what can we do than to keep educating them.


* 2109 B.C. Enlil ordered Moses up Mt. Sinai, landed his rocket (space ship) on the mount and, with an amplifier, told, the Israelites to reject all other Nibiran gods, spend every seventh day worshiping him, subjugate women and kids, refrain from murder, adultery, theft and false witness.

They must not, he demanded, crave others’ homes, wives, slaves and property. He gave Moses stone tablets he’d inscribed with his commandments and showed him how to build a temple and an Ark of the Covenant for the tablets.

Above the tablet drawer in the Ark, Moses must build a Talk-To-Enlil communicator (sporting two gold cherubs). Through the Ark, they could message Enlil, pose their question, and get his “Yes” or “No” answers.

* 2024 B.C. Enlil revealed he knew where Enki’d hidden Alalu’s nukes. With Anu’s approval, Ninurta (Enlil's 1st son) nuked Sinai; Nergal nuked Sodom, Gomorra, and made the Dead Sea dead.

Sumerian refugees fled throughout the Mediterranean and along the Volga to Geogia, Sumara, Finland and along the Danube to Dacia, Hungary as well as to India and the Far East.

* 2023 B.C. Nuclear fallout blew over and killed all Sumer, but not Bablylon. Marduk, now supreme, declared Babylon Sumer’s capital.

* 2016, B.C. For forty days, with a crystal-tipped electrum stylus, Endubscar, Master Scribe of Eridu, Sumer, wrote on a lapis lazuli tablet what his boss, Enki–a seven-foot tall man who served as Chief Scientist for a goldmining expedition to Earth from the planet Nibiru–dictated.

Enki stayed out of Endubscar’s sight. Endubscar’s narrative, compiled from data Zecharia Sitchin retrieved from the Eridu Genesis, the Atra Hasis and the Epic of Gilgamesh to create, The Lost Book of Enki, the main source for Free Humanity.

* 331 B.C. Alexander The Great reached Babylon in and rushed to the ziggurat temple to grasp the hands of Marduk as conquerors before him had done. But the great god was dead. Alexander saw Marduk’s body preserved in oils in his ziggurat.

I must be dreaming right now.
I don't think I've read any of those right,but are you really serious?

Chukazu:
Moses never saw God's face but his back which translates to his past, but not his future

And they ate and drank yet they didn't see his face.
What

malvisguy212:
according to the passage, They saw God, BUT God say "No man can see my FACE and Live" it is clear, base on other passage of the scripture, what these people saw
was not the essence of God, but rather a visual
representation of the glory of God. Even when
Moses asked to see God’s glory (Ex. 33:18–23), it
was only a likeness of God which Moses saw

And they ate with the essence of God's glory right?
Please consider all the clauses while answering this question.

KingEbukasBlog:
When you have a personal relationship with the creator , you won't ask unnecessary questions or logically reason anything . That's a fact which eludes the atheist .

Its only on Nairaland that I engage in exegesis . Outside here its God and I .

Trust me the comments that will be rolling in would be mostly on issues with bible stories . Just watch closely

When you have a personal relationship with the creator.
Do you even hear yourself.
You have a personal relationship with mental illness.
You can't see him but you have a personal relationship.
What is wrong with you?
You won't ask unnecessary question questions.
Which ones are unnecessary?
Like how Mary gave birth to a human without sex.
Or logically reason anything?
Seriously?
Are you not even supposed to be in a mental asylum?
How can you not think or ask questions about what you believe?
Sorry if I sound insulting but like you said,your inability to question the lies you accept eludes me and will definitely elude any rational human.

Emusan:
You and the guy you quoted didn't understand the OP, what the Op is simply saying is that Yahweh spoke many times in the OT that Yahweh will come by HIMSELF to judge His people but everything change in the NT that it's Jesus who will do the Judge. How come? Did Yahweh change His mind? Or, Has Yahweh truly come?

Any idea?

It changes in the new testament because the whole thing was made up.
Even the prophecies about this second coming failed to fulfill so I don't know whom you guys are awaiting for as your savior no one is coming to save you.
Maybe I'm the one.
It all ends here.


◄ Luke 9:27 ►
New International Version
"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God

And

◄ Matthew 10:23 ►
New International Version
When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes

Try all you can to rewrite the meaning of this verse or keep lying to yourself about this verses meaning just to safeguard your deep rooted believe in nonsense(simply called cognitive dissonance) but it still remains what it is.
Lies upon lies.
Empty promises.
The sooner you wake up from this scam the better.

promise10:
@stephenmorris Stop deluding yourself, thinking that without this persons, the word of God cannot be defended. Wake up please!

@OP, NO MAN HAD EVER SEEN GOD. Even John 1:18 confirms this to us as well. So it's not a coincidence in timothy, but A FACT.

John 1:18;"18 No man hath seen God AT ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

So, even moses NEVER, NEVER, NEVER saw God.

What he saw was the GLORY OF GOD through angels.

As a matter of fact, moses never saw God in the burning bush what he saw was an ANGEL, by the authority of God.

Acts 7:35;"35 This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand OF THE ANGEL WHICH APPEARED TO HIM IN THE BURNING BUSH."

As a matter of fact, God never ordained the law BY HIMSELF PHYSICALLY, but it was ordained by angels by God's authority.

Gal 3:19;" Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and IT(law) WAS ORDAINED BY ANGELS in the hand of a mediator(moses under law)"


As a matter of fact, God NEVER SPOKE the law BY HIS OWN MOUTH, but through angels.

Heb 2:2; "For if the word(law) SPOKEN BY ANGELS was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;"

Note: it is only under the law one receives the punishment one deserves.

AS a matter of fact, God NEVER deposited the law SINGLE-HANDEDLY BY HIMSELF. It was deposited through angels.

Acts 7:52-53;"52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have RECEIVED THE LAW BY THE DISPOSITION OF ANGELS and have not kept it."

So, the law was given all through angels BY THE AUTHORITY OF GOD.

Now, in the old testament, you may see something like "And the lord appeared..., and the lord spoke..." And many more, it doesn't mean that God HIMSELF PHYSICALLY APPEARED, but he appeared THROUGH A MEDIUM, most times, through angels.

Please stop using words that don't match what you mean to say.
What's delusional about pointing out flaws in a purely controversial work of fiction?
Arent you the deluded one trying to defend the indefensible?
How on earth would a sane man try to convince another that moses and 72 elders seeing god meant that they just saw some representation of god(angel)?
So god did not direct moses to write that he and his company saw him by specifically mentioning"the God of Israel"?
Was that not inspired of god?
And why didn't that place specifically say that they saw an angel representing god?
Or at least that they saw his glory.
This is a no brainer.
I ate and drank with you alongside 72 others and you still want to claim that I didn't see you.
Those verses made it clear that they saw the god of Israel... "They saw god" was a phrase there.
Please this delusion of a word is getting annoying so stop using it because you are distorting its meaning just as you are rewriting the bible with your own inspiration.

KingEbukasBlog:
Threadbare arguments are very soporific . You people keep rehashing arguments so why bother address what has been addressed before . You guys have nothing else to do

So please explain if they saw god or not.
I missed the former thread if there was any.
And look at this too.
How do you defend this?

Scholar8200:
Both are correct.

Here's what God HImself told Moses:
20 But, He said, You can not see My face, for no man shall see Me and live.
Exodus 33:20

And here He clarifies it:

My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.

8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
Numbers 12:7,8

Those verses you quoted were narratives about his encounter with only moses after the 72 elders Aaron and moses ate and drank together with god.
My question lies with this one not that one you mentioned.
Put into account that god ate and drank with them.
It is impossible to eat and drink with a person without seeing him or her.
So, not only moses but along with the 72 elders were witnesses to this event.
Consider the vivid explanation they gave about what they saw.

promise10:
Foolish atheist love taking advantage of lie!

Hello
What exactly did you mean?
Are you saying that the bible lied or that the guy I quoted lied?
Which one is it and the foolish I don't get too.
Are you bitter you can't explain what your bible said?
Don't hide, come out and play.

winner01:
9. Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel,
10. and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself


Two options:

1. The elders had some glimpse of the glory of God, though whatever they saw, it was something of which no image or picture could be made. Nothing is described but what was under his feet.
How do you see someone and the only description you have is the under of his feet.

Timothy was right: No one can see God and live, but one can see or behold the glory or the goodness of God.

Just like God told Moses later:
“I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence. . . . But . . . you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live”.


2. They may also have seen a christophany (a pre-incarnate image of God). Jacob wrestled with such being, and it was said that he wrestled with God. We know its not possible to wrestle with God.

These are my opinions, others can give theirs.



Stephen, You wont see me on such threads cos the aim of such threads are mockery and nothing more. I'm in a lighter mood that why i have decided to oblige you. My sole intent on this section is being reflected in my threads. Thanks.

So there could be 3 possibilities right?
So the bible was fuzzy on that one.
Now if they didn't see him how come they ate and drank?
Or you skipped that part.
Please tell me.

ayoku777:
You see, context is everything when it comes to understanding and interpreting the scriptures.

Seeing God has levels of depth and measure.

When Jesus walked the earth, we can say everyone saw Him, but definitely not to the same measure and depth to which his twelve disciples, who ate and drank with Him and saw him walk on water and speak to storms, saw Him.

And even the twelve also didn't see Him to the measure and depth that the three (Peter, James and John), who followed Him to the Mount of transfiguration and to Gethsemane, saw Him.

That's because there are depths to seeing God.

So when Jesus said in;

Joh 1:18 - NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared Him.

You would think Jesus was contradicting scripture, since there were clear biblical accounts of Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, etc all seeing God.

Isa 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.

Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

Ezekiel 1:26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.

28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

But Jesus was talking about seeing God in the context of "The bosom (or Heart) of the Father". Who God really was at heart, or at His core.

At this depth of seeing God, Jesus was right; no man hath seen God. Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, etc might have seen God's form or a similitude of Him; but they truly have not seen God in the context that Jesus was referring -His heart. Only Jesus had seen the Father at that depth and declared Him.

We must have this similar context in mind when we read Paul's statement in;

1Ti 6:16 -Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Paul is equally correct, because no man has seen, nor can fully see God -in all His glory. Infact, we are going to spend the rest of eternity growing in our ability to behold and comprehend the glory of God, so that we can continually be changed into the image of it. And it will forever be an inexhaustible and infinite adventure.

So, the scriptures that said that men saw God, and the one that said no man hath seen God, and that no man can see God; are not contradictory verses, but complimentary; if we read and interprete them with the benefit of context.

It's true what they say about the scriptures;

"When you take the TEXT out of the CONTEXT, you're left with the CON"

-from where comes CONTRADICTIONS and CONFUSIONS.

Context matters a lot in understanding and interpreting the scriptures.

Shalom

Did you even read the part that says that they ate and drank together or did you ignore it entirely?
How can you eat and drink with someone and yet you didn't see them ?
Please surprise me and say something intelligent.

Scholar8200:
It was a Similitude and Moses had no issue with that because he knew (after all he wrote Numbers and the others).

Are you for or against?
Honestly I have no intentions of arguing this with anyone.
Its as stupid as a kid telling you that he's a helicopter and ur response is "hey good for you kid".
Christians are similar to those kids.
Imagine an adult believing that a sort of food called manna once fell from heaven ad that a man turned water into wine and was equally born without sex.
Where do I even begin .
Religion is just plain stupidity.

ayoku777:
You see, context is everything when it comes to understanding and interpreting the scriptures.

Seeing God has levels of depth and measure.

When Jesus walked the earth, we can say everyone saw Him, but definitely not to the same measure and depth to which his twelve disciples, who ate and drank with Him and saw him walk on water and speak to storms, saw Him.

And even the twelve also didn't see Him to the measure and depth that the three (Peter, James and John), who followed Him to the Mount of transfiguration and to Gethsemane, saw Him.

That's because there are depths to seeing God.

So when Jesus said in;

Joh 1:18 - NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared Him.

You would think Jesus was contradicting scripture, since there were clear biblical accounts of Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, etc all seeing God.

But Jesus was talking about seeing God in the context of "The bosom (or Heart) of the Father". Who God really was at heart, or at His core.

At this depth of seeing God, Jesus was right; no man hath seen God. Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, etc might have seen God's form or a similitude of Him; but they truly have not seen God in the context that Jesus was referring -His heart. Only Jesus had seen the Father at that depth and declared Him.

We must have this similar context in mind when we read Paul's statement in;

1Ti 6:16 -Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Paul is equally correct, because no man has seen, nor can fully see God -in all His glory. Infact, we are going to spend the rest of eternity growing in our ability to behold and comprehend the glory of God, so that we can continually be changed into the image of it. And it will forever be an inexhaustible and infinite adventure.

So, the scriptures that said that men saw God, and the one that said no man hath seen God, and that no man can see God; are not contradictory verses, but complimentary; if we read and interprete them with the benefit of context.

It's true what they say about the scriptures;

"When you take the TEXT out of the CONTEXT, you're left with the CON"

-from where comes CONTRADICTIONS and CONFUSIONS.

Context matters a lot in understanding and interpreting the scriptures.

Shalom

How can a book tell you that people saw someone and then tell you that you can't and that no one has ever seen that person and you a modern man is now trying to prove that there is no falsehood there.?

I wanted you Christians to show the level of indoctrination you were subjected to and you did just that.

ayoku777:
You see, context is everything when it comes to understanding and interpreting the scriptures.

Seeing God has levels of depth and measure.

When Jesus walked the earth, we can say everyone saw Him, but definitely not to the same measure and depth to which his twelve disciples, who ate and drank with Him and saw him walk on water and speak to storms, saw Him.


And even the twelve also didn't see Him to the measure and depth that the three (Peter, James and John), who followed Him to the Mount of transfiguration and to Gethsemane, saw Him.

That's because there are depths to seeing God.

So when Jesus said in;

Joh 1:18 - NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared Him.

You would think Jesus was contradicting scripture, since there were clear biblical accounts of Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, etc all seeing God.

But Jesus was talking about seeing God in the context of "The bosom (or Heart) of the Father". Who God really was at heart, or at His core.

At this depth of seeing God, Jesus was right; no man hath seen God. Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, etc might have seen God's form or a similitude of Him; but they truly have not seen God in the context that Jesus was referring -His heart. Only Jesus had seen the Father at that depth and declared Him.

We must have this similar context in mind when we read Paul's statement in;

1Ti 6:16 -Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Paul is equally correct, because no man has seen, nor can fully see God -in all His glory. Infact, we are going to spend the rest of eternity growing in our ability to behold and comprehend the glory of God, so that we can continually be changed into the image of it. And it will forever be an inexhaustible and infinite adventure.

So, the scriptures that said that men saw God, and the one that said no man hath seen God, and that no man can see God; are not contradictory verses, but complimentary; if we read and interprete them with the benefit of context.

It's true what they say about the scriptures;

"When you take the TEXT out of the CONTEXT, you're left with the CON"

-from where comes CONTRADICTIONS and CONFUSIONS.

Context matters a lot in understanding and interpreting the scriptures.

Shalom

Seeing god has levels of depth and measure.
That's where I got discouraged.
Aren't you ashamed of saying that?
I explicitly announced that you compare those verses but u didn't.
Please stop embarrassing itself by saying Jesus this and his disciples that.
Read those portions before writing unnecessary essays.

stephenmorris:
winner01 and kingebukanaija will never visit such thread

Exactly my brother because they have nothing to say here as it would make them appear foolish.

Exodus 24:9-11New International Version (NIV)

9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.

Compare.....
◄ 1 Timothy 6:16 ►
New International Version
who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen

God being all invisible and a spirit, which one do we consider right here?
Please consider and discuss the issue that this meme raises.

chrisblack:
I bet many of you can't speak good English as much as buhari.although there is a tint of Fulani accent in his words ,anytime any day he speaks better than many of you clowns and your fathers put together

And who the hell are you?
What kind of person supports a president that caused an inflation so high that the average Nigerian is now poor?
From 7k, a bag of rice has risen to 20,500 naira.
Are you too blind to see that the old man took a challenge he has clearly proven to be too weak to handle?
Is he your father or relative that you are so sheepishly defending him at each turn?
People like you are the reason why our country refuses to grow.

Jibril659:
Some gullible animals will buy this because their brains have been infested by excessive consumption of fermented kunu

Funny guy.
Excessive kunu indeed.
Can't stop laughing.
I heard some now sniff pit toilet...