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EEGA:
After Wilfred Ndidi's move from Genk to Leicester, the coach that trained Ndidi in Lagos millitary cantonement from age 13-17 was paid 400,000 euros.

Can we call this fee, developmental fee?

This should put an end to the argument of Amunike being an Egunje coach.

Genk will not pay one penny to any local coach and or individual.

However, what happens the coach will have a registered corporate entity in the name of some football academy. This is the common practice to bypass FIFA rules on fees to individuals.

villagereporter:
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A little bit clear but still need more elaborate explanation.

That's nonsensical.

Before it was made illegal we had TPI and FIFA had stringent requirements you cannot pay any fee to a coach that is employed by a club.

As a football player in a Club you will have literally 10/20 coaches that will input in the development of that player. So each of them will be claiming they developed you 😔 Chei see local reasoning.

No club can legally pay a coach and no cischcan legally demand a development fee.

However the legal entity Agent and or local academy can decide to distribute thr money according to their own non sanctioned FIFA agreement once the money has been paid.

If you like believe this balderdash.

TheGoodJoe:

I think you meant QUIET. By the way, this is coming from someone who had no idea about developmental fees. You have been exposed multiple times here. You did not even know trainee coaches do thesis and thought it was just a simple multiple choice question test.

Now you want to claim substantive knowledge.

Abeggi.

We are talking of things I knew decades ago here.

Thank you I will not keep QUIET 🤐

There are many ways to become a football ⚽ coach and each club will have it's own requirements .

Now you are exposing your deep seated ignorance.

TheGoodJoe:
LOL.

Hope you know the same Emmanuel Amunike has been a member of multiple FIFA and CAF technical committees and knows the rule miles more than you.

Go and research development fees.

You have no Idea.

Arsenal is bound by FIFA regulations and will make payment to one authorised entity. How that entity decides to distribute the money is entirely up to them.

villagereporter:
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I want to ask in a lay man's language. Did Amunike and d coaching crew collected Development Fee on all d players signed after d world cup.

Can fifa rules that back it up be quoted, like in the Article A of the FIFA rule............ blah blah.

Finally if there is/are no regulation(s) that back up dat Development Fee, then it is a serious indictment on Amunike and we need him not near the SE

Agreed 💯

Kog45:
Oga kokmne you be Elder here o,pls always strict to football and forget these thieving APC,PDP and LP cuz last election was pure tribal and all parties are involved…imagine Tinubu got 75% from his region,Obi got 90% from his region and Atiku got 65% from his side,even Kwakwaso got 70% from his state.

Nigeria politics is a politics of division,hatred and manipulations and is for people who believed so much in cheating and only way out is me and you,nobody else.

Imagine people are still voting for two cancerous parties(APC and PDP)despite the suffering.

Bro I was in Lagos, not in the high brow of Ikoyi or Banana island but Ajah. So I am on ground level.

I watched the wide scale premeditated open season broad daylight rigging in the Election. Then add the disenfranchised voters that were denied access by an army of well orchestrated thugs with the support of the police 🚓.

South South voted for Peter Obi in mass although Wike truncated the process in Rivers blatantly.They are not his region.

But let's leave that, your votes don't count and even more so now. Every institution that is supposed to be a check ✔️ and balance ⚖️. Has been totally compromised.

TheGoodJoe:
Crook ke.

A man developed a player for about four years and he is a crook because the academy included his name for developmental fee which is usual for those who helped develop a player. Please be logical.

Sometimes it's better to keep QUITE and people may assume you have substantive knowledge. But I'm talking you are exposing your completely lack of knowledge.

You are using Aba market methodology to reason the structure and legal framework that governs Football.

Na wah🤐🤐🤐🤐

Kog45:
Taiwo Awoniyi is down to earth boy just like Osimhen,not a big deal if kokmne know him wella cuz he is accessible and easy to relate with due to his background.

During vacation we met in his parents new house in Tanke area Ilorin which is not far from where i built my house and see how old friends Dey enter Dey go….fact the boy Dey enter local buka go eat and a must for him to visit his childhood area in Agbo Oba daily cuz na there he Dey feel at home not even GRA in Tanke.

So knowing Awoniyi not a big deal,in fact he will like to relate with kokmne being a Nigerian and learn more about UK from Egbon kokmne.

I will add sometime else he is ,Sold out for Christ, he is not just a Church goer. His humility enables him to learn and improve all the time.

Quite spoken and very respectful.

I knew him when he was at Liverpool.

superbloke:
While I understand your point, my point is that VO is not someone who will just go there and expect things to just go his way. He is very adaptable and trust me, if he realizes there something he needs to improve for him to become more relevant in his team, he will do it. You can not tell me with the skills and abilities he already possesses, he will not be useful to the team. Less skillful players have played or are playing in Arsenal and heaven has not fallen.

Arsenal don't necessarily have a point man maybe because they don't have anyone who can play that role effectively. Man City were essentially the same way before Haaland came. If Arsenal or PSG decide to go for him, it is because he has what they want. They are not buying him to see and assess if he has what they want. If their scouts and managers say he does, why should we question them for that decision?

By the way, you didn't answer my question. If VO were to leave Napoli at the end of the season, which team do you think would be best for him considering his abilities and skills as you've stated?

Very simple a team that will him the center point of activity a quintessential number 9.

If Kane leaves Bayern as it is rumoured I would say Bayern Munich.

mostob:
This is a two-way question. There are lot of bonuses and commissions attached to a player's transfer. From what I heard and read, parents do benefit from their son's transfer depending on the negotiation. So if the player's agent decides to add the coach among the beneficiaries of these bonuses and commissions, I don't think it is wrong. In this scenario, I think it's a gift.

However if the team coach engaged in something shady in order to have a share of the transfer fee, that is unethical.

Dude stop 🛑 being naive and using Nigeria corruption morality to.justify what cannot be justified.

AndSunGorilla:
My answer is NO. I dont think it's ethical and also I think Westerhoff also did it and that doesn’t make it right.

It's a breach of the FIFA rules and criminally illegal.

Danielnino00:
You don't have any shame.... see all the energy you're using to criticize a young man who is just trying to earn a living from his sweat. Meanwhile, some of the innit boys that you tried to force down our throat (who you ironically used to boast are better than some of our homegrown players) aren't doing any better for themselves. Ejaria and Josh Onomah for instance are club-less.. Fred Onyedima barely plays at Luton.. Dominic Iorfa is still languishing in the lower division of English football.. If their career gets better now, you will not let us rest with epistle of how you ate akpu and egusi soup with their families and how well you know them..

Hate is an irrational sentiment most times prejudice as well. With regards to yourself your dislike and negative bias have blinded your reasoning and befuddled your brain.

You are having too much bitter leaf 🌿🌿 soup 🍲 with stale fish and contaminated Kpomo. Please change what you are eating, I would recommend Edikang Ikong ( goat 🐐 meat and okporoko) is best, with pounded yam.

Oviemuno Ejaria
Josh Onomah
Fred Onyedinma
Dominic Iorfa

First of all I haven't asked or recommended any of these players above as current prospects for the SE in some cases for over 4 years. So what exactly is your point ❓

When a player is not performing you move on and you look for those who are. You don't hold on to delusional
nostalgic Idea that they are exceptional and very good when they are simply NOT AT ALL.

But what we have here is a continuous haranguing day in day out week after week year after year about Nwakali, exceptional talent, best midfield incredible long ball passing, etc . He is dead on arrival and had been for over 7 years, he hit his peak in youth football ⚽ U17, 8 years ago.

And you are calling me biased, a big black 🖤 pot calling the kettle 🐈‍⬛ black. You are a bigoted hypocrite.

You are shameless , muddying the waters with evasion tactics, irrelevant generalisations and no specifics. Look at the nonsensical proposition you are making in bold. Be specific stop 🛑 ranting like a woman ♀️ scorned.

You responded to my view on Nwakali, so let's make the comparison with Nwakali.

If all these players were in the Portuguese league they would be in the top teams. Not in the cemetery 🪦 of relegation with Chavez FC earnings peanuts 🥜.

You are telling bare faced Lies.

Dominic is playing for Sheffield Wednesday in the Championship 🏆 not in the lower division of English football ⚽. He earns 10 times more than Nwakali.

Fred Onyedinma was sent to revive his injury prone career with Rotherham after 16 game's two goals two assists he is injured again. And back to Luton he is on £20K a week.

Josh Onomah has no club but if he went to the Portuguese league he would be a baller. He has earned over £8 million in wages in his short career so far. With shrewd investment he is still rolling in💷💷💷 without working.

Oviemuno Ejaria had just been too petulant and contentious and has earned himself a bad reputation as a trouble maker. Once again too much money in the bank 🏦 to go and play for peanut in a dead poorly paid league in Europe. If he was in Portugal he would be like Pogba.

So what exactly is Nwakali doing better than these players you mentioned please don't deviate ❓❓

Napoleon55:
U supposed to have forgotten about the money and leave the boy alone.

I absolutely don't reap where I did not sow.

Toylove:
Please sir do you mean you know Awoniyi personally?

He is not my friend but I've met him on several occasions talked with and know him, I do not have his phone number.

TheGoodJoe:

Go and research about it. There have been numerous court cases about this, where other people believe they suppose to get a part of the developmental fees because of the role they played in the player's growth.

Belief does not equate to legal entitlement and or proprietary interest.

You are talking completely out of 🤔🤔🤔🤔

superbloke:
I don't really get the part of your comment in bold. Which team do you think will be best for him? It's not like his team mates are all playing solely for him where he is now, and he is still their most important best player. If anything, PSG or Arsenal will be the best place for him to learn and develop the attributes you say he lacks. I think anywhere he decides to go, he is one person who will put in everything to adapt to whatever is required for him to succeed. We saw as much in Afcon where he was able to adapt and use his other abilities to help his team win.

If you could spend 20 minutes in Arsenal academy you would understand.

Sorry when you spend £100 million on a player he is coming with expectation to hit the ground running and have immediate impact. He is the finished article nothing missing.

He is not coming to learn and develop he is coming as the finished article. All his learning should have been done at the academy in his teens.

While he is learning academy boys will overtake you with your huge price tag and make you incompetent. Ask Pepe how he felt when 16 year old Saka benched him.

You may heard of Nwaneri and Obi ( 16) scored 10 goals against Liverpool in a U16 game.

The Arsenal team plays a game of extreme technical proficiency, with deft seamless player interchange. That is not VO best game if you ask me.

In Napoli he is still the point man the quintessential number 9. His team mates may not always support him but that's the core strategy of Napoli.

Arsenal will ABSOLUTELY not change their strategy and style to suit VO.

TheGoodJoe:

You are supposed to be enlightened about transfers. The report said clearly that his name was put in there, and this was after the tournament. It was not godfatherism to play the player.

This was a talented player identified at a tender age by the Nigerian coaching crew and nurtured for over three years.

Groomed you mean

TheGoodJoe:
Coaches always, especially, if they are actively involved in the development of the players. It comes in the contract from the clubs. 5% of the transfer fee is for development history. It is called Development fee. Kelechi Nwakali's academy put Emmanuel Amunike's name, because he played an active role in the development, to share it with the coaches.

It is very normal.

It's illegal 😮

You are employed as an individual coach and paid a salary, context is the NFF .

If you are coaching in Arsenal, Liverpool, etc or in any professional football team in Europe you are paid to coach PERIOD. My context is Europe 🌎.

The club as a corporate entity NOT THE INDIVIDUAL is entitled to a development fee that's why compensation is paid to clubs when they leave at youth level.

Liverpool paid compensation fee to Chelsea for Solanke and Juventus for Pogba particularly when no contract is in current existence. If there is contract it will be negotiation between club's.

When you have an agent in principle agent is entitled to 5% of transfer fee and player 10% but with negotiationd it can be increased.

I will give you some leeway, Nigeria has a way of doing things making convention from ILLEGALITY. However,what you are describing is totally outlawed by FIFA and therefore ILLEGAL.

largeman4u:
Largeman Motors

Is TOYOTA the only car sold in Nigeria

phransix2:
Sometimes I go just dey reason... Just look at
1. Tompolo
2. Boyloaf
3. Asari Dokubo
4. Ayiri
5. Igboho
6. Mc Oluomo
7. Kabaka
8. Ateke Tom
9. Gen. Shoot at sight

And so on... Even with my degrees, hustle and clean records I no get tithe of their net worth...

In Nigeria crime pays even public looting of funds pays , very soon Alison-Madueke, will return to national award for service to the nation.

TheGoodJoe:

I never saw anything wrong in a coach helping the development of players, as long as the players are good quality and the coach is fair. Weaterhof had big say in the transfer of players to the best of my knowledge.

Mourinho played a huge role in the transfer of Carvalho, Bosingwa, Paulo Ferreira to Chelsea
Just as he had a hand in Rui Patricio going to Roma.

As long as the coach is fair. Amunike played a big part in the development of Kelechi Nwakali, he already spotted him two years before the U17. The young man ended up as the best player of the competition.

This is bare faced manipulation shameless fraud and corruption. As well as a breach of trust.

No coach has the right to demand one penny from any players he coached. Amuneke was employed by the NFF and being paid to coach, not extort and exploit and enslave young boys trying to make it in football ⚽.

We have always known that Godfatherism exists in the NFF and wide scale ⚖️ corruption. It means people will be selected not by MERIT but allegiance based on personal financial gain of NFF officials. It's a national shame.

He should be in jail and banned for life from any football related endeavour.

You want to excuse the inexcusable, you are part of the Nigerian problem.

Napoleon55:
They share the money,but Komkn no get m own cut,that's why he dey vex for Nwakali since.

Money that was shared almost a decade ago you are talking about 🙈🙈🙈

maidaboi:
e shock you that nobody came for him ba? Cos we know he is sincere not like you 😂😂😂

He who KNOWS not and knows that he KNOWS not is wise, but he who knows not but thinks he knows 😞 is a FOOL.

Everybody is essentially anonymous and you think 🤔 you know what is in their minds. You are delusional.

Napoleon55:
No,all I see is extreme bitterness,hostility,animosity and acrimony in ur heart for these young boys
because of their heroic back to back world conquest.

Since then,your life has never being the same,
anytime any of the back to back U-17 world cup winning squad is mentioned,u rush out with your odium and venom.
Nwakali being your chief target.

Avoid the plain truth and in the absence of anything else to say appeal to your 🌑 deep bitterness, prejudices. You sound like a recycled Nigerian politician with nothing else to offer but creatr Division with TRIBALISM you must be in APC.

By the way Awoniyi I know and even encouraged, l guess he played for England U17.

Amedino99:
don't you think the reason goals come from everyone is because they don't have a pure 9? The strikers are not good enough so the goal scoring burden falls on everyone else in the team. Nketiah has not shown to be good enough to lead and the less said about Jesus the better. He will fit right in.

This should answer your question in real time 6-0 and 10+ minutes to go and 6 different goal 🥅 scorers this is a COMPLETE team.

Modification Arsenal have now scored more goals than any other team in the EPL this season.

mrwilliams9:
lol

Just constructive criticism. I watched all of Osimhen’s games in his Scudetto winning season and these same issues have been here. The offside awareness is probably the biggest thing he needs to improve. I actually think going to PSG might help him as they have better coaches than Napoli and Enrique is good with getting more out of attacking players.

VO is VO Every player will have his unique attributes and sometimes singular QUALITY.

There is no player I have seen like VO , he plays football ⚽ like a man possessed, he is filled with a blind all consuming rage to win to succeed. He is relentless focused and with blistering pace he is a killer striker. There is nobody like him in the world 🌍 IMO. These attributes cannot be coached, he jumps higher than most, he refuses to be beaten. Life has made him like this not coaching.

Its possible to overcome a stronger and more skillful opponents just with sheer obsessive determination. That for me is VO.

He needs a team to make him the center point of all action. He is not a players filled with trickery, deft touches, finesse, and skill. Like say Benzema and or say Ronaldo.

Will PSG with their collection of world stars look up to VO and play for him . They did not do it for Messi, then they will certainly not do it for VO.

TheSuperNerd:
Over 7 years of saying the same old rubbish garnished with your pseudointellectual sesquipedalianism.

REST IJN!!!!

Welcome back Numero uno, Supremo Delusional.

It's obvious 🤔 you are still asleep or maybe something deeper coma.

Dude has been in the Segunda Division for four seasons of extreme mediocrity. How low can you go❓Heusca tried to offload him for €300k but nobody wanted him in the entire Segunda, I guess he was too good for the league.

The entire network of coaches, analysts, recruitment heads,scouts, etc after four seasons could not 🙈 him , l guess they were all blind because you seem to be the only one with eyes 👀👀 to see him .

Huesca were so desperate to get rid of him they even illegally terminated his contract prematurely. I guess he was too expensive 😞. So Ponferridina picked him up for nothing and made him the second to the last lowest paid player In the club , why ❓

He has left the relegation Ponferridina from one sinking dead ship 🚢 to another anchored ⚓ permanently in the Portuguese league one relegation zone , Chavez FC.

If you wanted to create a CV for abysmal MEDIOCRITY in football this would be it.

Tell me Dr 2 know one thing I have said here that is not TRUE. But then that is a waste of time your too far gone on the delusional highway to nowhere.

TheSuperNerd:
It's a good thing the NFF also seem to be leaning towards Amuneke. I read pre contract talks have been held with him so that is good news. I hope it materialises into an appointment.

Fact is TheGoodJoe is right. He is indeed the best among our local options from tactical and pedigree points of view.

No he ABSOLUTELY not.

That's a conceited view from a parochial mind.

My preference would be George Finidi, l know him as a person of integrity, experiential high level competency not the assumption of capacity by theory.

TheGoodJoe:
No tactical contribution in this.

We are talking about an individual player and a very poor one at that.

Playing in the worst team in the Portuguese league with a permanent base in the relegation zone. A player who could not get into Porto B team and claim position.

You are now trying to give top level class attributes.

If he was any good he would not have spent 8 years in Europe in complete mediocrity.

Amedino99:
don't you think the reason goals come from everyone is because they don't have a pure 9? The strikers are not good enough so the goal scoring burden falls on everyone else in the team. Nketiah has not shown to be good enough to lead and the less said about Jesus the better. He will fit right in.

Actually it's the way modern football is evolving.

There was a time we use to have a quintessential playmaker in the No.10. Now the best teams have literally 3 numbers 10 interchanging

Let's look at the three top teams in the EPL for ease of explanation.

Goals 🥅 scored by Arsenal are the same as Manchester city and only two less than Liverpool.

Arsenal are scoring goals from all over the same goes for Liverpool. Manchester city have Haaland but Look who scored two yesterday Foden.

Manchester city play like they have 3/4 number 10's apart from Walker ( speed king) everybody is technically astute the game. The passing wizadry and movement plus first touch astounding.

Liverpool have a similar situation no outstanding quintessential number 9.

Kog45:
Chelsea or PSG but I want him in EPL.

Chelsea is a team in transition still trying to find their way.

They will absolutely not change the way they play to accommodate him. There are many egos there he is not going to be the big fish 🐟 there.

And the transition to EPL will not be smooth, the only consolation is that even if doesn't live up to expectations Chelsea fans are use to spending big money 🤑 without any better return.

As a result he will not be crucified just criticised while he gets a big pay packet.

lbrichman2:
Never disappoints
😅

Neither do you .

You are like a bull 🐂 to a red flag 🟥