₦airaland Forum

Pierohandsome:
bro stop argueing what is a knwn fact. No serious minded business man uses Port Harcourt Port to clear goods consistently unless on political settlement , go ask ur former company if they are stil using Ph port, and if they stil use ask them the conditions surrounding it

Oga, stop arguing blindly. I just don't have a lot of time now, otherwise I would have gone through the archives to pull out posts and comments from importers that have successfully imported goods through Port-harcourt and Onne ports. Pls do your checks and stop arguing.

WhoRUDeceiving:
Even you know this is just an imagination. Yoruba were the most disorganized region until 1967. The slave coast has to thank Fulani for what they even have today, which still, isn't much

Haba! How can you talk like dis, nah? If you wan do propaganda, abeg put small truth inside am. In my history classes, we were taught that Yorubas lived in city states and towns. Do you know the level of order that existed in those city states? Many SE communities at that time, were still hamlets o...

Pierohandsome:
Then what Happened this year, tel them to clear their goods this year, or why did they stop using there.

I moved to another company early this year, so their current state of operations is unknown to me. But there are various threads and posts by people who have used Onne port and Port-harcourt port to receive their goods and clear them. Check through NL boards.

BenzEne1:
Well they do have some brilliant minds undoubtedly. What irritates me about these disciples of Nnamdi Kanu is how easily they are decieved by cheap propaganda. Ojukwu whine dia head, dem jump follow am collect. Kanu do e own gbezz yet they arent still seeing that these people are all deceitful people who will lead riots on media and backout when it matters most. It is a shame that an.individual who says he has achieved enlighgment is so easily swayed by fallacies rooting out from folks like Kanu. Shey e say d election no go hold. Whr the fvck is he now ?

Don't mind them. They are not politically savvy, and they do not learn from history.

Pierohandsome:
stop sounding funny, if the Port Harcourt port is as accessible as Lagos, nobody wil have to clear goods in Lagos before moving them dwn to Ph.

Oga ask importers that have used Port-harcourt ports, before you make such a statement. Last year, my company cleared goods through Onne sea port.

ImperialYoruba:
Especially in an Ibo frontline state like Anambra, true statement....Anambra will now be an IPOB State.

...but hold on, these are yanminrins, if they had the chance all over they will still do it the Kanu way, not with the wisdom you prescribed here.

Oga, may you live long! This was the same formula I suggested to them in another thread, and they ended up calling their ancestors foul names, and not me!

eagleeye2:
Unilag, just before 1999 and graduated just before mid 2000s.
Served in the North and came back to work briefly in Lagos when Fashola was just warming to take up the mantle. Two years after Fashola was a governor, I went back to do my Masters. UNILAG again. And I was there till I decided to go back East, when Ambode was just emerging. And I have visited every other year including this year.
I know Lagos politics and I still have men running things in APC Lagos.

You have been out of circulation in Lagos, and your visit has been restricted to specific parts of Lagos. Instead of those brief periodic annual visits, stay in Lagos for several months at a stretch. What men do you have running things in APC Lagos? Akoka Yaba does not reflect the whole of Lagos.

Listen, I have spent many years living, working and studying in different parts of Lagos and I am still impressed by the changes made by the Fashola-Ambode administration. I only listed a few for you. Talk to different residents who have lived in Lagos continuously over the past 10 -15 years and ask them for their opinions.

AntiNigerian:
then we'll sabotage the whole thing like Eritrea did to Ethiopia! and least I forget, you're a savage and an animal!

Hehehe.....sabotage, kwa? Don't forget that your director made far more serious threats than that, but he ran away when Operation Python dance came to his doorstep. Don't worry, part 3 of that dance is still loading... Anyway, thanks for letting us know that "you're a savage and an animal." Hehehe.... That description suits you perfectly!!

ehissi:
Whaaaaat!! Afonja!

I smell painment!!!

Goal post ke?

So anybody whey no talk wetin sweet you na Afonja?

Lefelendum don hold? No be erection result we dey see so?

My flend, berra create a tread and denounce ya igboship right away......

All these IPOB whey dey shallow minded!!, ewu gambia.....

Everybody is an Afonja to them, once that person does not share their point of view. Later, they will be boasting that they are the most educated in Nigeria.....mtcheew!

AntiNigerian:
will Nigerian government system allow the promoting of Biafra on its Constitution? no! once you get entangled with the Nigerian system, no going back! you can't want Biafra and still participate with anything Nigeria!

Keep deceiving unaself. You people are clueless about how to get Biafra. Demonstrations and election boycott will not get you your Biafra on a platter of gold. The federal govt will just keep ignoring you people, until you see sense.

eagleeye2:
Come to Ikot Ekpene axis of Abia, Uyo indigenes have graduated to riding bikes and Tricycles. Uyo is our neighbors.
I will even grade Tinubu higher than Fashola, because despite what he saw in the hands of OBJ he was able to lay a lasting foundation for his people.

Whether you grade Tinubu higher than Fashola, or lower.... It doesn't make a difference. At least, both of them improved the fortunes of Lagos state. If the residents of Lagos, had decided to boycott elections, would these men have been voted in to change the state?

eagleeye2:
I schooled in Lagos. Spent over 10 years of my life in Lagos before relocating back to the east and still frequent Lagos regularly. I have been to Uyo severally, and like i said before we have been so abused in this country that we will gladly accept mediocre as our Messaiah

Empty rhetoric. What year did you school in Lagos? When did you relocate to the SE? You obviously lost touch with Lagos. Fashola's legacy is still quite obvious even as we speak, and Ambode is building upon his foundation. That is why projects such as Lekki Free Trade Zone which will give Lagos the second largest sea port is still on course. That is why security forces such as Rapid Response Squad (RRS) has improved security situation in Lagos. That is why ferry services, currently boosting water transportation, is now available in Lagos. That is why a rail project is ongoing, within the state. That is why federal roads were repaired by Fashola and the people have benefited from it. That is why Ambode has been able to build additional bridges and roads to reduce traffic gridlock in the state ..

Even hospitals have been upgraded by Fashola and Ambode. Oga, the list is too long, abeg....

36govs:
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See the result of the boycott?

eagleeye2:
Of all the names you mentioned above, I believe Donald Duke is the only one i can give a pass mark. Like someone said elsewhere, standards differ. We have so adapted to mediocrity that we don't know any better.

Only Donald Duke? Do you know what Lagos was like before Fashola took over, and Ambode succeeded him? Oga, please ask those who know and have been living inside there, for years. Same for Akpabio. Without him, Akwa Ibom would not have an airport, stadium, great roads etc, that they can boast of today. In the past his people were known for providing most of the houseboys and house girls in Nigeria, but all that one has changed. Go to Uyo and talk to the residents, before coming back in here to share your views.

myright:
they are all criminals. Remember, there children are schooling in abroad including obiano. Obiano proscribed us and tagged us miscreants/terrorists. We shall deal with him and every other politician from Biafraland by not voting again.

Una just dey do unaself. Obiano will continue coasting to victory, because of your boycott! Willie, carry go! Na you biko!

eagleeye2:
Please mention one name of who will do the right thing
This country is ripe for civil disobedience if not Revolution. The right person isn't just there. Moreover, the those guys shouting boycott are angry. Politicians come to preach heaven on earth during election but after the 'Selection' we will not see anybody until the next election.

As big as Igbo land is, and as educated as Ndi Igbo are, you can still say such a thing? The right person is not there, because your people have refused to search for him and support him, to get into power. How come states like Lagos, Akwa Ibom, Cross River, Kebbi etc, have been able to get governors like Fashola, Ambode, Akpabio, Donald Duke, Bagudu etc , to pilot the affairs of their states, and improve their infrastructure? You think it was by boycotting elections?

jacyhelen:
Whether You vote or You don't vote ,the highest political rigger will win the elections.
when they vote, their votes don't count, the electoral umpire have over time showed Incompetence and conivance in upturning and short changing people's votes.
In other cases we have seen videos of security agents partaking in electoral malpractices with reckless abandon, and you say the igbo man is foolish to take a decision in exposing this fraud for the world to see?I think other regions need to emulate them and not calling them names if truly we desire a prosperous county...

This is the kind of defeatist mentality that changes nothing. Look at Akwa Ibom and Lagos states. If the voters in those 2 states had adopted this attitude, do you think they would have gotten governors like Akpabio, Fashola and Ambode who changed the fortunes of their states, and improved their infrastructure?

Later, you lot will come online to lament about marginalisation, poor govt performance, neglect, political issues etc. When you had a chance to partake in a process to change the status quo, you did not. Am waiting for the day, one Anambra person will come online to lament about how they were given a charlatan at the helm of affairs, instead of a governor. Nansense!

CharleyBright:
We need to scrunitize and criticize every detail of that shabby budget proposal.
Aso Rock Clinic budget estimates that surpasses the budget for entire National hospitals, and yet they don't have paracetamols.
Over blooted budget estimates that they come up with and turn around to steal from.
Fanstastically corrupt Nigerian governments. Jonathan govt and Buhari govt are like 5 and 6. Nothing has changed. They are still looting and milking the Nation dry.

Who crafted that irresponsible budget for Aso Rock Clinic? That is the 1st question that needs to be answered. The Fed. Min of Health has denied ownership of the Aso Rock Clinic and its' budget. So who drafted it? The person must be a crook....

hpymoment:
A couple of years u said They have been together for more than ten years n it takes a manipulator few days to accomplish his/her aim.

With this ur manipulated sense already, urs wont take longer .

I repeat: only shallow people like you can be manipulated into thinking that a full-grown man like Peter does not have a mind of his own. Lola did not manipulate him 10 years ago when they met. At that time the love was still hot, and she could have done so easily. She did not manipulate him 5 years ago to part ways with his brother, neither did she manipulate him 2 years ago, to do so. So it is now when things have been firmly established, that she would manipulate him to leave the group that made him a star? Your shallow mind is outstanding. You are envious of Lola and harbour a deep seated dislike of her. Try not to let the hate you have for her, kill you.

TerraCotta:
This poster often makes these types of inane comments. He is not alone in being incurably addicted to ethnic stereotyping so there's not much point in engaging with him (although I'm grateful to others like Radoillo and Scholes who do God's work by replying!) I do have to correct some simplistic comments that I often see repeated by ignorant posters on Nairaland. Anyone who feels offended because they fit the bill of 'ignorance' may wish to look up the meaning of the word.

Yoruba entrepreneurs have lived and continue to live all over Nigeria and West Africa, in numbers rivaling if not outnumbering any other migrant groups. I'm not interested in score-settling with shallow-minded tribal chestbeaters but the facts are the facts and we have both anecdotal and empirical evidence to support this view.

You will find Yoruba traders in every rural corner of northern and central Nigeria, and in a chain of communities stretching throughout West Africa up to the Ivory Coast. Entrepreneurial travel is a foundational aspect of Yoruba culture, as I've written here before. It's enshrined in the traditional religion through "Aje shaluga" and Olokun, and is well-presented in hundreds of proverbs, and in ancient and contemporary patterns of commerce. The market is still the locus of society in most rural settings, and cities built along traditional plans like Ibadan still demonstrate the central role of the market in Yoruba life.

A brilliant, under-appreciated book on this theme was published in the early 1980s and is called "The Entrepreneur As Culture-Hero"--the author is Professor Bernard Belasco, formerly of the City University of New York. More recent books by Toyin Falola and Jane Guyer go further into Yoruba economic history and anthropology from the 19th century to the present.

Even further back in time, the economic development of Ile-Ife was most likely due to its trade in the luxury goods of the day (9th-14th century West Africa), which included the beaded jewelry, ivory and bronze/brass/copper-alloy artwork produced there: http://www.icom-cc.org/54/document/wg-glass-and-ceramics-interim-meeting-corning-2010--preprint-ige/?action=Site_Downloads_Downloadfile&id=1278

The city was wealthy enough to attract the attention of Muslim scholars like Ibn-Battuta, who is believed to have written about 14th-century Ife under the name "Yufi"--similar to the indigenous Ife-Ijesa and Okun-Ondo dialect version of the town name, "Ufe". There is some controversy about this record but it appears to be correct in calling Ife "one of the largest towns of the negroes, whose ruler is one of the most considerable of the negro rulers."

As suggested by this record, Yoruba cultures have long placed an importance on living in primarily urban arrangements; they are considered one (if not the most) urbanized societies in Africa prior to colonization. Urbanization requires societies open to immigration, entrepreneurship, religious, linguistic and cultural mixing. To my mind, this tradition is strongly upheld in Yoruba culture and partially explain both the size and economic vitality of many Yoruba cities like Lagos and Ibadan.

Coming back to the revolting bigotry that pushes someone to say a group of 35 million people aren't "independent-minded and enterprising enough to travel outside their region to survive". The mindset that generates this type of simple-minded comment can't be cured by posting on the Internet, unfortunately. Thankfully, it can be partially relieved through reading and travel, so more facts:

Yoruba Traders in Cote D'Ivoire: http://www.ajol.info/index.php/afrrev/article/view/43614 (This was, until recently, the country with the highest per-capita GDP and living standards in West Africa)

The Yoruba Migrant Entrepreneur Experience in Ghana: http://www.imi.ox.ac.uk/events/amw-2008/papers/olaniyi.pdf and https://books.google.com.hk/books?id=IjlzSYnAKdQC&pg=PA217&lpg=PA217&dq=yoruba+ivory+ghana&source=bl&ots=fu3niM8Tif&sig=pkXGVgPr9-1yvmJHRPbG-i08KTE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDAQ6AEwCWoVChMIn-6-6qSWyAIVJCymCh0iAg64#v=onepage&q=yoruba%20ivory%20ghana&f=false

The Yoruba ethnonym "Anago" or "Nagot" is synonymous with "Nigerian" in both the Ivory Coast and Ghana, which suggests the significance of the Yoruba migrant population in both countries.

This is senseless, given the documented travel patterns above. If there were economic opportunities and societal openness rivaling Cote D'Ivoire and Ghana in the East, you would expect to see more migration there. Unlike some of the silly inferences I read on Nairaland, migrant labor does not move to new areas out of an altruistic need to "develop" a community. Migrant traders like the Yoruba in these countries, or in London, Dubai and so forth, go to these places because there are more economic opportunities than they would have at home. They are leaving to "strike it rich", not to perform philanthropy. It is a clear comment on the perceived inferior quality of Nigerian schools that students would rather attend university in Ghana and Malaysia (and of course the U.S. and U.K.) It may wound Nigerian pride to hear it, but that won't make it less true.

Likewise, if Yoruba traders go to every other region and nation on Earth but avoid specific ones in large numbers, there is likely to be a straightforward explanation that doesn't require the tortured logic of the quoted statement.

Your claims are demonstrably false as shown above, since there are literally millions of Yoruba people living outside their region for three or more generations, at this point. They live in a wide variety of other communities inside and outside Nigeria. The more probable truth is that you and others who think and talk like you represent a strain of thought and lack of openness in your region that most Yoruba people would find unacceptable.

Coming from cosmopolitan backgrounds where they are used to celebrating a variety of ethnic and religious backgrounds, they are unlikely to be attracted to that rudimentary approach to life and a general lack of courtesy and decorum. If there were some overriding economic reasons to live in the East, there would undoubtedly be many hardy migrants who are indifferent to these issues.

For instance, there are Yoruba traders established in Hong Kong and Dubai, which are certainly more economically competitive and less culturally-familiar to them than Eastern Nigeria. The appeal is the economic opportunity that the first two choices offer and that the last appears to lack. Whether or not this lack of opportunity is true has little to do with my point that BigFrancis typifies a lack of cultural courtesy and decorum that many (if not most) Yoruba would find repellant.

Bigotry comes easily to the shallow-minded and inexperienced and it's tempting (but difficult) to ignore it if you have a nuanced and open-minded view of the world.

Nairaland taught me a log time ago that engaging with dyed-in-the-wool bigots is a waste of time--they either grow out of their ignorance through their own efforts or inevitably face shame and correction from a source they admire and trust more than an anonymous internet poster.

It is important to correct nonsense like the first quoted statement because impressionable readers who don't have a wider appetite for information might buy it.

Epic response!!

Chai!! Nairaland has changed for the worse. I miss the old gurus like Terracotta....

paydayng:
Those are houses built by British, stop this hate

You don't know anything. Most of those houses were built by Yoruba merchants, commodity traders and Brazilian returnees, with ancestral local roots. Go and do your research.

Pierohandsome:
Go and check the useless politics been played to undermine the existence of those sea ports u mentioned. No importer make use of those ports, they wil stil have to come to lagos to clear their goods because Lagos is the only sea port that goods can be cleared. Try using Port Harcourt sea port for ur goods and see what wil happen, u wil run at a loss if u are eventually cleared. That is the evil politics played by the Northerners in collaboration with the westerners led by Obj and Tinubu

Oga people have been using Port-harcourt and Onne ports to clear their goods without issues! Don't say what you don't know.

Abeg, erico2k2 please come and school your misguided brothers here, biko!

hpymoment:
She is manipulating u n dats the bitter truth.
Trash in making

Quote me again

No, you are the one that has been manipulated into thinking that an adult full,-fledged man (not a teenager, o!) can be separated from his twin brother, who he has been with from birth, by a woman he met a couple of years ago. I guess "trash in the making," is your middle name.

Receive sense!!

You dey mind am.The igbo habit of travelling is not because they naturally are,its due to circumstances.Prior to the civil war,how many igbos were outside the country.Ijebu people have been travelling outside the Yoruba kingdom to do business before Nigeria was even formed

Back to his alaigbo-made claim that yorubas are hardly independent/enterprising .I'm still wondering where he got the notion that igbos are more enterprising than Yorubas.Do i need to be a trader for you to consider me independent? Are freelancers relying on Government?

Are yoruba bricklayers, carpenters, vulcanizers, taxi drivers collecting money from government?

What is the difference between the so-called "independent" traders and the ones i mentioned above?

Are we saying there are no igbos relying on Government?

Bigfrancis i need answers

Hmmn....food for thought.

bigfrancis21:
The only tribe who will have issues with living in the east is the Yoruba because they are hardly independent minded and enterprising enough to travel outside their region to survive. Also, many are discouraged by the tough competition that must be going on in the east, given the tough competition the Igbos are giving in Lagos and other SW states already. Then also, some Yorubas also carry so many false impressions about the Igbos or Igboland in general and hardly ever travel out to visit other areas, especially Igboland. Igboland is some mysterious Island, some unthinkable place where aliens live and land is scarce. Many Yoruba corpers who are posted to the east redeploy back to the west after camping, even when nobody is pursuing them. They redeploy just because they want to go back to their zone, where they feel comfortable in. On the other hand, Hausas, Ibibios etc have no issue at all migrating to the east to live. In the East, you'll find thousands, if not millions, of Hausas living and doing their businesses peacefully. Many of them have been allocated lands which they established their own community and some of them speak fluent Igbo.

The crux of the matter is that the average yoruba man feels insecure when he is outside of his own region. He doesn't feel comfortable when he is not in the midst of his own people. The ones that travel to the north happen to be muslims and fitting in in the north is not an issue for them. It is not an issue of not feeling comfortable in the east. Lots of non-Igbos are residing peacefully in the east.

Here is a perfect example of generalisation and stereotyping raised to the nth degree!

dadavivo:
That's what you get when you don't open sea ports in other regions just like China did. All Chinese state facing the sea has a sea port. But the wickedness in this part of the world no want development in other regions.

So make we all squeeze ourselves in the only one we've got

Does Port-harcourt not have a seaport? What about Calabar? What about Onne? Even Onitsha is being given a river port as we speak. Warri and Sapele also have river ports. So what grammar are you talking here?

Khadrenaline:
bitch?? really and u want a wife? ,nigga u had better learn how to address a woman first!

Leave am, nah! He wants a bitch. So obviously he must be a dog.

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Cc; lalasticlala

Wait first... Na only one question I wan ask. Na who get this private jet? My neighbour na pilot wey dey find work.

Oh Lagos, my Lagos....city of guts and glory. What happened to you? Who defaced your beauty?

bigtt76:
What if she did beg her husband not to pull out privately but he refused? Truth is she's not being accepted totally because of her tribe. We all know difficult it is for Ibos to marry outside their tribe. Only 1 in a 1000 women are that lucky to have that privilege.

Don't mind dem. I dont know who helps them to manufacture these fake stories. They are saying this rubbish against her, because she is not Igbo. They claimed she broke up the duo.

Did Lola hold a gun to Peter's head and force him to stop being part of the group? They dated for years, until they got married in 2013. How come she did not ask Peter to pull out all those years ago? Yet some idio'ts want us to believe that she is the one that asked Peter to leave PSquare.

So Paul's wife could not have asked Paul to also pull out of the team? Yeye dey smell.