Shattuck:
I think the issue with his certificate is more than weather he is male or not, the certificate tinubu tendered to inec has the stamp of a CSU official who wasn't at the institution when Tinubu claimed to have graduated, atiku's case has always been" did CSU issue this certificate he submitted to inec or not" wheather he is male or not, honours student or not are not as important as confirming just one simple question, honestly I am surprised at this whole issue. People just need clarity.

Put yourself in the position of the CSU. Are you supposed to point out errors in a printed certificate to a court?. All you can do is say if the person graduated as claimed or not and they have done that. Which other thing can they do?. If they word another question, they will have to answer until it becomes ridiculous. To try someone for forgery or identity theft is not the jurisdiction of the CSU management and they can not overstep their boundaries by doing a job they are not being paid for as it can land them in trouble. VP Atiku knows what to.do.if he wants to close the case

emmanuelbrown26:

Very well. Having worked with them and managed some of the businesses they were involved in, I can categorically tell u that u are 100% right, they are not good managers at all.
They are so aggressive in doing business, they don't know how to negotiate business and tactics in business

Why then are the Yoruba the most successful business men and CEOs from Africa?. Including in Nigeria, Europe and North America?. Though population size is also a factor.

All relationships are means of survival but the best ones are symbiotic meaning mutually beneficial. However predator to prey relationship also exist meaning one partner sees the other as lunch.

Shattuck:
it is neither my nor your duty to speculate what normal people do, by my understanding of what the law should be weather he graduated from CSU or not is secondary at the moment, we just need clarity on the certificate he submitted to inec weather it is fake or not, the masses aren't the ones dragging the tinubu CSU issue, he is the one dragging it, why fight a process that would absolve you, why?

What he is pointing out is that the university will not do Atiku's work for him but a certain Bola Tinubu graduated from there with first class according to the certificate being brandished. Is he male?. They can not be sure since certificates do not carry gender identity. If he says he is male then why are you disbelieving him?. Is there any reason for that?

emmanuelbrown26:

In dis game, party and individual are two factors. An evil party with an evil and dangerous candidate bounds to fail and people also bounds to suffer while an evil party with a candidate that has conscience bounds to make a bit difference.
APC is an evil party with a very dangerous candidates both Buhari and Tinubu

People follow evil leaders atimes if that leader can not be challenged but a group of people who see themselves as equal are much less likely to do evil. This is why people with last prophets tend to be evil.

JASONjnr:
The same person whom we were told did miracles in Lagos compared to other governors of his time.

We were asked to go and visit Lagos and see the wonders he performed.


I told them, this man asked Buhari to print more currencies and employ 50 thousand youths into the Nigerian army and feed them with agbado and pay them nothing.


They said he graduated with first class in accounting. Now, he floated the naira and give it a free way access....


Food stuffs are now 500times expensive more than what ordinary Nigerians would afford.

Somebody with no basic common sense can succeed as a leader if he or she has good advisers. Why do you think floating the naira is wrong?. Don't you know it is criminal for the CBN to be selling dollars at 450 while it is 750 in the open market across the road?. Which other country is such happening and they even seize dollar that does not belong to them!. Even till now. So far you are not able to access your own dollars in cash and change anytime you want then the naira is not yet floated fully. It is not yet a free market but the value is still determined by the printing of money they do anyhow to replace taxation

This is an impossible statistics. Iran can not produce any discipline more than China, India, US etc even if all their kids offer only engineering with no lawyers, medical doctors, accountants and etc in their economy at all. It is not even possible if an engineering degree is the admission requirement for law, medicine, social studies and etc

Shattuck:
you are wrong on this, submitting a fake result is a criminal offense, it doesn't matter if you have the original or not. The law is not that sentimental the way you guys are. The legality of the document in official possession is what makes a case perjury or not, it has nothing to do with your back story, if I misplace my birth identity I can easily try and get another legal means of identification, but when I intentionally forge a birth certificate then I automatically committed a crime it would matter less if it was my real age or real birth details.

That is very correct but they might go ahead and dismiss such an argument as mere technicality!. Your point shows that forgery is also self evident apart from identity theft and despite this the case has been won by the defendant at the tribunal stage remaining the supreme court. Why would a panel of trained and well paid judges not be able to see in this light?. Many such things do happen in Nigeria. Why would Atiku too not go to Mobil America since all these days despite reading everything we post here? Mobil will say the Bola Tinubu that worked with them was a woman but Atiku's lawyers don't want to lose face. How are they better than the judges?

The real crime Tinubu committed for which he will go down is not identity theft or certificate forgery but the murder of Engineer Funsho Williams

raumdeuter:


The law states only a student can authorize his record to be released
If you did not pay his school fees you cannot ask for his school records beyond what he is willing to release
Under the Family Education Rights and privacy act

Did Tinubu graduate from CSU? CSU said Yes he graduated
So what other thing do need to prove

Actually Atiku's team is like the Israelites that took forty years to cross from Egypt to Palestine. The person who worked in Mobil was a woman who graduated from the CSU with a first class. So it should not have been a forgery case and it is not too late to approach Mobil to unmask Tinubu who is an identity thief

emmanuelbrown26:

If I look back and remember how Nigeria was and how Nigeria is and where Nigeria is heading to, u would believe with me that APC is an evil and cursed party with their supporters.
C'mon, barely 8years plus that things just turned upside down, no civil war, no unrest, no coup. Sometimes I begin to wonder if APC supporters are human or just fallen demons.
Back then, companies do beg people to come and do security or cleaning job, but right now people are now begging companies to do d job.
I was fuckingly ashamed of myself when an elder man came to look for work in our firm that he needs a job even if it's cleaning job. Mehnnnnn n,

But party is not the problem of Nigeria. If you as a person can articulate yourself you will connect with others and become the President. You get ahead only by solving problems by proffering solutions

Daystar7:


CSU should release our darling president first class in Accounting certificate. How's this hard and why's there pleading and talks of irreparable damage. Shouldn't he be proud of his own certificate or am I missing something. You should try get educated urself too so you can think for yourself. Peace

When people think they are smart, it means they are stupid

Exceed15:
Omo . Atiku dey blow hot o . Tinubu is in deep shit. Obviously the certificate was forged. Supreme court should do the needful.

The real Bola Tinubu was a woman who graduated with a first class in CSU now late. She is younger than the Nigerian President by up to ten years. This President is probably a US ex convict

Gajagojo:


You cannot outdo your brain
That is the scope of your understanding
Credit is not only from another person's money deposited in a bank
It is created by all kinds of entities not just government
Money is simply put a contract between two entities.

This is beyond your comprehension

You are operating at the textbook level of undergraduates

Very soon all Money will be digital

We are all learning here and we know only commercial banks give credit. Can you explain to us via your big brains where else credit can come from apart from money deposited in banks by another person?. Kindly do a short thesis

Boondocxs:

Another angle
It may be that when he requested for his cert many years later after he graduated
She signed it I get your point you’re making

Jagaban army may we never labour in vain

Labour may be in vain for the labourer but it will add up for the greater good one way or the other

Gajagojo:
price is determined by many things ultimately by what the market wants to pay
If your cost of production is too high or inefficient you will sell at a loss
Your theory is wrong what matters ultimately is the demand and supply all this stuff you are talking about is tangential. If the economy is growing printing banknotes will not automatically lead to inflation.
It is Sometimes even necessary to print banknotes to catch up with growth
However your concept of money is of limited understanding
Money can be created where enough banknotes do not exist by CREDIT if retailers offer credit or banks issue credit cards that increases the supply of money. Not all money is bank notes
Fintech companies like VISA and others that issue and process credits and other payments are effectively "printing money". In hundred years there probably won't be any printed money anyway. It is clear you have very limited understanding of what money is

Let me just point out the only thing you mentioned not addressed in my original submission. All monies exist only as bank notes and any credit you get from any bank was gotten from another person that deposited money in order to take interest. What banks do is merely a brokerage service which anybody can do. Take 100 million naira from somebody and give them eleven percent per annum, then hit the ground running to find ways to lend the same money out at an average of thirty five percent and from the difference you pay your workers, meet your expenses and pocket the remainder. That is commercial banking in one sentence. I have nothing more to add. Go back and reread my posts to understand the meaning of inflation and how the price of any product is determined in an ideal market that is not an opportunistic market. Good luck

Gajagojo:
There is no basis for this neither that

The value will drop at all
OR
that is will drop by
Twenty percent

Firstly there is no such thing as absolute value different things in the market have a price determined by the demand and supply of those
things which is not necessarily tied to money supply e.g after a bountiful harvest the price of yam can drop while the price of oranges increases at the same time

Price is determined by cost of production which is also affected by inflation but price can go up or down on its own without inflation since the primary determinant of price in an ideal market is cost of production. I have already pointed out that it won't increase by exactly twenty percent since population is increasing and the use of money is also increasing with it and causes deflation, some mornies are lost, buried underground, used for rituals, burnt and etc they will cause deflation so whatever volume Increase you printed as a central bank, inflation will be lower than it. Therefore all governments use inflation as back door taxation but it is more in countries that don't want to pay tax. They end up paying far more. BY FAR MORE. and the excess is spent anyhow by government. See Emefiele and Buhari. Emefiele was paying an unbudgeted 500 billion naira every month to one Alhaja as directed by Buhari. Inflation system or sleight of hand by inflation etc etc

headboyprince:
get away... is nigeria developed enough to produce many things on their own... from clothes, to shoes, to phones, to furniture, electrical appliances is imported, and you pay in hard core dollars for it... a small fridge of ordinary $100 there will be 100k here... $100 is nothing over there but here is more than many people's salary in nigeria.... yet things are cheap to you guys... you guys are celebrating extreme poverty and low standard of living. spits..

It is true but also not true. With one thousand dollars, you can live for a whole year as a single person in a Nigerian city and live well. Smart phone, good food, good accomodation, good clothes and recreation even have a girlfriend but as a single person. Is that an advantage or a disadvantage for any country?

Obaaderemi2:
This thread was opened yesterday, in the afternoon. This is another day and the thread is still standing. Why it has not been pulled down is baffling. A time is coming when nairaland's owner will have to answer for the embers of disunity and tribal chaos he fans on his site.

Useless bigots, both ibos and yorubas open tribal threads and they are left there to cause insults and rile up one another, especially those of us who are forced to take sides from time to time. It's pathetic.

The real solution actually is to ban anonymity on social.media

Babysho:


When you say inflation is the"rate" of printing new currency, do you mean rate as in cost or rate as in frequency?

If 100 naira is in circulation and you print 20 naira more the value will drop by twenty percent if the use of the currency remains constant but it never remains constant and money also drops out of circulation through other means, so the inflation will end up being lower than the percentage increase in volume of money. That is ALL there is to inflation apart from big grammar. If no inflation there will be no devaluation

njambert:
Wow no idea where this is coming from.But okay.

You replied for Nucypher and I mistook you for the individual but I have edited the response. Sorry about that.

Aimajoyce:
You confused him with NuCypher.

Thanks I have edited the reply.

BabaRamota1980:
If you ask non-Yorubas in Nigeria and in other regions of Africa to tell you 10 things they know or have learnt about Yoruba, you will get different responses. When you filter through the list a particular duo character will have highest hit. This character is HOSPITALITY AND SPIRITUALITY.
. Yorubas are very warm and welcoming, they adhere to principle of live and let live.



If you conduct similar survey and ask non-Hausas in Nigeria and elsewhere in Africa to tell 10 things they know or learnt about Hausa you will end up with various traits on the list. What will emerge is a defined trait of TRANSPARENCY AND RELIGIOUS CULTURE. Hausas are open, known to standby what they say, and they are intolerant of competition with Islam.


Let's conduct exact similar survey to ask non-Ibos in Nigeria and other regions of Africa to submit input and list 10 things they know or have learnt about Ibo. The submissions will include different traits, but when filtered for a single or duo-character trait, WHAT WILL THEIR CONCLUSION BE?


This is for non-Ibos in Nairaland to respond.
Take a guess and submit what you think people are saying about Ibo across Nigeria and Africa.

I will provide answer at a later date.

Thanks in advance for participating.

More or less all or many Yorubas have Igbo family members and they have no issues with those family members. Most Nigerian criminals in North America are Yorubas and they have syndicate. That more Igbos are being arrested for drugs in Asia does not mean Yorubas are not into crime. It is only different sectors and maybe Igbos frequent Asia more. Among Ijesa for instance, you will find all sorts of criminals as well as good people. There are many Igbos online insulting others and originating verbal assaults and it is only those that should be replied proportionally without lumping everybody together while the more important task of dividing Nigeria is focussed on. Civil war will not end until Nigeria is divided.

TheGoodJoe:


In all that is written here, there is no picture of how what the man is saying will make sense. Boosting production will require inflow of funds. It can't happen in a corrupt system.

He is only a journalist and sn anonymous one. Currency is only backed by durable things and not perishable commodities like cassava and presently no currency is actually backed as gold locked in bank vaults is meaningless. It has no effect on anything. Currency is backed by the people who have no choice but to accept it and by nothing else. Inflation is the rate of printing new currency and Nigeria does it a lot as a form of back door taxation.

emmanuelbrown26:

D more Yorubas keep supporting d man d more they keep proving me right that Yorubas are d dumbest tribe in Africa

If you describe a highly organized people of 100k population to me as a tribe in a final year thesis then you will not graduate that year. You claim to stay in Lagos though I doubt it as your name is probably fake but you spend all your time online abusing your hosts in Lagos. Why not relocate to the East if you have no training of relating with others even if you don't like them?. Don't spend your online life on this kind of thing. You can initiate academic arguments and people will contribute

TheGoodJoe:


You can't gain from such without massive investment. No matter the program you have, you need capital to get to the end users. In Nigeria, our political system makes a large chunk of our resources end at the tables of politicians. That is why nothing works. Not that there are no products to export and trade for revenue.

Nigeria do not produce enough cassava for local consumption not to talk of export. Export is negligible but Nigeria us the largest producer on Earth but it is staple food here and China wants it for piggery feed. Cassava can replace flour for bread and Indomie. It can be used for many things but the price will have to drop for China to be able to afford it for piggery feed. If we double production, it can still be consumed in Nigeria. It is however not a forex earner. Forex earners are remittances, oil, Nollywood, cocoa, and tens of others. Cassava is not been exported much. It does not account for significant forex but it is a major sector in the local economy

There is nothing like commodification of currency. The highest you can do is ask to be paid in your currency but it should not be government turf since tax is never in a foreign currency and government should depend on tax. If a Nigerian exporter is selling to a Brazilian they will ask for dollars unless the Brazilian can raise another currency useful for the Nigerian exporter. Any currency only have value because of the people forced to collect it not for any other reason. If the people emigrate the value of the currency will drop

Stephench:


There's absolutely no basis of measurement but if we're to be rational, life is 20x cheaper in western Europe than it is in Nigeria. Average basic salary here is €1000 and 3 bedroom apartment is average of €500 to €1000 depending on the city. Single room studio is 300-500 depends on the city. Average monthly bills for power and water is €150 water and €150 power for 3 bedroom with about 3 to 6 occupants and much less for studio apartments.

Using my Nigerian friends here as example, they live 6 in an apartment - 2 in each room. They're all earning average of 1000 a month. Note that this apartments are state of the art with all appliances and furniture. They pay about 170 on rent a month, 50 on bills a month. 40 Euros on bus card or they buy scooter then no need for transportation. Spend average of 200 on food at the end of the month, they have 500 left after expenses. and they send some money back home - I'm not talking on hearsay but what I experienced over the years.

Meanwhile, I just arrived Nigeria and I saw that basic salary is 30k and this 30k but most people in Abuja and Lagos that I've visited are working in places far away from their apartment which means this salary is not enough to transport them a month. How do they survive is what I don't understand. And going to the market to buy simple foodstuffs and beverages, I've realized that the prices are very similar to what's applicable in Europe despite the fact the salary is 20x higher - this is diabolic. I heard that the prices skyrocketed in Nigeria but it's the same in Europe - prices skyrocketed and it's still similar.

Life is difficult for minimum wage earners in Nigeria but not so in Europe is the difference. If minimum wage is raised to bear high tax and enforced on all employers, then Nigeria will become like western Europe instantly and the leaders will also be responsible not because they love people but to secure government revenue. Presently a young man in Nigeria who can write a business plan is made for life if given ten thousand dollars but in western Europe, the figure needed will be in the region of 150k to 200k dollars and that is the problem. If you can save or you have 50k dollars it is better to relocate to Nigeria but for lower cadre work, western Europe is better but I am talking about people who can run business

Stephench:

Who is talking about buying in the restaurant? Foodstuffs, edibles for cooking at home.

The only foodstuffs more expensive in the EU than Nigeria are Nigerian imported foodstuffs. I cook with mostly Nigerian foodstuffs and I use mostly Nigerian beverages that's why I always spend higher than the average Nigerian here - otherwise things are really cheap.

Cost of living in western Europe is more than fifteen times more expensive than that of Nigeria. Raw food is not the measure. Rent and services are.

emmanuelbrown26:

Are u spitting on him or are u seeking for solution?
I said it d other time that Tinubu needs to swallow his pride and call business gurus to teach him how to move d economy forward, but his arrogance won't allow him

If he swallows his pride, I URGE you not to support him. If you do, he can still later send assassins after you.

planetx:
How can food be cheaper in the EU than Nigeria, what kind of food are you talking about. Is it restaurant food or raw food, with 2 or 3 euros you can eat a good meal in a restaurant in Nigeria where in the EU can you eat a 2 or 3 euro food in a restaurant.

Rent and services which makes up the majority of any economy is more than ten times more expensive in high income countries but raw food and manufactured goods cost essentially the same but only because of subsidy to farmers in high income countries Is raw food the same cost otherwise imported food can dominate their market and our own food may be more expensive as well because of their demand. Their demand is why crude oil is expensive. If our cost of living were the same then crude oil will crash to like seven dollar per barrel and petrol will become like sixty naira per liter in Nigeria but that can not happen until Enoch Adeboye is killed for the seven people he has killed including one of my friends John Audu of Eke Avrugo Kogi state who refused his mouth watering offer to him to assassinate me for seeking change in Nigeria

How can any west African country with low GDP per Capita have a higher cost of living than Nigeria? All countries with lower GDP per Capita than Nigeria are cheaper to live in than Nigeria especially if average age is the same. It includes more or less all west African countries. Ethiopia, Haiti, North Korea, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan Zimbabwe and many others but Nigeria is harder to live in because of power blackouts and more inflation. West African cities without Nigeria is closer to South America or Eastern Europe if not because of population explosion resulting in high dependency ratio and hence low per Capita income. No country with 3000 dollars per Capita income is poor