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Earthquake2:
Ok

You are comparing Sane to Zaha, imagine if Zaha was in the Man city team

Or imagine Sana was in Crystal Palace without the support of World class midfielders playing the ball in for him.

What would Sana and or Raheem be able to do in Palace. I don't think a lot in comparison.

BascoVanVeli:
Santi Carzola Villarreal

He is good but not " World class "

chrisooblog:
i think zaha can be world class. right club plus focus on his end. if he continues on this trajectory it's only a matter of time before a top club re-signs him

He is the highest paid player in Crystal Palace.

Add to that he is very happy and content after the nightmare he experienced at Manchester United he may not be too kern to move.

Icon79:
Alex Iwobi can play that role better than him, believe me. This post Chelsea Mikel is not a really true playmaker, he still uses experience and natural talent to get by in that role but, right now, DM is his best position.

As for Ighalo and Musa, I don't see what they have that we can't get from the young guns like Onyekuru, Osihmen, Chukwueze, etc. I don't want a situation where folks would be playing in a retirement league like China or the backwaters of Saudi Arabia but still be commanding starting positions in our national team based on their past exploits alone. I would prefer they step aside and give the young players a chance. How do we develop the young players if we keep recycling these oldies??


O pari

First of all, the Super Eagles is ABSOLUTELY NOT the place you develop TALENT.

Talent is developed, nurtured and created in your club and league. It is recognised and appreciated by CONTINOUS CONSISTENT TOP QUALITY OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCES.

What you are proposing is to enthrone MEDIOCRITY create the framework for Nepotism, favoritism and corruption.

The players you have mentioned have not gone anywhere near the level that Ighalo, Ahmed Musa and Mikel Obi have attained, indeed they MAY NEVER EVER attain that level.

You do not put speculative potential over established proven and tested quality players . All because they have chosen to chase after huge amounts of £££€€€ in less competitive league.

Your approach will take us BACKWARDS.

Let Osimhen and Chukwueze prove and develop themselves first over a few season. They could easily turn out to be a small flash in the pan. I can not even call them." one season wonders" because they have have not even played one season of football yet, in addition they haven't done anything wondrous to upstage our trusted players. For goodness sake this is thier first season in competitive first team football.

andrew444:
E pain am

My friend go and sit down

Lol sorry no vex Eéeeeeee be like say u no get wife na girlfriend.

So you no suppose vex naa , as dem overthrow you since na only long term rental you deh with option to acquire permanently.

Icon4s:
You can say it cannot work but that is what Rohr and his crew have adopted.

We need to first harness the talents available to us before we start chasing after the foreign born Players most of whom are not even interested in playing for Nigeria.

We have seen Players progress from the previous Olympics teams to SE so who says we cannot harvest players from the Dream team to the SE?

Rohr and his crew may continue to chase those illusive foreign borns but they have done well in gathering those that are directly elligible to play for us and we give them kudos for that.

You are a Nigerian and you believe that spin.

Our NFFofficials are too caught up in trying to arrange deal, favoritism and nepotism. Both at home and abroad.

andrew444:
He can't play for Ghana ,welbeck dodnt play for Ghana also

Same thing will happen to naija if those players are naija

Normal level

The biggest African gain from the English team is world class Wilfred zaha

The rest are average and crappy players

My goodness see "bad belle"

Whaaaaten these boy do you Them thief your wife.

Icon79:
I think we give these guys too much credit based on their past glories. I mean, somebody like Ighalo or Musa can have a fantastic game every now and then but the point is, as they age, those stellar games becomes rare and far between. I don't agree much with Pa Oni but I do agree with him that: at a stage, "if you refuse to leave football, football would leave you"

Forget their football age and take a look at where they play:
Mikel - from Chelsea to China, and now to the championship
Ighalo - from Watford to China
Musa - from Russia to Saudi Arabia

Trust me, you're are as good as the league/competition you play in


O pari

If you are good enough them you are old enough.

In reality there is nobody young or old who is currently better than Mikel.

If Pirlo can play for Juventus and Italy at 35+ or Arjen Robben, Danny Valdes, etc for the best clubs and for country then we have no basis to ask for the retirement of players that are still performing.

Currently all the supposedly youthful players we have are simply potential that is yet to be realised. Effectively young pretenders.

Being youthful can not and Will NEVER BE the sole criteria for a player to replace another.

Currently there is nobody better than Ighalo fact.

Icon4s:
That is why I love this seemless synergy between the U23 and SE coaches. Rohr wants to use that game to assess who and who are really ready for the next level.

This is a good development and should be sustained. We should have a standing U23 team. Even if there are no Olympics qualfiers we can organize quality friendlies for them.

Any young player promoted to the Super Eagles should have been tested and assessed by the U23 handlers.

I disagree with that approach it doesn't pursue merit as the overriding measurement for inclusion, it is way too NARROW. And unfortunately open too abuse, the story of Salisu is still fresh in many minds. In a country with high standards of probity and integrity this may be a good approach, however in Nigeria it will be fraught with problems.

It's what you do in your club and league week in and week out in terms of consistent continous top class outstanding performances that determines your quality not what you do in a training session or game for the U23.

Most top level teams will have players at U23 level who would have had at least 5/6 years of first team football. You will not see any academy players or B players in the U21 or U23.

Using that yardstick how many of our players in the U23 selection have had up to 3 years of first team continous consistent football ❓

Finally, with regards to Nigerian origin players who have already played for thier countries of abode or birth at U21 level will therefore be ineligible to play. That effectively excludes a huge ever growing quality pool of true youthful football talent.

andrew444:
Them dey talk about football you dey here to talk about money? Mtscheew

Who no no say epl na the richest league in europe?

Huddersfield ,fulham, cardiff go fit beat top seria b team?

Watford leicester are a top 10 club oga

We say in Warri, " Na money Kill Beta soup"

There is is an intrinsic link between money and acces to Quality. That means that top players will go where the money is "Ceteris Paribas"

In this regard Seria B is abysmally poor and struggle to attract and retain quality players from within and outside the league. Youth players in Seria B get paid peanuts it's shocking.

Players in English league one cost considerably more than players in Seria B.

In my opinion Seria B cannot compete with the Championship on any level. And they are more on the level of League one or even possible lower.

Huddersfield, Fulham and Cardiff will slaughter not just beat Brescia, Palermo and Verona. They are not by any means standards comparable.

Moving away from fantasy football can the top teams in Seria B contend with the physicality, intensity and speed of league one.

I can see Luton, Barnsley and Sunderland giving the top Seria B teams of Brescia, Palermo and Verona a very hard time if not beat them outrightly.

junnyjake:
Would you pick your grandiloquent self out of my face?!! You're known to always talk condescendingly at people with an opposing view to yours, perhaps, that makes you feel better about your shrunken manhood.

What a hypocrite you are, you change narratives when it suits your position and you make others feel shiťťy about their opinions.

I'm always going to be a thorn in your flesh, shining a light on your hypocritical being.

If your self esteem is suffering and your sense of self worth is on the ground, l apologise. But you commented on my opinion and post not vice versa.

However, you don't address the issue of disagreement and present your position or even attempt to substantiate it, but come up with a deduction of hypocrisy.

That's a very infantile approach to what should be an informed discourse.

tbaba1234:
Sevilla has started negotiations for Onyekuru.

Thier style of play, football philosophy and in general La Liga will suit him PERFECTLY.

Players should be wise and honest with themselves and make informed decisions as to what league and club will be best suited to them and give them opportunity to develop and excel.

kellycute:
but you refuse to acknowledge the school of thoughts that Leicester city system ain’t bringing the best in nacho. I’m just surprise that you are using “system” Cos it suit your narrative.

KC was sold by Manchester City as a striker that's why Leicester City paid £24 million for him.

I said well before KC moved to Leicester that the true test of his ability will be when he leaves city and is no longer surrounded by top world class players making things easier for any forward player.

Certain systems or certain players make it easier for a striker to score, that's football. That proposition is a common universal knowledge.

So what on earth is your point, unnecessary argument.

There is a school of unjustified excuses and praise singing for KC not a school of thought sorry.

BascoVanVeli:
Swansea just got robbed

Agreed without reservation.

Also double standard no VAR but it's available for Wolves v Manchester United. That's wrong.

gamaliel9:
If you want to watch raw English football...move to the Championship...League One...down...down...
There is this thing with their right backs i loath.....95percent of the time..if you give a right back a pass....hum....two touches forward...he looks up...tuuuuuuuum....I do not understand the hurry to send the ball flying forward...meanwhile there is a Nigerian in Celta Vigo bench

Painful true most of the time.

isan:
can he do well in a team that play football on the ground? am asking because u keep talking about the system

Well that's the big question.

Can he adapt change and create technical attributes he doesn't necessarily have to the required standard for a technically proficient skilful, ball on the deck side.

That's why he plays for Rotherham and not one of the more technically skilful sides in the Championship and or league one.

Anybody watching Swansea giving Manchester city a big scare they are winning 2-0.

kellycute:
ridiculous!!! Just because you wanna downgrade the achievement of semi, you now believe in system favouring players game abi? Abeg make we hear word.

I want you to consider what you have said and then ask yourself how intelligent it seems.

Every system suits different players " That is the nature of football " lt seems that observation is lost on you.

For instance Raheem, Sana and Gabriel thrive in the system the Guardiola has introduced at City. A system that did not favour Yaya, Zabaleta, Nasri, Bony, and of course KC, yet they were still very good players.

Football is about manager's, systems, philosophies, strategies and players decide which best suits thier individual attributes and qualities.

It is an apt observation to say that Rotherham style is very suited to Ajayi, what is the downgrade therefore as you call it, Here ❓

So clap for yourself you have shown your depth of understanding and knowledge of football.

BascoVanVeli:
I am not taking sides just had a problem with the statement you made. I didn't comment about anything else

What statement?

tbaba1234:
6 goals in the last 5 games playing in midfield. The man might have found his calling.

He is doing well for Rotherham and the system they play suits him.

Earthquake2:
What position is he playing?

DM

BascoVanVeli:
Then why would you say he couldn't play in a kick and rush team?

You have joined the conversation without establishing where it started from.

junnyjake:
Wasn't Leicester playing kick and rush football when Mahrez was there?

Now, you want to have a holistic view of things, but before now, you were all parochial about what makes a player worthy of national team call up.

Well, good morning to you sir!

Go back and look at the composition of the Leicester team and consider what you have presented.

Who plays Kick and rush with a 5' 8 striker in Vardy then look at the quality managers they have had.

Then what you have said seems not very sensible.

Danielnino00:
If he wants to play for Nigeria, he can start from the u-20 or u-23 ... He hasn't even made his mark for Liverpool reserve team so a SE call up is totally out of question

He can not play for the U20 he has already played for Holland. However, there may be an opportunity for the Olympic team.

I agree he has not done anything to justify a call up. He needs to go on loan and prove himself. Going to Italy he may end up on the bench.

Curtisaxel7:
Are you confident going to the AFCON with only ONE natural AM in the entire team and that man is over 30 years old and hasn't played in the SE since the WC?. What if Mikel gets injured or loses form? What then?.

Is there no AM worth his salt in the entire NPFL and NNL?. What of backwater European leagues? We can't find anyone there too?. Can't we bring back Sone Aluko or Hope Akpan for a bench role at least?. Anything is better than nothing.

I blame lazy scouting for our current plight.

Sone Aluko has always been outstanding quality.

If he hadn't been blinded by the £1 million sign up fee Reading offered he would be in the EPL playing for Fulham.

Since 2015 Reading fc have had about 7 managers with no manager lasting more than a year. That's a club in chaos.

Now his team is in free fall and playing survival football and technical players are considered a luxury. And He had been shipped off to China by the owners to enjoy Chinese money.

Otherwise when Aluko played for Nigeria he was in the EPL and clearly outstanding. In one game he came on as substitute against South Africa and rescued the game for us with his goal.

But after that literally forgotten by the NFF.

Danielnino00:
Bobby Adekanye will be a free agent in the summer and Lazio are very keen to acquire his signature...

He is a good composed and focused kid.

Actually with 100% desire to play for Nigeria, he speaks Yoruba fluently as well as a couple of other European languages.

Football wise his finishing needs improving.

BascoVanVeli:
So do you think Leicester were playing kick and chill when Mahrez was there?

No not all, infact he was outstanding that's why the creme de La creme of Europe were queuing up to buy him.

Curtisaxel7:
Happy birthday.

But please this is a football forum, we're here to talk football and not your personal life.

People here are not interactive computer programmes, don't be so cold, have a heart ♥ we are all human beings with different personalities.

SO LETS BE HUMANE AND CELEBRATE HIS PERSONAL NEW YEAR OF BIRTHDAY �.

tbaba1234:
My point has always been about exposure. Trencin beat Feyenoord earlier in the competition. Would you then recommend that Nigerian player go to Slovakia instead of Holland??

Better leagues give you a consistent level of competition weekly. That is needed to reach the top level.

Slavia Prague will be back playing the likes of Jablonec and banik.

Sevilla will be competing against Barca and the madrid clubs.

There is no doubt about who will be getting the more exposure and top competition.

Agreed without reservation

Danielnino00:
Yo folks....its my birthday!


Show some love!!

Happy � Birthday, with thanks to God for his grace over your life.

do4luv14:
starch and bangs soup, diced with catfish, and bushmeat

Na lie, u be area.

My preference is with Owho soup.

junnyjake:
Everyone on this thread can bear Me witness, you've always stressed that a player is doing nothing right, if he isn't getting game time consistently, if he isn't winning MOTMs or making appearances in the TOTW. This is what you posted recently, how does this not amount to a goalpost shift.

There is a monumental difference between me saying that a MOTM awards is indicative and recognition of outstanding quality. And what you have stated in the bold is MISREPRESENTATION and intentionally MISLEADING.

I brought in the term CONTEXT. A player getting a MOTM award in Liverpool and Manchester city, with truly world class players all around you. Is a far greater recognition of quality as well as much much harder to achieve. In comparison to a lower level club and league.

In that context, l have watched Rotherham this is not a club playing good quality technical football like Derby County, West Bromwich, Aston Villa, Reading, Swansea, etc or we can go to league one where Sunderland, Peterborough and Charlton play good level technical football. And even descend to League 2 where MK Dons still play good quality technical football in a very physical huff and puff, endeavour kick and rush league.

I look at matters with the additional context of the kind of football that has been played in the SE historically and our cultural ethos where football is concerned.

Back to Ajayi Rotherham pump the ball in the air (police game) and get thier big men to fight for it. One of the more prominent big men for them is Ajayi. That style suits him and is essentially his style. Clubs and managers get the players that fall in line with thier style of football. That's the context in which l look at him.

If Mahrez was in that team he would be anonymous he just would not be able to play good football and probably never win a MOTM award.

So understand the context and do not consider matters in isolation, but with a holistic view.

I am writing to educate not indict.