drlateef:





Your point shows that southeast is not welcoming to other tribes. That’s the bitter truth we have been saying long before the election. And the sense of entitlement of the average southeaster is beyond belief.

There are people there who are making it. I met a Yoruba in Nsukka who has become Igbo and speaks only very bad Yoruba. So it is your own that you know and most Igbos saying no Yoruba in the East may have never stayed in the East up to one week at a time if at all

Iamzik:


Of course Igbos are not like any other tribe. That is why you are scattered all over the country and cannot achieve anything as a region besides chest beating and meaningless arrogance.

You people are not wise. Instead of using your resources to develop your region, you go on wild goose chase to other regions and want to claim you own everything there. I just laugh at your foolishness because other tribes are playing a long game that you are too blind to see

Yoruba are more in all Nigerian cities than Igbos. You can check with Quora and see the names of people on Quora in Kaduna or Abuja, Jos and etc. It is a random samplingm

pacesetting:
In the SE, you will count 1000 people before you see a single Yoruba person. And there is a 90% chance that that one is an Agbo seller.

Nobody gives Agbo sellers employment in government offices.

Agbo sellers are human beings too and many of them are married women and they are responsible people making a honest living but you can employ entrepreneurs, former civil servants, transporters, artisans like tailors of which many are Yoruba in the East. Oil workers, telecomms workers, bank workers, Pastors etc. There are more Yoruba by percentage in the East than Igbos in the West. Give them appointments. Almost all drivers in Onitsha or PH are Yorubas. So you have more than enough to choose from. I have friends who are in the East and they are graduates

paramakina202:


Give political appointments to who?
Somone staked millions the other day to be given to anyone who knows any estate build by non Igbo person in Igboland till today it does not exist.Nothing goes for nothing.Ndi Igbo are given appointments here and there because they live in large numbers in those places and have made economic impact to the host community.If Yoruba people can do 20% of what Igbos are doing SW they will be made at least deputy governor by now.

Which Igbo man of the same age bracket was more successful in business in PH than Captain Haastrup former chairman of Eagle Cement?. He was an Ijesa man from Osun state Is there any Igbo man like him in Western Nigeria ever?

Niklaus398:
Nigeria has invested in Lagos so u can't remove Lagos from it. If Nigeria was wiser in their early days should've spread development just like the SA people did.
In South Africa, govt branches and investments wasn't stationed in one city. But spread.. some govt branch like the judicary capital is in another city. The legislature is in another... That's how to spread development.
But nigeria instead of doing that, in those early days put everything in Lagos till it finally moved some of them to Abuja but the mistake had already been done. The other cities still remain underdeveloped.

Go to the east, try look for any fg Presence u will see none. Go to the west and north and see them plenty yet u guys blame the east?

You do not understand. If all state governments were like Lagos state government then Nigeria would at least be as good as South Africa. Do you now understand why Lagos should be removed?.

GUNITGuy:

Olukunmi are what then ...They are also the Yoruba Riverine area in Delta ....So what's the difference

You can be something while your ancestors were another thing. Obi of Onitsha, Oba of Ogba land and etc had ancestors that were Olukunmi Yoruba from Benin. What are they now?. Are they not Igbo?.

XAUBulls:

Let me step into the convo here.

Point of correction. Yorubas who number over 50 million worldwide and are indigenous to North Central and Western Nigeria, Benin Republic, Togo, and also naturalized citizens of Ghana and Cote d'Ivoire are some of the most widely traveled people in Nigeria and on earth.

Are you even aware that there are hundreds of thousands of Yorubas living in, and doing interstate and international business, and engaged in other professions in Northern Nigeria states, Rivers, Cross Rivers, Delta State, Cote d'Ivoire, Ghana, Gambia, South Africa, UK, Canada, USA, France, Germany, Netherlands, UAE, DRC, etc? Yorubas are some of the greatest international travelers on earth for business and leisure purposes with heavy investments. Because Yoruba folks (just like Edos for instance) don't unnessarily brag about their vast travel and business exploits but let actions speak louder than words doesn't mean they don't travel out of their regions! There is a famous market called Makola Market in Accra, Ghana which was founded by Yorubas many decades ago and it was named after Mokola Market in Ibadan.

Surely you are NOT well-informed for saying falsely on a major discussion forum like NL that Yoruba folks don't travel or prefer to stay in their region. Open your eyes wider and do not be so clannish or insular in thinking. Yorubas and Edos used to live in and/or travel a lot for business to the Eastern areas like Abakaliki, Aba, Onitsha, etc, but after the Civil War ended, they shifted to other nearby states like Rivers, Cross Rivers, etc, for safety reasons because of the loss of their investments after non-Ibos were expelled prior to the start of the Nigerian Civil War by the secessionists led by Col. Ojukwu in 1967. A Yoruba trader who wants to engage in trading can always move from Port Harcourt to nearby Aba and drive back home to PH with his or her purchases from Aba. Those living in Asaba can always drive into Onitsha and drive back to Asaba. There are many Yorubas who built houses and mansions in Port Harcourt because they feel much safer there. Period.

Lagos population is more than 20 million. Ogun and Oyo together is more than Lagos say 25 million. The rest of the SW will be around 15 million. NC and SS will be around 10 million. Total is at least 70 million in Nigeria. Togo Benin and Ghana will be close to 10 million. So West Africa is at least 80 million Yoruba apart from associated groups who qualify as Yoruba and they will surpass 20 million. Total 100 million in West Africa. Latinized Yoruba in the Americas will be triple that number and they are the real Yorubas practicing the culture but the majority don't speak the language as first language. All the non Yorubas on Yoruba land may be at most ten percent of the population and scattered Yoruba in Nigeria and West Africa are more than them in population. Your estimate of 50 million is very low. For Nigeria, it is those working in Yoruba cities that can be counted. Ditto for other nationalities in Nigeria. If everybody should return to their towns. Eighty percent of urban centers in Nigeria will be Yoruba.

Raf4:


You're deceiving yourself. Just like saying if you sell your family land/house and used the money to japa to go do caregivers' work. When after running like 3 shifts/day and you struggled to send some money back home. Even if the money, after converting it to Naira, is enough to buy a nice building in Lekki, it doesn't amount to capital flights.
Out of wages paid you, you must pay house rent, buy food, energy, transport, insurances and taxes. So, their system has already withheld about 80% of your wages to keep their economy running. So the remnants you send to your village doesn't qualify as capital flight. Same is applicable to your activities in Lagos.

The same is applicable to Yoruba scattered all over the country. Yoruba are in PH by a higher percentage than Igbos in Lagos and they are making money. It is the same thing only that Igbos draw unnecessary attention to themselves

All states have all occupations. They have civil servants, bakeries, petrol stations and etc. They have landlords, tenants, artisans and etc. Therefore all states are equal apart from population and organisation by government. Anambra is comparable to Osun by population but both states are specialized in different areas. Osun has more services and production than trading while Anambra has huge market. Which will now have more HNIs?. Judge for yourself.

Nahunger:


Edo, life no be by mouth, binin kingdom is a microcosm of respected stools in the smallest state in the north, you people brglaf too much.

What happened is that Benin would have been another Warri, Atakpame or Ugbodu and etc who are Yoruba speakers hemmed in by non Yoruba speakers if not that the Edo people that originally owned the land overwhelmed the city after the decline of the empire and turned it into an Edo city and that was late in the nineteenth century. The land belongs to them and the Ogisos they speak of lived a long time ago and the larger part of the ancestors of Igbos and Yorubas etc were still one with Edo ancestors as at then which will be well over five thousand years ago.

seunmsg:
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Oba of Bini himself is a Yoruba man. He’s a direct descendant of Oba Iweka, the son of Oranmiyan. Oranmiyan returned to Ile Ife and died there. Iweka his son who was the first Oba of Bini was buried in Ile Ife. All Obas of Bini after him were buried in Ile Ife till the practice stopped in the 19th century. So, what’s your point?

Btw, Bini never founded Lagos. They conquered an existing village on Lagos Island and imposed a king whose authority is limited to Lagos Island. So, how does that amount to Bini founding and owning Lagos?

Oba of Benin is not a Yoruba man. His ancestors were Olukunmi Yoruba unless you yourself are not what you are and Benin never conquered Lagos. There was no such war in history and the post was a small settlement which at the peak iwas less than five thousand people and that was after the Benin had left the place for centuries.

GlobeTrotter2:
?? Applying for a visa a a first time traveler with zero balance... You are most likely going to be rejected. 95% chance
Well then again thee is a slim 5%

If an illiterate cocoa merchant is traveling for the first time or using his account for a child. He can submit bank statement with negative balance

GlobeTrotter2:
sure of course the activity matters

It is not the activity matters. It is the activity that matters. A Zero balance or a negative balance will be okay

pacespot:
Even though I'm a Yorùbá, no true son of Yorùbá will deny Benin's existence in the founding of Lagos as we know it today.

That is the Eleko and not anywhere outside Isale Eko. They received a Benin prince or adopted Benin styled monarchy with chieftaincy titles and married a princess from Benin at a point and only the land owners can finalize on that but at least two chiefs are descended from Benin that was a Yoruba empire. The people that came to Lagos did not speak Edo. They were Olukunmi people. If Okukunmi in Delta are not speaking Edo why do you think there was an Oba of Lagos who spoke Edo? No they were Yoruba not different from Ijebu or Ijesa

If there are 100 million Yoruba in West Africa from Delta state to Ghana There must be over 200 million in the Americas as is true for the Portuguese and Spanish as well as Irish and etc. These people recognize the word Oba but Benin people say the Yoruba learnt it from them in the 20th century. Of the 8 million people in Edo, not more than two million will be Benin including strangers on their land.
They say Oduduwa is Ekalardehan and that he was a Benin man when the same man told his children he is a descendant of Nimrod. If someone is telling me my own father's name is not John Lawanson but an alien name I never heard before do you think I will be agreeable with the person?. Therefore put yourself in the same shoes you are putting others and you will know where it pinches. Nobody begged Benin people to accept two Yoruba men as Oba on their land without war. There was Oranmiyan and there is still another one mentioned in an Odu IFA story in Irete meji. Oduduwa is the Odu of IWA and it is in Ofun meji. Benevolence of perfection. It is the name of the first King according to Yoruba tradition. It is also a name of God So if you want to engage in a war of words then go and kit up

AbuTwins:


That's not true!

Your skills and the quality of your output will judge you!

If you learnt on your own it will not be Ethical to collect money from any client without being given the go ahead by a Master. I have learnt many things like that and I got published informally in several academic fields but without formal recognition by experts, you are still on one spot and in those fields I am on the same spot despite breaking new grounds. I hope you understand. If you learnt from somewhere and give credit to another then it is Oluwole certificate

AbuTwins:


This one way YouTube dey gidigba!

In any real trade you will need a certificate signed by a Master

In the long run, Lagos will be split and given back to the nations that own it Ijebu, Awori and etc

TrossardT:
There is an adage where I come from, it goes like this "if you give a lazy person cloth, you dye it for the person"

I want you to think about the adage as it applies to the situation and tell me your thought on it

It has two meanings
If you want to help, go the whole way.
It also means help the lazy person and not give him a white cloth which will get dirty often. Dye it for him so that he will wash it less often. Approximately the same meaning but still a bit different

Raf4:


You keep shouting capital flights when you don't even understand what it means.
FYI, capital flight is common among foreign portfolio investors. They brought in their capital, invested it, but quickly repatriate the invested capital to their home country or elsewhere from the revenues generated. eg by charging outrageous technical fee on revenues, payment of outrageous amounts for imported raw materials, spare parts, bogus expatriate salaries and allowances etc.
In your own cases, you people came to SW to hustle. You didn't bring any capital. So, if you send money to your village for their feedings, to build house etc that's normal thing, eating the fruit of your labour and not capital flights.

You are right. Capital flight is mainly experienced in the stock exchange but if companies shut down, it is also capital flight but sudden ones can only be via the stock exchange. The real flight can only be human capital flight and it affects all parts of Nigeria equally and not only the SE. The SE is not more homogenous than any other zone. Yorubas and etc are there in large numbers and they have industries they control. Therefore within Nigeria there is no human capital flight differential unless you can prove it. If you say what Igbos or Hausas monopolize in the west I will say what Yorubas monopolize in the North and the East. That is how it is

AbuTwins:


No be by force to learn that job na! I will look for someone else who understands or learn another skill.

Of course you will go and learn it in another place or pay for Oluwole certificate

plaindealer:



So, the SE collectively generated less revenue than Ogun state because Ogun state is not ok?

What's Ogun state not being OK got to do with the whole of SE combined generating less revenue than Ogun state.

Makes no sense.

Beats me why you people come up with all manner of irrelevant and pointless excuses to deflect and justify why the SE is at the bottom of everything.

Ogun is better than others but if Ogun is not doing half of Lagos they are still behind. Not commendable. Ogun is up to eighty percent of Ebonyi Anambra and Imo by population and it is more industrialized than the combination of the three. If Osun and Anambra are at par or Anambra is higher, why are you then picking on Anambra?. Ogun and Lagos are the only serious states in the West and in Ogun there are companies with five thousand workers all taxpayers at a single location. Nobody is doing what Lagos is doing which is force every company to file PAYE returns and even in Lagos the companies are not reporting up to twenty percent of their wages. They pay fifty thousand naira per month or less when it should have been five hundred thousand naira but they pay because if they don't pay they will be shut down and that is how Lagos is different

Niklaus398:
don't give me that shit of population.
If I bring India now, you will start crying about another thing.
India has more population than Nigeria and yet has better.

Abeg no dey talk that stuff

You don't seem to understand. I am not talking about gross population or gross revenue but when you share the revenue collected by government to each person or citizen how much is it? That is the question and Nigeria if you remove Lagos from it will be the least on Earth. So if your revenue per head is the least on Earth, how can you compare yourself with a nation that have the revenue to solve problems?

plaindealer:
At the end of the day, this is the sad reality in the SE.


Revenue is income and when your income is abysmal and nothing to write home about, you have less resources for progress and development and also social programs and activities.

The SE is sadly very poor and unproductive and this is why the region is unbearable and also why SE people run away from the SE for economic survival elsewhere.

Even sef, if capital flight is so relevant and important than what you contribute elsewhere, why is that capital flight not transforming your towns and villages?

Why are you still running away from your so called capital flight village to places like Ogun state for survival? Why not sit in your capital flight village and enjoy your imagination capital flight.

We are talking about a backward region where people danced and collect Aso Ebi to celebrate JB concrete sign in 2023.

Sad..

The SW is not different from the SE Only Lagos is different in the SW and other states in the SW are not different from the SE. If Ogun were okay, it would have more than half of Lagos revenue. There is therefore no reason to say it only affects the SE

AbuTwins:


I would have established that I don't do that!

I no dey kneel, bow or prostrate!

The Yoruba master will not understand your point and will not even agree to train you.

Niklaus398:
Nigeria has had more higher revenue than even Rwanda and yet they have less than all u mentioned than Rwanda.

Shey I have used aba as a case study for u.

Aba is the only city in Nigeria bar Lagos that has less than 2% unemployment rate and yet generate far far less than even tiny Ebonyi state. That is to make u understand what I'm saying.

Do you need to be told that the population also matter?. Revenue per Capita matters and Nigeria is probably the lowest in the world if Lagos is removed though I am not sure but you will need to be a war torn country to be lower

Niklaus398:
IGR simply means who was more efficient in collecting more taxes.
It has nothing to do with PER-CAPITA which I rate above all other things.
Infact, even Akwa ibom state self if they want they can collect more IGR than Rivers State if they are more efficient in that regards.

Stop doing shakara over Tax collection.
The west use Tax collection to raise shoulder and it is stupid and useless.

Use Per-Capita.
Use Health
Use education
Use employment etc not all that iGR nonsense.

To understand what I'm saying, Aba in Abia has less than 2% unemployment rate and yet they have the least IGR generation. That is to tell you what I'm talking about.

If you have high revenue, there will be better health because of higher revenue, better education for the same reason and at least ten percent of people looking for employment will be catered for by government

IamAtikulate:

You are seeing a chart that shows that trade is the largest component of our GDP and you are still arguing.

Una need help

You are an idiot and can't be helped. How many of your family members are traders? Stupid idiot

Benin empire also was a sister empire to other Yoruba empires using the same language and Edo language was among the many languages of the empire. No Edo speaking group ever entered Yoruba land before Nigeria. Any Benin outpost was a Yoruba town and this includes Onitsha, Ikwerre and etc and this should be well understood. You don't speak any other language in a Benin court apart from Yoruba. No Edo man anywhere in Yoruba land that was not a slave. No Igbo man too and there were no Yoruba men in any Nri enclave or community that was not an outcast Osu or slave. That is how to reconstruct history. The Yoruba in the Benin area were aristocrats and the average Benin did not leave their villages for anything in the past.

IamAtikulate:
IGR = Taxes

Anambra is a tax haven, in case you don't.

Again, SE leaders are more economically sound than their SW counterpart.

For instance, Alex Otti recently said that "Taxes are government share of the prosperity it creates."

Do you really understand what that means?

Have you wondered why SE Governors, especially Abia and Anambra keep lowering taxes?

You won't understand because you guys suck at economics.

Keep celebrating IGR which is not an economic indicator while your debts keep mounting.

You claim to generate the highest IGR in the country yet SW has the highest debt ratio.

It doesn't make sense.

If Anambra State government is tax-obsessed like Ogun and SW Governors, only Onitsha Main Market will generate the whole if whatever IGR Ogun gets.

You are making noise because of 120 billion.

FYI, 12 million daily transaction happens at Onitsha Main Market. The market annual transactions sits at around $3 billion, with 40% of this circulating as unbanked transaction.

You can verify these claims with a simple Google search.

If Anambra government taxes just 1% of these transaction, it'll generate $30 million annually, which is approximately 21 billion naira.

If government taxes 5%, it'll generate 105 billion from the market alone.

But Anambra has 48 markets.

So, trade and commerce in Anambra can generate more than Ogun IGR.

If you are underrating trade, then look at the evidence below.

Trade is the third largest component of Nigerian GDP, far ahead of manufacturing

You have to generate high revenue to be viable. Trade is not necessarily the biggest sector in a state. In Lagos ten percent of workers meaning income earners feeding families are working for the state government and if no revenue it would not have been possible. There is still banking, the OPS, that employ millions of the around five million workers in Lagos. So trading is a small component of any GDP. Production, services, transportation and etc are still there

The current dynasty of the place was founded by Benin when Benin was a Yoruba speaking city but the present King is paternally descended from an Ijesa man who was a Babalawo married to a princess descended from Benin. He was given the princess to marry because he wanted to leave and return to Ijesa but he was a resource person that they did not want to leave. He was not only given a princess but was also built a palace called Iga Alagba and his son Ologunkutere is the ancestor of the present line of Lagos Kings but the dynasty is descended from Benin. A Yoruba Benin and not the ones who say Yoruba was never spoken in Benin

AbuTwins:
How does not prostrating to elders make you disrespectful? I do try to explain to those I can. I don't greet like that and my kids don't greet like that!
And it's not westernisation! It's simply reserving those postures for the worship of the supreme being!

If you train under a Yoruba person who is much older than you then you will kneel down to collect your certificate