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asha 80:Here is the quote from the article by the original poster: Mbu, who many also regarded as Tafawa Balewa’s de-facto foreign minister, was ironically sent out to India for a State funeral by the Prime Minister, only hours before the coup. He had warned the late Prime Minister of an impending coup just days earlier. |
This analogy falls short. The story doesn't need any analogy. Ashtmatic patients get ashtma attacks when under severe stress. The rest of the story follows. The fact is it doesn't matter - even if he died of other unexplained causes, except that he was under the coupists' control, [size=14pt]they i.e. the coupists are fully and wholly responsible for his death[/size]. Any additions just makes their error more grave. Andre Uweh: |
He did make clear that he was only relating third parth hearsay. He said that Balewa sent him on a foreign trip only the night before or so, and the he had warned him of an impending coup. So, he was not in the country at the time, and this story was told to him by Chris Okigbo, who allegedly learned it from Ifeajuna himself. Eziachi: |
supereagle:But what he wrote are not all jokes. You might have missed it, but someone from a university in Texas recently came out with the result of a "22" or so year research with the outcome that Nzeogwu was an "Hausa" boy - effectively disowning him as Igbo. Guess how some people sunk their teeth into that lie as well. This is where the story is going: 1) Nzeogwu is Hausa, not Igbo; 2) The coupists were going to hand over to Awo; 3) The coupists did not kill Balewa. It is an attempt to repaint the appearance of the coup of 1966 as an Igbo coup - at least it was seen in the north as such, hence the reprisals months later. History is history, those who attempt to insert Appendices into it will only hurt themselves - what we need to do is look at the unvarnished truth of our history and make tomorrow better than today. |
Onlytruth:Then you will never stop having problems with Yorubas. This "new" intention of the coupists is the biggest lie about the coup of 1966. Stop bringing Awo into the coup - if anybody accepts this initial lie, the next thing would be that Awo sponsored the coup! The fact was that no part of the coup involved Awo - he was sitting in jail b/4, during and after the coup. All of a sudden somebody wants to insert an unholy Appendix to Nigerian history by claiming that Balewa was going to be taken to Awo so he could be forced to hand over to the latter. Balewa was already "forced to handover" as soon as he was arrested. Plus, if one were to believe this story, although a glaring lie, it suggests that the coup plotters were not as intelligent as claimed. Nchara:What is this everything you are kissing goodbye? |
You are right on one point - no politician has ever, and will ever, be completely clean. Fashola in Lagos has been accused of corruption, and I have no doubt that despite his better performance than most governors, some shady deals went down in Lagos - but there are no absolutes in politics. Heros are good for what we look up to them for, but if we dig deeper we will find some things that they said and did to be worthy of shame. That tells me that rather than pit one leader against the other or seek to tear down the good that any of them did in their lifetime we learn the lessons of their triumphs and their mistakes, and move on. It has often been said that one man's hero is another man's villain. As such, trying to convince me that my hero, who may happen to be your villain, is a villain is completely fruitless, and vice versa. We only need to identify where our common interests are and don't let our individual interests tear that down. If there is one thing Pa. Awo should not have done it was to go to the center as opposition - I'll rather he had continued his good works in the West and sent his assistants to the center for that purpose. In fact, it has been said that he was reluctant to do this, but was accused by some colleagues of not putting the West in the center of Nigerian politics - we now know where it all ended up. The same applies to those who can't manage their states today, but are complaining about the center. They need to combine whatever they get from the center with self-reliance to develop their part of the country. That is the only way to showcase their potential. Non-performers at the local or state level would always be non-performers at the center. Performers at the local or state level, may be performers at the center, but even that is not guarateed. I have not read a complete history of this period - so may be you are right, but I wonder under which party Herbert Macauly won elections in those early years? mens dept: |
Obiagu1:You are the ones imagining things by taking third party hearsay, provided to you 44 years later, as gospel truth - go back and count how many people had come out and say the story was truth. I grant you have a fertile imagination, but we are no mumus - leave Awo out of it! |
monkeyleg:It is not about the "best Nigeria can produce". No, our choices are between the rock and the hard place. I am interested in knowing who you think is better than Goodluck at this point. |
Obiagu1:No that would be the lie he was attempting to hide inside the loaf of twisted truth. Facts: 1. Soldiers, specifically Major Ifeajuna and co who arrested him, CAUSED PM Balewa's death - simply said they killed him. 2. Awolowo had nothing to do with the coup - not in foreknowledge and not in being part of the coupists' plans. It is amazing how gullible people can get when they have an objective in mind. How is it possible that a group of people would conduct a coup (risking life and limb) to install somebody that was siting in jail, yet he was still sitting in jail b/4, during and after the coup? Wonders shall never end. This is revisionist crap of the highest order. |
mistakay:It seems you are confused. Show us the link instead of pounding tables with your fist. You got both facts in your original post wrong. These are the facts: 1) ECA not Foreign reserve; 2) $7 billion not $27 billion; 3) Whoever you are working for would have done the same or even worse under the circumstances! |
This revisionist crap keeps coming - for what purpose I don't know. There are many things wrong with this story: 1. The coupists killed him period - whether they shot him or caused him to have an ashmatic attack is immaterial. 2. Please keep Pa. Awolowo out of it. If handing over to Awolowo was their real objective there is no need to be take PM Balewa to Awolowo for anything. Not for release, not for handing over - the coup would itself have a component specifically releasing Awo from jail and flying him to Lagos. They were already conducting a coup for God's sake, what need is there for Balewa to be "forced to handover". This roping in of Awolowo by hearsayists is convenient but egregious. We are no mumus you know, and all these lies continue to add to the deceit - just let it rest without roping yourself up each passing day. 3. If I were to summarize, the PM died before they reached his execution place, so there was no need to shoot him up, but Okotie-Eboh had to go the hard way. 4. So they left the PM's body there to rot - I will not say more than that. People need to figure out the implication of that for a Muslim! 5. This is third party hearsay: Ifeajuna - Okigbo - Mbu - NL. Take your teeth out of it, it is half-truth (worse than outright lie). omamokta: |
egift:Facts: GEJ did not share N4.05 trillion. The account was $20 billion when Yar'adua took over, it was around $7 billion when GEJ got there. |
Really there are two issues here. While keeping funds in the ECA may make sense, and the demands for it based on greedy corruption, there was also a real need begining in late 2008, when oil prices took a dive. The excesses of spending that went on under high oil prices could not be sustained on the regular budget - in fact they were already sharing money from the ECA under OBJ. The only problem was that the ECA was filling up faster than it was being drained - so nobody cared. Once oil prices nose-dived there was even greater need to drawdown that fund, while the replacement slowed down to trickles. Both OBJ & Yar'adua had no concrete policies to put this excess money to work for the Nigerian people other than use it to augment spending - OBJ spent $12 billion from it to pay down our national debt (that was very good). GEJ ESPECIALLY had no other choice than to spend it either. The governors smelled political blood in the water and took advantage of it - GEJ had to play this particular ball. HE IS NOT POLITICALLY NAIVE, and ANY OF THE CANDIDATES OUT THERE WOULD HAVE PLAYED THIS BALL AS WELL GIVEN THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES - politicians are not saints! What he has done now is to end that game by emptying the ECA completely, getting rid of it and setting up a SWF that nobody would be able to touch. If you followed the lifetime of the ECA you would see that the state governments went to court over its illegality and the REVENUE MOBILISATION ALLOCATION AND FISCAL COMMISSION (RMAFC)declared it illegal as well. Unfortunately for Nigeria the RMFAC is already saying that the SWF is also illegal Also, $5.3 billion of that fund was to be set aside for Electricity by Yar'adua (and the governors protested it as well), but nobody knows how that worked out. Gbawe: |
Clapping for myself loudly!!!!!!!!!!!! ![]() Seriously, no one is trying to discredit your post - just pointing out the fact that NL Igbos (note my careful use of NL) see any objection to anything Igbo as making you non-Igbo - it is the NL Igbo collective to use a Start-Trek term. Yes, you could be Igbo or any other mixture, which proves the point that using tribe as a yardstick in anything, while common, is really nonsensical. In any case, Komando has declared that you are a true son of Alaigbo. The contradiction I pointed out earlier is still in your reply. You said Awolowo served in an illegal regime, but you pulled up Fajuyi as example of greatness. Ah ah! Ironsi & Fajuyi WERE ARROWHEADS OF AN ILLEGAL REGIME. You guys keep contradicting each other. Komando, not koruji, wrote that Herbert Macaulay founded NCNC. Here are two accounts about Macaulay's parties: "Macaulay became very popular and on June 24, 1923, he founded the Nigerian National Democratic Party (NNDP), the first Nigerian political party. The party won all the seats in the elections of 1923, 1928 and 1933. In 1944 Macaulay founded the National Council of Nigeria and the Cameroons (NCNC) together with Nnamdi Azikiwe [6] and became its secretary general. The NCNC was a patriotic organization designed to bring together Nigerians of all stripes to demand independence.[7] In 1946 Macaulay fell ill in Kano and later died in Lagos. The leadership of the NCNC went to Azikiwe, who later became the first president of Nigeria." Anyone that reads what you guys write here on NL would never realize that NCNC was not directly founded by Zik, since all the statements are "Zik won seats", not "NCNC won seats". The fact was that Awo's party outlined a better vision for the Yorubas than any other party. Today, PDPD is the unquestionable national party, but they are again short on vision, hence Lagos is under the control of ACN and doing better than most. The same thing goes for other regions - it doesn't make them tribalists. I am not putting Fashola in the mode of AG, but in the mode of developmental vision shown by Awo. mens dept: |
komando.:Go sit down somewhere - you are the one who considered yourself all in all enough to call out somebody as "not too bright". I have being reading your posts that way for days - so you are welcome to write your post as you see fit. Just know that you are doing it wrong ![]() |
Get your facts right. 1. As Beaf said, the Excess Crude Account (ECA) and not Foreign reserve - big difference 2. The ECA was demanded by the owners, the different arms of government, and it was given to them - because they saw OBJ's creation of it as illegal 3. How many months has President GEJ spent in office - 4 months? 5 months? How did he blow the money in 8 months? 4. The amount at the begining of 2009 was $20 billion. Yar'adua had no choice but to distribute that money because of diving oil prices. 5. The only problem with the way GEJ allow what was left by the time he took office (way less than $20 billion) to be distributed is that he did not commit most of it to infrastructure. Still, the state governors were told to provide a list of "special" projects for which their shares would be spent. But we know how that goes in Nigeria. mistakay: |
komando.:Before you call out somebody's education on NL why don't you learn how to quote other people's posts properly - there is a quote button and an "insert quote" link on each message when you click reply. Also, rather than write another post about an error in a previous post you could simply modify your original post. |
mens dept:1. So you are Igbo afterall. Mr. Komando had suggested the Yorubas sent you to derail the "Extent of Alaigbo" thread, but you were "walked out". You are no longer Igbo because you raised a point of objection to anything labeled Igbo ![]() 2. I am not sure who you refer to as having greater vision than Awo, but I think it is Zik. The problem is that all you want to talk about is how Zik was winning election in the West and claim that Awo introduced tribalism. It seems from what you wrote above that NCNC was founded by a Yoruba man, but when Zik took over it got converted to an Igbo party, not that it did not have Yoruba members, but they were relegated - everything was labeled Igbo. The question that is most relevant is what had Zik done as a party-man for Yorubas. Why would the Yorubas not follow someone who promised them a better deal, the great man Awo. His vision, which was overwhelmingly acknowledged, convinced Yoruba people that he was the right leader - and Yorubas were right to follow his vision. His accomplishments as a politician REMAINS UNRIVALED to this day. Yorubas are looking to the likes of Fashola for another golden age of vision. If Yorubas were simply Obasanjo would simply have had to say his name to get votes. He didn't because he was a bit short on vision, though a great pragmatist. 3. This is related in a coincidental way to (1)&(2). Unless someone allows an Igbo man to do what he wants or supports the Igbo in any way, it doesn't matter what, he is either a tribalist, coward, dog, etc. Fajuyi is all you mentioned in your view not because of those achievements, but because he chose to die with Ironsi - that is the begining and end of it for you. It is good of you to acknowledge his bravery today, but in your next breath you will declare all Yorubas to be cowards. Ah! If Fajuyi were alive today he would acknowledge Awolowo as the greater of the two, although he was great in his own right. Awo became a tribalist in your view because he stopped claims to rulership without accomplishements that was going to be pushed on his people. Today you NL Igbos claim you respect northerners because, to quote one of you, "if they tell you they are going to kill you, then they will kill you ". In reality, you are just scared of them! In your messed up psyche you love the Northerners because they are "strong", and hate the Yorubas because they are "cowards". You guys need to read up on "Stockholm Syndrome" beofre you come to here NL to expose your damaged psyche. ![]() |
Do you have a concrete example to illustrate? |
komando.:Always thinking up conspiracies. Nobody sent anybody - that's #1. #2 Stop claiming more than you really are - nobody can walk anyone out of any thread. Cyberspace sanity depends on individuals who decide to act one way or other. Many of you here are like drool in the mouth crazed dogs. By the way I read what 'mens dept' said on that thread, and it was not some derailment comment. He could have been Igbo - he simply said a discussion of your geographical extent is not worthwhile. I disagree with him, and so did you. Somebody told him, appropriately, not to post on the thread if it is not important. |
komando.:Nobody is deceived by your new found religion of peace. The fact is you guys set out to derail a thread celebrating Awo's greatness, and you did - any thread can be derailed as you only need a couple incorigibles. There is a thread on Alaigbo's extent that was allowed to continue without derailment. Even I learnt a couple of things about that part of Nigeria. A few Igbos on NL has decided they will derail anything Yoruba. We 'll see your real attitude when the next Awo thread is opened, but note that the law of reprocity is a balanced one! |
komando.:Nobody is deceived by your new found religion of peace. The fact is you guys set out to derail a thread celebrating Awo's greatness, and you did - any thread can be derailed as you only need a couple incorigibles. There is a thread on Alaigbo's extent that was allowed to continue without derailment. Even I learnt a couple of things about that part of Nigeria. A few Igbos on NL has decided they will derail anything Yoruba. Note that the law of reprocity is a balanced one! |
T9ksy:You will soon learn that no matter how much you try some of these people on NL will take their imbecility to a new level. Just look at this thread about Awo and check the very first reply. Once they provoke you then they will start playing the victim as if what they wrote were invisible. For your future need - believe me you will need it- I recommend leaving their ethnic group out of your counterattack, but everything else is on the table according to how far they want to take it. |
You may be willing to interpret Gaddafi's words as sacarsm - but I will do no such thing. His history shows he doesn't respect anybody, especially sub-Saharan Africans. And if you are to be entirely correct about this the question arises as to why he is helping the Italians already. The same Gaddafi gave up his nuclear program without a fight and is enjoying Western oil investments in his country now. Yes the IMF serves the interest of its funders, but nobody asked IBB to sell us to them. The responsibility remains on us at the end of the day. Mugabe totally mishandled the Zimbabwe situation, and his problem is the same as with most African leaders - useless bravado devoid of deep thought. Mugabe could have gotten a 1000 fold more from the caucasian farmers by handling things properly. |
chyz:I don't know what you are reading. While Gaddafi has done well for "his own people" - maybe this what you are thinking about - the entire article was an open call to be paid to deal with "ignorant Africans". How can you call such a man a "real African leader"? Please re-read what this man said again: "We don't know what will happen, what will be the reaction of the white and Christian Europeans faced with this influx of starving and ignorant Africans," Col Gaddafi said. "We don't know if Europe will remain an advanced and united continent or if it will be destroyed, as happened with the barbarian invasions."In order words, for $5 billion Gaddafi will help Europe do what they cannot do or be seen to be doing - mistreat, deport, jail and kill the Africans that are voting with their feet to leave the continent - does that sound like the reverse of something that happened in the past to Africans, except that the money would still flow in the same direction. He is not asking for the morning on behalf of Africa. No, he is selling what he already demonstrated in cooperation with Italy: "Italy has drawn criticism for handing over to Libya migrants it intercepts at sea, without screening them first. Far fewer now reach Italy from Libya." You admire Mugabe too? - what has he gained with his unwise moves except a country that has gone from being a food basket to a basket case. You admire both the guy that is driving his countrymen out of their country, and the guy that wants to collect money to keep them in their suffering - you are something indeed. The number of caucasians Mugabe kicked out of Zimbabwe is far less than the number of his countrymen now eking out a living in other parts of Africa and being targeted by other African countries, including your other hero Gaddafi. |
komando.:Are you talking to yourself again or just scared to identify who you are writing to? |
MetalGong4:Of course not. How can MetalGong4's GRANDFATHER sleep well - afterall Metalgong4 keeps proclaiming to everyone that will hear how his grandfather put the gun to his mouth and fired at 80. |
@PapaBrowne Thanks for the correction - it was The Nation. I thought it to be PUNCH because they have also being printing stories that seem fabricated lately. May be it is the political silly season - a BHO would put it. Will edit my comments accordingly. PapaBrowne: |
chyz:And the story sounds "cement" to me - concrete ko, cricket ni. . |
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. The man is shameless. He is always working agaisnt good men like 