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ImtiazNupe:
Bini was originated from Nupe (Tapa). So Yoruba should outcast from Lagos and allow our sub-tribe enjoying the fruits of their land. Enough is Enough

Olu317:
These people are funny. They kept claiming Odu'a, Lagos and everywhere in South East Yoruba land and yet those people refused to bear their names. How clownlike can anyone be if not these social media commentators of IDU /BINI liars...

Gotze1:
They should keep deceiving themselves. People that are not up to 4million people are claiming to own people of over 50million. Very hilarious.

ritababe:
ask them oh

ritababe:
lol, emir will soon take over osun too

helpishere:
Is the Oba your mate or did you grow up in the same area with him? Are you able to stand in his presence? Oba of Lagos said the same thing and rubbished the ooni of Ife and you did nothing . You might find it unpalatable if you keep talking to the Oba in this manner. Ajayi Bembe said that he is the president of the indigenes of Lagos owners and you cannot dispute his views and you are telling the Oba to warn him or what?

TimeMod3:
For whatever reason that makes them hate on their Yoruba in law (Lola) but not as strong to make them hate adorning a Yoruba attire, grace a yoruba wedding & making a fortune on Yoruba soil.
It's therefore safe to say that Lola being a yoruba is not the problem but the evils in the hearts of her in laws.

diadem10:
We recognise them because they have been living in Ondo since 19th century. However, we know for a fact that it isn't their land. I already stated the land treatise signed by the Ijaw with the British. There was no place in Ondo, Benin or Itsekiri land that Ijaw signed a land treatise with the British, rather the British signed land treatise with the Olugbo of Ugbo, so why the foolishness on Ijaw's part?

Like I stated, if Ijaw try any rubbish, we will have to relocate your arogbo brothers to Bayelsa like the Camerounians did to the inhabitants of Bakassi. Just thank your stars that we're still in one Nigeria nonsense!

PabloAfricanus:
Me getting worked up over a pathetic cheerleader's antics? WTF
I'm saying get out of my way you i.diat!
I'm just doing my civic duties getting this once vibrant forum sanitized of daft chameleons and ignorant cheerleaders
Why egging Yorubas on against Igbos all the time?
You muddle up the discussion with irrelevant cheerleading nansense, and you are ALWAYS to be found on ALL Igbo threads.
I see you all over the place, doing just one thing, pathetic cheerleading.
I would not have even bothered replying you if it was just that, apparently Igbo vs Yoruba threads drive traffic for Seun.

But playing the chameleon on this Edo thread, naaaaa that was cheerleading taken too far.

Seeing as no one has taken it on themselves to correct you and call you to order.
Even the Yoruba posters you tag along their trail and call for backup all the time should be tired of you by now

Here I am helping out, as concerned citizen.
Oya take am once again

Now go and stop cheerleading ok?

giftq:
Bros, stop taking panadol over this Lagos matter. The elders have spoken

macof:
Exactly! Bini had the power to take over Aworiland, they even sacked Iddo at one time but Bini's interest was control of the sea not the land.

So it's complete madness for any bini person to open his mouth or use his fingers to claim any inch of Aworiland belongs to Bini

PabloAfricanus:
Trying to hide your silliness under attempts at humor are we?
You have not been able to address the topic, counter any of the points I brought up or contribute to the thread.
So what's your point really
I come upon your silly posts all the time on threads where you do a full time job cheerleading Yoruba forum members.
Your opinion is irrelevant and I am definitely not here to amuse anyone or be amused either.
Your cheerleading is cluttering up this once vibrant forum with irrelevant nonsense and I don't find that amusing too.

So take this this again cheerleader

And this too

PabloAfricanus:
Now this is beyond hilarious, are resorting to bombastic statements to drive home a meaningless point?

Do tell, which of the authors or academic scholars known to you or you can provide references here have used rigorous analytical methods to determine the authenticity of such accounts

Did you just write this?
Chief Sam Igbe is now fond of reciting history from a Benin perspective, with little regard for accuracy of events and patterns of migration

Were you not the one defending Edo history, Edo oral accounts, Edo kings and lands in the thread about Gelegele?
How come you did not know the Iyase of Benin and by implication all Edo historians do not use rigorous analytical methods to determine the authenticity of such accounts

So they used rigorous analytical methods to determine the authenticity of such accounts to determine the Ijaws are not indigenous to Gelegele, but did not when presenting an historical paper on Bini history?
And you had to switch sides so quick you just realized they have little regard for accuracy of events and patterns of migration?
Whatever that means in your sill.y mind.

Ezigbonmadu:
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PabloAfricanus:
Coming from a pathetic cheerleader who does nothing but troll, ask for sources and links while cheerleading
Coming from the master of copying and pasting links, articles and books in over 12,000 according to you.
Guess who would have been the first to request for sources had I pasted those articles without referencing the authors?

I nearly spilt my tea when reading your pseudo intellectual rants on the thread about the Forbes article about Ojukwu's father and the Rolls Royce saga. And other threads I bother to read where your cheerleading gets in my way.
I could not believe a man would stoop so low to play the chameleon.

You this pathetic chameleon of a cheerleader

PVision2020:
You don't need to argue with them. Let them show you one Bini Omo onile (land owners) in Lagos. Its easier for a kabba man in faraway kogi to claim Omo onile in Lagos than a Bini man (who born im papa well).
You don't argue reality.

PabloAfricanus:
Contradictory?
How? I know the author did missed a lot in his Bini attributions and I clearly stated it when I quoted him.
Did you miss that part?
I quoted that article to bring in an Edo narrative since everyone here seems to be from the all Yoruba or nothing camp.

How did you know the meaning of core Yoruba names like these
Akiolu, Oyekan, Tinubu, Opebi, Okouromun, Esan, Akiode, Ojuelegba, Onigbongbo, Igbobi, Ikeja, Ogba, Ipodo

When you needed this??

So much for your minimal grasp of Yoruba language?
Swear you did not know Ojuelegba means the Eye of Elegba? Can you bite an iron bar and swear to Ogun?

Are you sure you are not Yoruba, you this pathetic cheerleader??
Cmon let the cat out of the bag, history is good to discuss we know.
Atleast you can stop hiding and playing the chameleon.
Come outta the shadows and play in the sunlight cheerleader, can you do that?

baby124:
Lol!!! Something is wrong with that guy. Ojuelegba is Edo? Abeg no let me piss for pant. Ojuelegba is former shrine dedicated to Elegba/Esu... Igbobi (kolanut farm); Akiolu( we greet/welcome the overlord/king); Oyekan(title/greatness is his); Ogba(compound) and so on...

The seat and opa ase of Oba of Lagos is from Oba of Benin. From the Asipa, the first Oba of Lagos (1600) to Oba Dosunmu(1885) and the 11 obas in between, they were installed by Oba of Benin, and they went frequently to Benin to pay tribute. The original people of Lagos are the Aworis. Since the kings were not natives, they do not own any land; only the chiefs (Idejo) who were natives own lands. The Oba's household were maintained through taxing the people.

As the essay shows, this caused disagreement between Oba Gabaro and his brother Prince Akinsemoyin. The later believed that if they rule over a people and a place, they should own lands too. But Gabaro insisted they stuck to the original treaty between Benin and the Idejos. Benin people only came to Lagos to secure their access to the sea, not to colonise. The incidental settling of a local dispute turned these Benin soldiers into the go-to and eventually the rulers; but they do not have estate rights.

Akinsemoyin did not agree, and so Gabaro drove him into exile in Badagry. The new political dispensation entrenched by the British, and the phenomenal growth of Lagos made any allegiance to Oba of Benin unnecessary. Just as the seat and authority of Alaafin of Oyo is from Ooni of Ife too. But when Oyo rose to become the greatest empire in West Africa, Alaafin considered it belittling to pay allegiance to Ife, which they could invade and conquer even with toy soldiers. https://opinion.premiumtimesng.com/2016/04/14/victorian-lagos-the-slave-economy-and-inversion-of-oshodi-tapa-by-damola-awoyokun/

baby124:
Again, there is nothing like Lisa of Ikorodu. That is a family name and title. Just like Odofin means Chief Justice. Those names eventually became family names. There is a Lisa who is an Oba in Ogun state. You don't even know what you are saying and it clearly shows. That your article is heavily false and desperate. How do you jump from Olisa to Lisa when such titles existed before anyone even knew the Binis existed. Stop posting crazy articles here and do your research. There is no Lisa of Ikorodu Obaship. You wrongly stated that the Lisa was an Oba which is very false. You are asking me if I am a Lagosian. Yet you post articles by mad men who don't have the balls to come out and claim lagos but write articles which are largely untrue just to wrongly inflate the true stories of the land. Do you think we are fools? We know our history very very well. You will have to try harder to make your wishes come true.

PabloAfricanus:
Cutting and pasting articles I did not author does not count as references before a cheerleader
Should I quote Julius Caesar or Mansa Musa then?
So in addition to being a pathetic cheerleader, you are also ignorant and daft

Ok seems I can give you some lessons there, don't take my word for it, shebi you are the one speaking for the Edos right?
Here is your chance to take a stand and do a full spin for the Edos like the cheerleader you are

Hear it from the Iyase of Edo kingdom, Chief Sam Igbe

https://ihuanedo.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-origin-of-eko-lagos

Among the historical names in Lagos that shouts EDO very loudly as shall be explained in more details soon hereunder, are Akiolu, Oyekan, Tinubu, Opebi, Okouromun, Esan, Akiode, Ojomon, Ojuelegba, Eyo (as in Eyo Masquerade), Onigbongbo, Igbobi, Ikeja, Ogba, Ipodo (Ikeja), Iduntafa, Idumota, Idumagbo, Agidingbi, Alausa, Idungaran, Iga Idungaran, Ashogbon, Oshodi, Odibo, Idimu, Idiroko, Araba (As in Chief Araba of Lagos), Idi Araba. These names, though often time relics of the yorubanized and or Islamized versions of the original Esan or Bini Edo names, yet help to tell the forgotten story of the birth era of modern Lagos.

baby124:
The Eko you are talking about does not include a lot of parts of Lagos Island not to talk of Ikorodu. You can write as many articles as you want, but we know our history and we know who is who. Even the British knew that there was more to the area known as Lagos State now than what we know today. They were simultaneously trading with many royal families. Lisa of Ikorodu? Lol!!!! There is nothing like the Lisa of Ikorodu. They went on exile to Epe because a lot of them had Epe ancestry as well, and Epe Oba's took them in rather than having them killed. Epe's are Ijebus, but you won't know that because you refuse to do your research before typing useless and stupid articles.

TheKingIsHere:
Yes. The Asagba of Asaba and obi of Onitcha are bini princes. I have schooled you on it before. Am sure you are pained again that the true lagosians are coming out to say the truth.

Victorian Lagos: the Slave Economy and Inversion of Oshodi Tapa, cont'd:
By ‘Damola Awoyokun | Premium Times | April 14, 2016

Ajayi Crowther whom the African Squadron of the Royal Navy rescued 28 years earlier, had become a famous missionary of the British Empire. On November 18th, 1851, at Windsor Castle, he had an audience with Queen Victoria and her husband Prince Albert, and told them that “the slave trade in that part of the African coast would be at an end if Lagos, the stronghold of its greatest support, was destroyed.” He also met with Sir Francis Baring, the head of British Empire’s Navy. A month later, Lagos was attacked.

Oshodi Tapa organised the defence. It was a sea-to-land battle. First was the security of the gunpowder supplies, which was the lifeline of war. War was won or lost by the effectiveness of the artillery unit which had moved away from bow and arrows to cannon fire, rockets and muskets. Hence, gunpowder was key. So that the Oluwolean Tragedy would not repeat itself, the gunpowder magazine was shielded from the possible range of the British cannon fire. An embankment was dug two mile along the Marina (which today is from Onikan to Apongbon) to provide excellent cover for the 5,000 men firing muskets.

The larger warships, HMS Penelope and HMS Sampson with more lethal power stayed off Bar Beach, between Ahmadu Bello Way and Atlas Island, because of the shallow waters of the Lagoon leading to the palace. So the Royal Navy relied on HMS Bloodhound, HMS Taezer and numerous smaller boats from bigger warships. Oshodi Tapa anticipated this. The more the impending battle was cut down to an infantry-to-infantry combat, the more the chances of wiping out the British. But if the ships with their 32 pound calibre cannons were engaged, Lagos may not stand a chance.

Hence, double rows of spiked coconut tree stems were staked underwater to further deny any ship or boat the required navigation depth, should they press ahead ashore. Other stakes were extended above sea level, to form piles for intermittent emplacements in the coconut mangrove, along the shore. On them were placed long range cannons. Sure of his strategy, on Christmas day 1851, Oshodi Tapa ordered shots fired at the British ships which had for weeks collected together under a white flag of truce, to map out their strategy. Oshodi’s motive was to entice them quickly towards the waiting perdition.

The following morning, shortly after the British flotilla lead by HMS Bloodhound began to sail inwards to Lagos Island. At Onikan part of the Lagoon, Teazer was grounded due to the dry season, shallow depth and the low tide. Oshodi’s forces went ballistic on her with a battery of two twelve pounders while the Taezer’s 32 pounders kept quiet. They were still sailing under a white flag.

By half past two in the afternoon, Captain Lyster quickly formed a landing party of 200 marines on eight smaller boats to spike the shore, firing before Oshodi’s forces moved their long range cannons close and inflict a fatal wound on Taezer. By the time the marines landed with overwhelming show of force, Oshodi forces ran away.

But as the Yoruba say, agbo to fi eyin rin, agbara loo lo mu wa (A ram stepping back in the middle of a fight should not be mistaken as retreating, but rallying fury and power). The marines were ambushed and eventually, one officer and thirteen men were killed, four officers and over sixty men were wounded including Lieutenant Corbett. One of their boats was captured by Oshodi’s soldiers. It was the turn of the Royal marines to become the retreating ram.

The presence of their dead colleagues on board magnified the fury with which cannon and rocket fire left the ships, zapped through the town’s stockade, pierced people’s homes and exploded like a bomb of fire, at the town square. Oshodi’s forces were petrified as the gunpowder magazine exploded and Lagos erupted in a sea of flames. Like any war, the result was a spectacle of sorrow, blood and tears.

The British consul, John Beecroft later remarked after surveying the intelligent design of Lagos fortification, that if an engineer from the Royal Military Academy in Woolwich had been an adviser to Lagos, he couldn’t have done a better job. https://opinion.premiumtimesng.com/2016/04/14/victorian-lagos-the-slave-economy-and-inversion-of-oshodi-tapa-by-damola-awoyokun/

baby124:
Niger state. He was Nupe to be precise. I have Oshodi blood, but distant. So I know that history very well. Yoruba's call Nupe, Tapa people. That is why his name is Oshodi Tapa, to identify him as a Nupe. He was supposed to be king in Nupeland but was sold into slavery by his uncles after his father's death. His royal pride will never let him be a boy-boy to anybody. He freed himself and climbed to prominence all by himself. He was a military strategist and very sharp. That is the only way he could survive the betrayal by his uncles.

baby124:
Oshodi Tapa was a mercenary. He was fighting for his own bele, his wives and children. He owed no loyalty to anybody. He even later sided with the British. He was brought to Yoruba land as a slave from Kogi state, he was supposed to be sold to the white men. But his intelligence and military knowledge made his Yoruba owner to keep him. He was a prince but sold by his uncles so that they could claim his father's throne. He was not an agent of anybody.

odigbosky:
its like because of ignorance some people don't even know what empire means again. The roman empire consisted of so many tribes and people. From Britain to the coast of libya and deserts of iraq that was how big it was. Today can you compare the population of ethnic romans to those people in spain. The Benin empire was big and it contained so many tribes and people. If i say Ekiti state was among some Ediots will come here and type rubbish but go and check the website of the Ekiti state govt. If i say most parts of Ondo state was part of it some afonjas wont just believe it even when it is obvious and their elders tell them everyday. We are not claiming Lagos in anyway, we are not claiming onitsha in anyway today what we have always said is that we had a presence there and the people of these lands have agreed. We did not coerce Chinua Achebe to say he has Benin roots, we did not use juju on the Obi of onitsha to say his crown has Benin roots. We did not put a gun on Akiolu head to say his crown in lagos divided by about two yoruba states and edo state has benin roots. We did not force the Ali-ogba people in Rivers state that is seperated by two states from edo state to say they have Benin roots. Infact it is a thing of pride when people identify with us and we wish them the best. I don't know why some people just take these issues personal and start throwing insult at the Oba of Benin for no reasons. We in Benin just want to live our lives, teach our children our history so they will never ever forget the place of the Oba in our lives.....

If you know say u get mind and you dy Benin and you dy well say u get mind take dy curse the Oba of Benin for here....just drop your phone number and address.....We gp personally come greet you for your area for benin. We go bring kola and ivie come from palace with native chalk.....Make ogun kill ur papa.

PabloAfricanus:
All that long grammar up there just to justify your pathetic cheerleading
Haba, you can do berra than that nau
I need no explanations from you cheerleader
This is a forum where I come for latest info, news and history.
Your cheerleading gets in the way of that...
That said this one is for u

Now go and cheer lead no more ok?

Habakus:
What are the "historical antecedents and evidence that tell the factual origins of Lagos Island and it's inhabitants" that only you and Osun parasites know that is factual than what Oba Akiolu and other core indigenes of Lagos State have said?
Do tell us something else apart from the myth of how one person is the progenitor of the whole people in present day SW.

1). History of Lagos, Nigeria: The Shaping of an African City by Takiu Folami. ISBN-13: 978-0682497725. 175 pages. Publisher: Exposition Press of Florida; 1st edition (October 1, 1981)

2). Modern and Traditional Elites in the Politics of Lagos by P.D. Cole, (1975). Cambridge University Press, Cambridge.

3). Urban Transition in Africa: Aspects of Urbanization and Change in Lagos by Kunle Lawal (1993). Pumark Nigeria Limited.

4). Lagos : the development of an African city by A.B Aderibigbe and Jacob Festus Ade Ajayi (1975). Publishers: Longman Nigeria, 1975.

5). Possessed: A history of Law and Justice in the Crown Colony of Lagos 1861 – 1906 by Olasupo Shasore SAN. Quramo Publishing Limited (2014).

PabloAfricanus:
I rarely engage in personal peeves here, but I am moved to make an exception for u.
You are a pathetic cheerleader

Let me repeat that for emphasis, you are a pathetic cheerleader.
Are you Hausa, Edo, Ijaw, Igbo, Yoruba or Zulu?
How did Mr. Ajayi Bembe's interview rope in the Igbos who were never even a part of the discussion?
Who put this "propaganda" of yours into the mouth of Mr. Ajayi Bembe? Igbos? Gerrahia you i.diat
What's that bit about Ovbiedo coming from?
I thought I read you exonerating Oba from the OP's interview and viewpoint?
Who now made you a spokesman for the Edos?
And why are you always cheerleading Yoruba forum members when they go head on with the Igbos?
Everyone can see they troll each other all day, and even with that, knowledge about each other is passed.
I have learnt and read histories I would never have known about just from everyone repping where they come from.
You on the other hand, are either a paid or voluntary cheerleader.
You contribute no original post, comment or history, just pathetic cheerleading from the sidelines, while calling for backup and support from peeps who are unapologetic about their ethnic group
You are actually cheering other people commenting and telling their own stories! How pathetic

This one is for u

Go ahead, jump up and cheer lead some more

Malawian:
This one is now in conciliatory mode after it became obvious that the Bini indegenes wants to send him back to his abeokuta cave. I feel your pains my Yoruba muslim brother. Midol, come and console your broda for me.

meforyou1:
what was his name then? Laudate?

meforyou1:
seems u didnt read that interview. Chif layi said that they, members of lagos indegenes association, have been making it abundantly clear since time immemorial. That lagos is not yorubaland. That lagos is not part of south west. That lagos is an independent bini envlave. That your so-called aworis are binis. Are u telling me that you small boy from osogbo knows the history of lagos more than a real lagos indigene?

somegirl1:

Give an example of any Bini name or word with the "ch" digraph. If you can't, that should tell you that the account is spurious or Chima was of foreign origin.