Politics › Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 8:48pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
superstar1: I do ot even know anything about the Ogori Magogos. Igalas have more link with the Igbos than the yorubas.
Olukumis are descendants of Oduduwa. Likewise the ruling houe of Bini.
I even read that the official language of the Oba of Benin within the courtyard is Yoruba, I do not know how true that is, but taking the eulogy of Oba of benin -- Iku Akpolokpolo -- it might be true. Bros, na God I take beg you, Igalas do NOT have links with the Igbo.  Please do not believe all the stories you read on Nairaland, from those chaps across the Niger. superstar1: Really!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am shocked.
I thought there is always this story of Nri and Eri and the link with the Igbos. I have always felt they are Igbo's cousin, the same way Itshekiris and Binis are ours. Cous- kini?? I beg, I reject that thought on behalf of the Igala, even though they have not sent me on this errand. Please do not believe all the hypothesis on Eri/Nri as the blood tie between Igbo and Igala. Thank you.  |
Politics › Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 8:25pm On Oct 26, 2015*. Modified: 10:30pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
Funjosh: I joined the train sometime from lagos to Offa, we left Lagos 10am and got to Offa 3:45am the following day  Train, ke?? In Nigeria?? In fact, anytime I think about rail transportation in this country, I feel like crying. The management of NRC needs to be overhauled. Arogunmasa: Have never being to London but I hear one of my uncle says he takes metro train to work everyday, a journey of 3hrs hence my view. Abi how many hrs journery is Ilorin to Lagos.
I also witness man hrs wasted on Ikorodu road, while the inland water ways is under utilised. For instance we have pple living in Ijede when their place of work is VI. Yes, the waterways are grossly underutilised in Lagos, Ogun, Osun and Ondo states. If you know the potentials being lost because the waterways are not fully tapped, you would be sad.  Lagos has even tried to some extent. They have constructed over 57 concrete jetties from Epe to Ebute-Ero, Ikorodu to Badagry. They have also licensed almost 18 boat operators to carry out water transport within the state. But this isn't enough. The operators have very few boats. I think only about 2 of them have boats that exceed 10 units.  Yet, each boat can easily carry 40-60 passengers at a go. Unfortunately, their departure and arrival schedules are not publicised, or well known. Others have fewer boats which are not well maintained.  This is where I think the states need to pool resources together and set up an intra state water transport system. Ogun State which is next door to Lagos has not even done anything about its waterways. Yet from Iwopin in Ogun State, is about 20 minutes to Lekki in Lagos by boat. In fact, if you stand at the waterside in Lekki and you are looking across the river, you can easily see Ogun state in the distance.  If I had some mega bucks, I would just buy up the sea front property in Iwopin, build some luxury homes, leisure centres, conference centres, helipad and shopping malls, then connect everyone by boat/ferry to Lagos Island and Lekki areas in Lagos. 
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Politics › Re: Dear Igbos, We Don't Hate You... We Are Not Your Antagonists by laudate: 8:09pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
SeverusSnape: didn't you see where I said "Fuck_ all of you"??... Is that not enough for you to know that I'm angry at both the igbos and the south south guys??... What are you even saying ! Ah, okay. no vex. |
Politics › Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 8:08pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
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Politics › Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 8:06pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
zimoni: His brothe Barrister Sapara Williams was the first Nigeria Lawyer.
Sopona, I learnt Sopona ravaged Ijeshaland for years in those days before they found remedy. So it was this man that provided the remedy. Nice one, local disease requires local cure.
Till now, some local Ijesha people still use sopona to curse someone. They would say "Sopona La Je Ojure or Sopona La Pa Ooooo". My people can rain curse on themselves.
You are doing a wonderful job ProfShymex.
I hereby give you a Chieftancy Title - The Okanlomo of Yorubaland. But I thought Sopona was the Yoruba word for 'smallpox'!  |
Politics › Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 8:02pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
mandarin: When you study Samuel Johnson history of the Yoruba, it was centred on Oyo Empire and by no means exhaustive of all Yoruba tribes.Basically it was pro Oyo but Oyo was the youngest empire as at then, there were other kingdoms way back before Oyo and even before Ife. Most pro Yoruba groups across the world talked of Ife but ife became prominent at the time of Oduduwa and before Oduduwa became the Adimula Olofin, there has been over 90 kings that had reigned. If for instance a king reigned an average of 10 years(some would be less others could be up to 50) then Ife had been having kings for over 900years. So what about those years? The Revd history never covered all of ife just largely Oyo.The Oyo were referred to as the Yoruba initially which now apply to all.Historically, places like Ekiti to Ondo, Idanre ,Owo and may be Ijebu predate ife and Oyo Alot of Yoruba tribes not captured in Revd Johnson history include most of Ekiti, Ondo states, Yoruba in Kogi, Bini, Itsekiri, Olukumi, Gbagyi and Igala,Ilaje, Ikale etc With all due respect sir, Igala people are not Yoruba, o!  Kindly cross-check. Thank you. |
Politics › Re: Dear Igbos, We Don't Hate You... We Are Not Your Antagonists by laudate: 8:00pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
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Politics › Re: Dear Igbos, We Don't Hate You... We Are Not Your Antagonists by laudate: 7:53pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
SeverusSnape: Please just shut up already.
I am angry that they are fighting on this thread. I'm not claiming any land... You just typed trash. Why the aggression?  And please read my post again. I did not say anyone was claiming land. I said they were 're-naming' land i.e. Port-Harcourt. So what is your stress??  |
Politics › Re: Dear Igbos, We Don't Hate You... We Are Not Your Antagonists by laudate: 7:37pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
Oildichotomy: Very annoying i must say.. The likes of tonye, Truckpusher are just tilting the foolishness bermuda triangle to their direction.
When are we going to stand together against a common enemy is a fairy tale with no good ending!
I won't take them serious again from now on. Including the APC goons SeverusSnape: I'm so ashamed right now. Fuc*k!!!
Fuck_ all of you.
I see why the north will continue to lord over us. Rubbish! Chai!!  I can't understand you guys. Must everybody always agree with you folks? If God wanted everyone to think alike, He would have created clones! You are talking as if you had a blood oath or secret unbreakable agreement with the entire Ijaw tribe to re-name their land, called Port-Harcourt. When and where was this agreement made?? They have told you that they do not want it to be re-named. If any re-naming is going to happen, it should be confined to the side that belong to the Ikwerre-Igbo folks. Instead of understanding where they are coming from, and trying to allay their worries, you chaps are just insulting them.  When you were making plans on paper to call Port-Harcourt Igwe ocha, did you consult them?? Will the insults make them align with your cause?? Abeg, na wetin concern me sef....am not Ijaw.  |
Politics › Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 7:18pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: That's the current one.His first name is Folagbade Ah, ok thanks. My former boss is the son of the old king, not the present one.  But sha, these Yoruba kings are imposing, o!  And very regal. Abi, na only my eye dey see am? How fear no go catch person wey wan misbehave for their palace or their front, sef??  |
Politics › Re: BREAKING: Again, Yoruba Traditional Ruler Kidnapped By Fulani Herdsmen by laudate: 7:14pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
anachy: u re sick , am not mightyhaze ,edo man. Efulefu! And stop telling your silly lies... if you are still calling me Edo, it means the money spent on your education was wasted! |
Politics › Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 7:11pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: Oba Olateru Olagbegi II, the Olowo of Owo Great! Thank you!  Is this the present Olowo, or the former one?? One of his sons was a former boss of mine. The guy was as principled as anything, hardworking and yet still carried himself with a regal air. He also had an innate courtesy, and awesome manners that was so endearing. My friend that went to Cotonou with me would love this. He is from there.  |
Politics › Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 7:07pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
WIZGUY69: is the Alake the overall king of present day Ogun or only egbaland? I don't really understand that matter.  Erm, I heard there are three kings in Egba land - one from Yewa? and another from Gbagura, I think?? Am not really sure. |
Politics › Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 7:05pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
Are there any pictures or info on the Olowo of Owo, Sir Olateru-Olagbegi?? Heard he was quite famous, too.  |
Politics › Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 7:03pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
IlekeHD: Ok....  We just dey talk am now....  |
Politics › Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 6:56pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
ProfShymex: I believe two of Oduduwa's children - Ketu and Sabe - settled in present day Republic du Benin and Togo. So a sizable populations of those countries should be Yorubas. Then you have the Fon admixture...and since Fon folks were under Oyo for a long time - we'll always be cousins. Interesting! I remember my friend telling me that the dialect of the Cotonou traders was very different, from the central Yoruba spoken in Lagos. But he could still hold a conversation with them as the language is practically the same, even though parts of their dialect were a bit hard to decode.  |
Politics › Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 6:12pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
ProfShymex: Akikenju Oba Adétutu Akinmu, King of Shabè. Savé, Republic Du Benin. Wow! I remember going to Dantokpa market (not sure if that is the right spelling!) in Cotonou with a friend. We got there and tried to buy some local stuff. I was completely clueless because I couldn't speak French. But thank God, my friend could speak fantastic Yoruba, (he is an Owo chap) and within a matter of minutes he was conversing freely with the traders and we got some really nice bargains.  |
Politics › Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 5:56pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
IlekeHD: I believe you. Look at the Saraki family: Fulani grandfather, Yoruba mother, Yoruba wife, etc.
You echoed modath's thought about Yorubas being too impartial ....... that's our downfall.
Igbos want the Biafran interest, North have the Northern agenda, what do Yorubas want/have? Well, as an outsider looking in...I don't think you should term it as a downfall. It is actually an asset. I see the Yorubas as being accommodating and cohesive. They may not always agree with each other on every single thing, but many of them are principled. I also see them as being objective, because they do not always follow the crowd blindly, or subscribe foolishly to one school of thought, if there are better alternatives available. God knows we need objectivity within and among ethnic groups, these days...so that we do not go astray.  And despite what a lot of other folks think, a large number of their elders are not impressed by sudden wealth. They are still many of them who would question their kids if he suddenly came home with a fancy car: "Where did you get that thing from?? Who gave you the money??" And the questioning would be done with some very penetrating stares, and suspicious looks!  What do Yorubas want?? Gee, that's a tough question for me to answer considering the fact that my links to your ethnic group are really bonds of friendship and maybe inter-marriage, as one of my first cousins is married to a wonderful Yoruba chic.  But seriously, I would imagine that the Yorubas want what everyone else does - life, liberty, development, success and great achievement, in addition to the rights to determine their future and political advancement within Nigeria. Am sorry, but am probably not the right person to speak for the Yoruba concerning what they want!  |
Politics › Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 5:29pm On Oct 26, 2015*. Modified: 9:22pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
IlekeHD: Any Yoruba speaking non-sw groups that does not voice its unity with the Yoruba union should be left out.
No time for saboteurs.
Why would any Yoruba-speaking group want to stay with the North? I'm still trying to grasp the muteness of Kwarans.
What does the North offer?
1. Illiteracy
2. Poverty
3. Religious intolerance
4. Terrorism
5. Low mortality rate
6. Backwardness
etc Hmmn... this is a tough question.  And I say so because I have friends and acquaintances from that area. When you live in close proximity with another tribe like those in Kwara and Kogi have done for most of their life, then you agree that there is bound to be a heavy dose of acculturation, inter-marriage and blending with other ethnic groups, inside those communities.  While doing my industrial training, I was posted to Ilorin and I witnessed first hand families that had a heavy blend of Yoruba & Fulani influences. Their great grandfather was Fulani, but through succeeding generations of intermarriage and acculturation, their children and grandchildren now bear Yoruba names and speak Yoruba language fluently. The religious factor of Islam is also there.  But heavy traces of Pulaku, the Fulani culture is entrenched in their daily lifestyle. In addition to that, most of these families were part of communities considered as Northern minorities in the days of the old Sardauna Ahmadu Bello. Despite his strongly spartan Fulani outlook, Sardauna believed in fairness and transparency and gave all the Northern minorities free scholarship to study abroad and in local institutions. He did not discriminate among them, even though his fellow core Northerners were not as accommodating or tolerant as he was, with respect to education. When it was time to send his first 11 to make up the core civil service, he chose some of the brightest minds among the minority groups, including the Okun. When he picked his kitchen cabinet, he also made sure the Northern minorities were involved, especially the Okun Yoruba. And that is why till date, a lot of them like the late SB Awoniyi, late SB Daniyan, Justice Akanbi, the Oniyangi etc., saw themselves as Northerners, despite the fact that they were from the Yoruba, or Okun sub-ethnic group. I would suggest a rapprochement with this group, and a careful approach to sound them out on where their thoughts lie, with respect to aligning with the South-western Yorubas. I hope I have not offended anyone with my explanations. It was just a bid to shed more light on the matter and not to cause disrespect in any way. Thanks.  |
Politics › Re: Dear Igbos, We Don't Hate You... We Are Not Your Antagonists by laudate: 5:02pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
menabadoo: Barcanista just lost my respect How?? For not aligning blindly with your pro-Biafra e-warriors to rename his ancestral land, without his permission??  |
Politics › Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 4:44pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: One great personality we forget to mention is Jacob Sogboyega Odulate the man behind the famous "Alabukun powder" You can steal every other thing in my former neighbour's house but never steal his alabukun.That's his soul Guy, that thing works like magic. Ten times faster and better than panadol. I take it everywhere with me!!  |
Politics › Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 4:42pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
ProfShymex: [size=14pt]Ajayi Crowther[/size]
The Right Reverend Samuel Ajayi Crowther D.D. (c. 1809 – 31 December 1891) was a linguist and the first African Anglican bishop in Nigeria. Born in Osogun (in today's Iseyin Local Government, Oyo State, Nigeria), Crowther was a Yoruba man who also identified with Sierra Leone's ascendant Creole ethnic group.
Ajayi was 12 years old when he was captured, along with his mother and toddler brother and other family members, along with his entire village, by Muslim Fulani slave raiders in 1821 and sold to Portuguese slave traders. However, before his slave-ship left port, it was boarded by a British Royal Navy ship under the command of Captain Henry Leeke, and Crowther was taken to Freetown, Sierra Leone, where he was released. Ajayi's mother was a descendant of King Abiodun.
While in Sierra Leone Crowther was cared for by the Anglican Church Missionary Society and was taught English. He converted to Christianity. On the 11th of December 1825 he had a rebirth by baptism and he named himself after the vicar of Christ Church, Newgate, London - Samuel Crowther, who was one of the pioneers of the C.M.S.. Ajayi was baptized by Rev. John Raban.
In Niger Territory, 1888 While in Freetown, Crowther became interested in languages. In 1826 he was taken to England to attend St Mary's Church in Islington and the church's school. He returned to Freetown in 1827 and attended, as the first student,[4] the newly opened Fourah Bay College, an Anglican missionary school, where his interest in language found him studying Latin and Greek but also Temne. After completing his studies he began teaching at the school.
He married a schoolmistress, Asano (i.e. Hassana; she was formerly Muslim), baptised Susan. She was also rescued from the Portuguese slave ship that originally brought Crowther to Sierra Leone, and had also converted to Christianity. Their several children included Dandeson Coates Crowther, archdeacon of the Niger Delta.[5] Crowther was father-in-law to Thomas Babington Macaulay, a junior associate, who married Crowther's 2nd daughter (Abigail Crowther).[6] Crowther's grandson Herbert Macaulay (Thomas Babington Macaulay and Abigail Crowther's son) became one of the first Nigerian nationalists and played an important role in ending British colonial rule in Nigeria.
Crowther was also a close associate and friend of Captain James Pinson Labulo Davies, an influential politician, mariner, philanthropist and industrialist in colonial Lagos.[7] Both men collaborated on a couple of Lagos social initiatives such as the opening of The Academy (a social and cultural center for public enlightenment) on October 24, 1866 with Bishop Crowther as the 1st patron and Captain J.P.L Davies as 1st president How interesting!! I read somewhere that Dr. Stella Ameyo Adadevoh, that wonderful medical doctor who correctly diagnosed the Ebola virus in Lagos, and quarantined the first index case to stop the disease from spreading, was actually a direct descendant of Herbert Macaulay. Small world...  |
Politics › Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 4:10pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
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Politics › Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 4:10pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
jstbeinhonest: Governor Ibukunle Amosun of Ogun state, Southwest, Nigeria has reinstated his administration’s commitment to the provision of the social infrastructure across the nook and crannies of the State.... Good initiative! I pray it will be completed speedily. Why can't the rail line take off from Isheri North-OPIC Gardens side? There are a lot of Ogun state residents there, and it has such close proximity to Lagos.  It would reduce a lot of traffic on that axis. |
Politics › Re: IGBOS ..We No Try At All Oh. *My Opinion* by laudate: 3:55pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
cheruv: it was reported that during the July '66 crisis that when soldiers killed their Igbo counterparts in coldblood,they usually answered briefly the name of the people they've killed. am sure that syndrome is worrying you... whether you're Igbo or not has been decided by your post  Na wah! Why am I not surprised by your reasoning?  |
Politics › Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 3:29pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
Arogunmasa: I think SW states shld build intermodel transport system to facilitate movement of people and goods. I see no reason why I person why a person living in Ilorin cannot work in Lagos n go back home after close of bisness. True!  The train/rail suggestion is exciting, but it takes a long time to plan, implement or execute. What about water transport? As close as Ogun State is to Lagos, it does not have a standard concrete jetty where ferries can dock! I have heard that it takes 45 mins to 1 hour, going by ferry from Lagos State to Ondo State using the small local speedboats that are rigged with extra tanks. Why can't this area be explored? It takes Sango-Otta residents an average of 2 - 3 hours by road every single day to and fro on each leg of the journey, to commute between Lagos Island and Otta axis. Lagos has an extensive water transport network that Ogun should try and replicate, because they have waterways, too. Just my 2 cents.  |
Politics › Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 3:14pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
wytecat: I thought without traffic one could make it to ibadan in 1hr from Lagos and make it to lets say many parts of Osun in another 1hr. Train will even cut it to 3/4 of the time.
Most people do that already spending hours in traffic within Lagos anyway. So living where rent is cheap and making Lagos money will get so many moving. May I come in here?? Or is this thread only for Yoruba people??  |
Politics › Re: Dear Igbos, We Don't Hate You... We Are Not Your Antagonists by laudate: 2:22pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
wirinet: 100% supported. I have always told the Igbos on this forum that non Igbo tribes of the Nigerdelta wants nothing to do with their utopia - Biafra, but they often get offended, cursing and calling us all kinds of derogatory names like Yoruba ( Yoruba is the most derogatory name to a Biafran), backstabber, efulefu, slave, etc. Is alliance by force?
I understand their pains, Igbos need Portharcourt for sea access, and they would fight tooth and nail to include it in their Biafra. Without Portharcourt, no Biafra.
Biafrans are now calling the whole of Portharcourt Igbo land. Imagine how Yorubas feel when they say Lagos is no man's land and not Yoruba land.
Barcanista, just prepare yourself for serious war over Igwe-Ocha. You will be surprised that majority of those claiming Portharcourt are not even Ikwerre, but Igbos from anambra and imo. Hehehe... this promises to be very interesting.  Na who carry my mat wey dey here? Who?  So they called you Yoruba, too?? Jeez! I thought it was only me, they labelled with that tag. Chai! Do you know how many non-Igbo and non-Yoruba folks have been wrongly tagged by this group? Yet, they all studied history in secondary school, o!  |
Phones › Re: NITEL Returns As NTEL With 4G Cheaper Data Services by laudate: 2:01pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
ajibolabd: War In Telecom Industry As NITEL Return With 4G Cheaper Data Services
That awesome moment when you think Nitel is dead and gun for life, and you just woke up one morning seeing NITEL Advert again. The good news is Nitel is coming back with full force to take over the telecom industry. Not NITEL again but Nigerian Telecommunication (NTEL).
This time around, NTEL will focus on Data services at the onset; maybe the've noticed people consumed data much than they make calls. However, NATCOM Consortium, the winner of the bid for the moribund Nigerian Telecommunications Limited, is planning to roll out services next month.
The consortium will launch 4G Long Term Evolution Technology (LTE) services suggesting that the revamped NITEL may focus on data services from the outset. Come next month been November, 4G data services will be launch in Lagos, Abuja and Port-Harcourt before it will finally roll out to other states. I guess the return of NITEL will even make data more cheaper and other Telecom industry seat up. I[b]f you don't know, NITEL had broadband facilities that traversed the entire country and that once revived[/b], it would boost transmission of broadband capacities from the shores of Nigeria to places in the hinterlands, where the demand is high. If your device is not 4G supported, then it's time to port with ease. www.yomiprof.com/2015/10/war-in-telecom-industry-as-nitel-return.html?m=1 Guy, NITEL had shares in SAT-3, but they did not have broadband facilities that transversed the entire country. What they had was a terrestrial network of metrolink copper lines and long-distance fibre-optic cables connecting different parts of the country.  And going by the Nigerian lack of maintenance culture, most of NITEL's old cable and transmission facilities have either been vandalised, or have fallen into a total state of disrepair in a number of places, within the country. The new owners will have to spend mega bucks, refurbishing, upgrading and extending the network before it can be viable. The return of NITEL is however good news to a lot of folks in the industry. |
Politics › Re: We Are Igbos- Dakuku Peterside by laudate: 1:01pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
Euro31: u are extremely stupiid for saying dat we Egbema in Rivers are not igbos ... Why call him names?? When did he say Egbema people are not Igbo?? |
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Politics › Re: . by laudate: 3:38am On Oct 26, 2015 |
My wives couldn’t tolerate my other women friends –Graham Douglas | The Sun Newspapers | SEPTEMBER 30, 2013|
By CHRISTY ANYANWU
Alabo Tonye Graham-Douglas is a household name in Nigeria. He was the Minister For Youths Sports and Culture and Minister of Aviation during Retired General Ibrahim Babngida’s regime. In 1999, he was also appointed Minister for Labour and Productivity and in 2000, Minister of Tourism in ex-president Olusegun Obasanjo’s cabinet. At his Port Harcourt GRA residence last weekend, Sunday Sun engaged him in an exclusive interview during which he reflected on his early life, lifestyle, family and other issues. Excerpts:
"My elder brother is a doctor and was the first secretary of the Nigerian Medical Council. They were the people who set it up. He was a great surgeon at the Hammersmith University Hospital in London. He organized medical services in Rivers State and was also the brain behind the teaching hospital in Rivers State.
One of my brothers was the federal attorney general during General Yakubu Gowon’s regime. He was first the attorney general to Odumegwu Ojukwu . When Ojukwu launched his rebellion , he opposed it and told him “We should try to keep Nigeria one. On that note he resigned though he was almost killed. When Rivers State was created, Gowon enjoined him to come and set up the Ministry of Justice.
Still another brother was the Chief Judge of the Rivers State . These two brothers were Senior Advocates of Nigeria. Today in my family, there are over 10 doctors and over 38 graduates with the grand children. So it’s a great dynasty." .... Read the rest here: http://sunnewsonline.com/new/my-wives-couldnt-tolerate-my-other-women-friends-graham-douglas/ |