Irony1:


Simple question you cannot answer you keep shouting igbo greediness. If you ate making excuses for Jakande's no man's land statement then it is no different from what Jaja Wachuku said.

It does not matter who made the statement first actually. The Yoruba equivalent of that statement is Gbogbo WA la leko and NCNC Lagosians will respond Gedegbe leko wa. However the right thing to do is to return the lands to the traditional states Awori Ijebu and Egun and name them appropriately. If civilians were the ones that created states, it would have been done decades ago

LeonSaab:
bla....bla....when they gave birth to you they told your mother to go decide where she wants to stand first abi.....🤣🤣🤣........even when Nigerians give birth abroad and want to bring the child to Nigeria they tell you to go process the child's American papers and Birth certificate before they can issue you a passport.....so it's not a case of you want to kidnap someone's child.....most countries by birth certificate confers citizenship though you will need to process your passport and without it Goodluck getting out the country unless you're prepared to wait years.....

In a new country say Biafra many Yorubas and other Nigerians in their millions who work there, are married there and etc will want certain advantages or privileges available only to citizens and it will be granted only to those deserving. That is how it should be in all countries especially in new countries.

LeonSaab:
you just keep digging yourself deeper....if you give birth to a child in Nigeria will the child be considered a foreign citizen? Will the child wait till aregbesola or the population commission start conferring citizens on foreigners before its considered Nigerian.....I can see your ignorance is starting to unravel and you're seeking to better yourself continue researching I'm here for you.....

Birth alone can not confer citizenship unless the person has no other place to go which means they have no other umbrella to stand under and are obliged to work with where they find themselves. A nation is an individual with a unique destiny and only those aligned with that destiny are the real citizens but of course anybody can be sworn in.

LeonSaab:
all you're doing is estimating with no source.......

Yes estimate is okay. Yoruba are ninety percent of LASG whose spouses are also working.
They are maybe 40 percent of Federal civil service if not more.
Traders will be like seventy percent if all traders are added together.
Artisans will be close to ninety percent
Private schools maybe seventy percent
Almost all petrol stations
More than eighty percent of bakeries
Majority of pure water factories
At least half of people in the transport sector
Hoteliers will be close to eighty percent.
Etc etc etc

43Ronin:
the problem with many yoruba youths today is poverty mentality. Its poverty mentality that will make a hoard of youths say igbos don't sell land to outsiders. many yorubas are in leadership positions in SE civil service, but in yorubaland especially in lagos, tell me how many non-indegene principals we have in lagos state schools, none.

Yorubas who don't go to East are the ones saying what they don't know aided by Igbos who claim land in the East is more expensive than Ikoyi Lagos land. Most Igbos who say no Yoruba in the East are Lagos people or even people staying abroad. When there are no borders against migration there will be a thousand and one reasons why anybody can end up anywhere apart from the fact that the trades they specialize in are needed everywhere

LeonSaab:
I can understand that the census has been geared to favour them.....that's the perception we've all had....but even with its bloated figure their population is nothing to be sneezed at.....even if we go with your population size of 45 Million do you mean to tell me 3Million or more of that cannot be in Lagos.....to give you a full understanding of who I am I used to work in a flour company in Apapa as a treasurer for close to 30 years I interacted with these people day in day out cause they bought in bulk to ship northward I held some of them close and they held me close cause I handled their money in the company account, trust me when I tell you that they have the second highest population in Lagos.....if Lagos was not Yoruba Land they would probably be number 1........

Zone by zone. It will be
SW
NC
SS/SE/NW
NE

That will be the distribution of population in Lagos in descending order

LeonSaab:
source....just a link....or photograph of a newspage....

Just an estimate but the LASG figure is correct give or take a few thousands. The federal civil service figure is a fair estimate too

Irony1:


Chai you people are born liars. So there were no igbos supporting APC? Or they were no Yorubas supporting LP? You people should admit that you have messed up with this bigotry, it doesn't remove anything from you, have shame for once.

There was rigging in every state but some say if not for rigging in Lagos, Igbos would decide the governor. No thread on any other state in the country where some people are saying the owners are not the owner. Not even Abuja. If Yoruba are dragging PH Jos, Kaduna or Onitsha like that, the owners will not like it. There is no need for such and Igbos in Lagos are not more by percentage than Yoruba in PH, Kaduna or Jos by investment, population or property. To mix everything up is not desirable at all, it would be a mess. Igbos have enough land to have more than half of Britain on their land since the population is there. Then focus on that and cooperate with others in other places. Any Igbo outside Igbo land is on his or her own ditto for Yoruba, Hausa and etc. There is population in Igbo land and if you open any business there you will sell. If you migrate out of the plaçe then Yoruba, Hausa, Chinese and etc will replace you and they will prosper. What then is the rationale behind going to another person's land in the 21st century to cause any kind of discussion or debate about ownership?. Even some middle eastern countries with majority foreigners still maintain their identity.

LeonSaab:
you have been to Lagos.....I was born and Live in Lagos.....Lagos transformed in front of My eyes from the Military Era of Gowon down to the Governorship of Sanwo Olu......and I'm telling you the Hausa Population alone in Lagos is Closer if not more than 20% infact they make up the heavy set of cheap labour in the state, they come cause they know they can always get daily Job compared to any other state....over the years they have settled and formed communities of their own.....and you dragging a stat from before the civil war doesn't help your case.....igbo population in Lagos is 15% or less in Lagos.....even Joe igbokwe that was saying that igbos make up half of Lagos knows he was just running his mouth.....

Lagos is 20 million residents with say 5 million workers

LASG 500,000
FG - 100,000
Transport sector- 200,000
Organized Private sector 3,500,000
Trading 500,000
Artisans- 200,000

Total 5,000,000

Dependants 15,000,000

Irony1:


Can you stop all this goal shifting and subtle gaslighting. The person who started calling Lagos a No Man's land was Lateef Jakande a Yoruba man. And again what do you mean by Political interest, so are you saying all Yorubas must vote APC in Lagos? Come I really don't get you guys, so it is a crime for igbos to vote for whom they want to vote. Who told you that All Yorubas in Lagos want to vote APC that you can say it is their political interest? Madam you are too big for this display of foolishness. Just hide your faces in shame at the level of bigotry you guys are showing. Igbos don't care who you are in the east

It would be wrong for all Yorubas in Anambra to gang up in one party against Igbos. That would be war by other means. Yorubas in Anambra are serving Igbo people

Eriokanmi:
Abolition of state of origin isn't the issue here. It won't even work in a country like ours cos of our makeup as a people. But if we can nip tribalism in the bud, just as our forefathers had done, and had a progressive nation, we'd be fine. The present generation of politicians have destroyed a lot of things by toeing that path. No tribe is exempted, cos of their selfish interests.

It got so bad that, despite seeing the obvious, once they see you supporting a candidate other than someone from your tribe, they say you're from that tribe . They could go as far as destroying your property or threatening your life. What an act of desperation. I've seen siblings who belonged to different political parties in the past and no issues.

This thing you people are calling tribalism is nationalism. You have to love yourself before loving other people. Any other way is invalid. Ijesa on its own is a nation. It is as populated as some European nations. Why should that identity be abolished?. Is there a benefit in mixing everything without boundaries?. Even between husband and wife there must be boundary

Usenokpevbo:
There is no where that has been from 1921 the population of the Igbos has always been more than that of the Yorubas, the Yoruba only seem to have more people in the Uk, USA,Canada. In Europe, the Igbo and Edos collectively knock them out. Yoruba can’t be more than 40 million in Nigeria. Don’t let the population of Lagos deceive you. Yorubas don’t make up to 40% of the population of Lagos state.

Yoruba will be around eighty percent of the population of Lagos state. Other Yoruba cities have been depleted into Lagos over decades. Ibadan was more than three times of Lagos. Abeokuta, Ogbomoso, Ilesa, Ilorin were all much bigger than Lagos

The Yoruba population in Nigeria will be around seventy million excluding some Afemmai, Nupe, Ebira and others who speak Yoruba as a second language and have been doing so for centuries abd excluding Itsekiri and Aniocha North. Igbo is a maximum of 35 million in SE and SS. Therefore the rate of travelling of both groups are the same in most countries but wrong population figures in Nigeria is the cause of the confusion. Any city on Earth where population census is not or can not be rigged will see the population of Nigerian Yoruba to be around double of the Igbo population

Is supporting his own parents his responsibility?

You should not marry anyone that can not add value to you. If poverty is your only problem then you can't marry a poor person

Thebadpolitican:


This man, you still never comot from Nl,

Yoruba defender

Anyway everything you said is baseless

What of it we turn the table around and say the the yorubas were originally edos that due to the infusion of many tribes into the yoruba population their edoness diluted

How you see your logic

Use your common sense. Those identities did not exist five thousand years ago. No such words to describe nations of people existed back then and the language spoken by people back then would not be intelligible to anyone today. Edoid might be the purest in my opinion but Edoid people adjacent to each other today don't understand themselves. Do you now get it?

Thebadpolitican:


Do you know benin have a strong cultural presence in ekiti and ondo, benin conquered those areas you're half baked in history don't call yourself names you're not entitled to

Ask why ayelala is only found in edo and ondo

As for the olokun it is there in my screenshot it says the worshipers of other orishas in the town of the ondo they are in would come to their house to join his parents who are Benins to watch in amazement the process of olokun worship

This link would also explain the presence of Benins in ondo

This is the link to my screenshot if you insist on reading it whole... You should!
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://edofolks.com/html/pub70.htm&ved=2ahUKEwiV3-eO4PDpAhU6AmMBHaZeCvAQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw2O2tdvNLC9WstfBOJD11C3&cshid=1591573439261

Benins and yorubas are almost very different

The way edo state is close to a yoruba state is just thesame way kogi state is also close to a yoruba neighboring state, but yet
Yoruba in kogi state still retain their yoruba Ness so why is that of the Benins different if we were truly yorubas proximity can have a little effect but no a whole effect on a tribe that is entirely different from another tribe

Benin are Edoid people while Yoruba are Yoruboid. I think Edoid is the most concentrated component of the YEAI language group while Yoruba has substantial infusion of Nupe, Hausa, Kemitic Egyptian, Bariba, Fon and etc. If you remove all those from Yoruba language, then ninety percent of what will be left will be Edoid and Igboid words. The old Benin city was Yoruboid like Warri but it is now Edoid. The Edo were in the suburbs of Benin city but the old Benin city of over 50k people was no different from Warri in the past. The woman is wrong to say her ancestors were not Yoruba. My own maternal grandmother's family in Ipetu Ijesa the Alawiye family are from Benin but it was the Benin that was like Warri and if they spoke Edo at all it would be as a second language. The oriki of Alawiye family is omo onile ni Ado. People who are landlords in Benin (Ado).

If we say who are the people today that are representative of the old Benin empire. They are the Itsekiri, Olukumi in Anioma, parts of Ekiti, parts of Ondo, Afemmai and etc. All these people are still speaking the lingua franca of the Benin empire. The biggest cities in the Benin empire were Benin, Akure and Warri (I were) other places were smaller. All the places spoke Yoruba and the smaller places in Igbo areas and etc had original settlers who were Yoruba but their language later changed as a result of new people and intermarriages as well as trade. Eko Akete or Lagos island could not have been more than a thousand settlers maximum at the beginning and they were Olukumi Yoruba not different from Itsekiri or Ugbodu people. The majority of present Eko Akete are however Awori and Awori are distinct from Olukumi though they are still thesame Yoruba or Ife people.

Winneepye:
Yoruba own Benin therefore every thing Benin own belong to Yoruba 😂😂

Why not say Yoruba own Ikwerre, Onitsha, Ogba land and even some Ijaw in as faraway as Rivers state?. Nobody own anybody and Yoruba have many sub nations that were independent in the past

ariesbull:


I know one person like you in Honolulu....blablabla

I am not against your belligerency though because you need to work the money wey you don collect

ariesbull:


Blablabla

Show us land you got via conquest

You are not an intelligent person nor are you ready to learn. I know one lady like you in Wisconsin US

Niklaus398:

In India they pay more and you don't see them shouting do you? Yet there are still doing much more.
There is a little indian city that pays more than 5 million people salaries and yet still doing their duties and the city is actually better than Lagos.
Rwanda is everything Lagos will Dream of being... Forget money.

You pay more people but you forgot you get tax from that more people meaning much money. Kigali doesn't have that

There is no little city in India paying salaries to five million people because it will mean at least fifty million people are working in the city because non government workers will be there too and they will be ninety percent. If fifty million people are workers then at least 150 million people are residents. Which Indian city has 150 million residents?. The largest city in Earth is Tokyo at 20 million people

ariesbull:


What you did was defending your territory..show us one you gained via conquest

Only sadists or clowns engage in such self glorification. However no territory gained through war ever lasted. Do you know of any?. There is none at all. Not in the past and there will be none in the future. All identities on Yoruba land and all over the Earth presently are results of understanding. All new identities that will emerge will be thesame way. Wars are not permanent solution to anything. It just postpones the evil day

ariesbull:

Documented where ..what I read what that Dahomey female warriors defeated the Oyo people! I mean all female warrior and took them as slaves ....King Ghezo defeats Oyo in war and ends tributary status of Dahomey.


Then another one was when oyo was finally destroyed and Olueru, the Alaafin was killed by the forces of Abdulsalam,the first Fulani emir of ilorin


Abeg which war did you people win with external tribes or non Yoruba that you conquered and took their land. Or is it Una usual propaganda

Or is it Benin Empire establishing their war kingdom in present day Lagos island naming it Eko

That is how wars are fought. When the Benin tried to invade Ijesa they were stopped at Ikeji ile Ijesa because the oracle said camp where you encounter Eji or dews and the Ijesa repelled the Benin invaders who nevertheless successfully took Akure. Otherwise the whole of Ijesa would have become Benin territory at the time. It was during the reign of Owa Obokun Atakunmosa When Ijesa had another war they went to Benin to beg for assistance. It was during Owa Obokun Gbegbaaje"s reign. When Oranmiyan wanted to go and revenge for Oduduwa where he was driven out from, the Bariba massed across the River Niger and offered battle. He settled there and formed the first Oyo allying with the Nupe by marrying the Etsu's daughter. When the Nupe sacked the Oyo capital. It was another Alaafin born by a Bariba mother who allied with the Bariba and drove the Nupe out of Oyo after eighty years. When the Americans won their independence from Britain, it was with the aid of France or else it might not have been possible and the US may be part of the British Commonwealth today The Nazis of Germany only attacked Russia when sure Italy is guarding the rear and that France is no longer a threat. Do you know how many white men died fighting for Biafra? And none for Nigeria? Do you know that major powers provided military equipment, backing and etc for both Biafra and Nigeria? Therefore wars are fought like that. Don't rush into war nor must you run away from war because all the help you need will always come. All you need to tend to is your intention. Your aim should be noble and God will take care of the rest.

pacesetting:
That's because Igbos are not tribalist. They believe they are part and parcel of any environment they find themselves.

Speaking about region, I ask again, have you ever been to the SE? If you have, you won't be talking about development, because no state in the SW is as developed as anybody of the SE states, apart from of cause the glorified Lagos.

Everytime Igbos this Igbos that. If someone asks you what they have done, you won't even have a single answer. Na only envy dey disturb some of una.

What is there to envy in other people when everybody have their property proportional to their population?. Each group have some advantage. God did not create anybody without advantages. All you need to do is capitalize on yours. There is no reason for Yoruba to envy Hausa, Ijaw, Edo, Tiv or Igbo and vice versa. If you take any random nation of people say Tiv, Idoma or Igala you will find out that Yoruba, Hausa or Igbo are not better than them in any way. If by number of successful business men, politicians, innovators etc. The only way you can beat them is with population. So there is no reason to be saying people are envying Igbo or Igbo are envying others. Can you list why Hausa should envy Igbo or vice versa?. Both have their territories and success stories

Niklaus398:
all you keep emphasizing on is money. Lagos has nothing than that to show for all the billions. Rwanda doesn't even have a fraction of that money yet Kigali is everything Lagos will Dream of being

So to have 500,000 people collecting salaries is nothing? Even if that is the only thing?

Any union between Ijesa and Ibadan despite both being Yoruba can only be by understanding. If not it will not last and there will certainly be blood flow at some point even nowadays. If you go to another land who don't even speak your language and say iit's your land, it can surely result in problems for you anywhere in the world. There were different Benin posts in the past and those Benin were Yoruba but if you can't go to Akure to claim the place or Onitsha, Ussele Ukwu etc why Lagos?. Ogedengbe of Ijesa collected tribute on behalf of Ibadan in Benin, Akure also did. Are they claiming the place now?. So don't claim other people's land in this modern age to avoid trouble. If you don't want something done to you don't do to others. There is no Edo place name in Lagos because everything official in the Benin empire was Yoruba as the dominant group in the empire and also in the capital back then. Even town names not far from Benin are Yoruba names but are now Edoid towns. Oghotoun is the same as in Ekiti. Agenebode is Ago onibode. If they did that nearby to Benin how much more in Lagos?

Niklaus398:
and yet Lagos ain't even half as good as south Africa. The only thing they. Boast of is IGR bit it is still a dirty pigsty
Even Abuja though doesn't have the IGR of Lagos is still cleaner and look like a proper city.
Lagos is a pig sty.
See I'm from Akwa ibom state and everyday I'll pray my state should never be like Lagos. If my state ever be like Lagos then the govt of my state has failed.

Let my state be like Rwanda, boswana etc.

No state should pray to be like Lagos. A dirty pigsty

In Africa, very few governments are as powerful as the Lagos government. If you are Lagos governor you are at par with the Nigerian President going by the number of workers you lead. Lagos has 500,000 people on the payroll and increasing while Abuja has around 720,000. Lagos salary is more or less the highest in the country and at least at par with the richest oil states if not higher than some So Lagos is doing something if only workers' salary but they also have huge projects. No state has the equivalent of LAGBUS or LASTMA. If you are the head of any of them, it is the position of a big CEO. LAGBUS is probably the mist viable transport company in Nigeria. Don't doubt that there is a benefit in organizing your state via taxation. It has huge benefits

XAUBulls:

Let me come into your convo here.

Point of correction:
You have to be very careful about falsifying or and pushing out wrong information to others on a public forum such as NL.

EKO is the shortened form of the Ijebu name EREKO which means farm [Eko Island or Lagos Island was used as a pepper FARM and settlement by Aromire who was one of the children of Olofin of Awori-Yoruba roots whose entourage came to occupy several areas in todays Lagos State from Ile Ife over 700 years ago]. Nobody on Lagos Island knows Eko as a Bini word. So many ignorant people have been getting their incorrect knowledge from Wikipedia. The Ijebus [who are indigenous to Lagos State [Epe LGA, Ikorodu LGA, Ibeju-Lekki LGA, Ajah] and Ogun State] have been an integral part of trading activities for centuries on Eko Island [aka Lagos Island], with the Aworis who are the indigenes and owners of Lagos Island. The Oba lineage on Lagos Island was only given a small part of Lagos Island by Aromire to build the palace or Iga where the current palace is located now. The famous aristocratic IDEJOS [or WHITE CAP CHIEFS] are the REAL owners of Lagos Island lands and beyond into places like Iruland [The original Yoruba name of Victoria Island] because they are the descendants of Olofin who partitioned or shared all the vast lands of Lagos they occupied among all his many children before he passed on. So it is clearly someone who doesn't know the history of the Awori-Yorubas and feeds of VANDALIZED INFORMATION on Wikipedia and other non-credible blogs set up by children who were born in the late 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, etc, that would wrongly say otherwise.

Second, the Idu prefix is of Bini origin but the prefix is of Awori-Yoruba origin. Therefore Idumagbo and Idumota are a fusion of Bini and Yoruba origin. There are many example of words worldwide that are fusions of 2 or more languages. "Idu" just smply means WAY or ROAD. It is just the same way you have some compounds in Asaba bearing the prefix OGBE showing the Bini origins of those compounds [Asaba has Igala roots, and indeed Igalas and Nri migrants also populated Asaba and had their own quarters].

Oba is a Yoruba word and even before the rise of the 3rd Dynasty or the Oduduwa Dynasty in Ife, other ruling dynasties existed there. Obatala was alive before the start of a new dynasty by Oduduwa [Odu du iwa] "Odu + Iwa" [It means "the knowledge of mysteries and it's application to human behavior"]. Odu [knowledge of mysteries] + Iwa [Behavior].

In any event, the Bini royal family incorporated several Yoruba loan words from Ife [which Binis call Uhe] into the royal court language... therefore, many of the words, Bini royal titles and deities have Ife/Yoruba origins. The current Oba of the Bini people himself acknowledged in his coronation day speech in 2016 right in the full presence of the current Ooni of Ife that Oranmiyan his ancestor came from Ife and became the FIRST Oba of Benin, but he didn't stay long, but had a son [Eweka] who went on to become the second Oba from the current Oranmiyan Dynasty.

Even the Ogiamhen family have clearly stated severally that the current Oba of Benin has Yoruba origins via the Oranmiyan Dynasty.
So, there is NO argument that Yorubas and Bini-Edos share historical links and there were large Yoruba trading communities in Edolands and Bini-Edo trading communities in Yorubaland as well centuries back!





BELOW IS AN ADDRESS BY HIS ROYAL HIGHNESS, CROWN PRINCE, (AMBASSADOR) EHENEDEN EREDIAUWA, EDAIKEN N’ USELU ON THE OCCASION OF HIS CORONATION AS THE OBA OF BENIN AT URHOKPOTA, BENIN CITY, ON THE 20TH OCTOBER, 2016.

12. Historians all agree that Oduduwa sent his son Oronmiyan at the request of elders of Benin to return with them as ruler of their realm. Oronmiyan’s stay in Benin may have been short, but before he left, a child was born to him, who was later crowned Oba (King) and is known today as Eweka I. Oronmiyan’s time in Benin, however short lived, he was an Oba; and so, he was the first Oba after the Ogiso dynasty came to an end. He established Obaship in Benin. By implication, the listing of past Obas should therefore begin from Oronmiyan as it is listed in Egharevba’s book – Short History of Benin, making my revered father 39th Oba that reigned in Benin – if the listing is counted from and, should be counted from Oronmiyan.

Source: https://www.nairaland.com/3436267/oba-benin-coronation-speech

You people keep avoiding the main issue which is what was the identity of the Benin empire and the former identity of the capital city?. Is it Edo language or the language of the majority of the empire which was the Olukumi dialect of Yoruba. Why are you debating like primary school students?

BreconHills:


Please share the "all history books" titles you have.

There are two chieftaincy titles of Benin origin in the place though the current Benin now pronounce it wrongly but it is evidence of association with Benin in the early stages. The titles are Bajulaye and one other

Chief Asari Dokubo, statements should be as academic as possible. We have records in the Ifa corpus of wars that happened over five thousand years ago. If Benin attacked Lagos, it it will be recorded in the history of the Awori. The ODU that founded Eko Akete is Ogundakete. Ogunda Irete and the Benin did not fight with the Awori. The Benin empire had more than ten times more Yoruba than Edo and the Benin that came to Lagos were the same stock as Itsekiri Owo or Ugbodu people. They were not Edo and they communicated among themselves in Yoruba the lingua franca of the empire. They established a Benin style monarchy in Eko Akete or Isale Eko and nothing happened more than that. The people are Awori and will be part of an Awori state and they will recognize the most senior Awori monarch in the same way the Olubadan recognizes the Alaafin of Oyo. It is an Awori land and the people are Awori who will be in an Awori state. Awori have their land just as Benin have theirs and around one thousand or five hundred people from Benin could not have settled in that place without the go ahead of the Aworis. They would sweep them into the sea whether Yoruba or not

There is no need appointing a Lagosian as head of TV in Enugu and etc. Employ Yorubas in Enugu, Anambra etc educated and Igbonized speaking Igbo in the same positions Igbos have been occupying in the west for like twenty years and there will be an equal footing. I had a room mate in the university who spoke Yoruba with a heavy Ekiti accent and also fluent Igbo and Ikwerre having grown up in the East with his family still there. There are millions of such people.