₦airaland Forum

Omoawoke:
So since you know a single idea from one person can change more than a country- where’s your single idea?? Don’t you want to change Nigeria?

It is in Nigeria that when you see a foreigner, you worship them based on their nationalities…

There are also people in other countries with low exposure and lQ that act that way of treating foreigners based on what they look like or come from but the irony is that they hate you once they sight you…
But you Nigerians/black Africans love anything foreign and automatically believe they are better, lmao

Even losers and rejects from other countries know they can catch your women easily once they look foreign…

But those people mostly belong to the streets, just like the South African xenophobes… those people you see looting shops and attacking black migrants are never do wells..


You don’t have to even be in the calibre of Victor Osihmen, or Wizkid or Dangote… just at middle class level, have a good education, good career and you will mingle easily with people from other nationalities and they will give you your full respect…

So basic common sense does not tell you it is ideas that bring change and that an idea can come only from one person at a time? And you think you are intelligent?

Your main talking point here is dividing people based on color of the skin and the only departure is recent as a result of what happened in SA. And you talk about people with low IQ? You lump all Africans together. Is that a sign of high IQ? Are all Africans the same? Are they under the same government? They don't even have the same HDI or GDP per Capita. Even all Nigerians are not the same.

You made a sensible comment a while ago the substance of which I can't remember and that was why I followed you but I have now unfollowed you

Omoawoke:
So what have you done to fix your country?

No individual is responsible for “fixing” an entire country of millions or hundreds of millions of people.


And to you theory, that’s a big lie

On the ladder of respect, the kind of person you are and achievements eventually determines how people will respect and treat you even if you come from the most failed country in the world…

Most people are judged by their actions, accomplishments, and values, not by the successes or failures of governments they do not control.

I really believe many of you haven’t interacted with people of other nationalities and have poor exposure so I won’t blame you for this myopic mindset…

What have I done?
Nobody in Nigeria or that is a Nigerian has worked harder than me in the last two decades.
It is surprising you don't know people from working countries are automatically respected even before you get to know them well. I wonder the extent of what else you do not know

One person can not change a country of millions? No individuals that have a sense of responsibility can bring change and they are the only ones who can. Not a crowd.

You are traveled as I gather but you don't have a broad mind. Yet you say I am myopic? If you were not myopic you would have known that a single idea from one person can change not only a country of millions but the whole world.

blackpanda:
And who will fund the State Police States that are owing months in salaries to their workers or the Federal Government?
if its Federal Government, then it means nothing has changed. if its States , from where will they get the funds
In the end the State police will enventually become more unknown gunmen

Is that your headache? It shouldn't be. Let those who are ready to spend money on security do so while others continue to spend money on unnecessary things like Hajj and etc. Nobody is saying all states should have police by force

Omoawoke:
When people talk like this, I realize they are unexposed, uncivil and somehow lozers that haven’t travelled the world and understand how the world works.


Do you think people migrate because their counties aren’t fixed?

I understand it’s about your exposure level…

I hope you save some little change up and get to travel and explore one or two places and realize that even in that same US, you will meet migrants from Canada, Uk, Germany, Italy, India , China .
That’s how the world works, people migrate from place to place for different reasons..

Pls you need to upgrade your mindset

Nobody will respect you if your country is not fixed and why should they?

Is there any country where people are not complaining? What is the solution?

There is no country where people are not complaining and what they need is financial security, good wages, high human development index and good infrastructure

The last three just needs a very high government revenue to GDP ratio to be achievable in any country.

The first one ie financial security can only be achievable by statutorily requiring all workers probably including citizens and non citizens to save and invest and financial security is the only thing that can really give people peace of mind. If you meet someone that is always confident, it is often because they have saved a pile of money somewhere

In conclusion, no matter where you live and work on Earth, you will continue to complain unless you have financial security and the only thing the government can do to help in that regard is not to increase your pay but to compel you to save and invest.

If insecurity is the problem then restructuring is just grammar. What is needed is the decentralization of security

State police
Local government police
University police and etc
And private security firms for profit
All armed with military grade weapons

Restructuring can not by any means solve the security challenge of the country if the proliferation of security outfits is not part of it..

Then the main fault in the constitution is how the representation at the center is shared followed by the issue of security. The natural resources not put there by anybody is not something worth fretting about that much. There are other faults though. However the issue of security is very urgent

nairalanda1:
If you Nigerians had allowed subsidy removal before 2023, by now you would have had more refineries, and dangote won't be dictating the price.

NO one go refine fuel when a subsidy is in place, because banks won't lend you money for refinery building. Dangote was an exception because he had other lucrative businesses that he could use as collateral.

You can refine fuel when subsidy is in place. There is demand for the fuel. The only occasion you can't refine fuel is when government is refining fuel and does not want profit. There is a difference.

Government can not leave a refinery in Nigeria and go outside to buy unless the local refinery is selling too high

Then the opportunity was there but the vision was lacking. There are many entities that can build refineries in the country and many have done so already. Only that Dangote's is the biggest. I believe he built the biggest because when you scale your expenses will drop.

The office is diversionary. Face the work you were employed for is the best way. Can the MD of a big company be appointing a first lady? The governor is just a CEO and there is no reason to have a separate budget for the office of the first lady in any constituency since such first ladies also have their own occupation

nairalanda1:
The only thing preventing refineries from being built was subsidy, also the thing that wrecked NNPC refineries was subsidy too.

You cannot refine fuel at a certain cost, and then have government force you to sell it below the production cost, and pay you a subsidy that does not even cover your resultant losses.

Not when refineries need imported components and stuff.

Subsidy should have gone decades ago. The last chance we had was in 2012. You guys did not listen.

Government can't force you to sell at any price and neither should they force anybody to buy from you. You should pay all relevant tax and government can then impose a tariff on importers for sometime

nairalanda1:
I remember you were opposing subsidy removal, and you probably think it was a disaster.

Well, government NOT removing subsidy for decades, until the rising debt resulting forced tinubu to remove it (alongside lenders refusing to borrow money to fill the budget deficit)....is why dangote is the only game player in town

If subsidy had gone in 2012, when you and your fellow nigerians were protesting , by now we would have had a lot of refineries up and running. The refusal to remove subsidy then left people like Dangote as the only one whom banks and lenders were willing to lend money to build his refinery (before you shout government...Dangote spent 20 billion dollars on the refinery, only 3 billion came from CBN and government)...because if Dangote defaults, they pay themselves back from his other businesses.

No one is going to invest in a refinery where there are price controls.Because the purpose of investing is to make money, not to do charity for people. Everything that goes into making a refinery work is imported, plus workers must be paid very very well . But you guys kept on crying for subsidy anytime government wanted to remove it. That wrecked the NNPC refineries because they were being forced to run at a loss in the name of subsidy. That is why they cannot work today.

Or to put it this way, subsidy prevents refineries from making enough profit.

Next time, not every government decision is oppressive. Some are, not all.

If you built a refinery when government refinery was working you can or may incur shortages depending on many factors but if you built a refinery during subsidy you can't incur any shortage. That must be understood. Government or the marketers would just buy from you as they were buying from the international market and if your own is far more expensive then they won't or why should they?

izzou:
You are trying so hard to win an argument, but it's okay.

The court saw the Unity of AAC and agreed they shouldn't be deregistered.

If you are totally right about the reason the ADC was deregistered then the AAC too will be deregistered by any court in Nigeria if there is a petition to that effect before it.

It just shows that the constitution you are under that you submit to is nothing but a rude joke

izzou:
The comparison is based on the judgement passed.

ADC was deregistered because they failed to win any political seat in 2023.

AAC failed to win any too, so why wasn't it deregistered? Has Leadership got anything to do with this?

If that is the only reason then it of course can not stand but for the court to make any such pronouncement at all is because there was a litigation before the court that mentioned ADC and not AAC which still goes back to the problem of unity.

So AAC have no issues because they are united

Actually any union with financial members and a budget should be able to function as a political party. That should be the base criterion. Then maybe they should have an address anywhere they are contesting elections

izzou:
You did not bother to read the judgement, and you're arguing on it?

Na wa!

The judgement has absolutely nothing to do with leadership.

You just have to read first, before you argue, or at least use Google

I can do that later. What I responded to is the comparison between AAC and the deregistered parties

Heffalump:
The FG thru the NMDPRA needs to sit with Dangote to workout a pump price mechanism that's sustainable. The idea of Dangote taking the entire country to the cleaners due to small variation in crude oil price is not good for our economy in the global picture. He is a businessman, but he must understand that Nigeria will have to survive before his business can thrive. Dangote is a greedy man to the core driven by his investment partners who share the same characteristics.

If you can give him low interests on loans he will give you cheaper fuel. He is not raising price to punish Nigerians but to pay back loans or interests on loans

izzou:
The suit did not deregister ADC because of any issues with party leadership

I did not bother to read the judgement but there was a dispute is why they were in court. The ADC in particular did not conduct themselves very well at all. They should have been able to stay under one umbrella and it would not have been able to affect the results of any genuine primary election because why exactly should who the chairman is matter? And there are provisions in any party constitution to remove any chairman at any time. So the ADC in particular are complicit in whatever fate has befallen them

Don't bring the AAC into the argument. They don't have weight but are united

BlueRayDick:
Let's even assume there's a law that says parties who don't meet some criteria should be deregistered. What are the criteria AAC fulfil that parties like ADC, Accord and ZLP has not fulfilled?

The main difference is that AAC members do not have any dispute in any court over party leadership

As it is said 'Lizards can only hide in walls that are already cracked'.

MarkNsukkaBread:
They will still slash it further in the coming days because the war is about to end

Not only because the war is about to end but more because of competition. Private companies are there to make profit. Their mandate is not to make life easier for the people

Mrexcell:
Nothing like any igbo pride here but facing reality only a very sick person will expect the whole igbos to be voting for the apc that brought calamity to nigeria a party that deliberately invited terrorists into nigeria to be terrorising and kidnapping innocent nigerians because greed for power never meant well for nigeria and definitely has absolutely nothing to offer. Igbos will continue to vote against the apc in every presidential election even if they end up on the loosing side but will definitely still end up being vindicated.

Party isn't the problem in Nigeria. Why did Igbos vote Atiku Obi in 2019 if they are not voting APC? How is Atiku not APC?. Therefore Igbos are part of the people voting APC

Tinubu is a typical Yoruba name that means From the depths of the oceans.
Similar names are Adelabu and Adedibu
Adelabu means Royalty transcends the oceans or crossed the oceans. Adedibu means Royalty has become ocean like meaning as deep as the oceans

While the surname Tinubu isn't common outside Lagos, I will not be surprised to find any Yoruba from anywhere bearing it though I haven't yet.

KobolanderSegun:
If you took out the time to read my entire post what I simply said was the seeds for Lagos development were sown solely by the British, when they left in 1960 Lagos was still the Capital of Nigeria Up till 1991. So the Military Governments gave Lagos IBB BRIDGE, Carter bridge was built in 1901 was it the Oduduwa who built it ? 1970 it was rebuilt and reopened , Third Mainland bridge from 1978-1990 built at a time when Lagos was the Capital of Nigeria.

The British and The Federal Government built Lagos then Lagos took over and extended the development.

If the Oduduwa built Lagos why did they fail to build Ogun, Ondo, Oyo to the Level of Lagos ?

If Lagos were an undeveloped village, the British would not have taken it seriously. You mention bridges built in Lagos, what about Onitsha bridge and other bridges across major Rivers around the country? Lagos has more population than the SE but I think the SE should have up to five times more federal spending. There is nothing special done for Lagos that was not done in other places and if any state has been cheated that would be Lagos because if oil states are being paid derivation why not port states? Or how is the head of a monkey that much different from that of a baboon?


Every city in Nigeria was patronized according to how they laid their bed. Ibadan got the first university, Ogbomosho even as an independent state or unit of Oyo got the Baptists from the USA to invest there in the nineteenth century and the Methodist church built a big hospital in Ilesa as at the 1930s or so.

It is not too late for any city. Go to your land anywhere it is and develop it. Stop claiming credit for something you didn't do. That you had no capacity at any time to do. Nigeria set back Yoruba land and did not develop it. Do you know the number of Yoruba people scattered around the world? How many Japanese or Koreans or even Ghanaians or Ivoiriens are scattered around the world like that?

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The Wesley guild hospital was established in ilesa even before Nigeria was created

Predictor3:
This is exactly what I wanted to hear. Geography, geography, geography! Lagos enjoys that and no one can take that away. So naturally, wether we like it or not Lagos will always be above every other place in Nigeria in terms of investment.

Lagos really does not enjoy better geography than many cities on the West African coast

KobolanderSegun:
If you took out the time to read my entire post what I simply said was the seeds for Lagos development were sown solely by the British, when they left in 1960 Lagos was still the Capital of Nigeria Up till 1991. So the Military Governments gave Lagos IBB BRIDGE, Carter bridge was built in 1901 was it the Oduduwa who built it ? 1970 it was rebuilt and reopened , Third Mainland bridge from 1978-1990 built at a time when Lagos was the Capital of Nigeria.

The British and The Federal Government built Lagos then Lagos took over and extended the development.

If the Oduduwa built Lagos why did they fail to build Ogun, Ondo, Oyo to the Level of Lagos ?

It is simple common sense that the British collected tax in Lagos to do anything they did in Lagos or do you think they used their own resources?

KobolanderSegun:
What is 1960 ? The British made Lagos the capital in 1914. They Annexed Lagos in 1861. That means the British where in Lagos for 101 years. They lived in Lagos, Portharcourt and Jos extensively. I'm talking History and you are talking politics. Ask yourself why Ogun state, Oyo State has lagged behind in development. Why did Ogun state get it's Flyover bridge under Amosan in just 2013.

If the Yoruba were so good at development why is Lagos such a sharp contrast to places like Kogi, Oyo, Ondo ?

For vehicular infrastructure, the Odo-Ogun Bridge along the Oyo–Iseyin road is one of the oldest major river bridges in the state. Originally constructed around 1950 by the British colonial administration, it underwent a comprehensive reconstruction and expansion by the Oyo State Government.Additionally, while it is a road rather than a bridge, the Ibadan–Oyo Town road built in 1906 holds the historic title of the first road for motorized vehicles

Lagos is not a sharp contrast to Oyo for instañce. The only difference is Lagos has a more pro active government than Oyo. Lagos also has a higher population now which was not so in the past. After Lagos the second highest number of hotels is in Oyo despite that NIN registration data says Ogun now has a higher population than Oyo. Oyo still has more expensive neighborhoods than Ogun too and they rank next to Lagos. If Oyo sits up today, they will surpass Rivers not to talk of Ogun state in igr. Oyo state alone is generating more than double the value added tax paid by the whole SE. Osun state has more of everything like hotels, banks, bakeries, smes and etc than any SE state apart from Anambra. Did you even use any data at all to arrive at the conclusion that only Lagos is ok in the SW? In the whole southern Nigeria the next city after Lagos is Ibadan after which it is PH. What is true however is that the government headquartered in Ibadan is not doing enough by way of generating revenue

stuffs2002:
* Did I say Nigeria was not a multiethnic country?
* We can and will determine who will be president and we have excluded Igbos from those who can be president of Nigeria.
* They have always wanted to lead Nigeria since the days of Abubakar Tafawa-Balewa and it will always elude them. Even Aguyi-Ironsi was a short lived mistake that was quickly corrected. They can fight all they want but it will not change anything.
* Nigeria will remain one and no one can change that but we will still not let them near the presidency of Nigeria

You don't get it. No single bloc has the means to say anybody can not be President and if today only an Igbo man contests against a Northerner, the Igbo man will likely win.

Then if any group wants to leave Nigeria they can seek help and do so as South Sudan left Sudan. Bigger and more significant countries than Nigeria have broken up

stuffs2002:
* We will not give Igbo Biafra neither will we allow them get to the presidency
* There is absolutely nothing anyone can do about the above apart from online noise

Nigeria is a multi ethnic nation and no one group can determine who will be President alone and no group in Nigeria can give another group independence too. If they want it they will fight for it and get it. Then if Nigeria remains one, no one can prevent an Igbo from becoming President because it is not the decision of any one group. If an Igbo man had contested in 2023 against only a Northerner or Northerners then people would have been sentimental and voted in the Igbo man since a Northerner just finished two terms

pasol4real:
You APC shits can Keep deceiving yourselves
We all know the elections since 2015 has been rigged to favour apc...
In a free and fair election igbos will determine who rule both Lagos and Nigeria

What is free and fair elections to you? Obi won in Lagos was fair and free but LP lost other elections on the same day was rigged?

Do you really stay in Lagos? Check your neighbors, colleagues as well as classmates if you are a student. Check your students if you are a class teacher and you will find out that Akwa Cross people are at par if not more than Igbos in Lagos. I am not talking of other southerners yet o

Please other people reading from Lagos should help this guy with real stats that is available to them in Lagos.

Colonial census gave a huge figure to Igbo and to Fulani when in reality Yoruba are almost three times the population of Igbos

Igbos believe the figures and they rank themselves high because of that since politics is a game of numbers but in this day of biometric based data, the lie is exposed.
Kano should be more than five states if the SE is five states while Lagos should be like seven while Oyo and Ogun should be two each and etc

The problem on the overall is the Igbos have three Yams and they are planning as if they have nine. There are Igbos that believe their population is 70 million when total Igbo population is less than thirty million including all Igboid peoples

Kaczynski:
you're either a troll or a complete economic illiterate. first off, gubbmint paying salaries is the bare minimum. if that's your benchmark for success, you're celebrating the fact that the gubbmint isn't actively sabotaging itself. you think throwing money at infrastructure without proper execution is a win? that's like celebrating a man who burns down his house but rebuilds it faster.

the cbn is burning through reserves like a crackhead with a blowtorch just to keep it from collapsing. that's not stability, that's a controlled demolition. foreign investors are swooping in because they smell blood in the water. that's not economic growth, that's vulture capitalism. you're celebrating the fact that nigeria is now a discount bin for foreign speculators.

Revenue has tripled is a failure?

from the point where we were literally printing money to pay salaries? from the point where our gdp per capita was lower than a goat's IQ?

If government were printing money to pay salaries it would be obvious in the exchange rate but you don't know this and neither do you understand anything about economics. The main area this government isn't doing enough is in security. Buhari was printing money to pay salaries and it was obvious.

You don't understand what GDP per Capita really means is why you think Nigeria needs ten thousand dollars in GDP per Capita for a family of five to have an income 50k dollars per annum in Nigeria. What do you understand by GDP per Capita?

Most of you here have zilch understanding of what you come out to discuss on a public forum
You are experts in emotional outbursts

KobolanderSegun:
Sorry to burst your bouble. The success of Lagos has little to do with the Yoruba and Everything to do with the Colonials. If Oduduwa peeps did it in Lagos as you claim how come it was not replicated in Ogun, Oyo, Oshun , Kwara ?
British made Lagos the Capital of Nigeria and invested heavily in Lagos to modernize Lagos To Their taste. When the British left Lagos was already the Capital and military leaders continued to invest in Lagos hence the Third Mainland bridge , Carter bridge and IBB Bridge.
Lagos was given a Fantastic head start. So since the focus was Lagos for Close to 100 yrs of British and Military investment what we see is a lingering development of Lagos.

It's no different from Social media Facebook had a very strong headstart even though TikTok is by far better that is why people still use Facebook. Or Android is by far better than iPhone but people still hold unto the iphone hype.

Or why people support Manchester United even though there is nothing to Manchester United now.

The British gave Lagos Everything then NIgerians followed.

I live in Magodo and Surulere in Lagos so I'm not someone trying to downplay Lagos.

I'm just telling you the Facts. Lagos was Built by The British.

Enjoy the tears in the Bucket. Since Sugar is now Expensive the tears most be salty

In 1960 the west had a revenue of 55 million pounds the East 12 million pounds and the North 7 million pounds. Was it the British paying the taxes? The west became independent in 1951. You can't develop as a nation without joining hands together to pay tax which has been happening in Yoruba land for thousands of years. There were huge cities before the colonial era in Yoruba land and infact Yoruba land contained eighty percent of the cities in Nigeria early in the twentieth century and it should still contain up to fifty percent today. You can't run any civilization without revenue and it was not the British that taught the Yoruba to collect revenue. All towns had markets and markets were sources of revenue and all farmers paid a produce tax called isakole.

Ibadan had an army of over 100k in the nineteenth century. The Oyo at it's peak was said to have had calvary alone at up to 300k. Was it the British funding all that? Or Nigeria?

You keep saying Nigeria helped the Yoruba to stand up which is an insult because Nigeria is a set back for all members and not even only the Yoruba

shegoon:
Sentiments apart! I am a Yoruba man,the person you claimed built Lagos has destroyed the country with useless and needless policies.

Tell me a former Lagos governor who didn't perform? This is because it's the former country capital territory and the structure was already on ground, smaller geographical land mass,IGR, infrastructure and other factors.

Former osun state governor Aregbesola worked with Tinubu for years before he became governor but couldn't deliver in osun because of the large geographical mass land size, poor IGR and no existing infrastructure on ground to develop on, unlike Lagos state.These are the challenges been faced by other states in the country.

If Obi and Tinubu should swap state as a governor,it would amount to same performance metric you want to see.

The people funding Lagos budget are ordinary wage earners working in hotels, restaurants, gas stations, bakeries and etc. If their companies don't file PAYE the companies will be shut down. Tell me again what Lagos has that others don't have. Ports? You better wake up and stop deceiving yourself

Kaczynski:
this is a classic case of economic malpractice disguised as policy. The imf is essentially telling nigeria to double down on the same failed austerity measures that have crippled economies from greece to argentina. imposing fuel and telecom taxes on a population where 40% already live below the poverty line?

tinubu’s gubbmint should be investing in infrastructure not siphoning more money from the people who can least afford it. the imf's playbook is outdated neoliberal dogma that prioritizes debt servicing over human welfare. if nigeria follows this advice, it’ll just be another cautionary tale in the IMF’s long history of making crises worse.

So as all government tiers are paying salaries promptly and embarking on huge capital projects, it is a failure to you? As the naira is stable and forex is flowing in as a consequence, that is failure? Revenue has tripled is a failure?