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Goke7:
and 7 years to you is still a sprint? what a contradiction! At this point, it's obvious to everyone that you're confused. The more you talk about this player the more you're confirming his exceptionalism. English is just your problem. You're expecting him to be Methuselah before he can convince you he's world-class. Kotinu

Context is a good word it helps you to comprehend.

The phrase, " You said, so quickly it's taken him"

And I am saying essentially it was not a a sprint for him 😔 but in his case a relentless, blood sweat and tears of painstaking hard work and singular determination, the mental resilience astounding. To get to where he is among the top performers in football.

However, if I was to compare VO to say Haaland and Mbappe they literally sprinted to become world 🌎 class.

You still don't appreciate my perspective, which is very simple, CONSISTENTLY BEING AT THE VERY TOP over a period not just one season to be world 🌍 class IMO.

You don't have to agree with me.

Danielnino00:
"Football is a marathon not a sprint". Ironically, this same guy is fond of using the phrase "football is a short term career".
He isn't just confused... he must be doing weed, cus it doesn't make sense for a grown up adult with such exposure as his to use different metrics, criteria, theory and condition on different players just because he prefers the English born players...

There is an English word used to qualify words and statements it's called CONTEXT use it.

Jackson105:
Must you always be bitter and criticise everything?

The TRUTH will set you free.

Do you know process for judges selection if you did you would not say what you are saying now.

He has spoken essentially the truth that everyone knows and yes the truth is BITTER 🌿

Danielnino00:
That guy and his hypocrisy..
There waa a time he used to rubbish the Turkish league especially when we used to call up players from there, but the moment one of his innit boys, Fisayo Dele-Bashiru moved there, he stopped criticizing the league and clamoured for Bashiru's invitation.. ironically, he bragged that Bashiru was headed to AC Milan until they guy carry am handicap anf ended up in Turkey

It is generally low level league 😕 I haven't changed.

However, there are some outstanding players there, very simple.

Stating the facts is not bragging, Fisayo playing for league one Sheffield Wednesday refused to renew his contract and generated bids not just interest from Championship, EPL and other clubs from Europe.

He settled for the money 🤑 and went to Turkey, in that poor league he is still generating interest. I wonder why 🧐

Goke7:
Osi came at a time most have given up we will ever have a Nigerian player up there again. it looks too unbelievable to many that such a player could rise to the ranks so quickly. I mean it was looking as if No Nigerian could never win APOTY again, that's how we have fallen so badly even within Africa, even at Lille, the guy was delivering and he continued in Italy, which European league will he not excel in, and yet someone thinks he's not world-class. Some people have problem o, they say seeing is believing but in Osi matter, the player may need to die and resurrect before they can believe.

You are being too fanatical and loosing all sense of rationality in an emotive roller 🎢 coaster.

When I call Mbappe world class it's because he has been top of the scoring charts in the French league for the past 5 years plus that's astounding consistency in addition he does it for France in every competition.

Essentially VO has had one break out season where he got the golden boot, absolutely fabulous. Does it make him world 🌎 class to me No, but Yes on the journey to getting being world class.

He had two good seasons at Seria A not exceptional, he had another good season in French league and a good one in Belgium league.

You said so quickly it's taken him , I would not say that. My view it's taken him almost 7 years to get to this level, throughout sheer hard work relentless determination and through injury as well. That level being highest goal scorer in Seria A last season.

Football ⚽ is a marathon not just a sprint. Remaining at the top is even harder than getting there.

Mujtahida:
If he were from Ghana, komekn the bitterleaf specialist would have been full of praises for him.

You never talk specifics just self birthed opinionated prejudice.

Are you saying I have not praised VO❓

Just not in the same over the top over hyped FANATICAL way you do . That doesn't mean dislike or HATE as many here will like to call it .

Tell me on player from Ghana I have over praised not two just one please ❓

Princezibk:
Wooooow ! It’s extraordinary!!

Including FIFA Top 🔝 10 best ⚽️

If he were to be an English or Brazilian ehnn ,,, They would have said god of soccer ⚽️ has resurrected 🤣🤣

The basis for national team selection is consistent outstanding top level performance in club and league.

But being WORLD 🌎 CLASS that's a different matrix.

Princezibk:
Means he’s lifting the League Trophy 🏆 with Inter 💃💃,,,

Our players dey haaawt! Thank you God 👏🏽

Recall when Tammy , Jordan Ibe and co we’re feeling like gods , now we have massive talents in abundance and many still springing up around Europe 🤣🤣

What makes it sweeter is our home growns are doing far better than many of them that rejected 🙅🏼‍♀️ us

You are retrogressive.

One has NEVER EVER wanted to play for Nigeria even at the peak of his short lived career.

chrisooblog:
The bold never stopped you when he was scoring and doing well then why pretend it's an issue now?

Can you be specific, stop me from what exactly and when .❓❓

chrisooblog:
Emenike too was an AFCON winning top goal scorer but nobody started crying or creating agenda when he left the stage for other players.

You are trying to compare light 🕯️ with darkness 🌑.

Can you be reasonable please.

Emenike was great in AFCON 2013 he was 25 but after that he fizzled out completely like car with blown head gasket. It was one level of MEDIOCRITY to another level he regressed so badly .

To think he is only 36 now and he is totally finished in football ⚽.

IGHALO has continuously performed has not regressed, just followed the big 🤑🤑🤑 sign.

jieta:
Ighalo is world class, osihmen is also a world class. If you don't see osihmen as world class the world see him as such, some body that is rated 8 in ballor d 'or and won aftican player of the year is not a world class but kane who has consistently score useless goal that did not won him a single trophy is world class.

It's high time you post your own definition of world class so that we can see which player fall into such definition

You are delusional.

IGHALO is very good but world class a resounding big capital NO.

Your blind prejudice makes you leap before you look 👀👀

I have been intrinsically clear with what I describe as world class.

Kane had been a top goal scorer in the EPL for near a decade, winning the golden boot on three occasions.

He then leaves the Tottenham in the EPL and he goes to Bayern Munich in the Bundesliga. He is now on 27 goals from 23 games that's simply incredible.

Look at somebody reasoning🤔

chrisooblog:
Haba you yourself said Saudi Arabia na! how can you compare it to Italy?

And before you attempt in your usual (un)subtle way attempt to down play Serie A note Italian teams have of recent been getting to finals of European competition so abort that agenda before you even born am.

I am talking about IGHALO not the Saudi league as such. The once AFCON top goal scorer ,he is on the same number of goals as Benzema with less games.

chrisooblog:
If it was Tammy Abraham posting such stats Komekn would have been boring everyone nearly to death how good he is

When was the last time I talked about Tega Abraham who incidentally can never play for Nigeria.❓

chrisooblog:
Haba you yourself said Saudi Arabia na! how can you compare it to Italy?

And before you attempt in your usual (un)subtle way attempt to down play Serie A note Italian teams have of recent been getting to finals of European competition so abort that agenda before you even born am.

What I'm essentially saying why is nonody talking about IGHALO.

There is more justification for Ighalo to be in the squad than Musa ( cheer leader)

akwesenana:
Ighalo scores!

Consistently scoring in Saudi league, why can't we call him world class

Danielnino00:
Osimhen at club level has 107 goals and 27 assists in 211 games in addition to having a Serie A title, Serie A golden boot and Serie A player of the year under his belt..... If that isn't enough for you to label him world class, then you're just hating.. bad belle, full stop!

Go and get a bottle of coke 🍾with a smile , you are getting agitated and all fired up with rage 😡😡.

But why 🤔

It really depends on what unit of measurement will you use to decide world class.For me it's one word CONSISTENCY over time.

When I say Kane, Lewondoski, Mbappe, Ronaldo, Haaland, Salah, Messi, Lukaku, are WORLD 🌎 CLASS what you will notice is CONSISTENCY. These players have been at the top of the goal scoring charts for some over a decade.

VO is an absolute excellent player in what he does with a unique skill set. However, last season 2022/23 after three seasons in Seria A he was the golden boot winner. He did not do that in the Belgium, Bundesliga and French league one.

Now that he has achieved this outstanding accolade the real test is to do it again or at least stay in the top 5. To prove the consistency of world class top quality,it has to be done , in this season and the coming seasons.

Without prejudice I would not call him world 🌎 class yet. He is getting there but has not arrived. Unfortunately this season if he can get to the top 5 that would be outstanding to prove he is truly world class.

Would you call call Martinez, Dusan Vlahovic, Giroud world class ❓

Bannedlargedx2:
He actually has to win a tournament for the super eagles to be considered the Goat. Don’t deceive yourself. It seems like we have created different rules for SE players. Ighalo scored 5 ANC goals and was chased out of SE but when it comes to other players, expectations is different and you will be gas lighted for highlighting any of their weaknesses

Thank you

There is obsessive delusional syndrome where some players are concerned. There can be no questions ⁉️no criticism or comparison 😲

olumzzz:
None.
They're shite

Some people have a Toyota delusional obsession that says to them there is only one car available that's good and reliable Toyota

Goke7:
Drogba never won the afcon for CIV and in all the times Drogba played in the World Cup, CIV never went past the first round, now does that reduces the legendary status of Drogba?

He won African player of the year twice and the golden boot twice in the EPL at one stage scoring 29 Goals from 32 games.

Bannedlargedx2:
One thing for sure, he earned and deserved that 2023 APOY

Agreed 💯% without question ⁉️✔️✔️

However, the true test of quality is CONSISTENCY the ability to replicate outstanding top quality performances week in week out.

What makes Kane, Lewondoski, Mbappe, Benzema, Messi, Ronaldo true world 🌎 class is they do it year in year out.

The same thing goes for top clubs the ability to be top of the game season after season. Like Bayern M (fallen off this season) , Manchester City, Madrid, Liverpool, Barcelona, etc

MetalJigsaw:
You have no single point in all this you just put down. All I see is envy.

You think a striper always has to score before he wins you a game

Just imagine Osimhen didn't play against CIV do you see us winning that match? In fact remove him from the whole squad, do you see us even making it out of the group? Or didn't you watch the Afcon?

By the way, which Osimhen were you even talking about in your first sentence?

You will NEVER know because Terem Moffi was never given a chance to show what he can do.

daveP:
Okaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy.

Now I'm curious about who said it died. Make i brock Lesnar the person.

The art of dribbling has become more intelligent and much more end 🔚 product centred as well as strategic.

When I look at Manchester City it's like looking at a team with several highly skilled number 10's ,there is continuous interchange of positions and formations.

Albeit with greater emphasis on number 9 depending on the circumstances, they change with the game and opponents.

So we even noticed the traditional number 9 quintessential striker is no longer central to some teams and or the numbers 9️⃣ adapts to changes and strategy making him very fluid. I see this in Arsenal and Liverpool.

The art of dribbling has not died it just got BETTER.

COOL10:
They kept insulting him even when they knew he was being played out of position in a defensive setup.

All he needs to do now is to stay focused, continue ignoring those toxic bastards and watch himself shine gloriously, just like he did today. Haters will always hate 🤷🏾‍♂️🙂. That's their position in life.

Iwobi and Bassey have flogged Manchester United in their living room at home 😲

Goke7:
You have personal issues with Oshimen so you can easily agree with Steve, ok? So why bother myself

You are prejudiced 🤔 and negatively BIASED to the point you are unable to reason.

I asked the contributor to state what Steve McManamum said that he completely dismissed as emotive rumblings.

So we can analyse and balance matters objectively ,there is no player that cannot improve. You need criticism to improve not undue praises and hype.

Amedino99:
footballers are supposed to be versatile does not mean that pep will play Bernardo Silva or kdb in the dm position whenever rodri is out. Anguissaa is primarily a DM. Iwobi plays more as a cm, am or winger. He does not play as a dm. They are not like for like replacement.

Fulham played Iwobi and Anguissa in the same positions.

You said they play different positions you were VERY SPECIFIC and what I am saying doesn't make sense.

What has Pep got to with that .

So who doesn't make sense ❓ You presented a self birthed opinion based on thin air. I have proven it to be totally wrong and you are EVADING.

TheGoodJoe:
Our problem is playing negative football and selecting players to play that way. Not death of dribbling.

Now you don't have a player jollification to the crowd when a team mate is in a clear position to score.

As for the 10 role, now we have the 10s contributing more offensively. Look at City with Alvarez, Grealish, De Bruyne, Foden, and Bernardo Silva. These are all 10s but in today's game, they work offensively than seating deep for praises.

Agreed without question

It's essentially skill with purpose and outcome delivery not entertainment for the crowd with no end product.

maidaboi:
Nacho not in match day squad for Leicester

I did not see Ndidi as well ,is he injured ❓

The Championship 🏆 is a gruelling physically draining and taxing marathon not a sprint.

I really thought Leicester would have automatic promotion but loosing two games in succession is shaking that assumption terribly.


They play QPR almost certain they should win but the next games will be challenging, the Championship can be very competitive.

MetalJigsaw:
FACTS ABOUT AFRICAN FOOTBALL

1. Nigeria has produced more world class players than any other Nation in Africa

2. Cameroon has produced more African player of the Year winners than any other Nation in Africa

3. Egypt has won more Afcon Titles than any other Nation in Africa

4. Nigeria has won more trophies than any other african nation (All trophies combined starting from Men football, women football and Junior levels)

5. Liberia remains the only African country to produce A Balon d'or Winner

6. Jay Jay Okocha remains the most skillful African footballer of all time

7. Samuel Eto'o remains the most decorated African footballer

8. Kalusha Bwalya remains the best left footer of all time in Africa and best free kick taker

9. Ghana and Nigeria rivalry is the most fierce rivalry in Africa

10. Yaya Toure is African all time best Midfielder

11. Samuel Eto'o is African all time best striker

12. South Africa is not a footballing nation they only have infrastructure

13. Ghana has not won afcon for over 40 Years but still regarded one of Africa's power house nations

14. Egypt is the most dominant national team in Afcon Tournaments

15. Morocco, Ghana, Senegal, Cameroon are the top 4 national teams who have done well at Fifa World Cups.

16. Zambia Tops Southern Africa

17. Egypt tops Northern Africa

18. Cameroon Tops central Africa

19. Nigeria Tops West Africa

20. There is no Football in East Africa

21. Zambia remains the only power house nation not to have qualified to the men's Fifa World Cup

22. Ghana is the only African country to have won the Under 20 World Cup

23. Mali remains the only power house nation not to have won the Afcon

24. South African football only lasted for less than 10 years (1996 to 2002)

25. South Africa remains the only African country to have hosted the World Cup

26. Kalusha Bwalya remains the only Southern African player to have won African player of the year Award

Culled from Facebook

Please name the world 🌍 class players Nigeria has produced. And what is your criteria for world class.

For instance JJ Okocha is one of the most skilful players I've ever seen. But 84 games for PSG in French league one and 12 goals as well as 124 games in the EPL and 14 goals. Is that why me never got African footballer of the year ❓

Manchester city K. De Bruyne, is not as skilful as JJ but then considering the insane amount of assists who is more effective and better. In all honesty my heart ❤️ and eyes 👀 are for JJAY but my head 🗣️ is for K. De Bruyne.

What's your view

Goke7:
I watched the studio analysis where he said this, that's typical Brits for you, na their way, raising the bar unecessarily when it's not warranted.

If Osimhen didn't score that night, I wonder what he would have said. phew

Believe it or not I actually know Steve, we are not friends he has played at the highest levels and probably one of England's most skilful players in his era.

You have dismissed entirely everything he has said as emotional rumblings. Would it not be better to state his rational reasoning and appraise it then counter attacks with your own objective fact based analysis.

But you just dismissed everything, that's not a wisdom.

The criticism of my enemy makes me prepared for battle.

Amedino99:
your statement doesn't make sense because they don't even play the same position. Anguissa played more as a dm for Fulham while iwobi plays higher in the field.

Why doesn't it make sense to you❓

Both are midfielders and football ⚽ is not played inside a "straight jacket" complete footballers are versatile and adaptable.

As a consequence a complete midfielder will play a variety of roles as the manager deems fit. One game your DM another you are AM and another you are CM.

Iwobi has quite often played as a RW but he is some would say essentially AM/CM. For instance, l ABSOLUTELY believe Aina could play a number of roles midfield, simply because he is complete footballer IMO.

Below screen shots of Anguissa and Iwobi in Fulham the context of the discourse, showing both players playing essentially the same role.

comodo:
I just read where he said that Fulham threw away Anguissa and bought Iwobi. The same Anguissa in Napoli. Please help me ask him if Fulham is bigger than Napoli also? Because that's what his write up signifies.

I can not legislate for your self birthed deductions

Fulham got rid of Anguissa but decided to go for Iwobi,what did they see that you cannot


I really don't know what club is bigger and by what matrix you arrived at that opinion.

My statement is intrinsically clear , it should make you think 🤔 about the actions of Fulham. They rejected Anguissa and accepted Iwobi, what did they see that you cannot it's very simple.

But you have TOTALLY misconstrued the non opinion based statement.

Mujtahida:
Innit boys. If na Brentford dey play you will not look forward to seeing Frank the tank

No probably would not , I prefer to watch technically proficient and skillful players who consistently create wow 😳 moments in the game.

And I don't spend my time concentrating entirely on Nigerian players. I watch Toney with excited anticipation.

Dude was suspended for 8 months from all football ⚽ activity, was literally in solitary confinement,not even allowed to train with any team mates or you use the club facilities.

It's astounding after 8 months comes back and has scored 4 goals in the EPL in 6 games.

So if you think that means I hate Frank your tank, that's your RETROGRESSION based opinion.

When I watch Crystal palace I get excited watching Eze and Olise because they create continuously big Wow 🙀 moments in the game.